Sour Mash Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 WHy is it the negative numpties that always seem to spout incorrect assumptions as fact. The reality is that we have 13,000 STH's and these dinners are for STH's, therefore Cortese meets almost 0.1% of theses fans each time, so if we have had 4 dinners so far (guess) he has already met 0.4% of the STH's. I also know from personal experience that researchers regularly use samples as little as 100 to represent whole markets or populations. You are only interested in facts that support your negative outlook so I fully expect you to try to argue with my numbers but I really couldn't give a flying f**k what you think. I just wish you would stop spoiling my enjoyment of what used to be a good forum. Stop crying your eyes out you utter dweeb. If you are incapable of understanding the difference between "fanbase" and "current season ticket holders" there is no hope for you. On the basis that there have been 4 dinners, with 11 people at each, that is 44 people out of an estimated fan base of 50k. Even if you drop it down to 30k, that's not a great pool of people to sample from as your ONLY means of establishing the opinions of supporters. But I'll you go back to bawling your eyes out so much you can't bother to actually read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 exactly. if he wanted to offer the fans something to "celebrate" he could have done. but he didn't. fact. So the free fans game against ex players was not a way to celebrate or thank the fans then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Until I get an invite, I think these dinners are a waste of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 We are dealing with information from a friend of a friend who attended. Quite why you expect a blow by blow account is a bit shortsighted on your part. The more the original poster is pointlessly ridiculed the less likely you are to get further information from him. This... I know more about last night then Saint Garret does but I really cant be assed to post it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 I do think these dinners are a waste of time. Would you change your mind if you attended one? No of course not, that would completely miss the point. The principle is still exactly the same. A proper forum, open to all would be far better. Different, not neccessarily better Different and better. I wouldn't have so much of a problem with these dinners if they were some how attached to a more open and transparent forum Communicating clearly, in a straight forward manner would be far better. What information are you missing? Anything worthwhile and relevant to match going fans. Given the opportunity, I would ask what has happened to the flag, when are we going to sort our ticketing system, are the arrangements and prices for travel to the Skates game fair and reasonable. Not big issues. Not trying to topple NC's regime. Just every day queries that surely these sort of inter-actions should help to address? What actual interesting/worthwhile information has this dinner given us? Maybe it's not just about us, the fans Of course it's not just about us the fans. But that's sort of my point, we just don't know what is covered and is fedback. Apologies for the rubbish quoting, I hope my responses make sense. Your responses make sense, I just don't agree with them. I guess you'd rip up your invite for dinner with Nicola? Wouldn't want to waste your time or take one for the forum and feedback every word that is uttered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 I think the answer to the question of 'why doesn't NC hold an open fans forum,' is rather self evident in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 I think the answer to the question of 'why doesn't NC hold an open fans forum,' is rather self evident in this thread. how about an online Q&A where questions can be submitted and responses published? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 I think the answer to the question of 'why doesn't NC hold an open fans forum,' is rather self evident in this thread. Yes, because football message boards are a completely accurate representation of real life, aren't they? The fans forums previously held were well organised and, once the vociferous troublemakers were identified and barred from attending, they were actually very productive. I don't know why so people try to claim otherwise just to defend the fact that they've been shelved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Your responses make sense, I just don't agree with them. I guess you'd rip up your invite for dinner with Nicola? Wouldn't want to waste your time or take one for the forum and feedback every word that is uttered. No I think I'd go. But one of my questions would be why aren't more open, transparent forms of dialogue with the club available. But that's part of the problem - if you get an invite to an all expenses dinner with a handful of others, it is very hard for the average person to be challenging to their host. Like I say, NC has been spot on so far in most areas, just find the attitude to things like communicating to fans and ticketing arrangements unnecessarily poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 maybe everyone should get a life, enjoy the football and if you have an issue which effects you, contact the club rather than constantly ramming your issue's down the throats of people who frankly couldn't care less? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 maybe everyone should get a life, enjoy the football and if you have an issue which effects you, contact the club rather than constantly ramming your issue's down the throats of people who frankly couldn't care less? ******** to that. I'd like to see a more of personal crusades please. And perhaps the return of the famous OPEN LETTERS TO THE CLUB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red And White Barmy Army Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 It is good that NC is listening to the fans as individuals in a sensible environment where things can be discussed properly. He also has the opportunity to communicate with the fans without the media getting hold of any evidence or direct quotes which can be twisted. If some of the main snippets filter through to the fans then that's good. I'm sure in an ideal world he would like to communicate with every single one of us without external influences of media etc but I'm sure he wouldn't be able to say half the things he seems to without sensationalist media trying to undermine him. This club feels extremely stable at the moment and it is by-enlarge down to his tight-grip. I do think he could still do the fans forums but you can see why he doesn't want to - it takes 1 muppet (media or fan) to start ranting on about something, and all of a sudden the media thinks that it is a view representative of larger sections of the fan base. Thus stability is lost. If he publically updated us every time a brick was laid on the training ground or a plan was drawn up for re-developing SMS then lots of people would jump on the bandwagon. And then something inevitably goes wrong or NC changes his mind about something (which he is perfectly entitled to do) which leads people to start thinking he is not in control of a situation. Equals more criticism and less stability. Who wins? As for the closed minded individuals who think these meals are a 'waste of time', I guess they might be a waste of time for you because you have to sit on a message board for days and get in an argument with everyone who disagrees with you. These are a good way to communicate straight to real fans in a controlled environment where matters can be discussed sensibly. If they don't interest you then so what? Some of the information does interest me and plenty of other supporters even if it isn't 100% reliable all of the time. And it clearly is of interest to NC because he has taken opinions on board and acted upon them. Take the catering for example. He is open minded enough to listen to a variety of opinions, which is probably why he is an extremely successful business man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintpaul120 Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 8h December 2010 Niccy said: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/9270086.stm (You'll need speakers and 25 minutes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Bob Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Son, if that is how you feel please look elsewhere. You've been on here long enough to realise what goes on. I know what's been going on more and more. The boring bickering between fans with nothing better to do than flex their verbal cyber muscles is what's slowly sufficating this forum. But, hey-ho, that's just the way it is. One day me might try the fresh approach of debating football matters with intelligent conversation rather than playground sniping. Then again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brussels Saint Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 It is good that NC is listening to the fans as individuals in a sensible environment where things can be discussed properly. He also has the opportunity to communicate with the fans without the media getting hold of any evidence or direct quotes which can be twisted. If some of the main snippets filter through to the fans then that's good. I'm sure in an ideal world he would like to communicate with every single one of us without external influences of media etc but I'm sure he wouldn't be able to say half the things he seems to without sensationalist media trying to undermine him. This club feels extremely stable at the moment and it is by-enlarge down to his tight-grip. I do think he could still do the fans forums but you can see why he doesn't want to - it takes 1 muppet (media or fan) to start ranting on about something, and all of a sudden the media thinks that it is a view representative of larger sections of the fan base. Thus stability is lost. If he publically updated us every time a brick was laid on the training ground or a plan was drawn up for re-developing SMS then lots of people would jump on the bandwagon. And then something inevitably goes wrong or NC changes his mind about something (which he is perfectly entitled to do) which leads people to start thinking he is not in control of a situation. Equals more criticism and less stability. Who wins? As for the closed minded individuals who think these meals are a 'waste of time', I guess they might be a waste of time for you because you have to sit on a message board for days and get in an argument with everyone who disagrees with you. These are a good way to communicate straight to real fans in a controlled environment where matters can be discussed sensibly. If they don't interest you then so what? Some of the information does interest me and plenty of other supporters even if it isn't 100% reliable all of the time. And it clearly is of interest to NC because he has taken opinions on board and acted upon them. Take the catering for example. He is open minded enough to listen to a variety of opinions, which is probably why he is an extremely successful business man. An excellent post and really sums up why an open forum would likely get less detailed answers. (Can you imagine listening to a 90min long NA style interview) I was going to suggest maybe a fans forum with attendance randomly selected from the STH would be a good compromise, but actually the power of your argument re. Media presence and NC needing to be more careful with what he says has swayed my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 An excellent post and really sums up why an open forum would likely get less detailed answers. (Can you imagine listening to a 90min long NA style interview) I was going to suggest maybe a fans forum with attendance randomly selected from the STH would be a good compromise, but actually the power of your argument re. Media presence and NC needing to be more careful with what he says has swayed my view. If he's saying anything particularly sensitive then that brings a slightly different issue into play, doesn't it? I can't imagine anything that's said at these dinners is something he'd be upset if it was shared, otherwise why would he invite a load of randoms and give them the inside scoop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Also, surely anything reported second or third hand from a private meeting like this is infinitely MORE likely to have words and contexts twisted than a live radio broadcast with a recording of the whole thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 I can see the value in the dinners. I think they are a good idea. I question their value when they are the only way that the club communicates with the fanbase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 It's probably better than having to speak to some self-professed 'representative' of the fans. I think the problem with those kind of things is they get carried away with their own self importance, and forget that at the end of the day, you don't have to attend matches. Most people don't even care about what Cortese does, they go to the matches each week and if we win they are happy and if we lose they are unhappy. Having regular dinners like this is a much better way of getting the views of the REAL fan, not the self-professed 'superfans' who bother to get involved with fan groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 It's probably better than having to speak to some self-professed 'representative' of the fans. I think the problem with those kind of things is they get carried away with their own self importance, and forget that at the end of the day, you don't have to attend matches. Most people don't even care about what Cortese does, they go to the matches each week and if we win they are happy and if we lose they are unhappy. Having regular dinners like this is a much better way of getting the views of the REAL fan, not the self-professed 'superfans' who bother to get involved with fan groups. You've never been to a fans forum if you think that's how it works. You didn't by any stretch have to be affiliated with a supporters' group in order to pose a question; another myth used to defend the scrapping of the forum. If fans forums are such a bad idea, why do so many other clubs take part in them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 It's probably better than having to speak to some self-professed 'representative' of the fans. I think the problem with those kind of things is they get carried away with their own self importance, and forget that at the end of the day, you don't have to attend matches. Most people don't even care about what Cortese does, they go to the matches each week and if we win they are happy and if we lose they are unhappy. Having regular dinners like this is a much better way of getting the views of the REAL fan, not the self-professed 'superfans' who bother to get involved with fan groups. That's not what anyone is suggesting should happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Not saying fans forums are a bad idea. I'm just saying only a certain type of fan will attend them, I'd probably go to one if I had a chance. But most wouldn't bother attending them, hence this random selection for an intimate dinner is probably more successful in hearing the views of the average fan who doesn't follow the backroom politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 You've never been to a fans forum if you think that's how it works. You didn't by any stretch have to be affiliated with a supporters' group in order to pose a question; another myth used to defend the scrapping of the forum. If fans forums are such a bad idea, why do so many other clubs take part in them? The majority of fans have happily gone their entire Saints supporting life without the need to attend a fans forum. It's just an opportunity for the vocal minority to have a little moan. They are nothing more than a token gesture. There are plenty of other ways to gauge supporter satisfaction which are plenty more representative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Not saying fans forums are a bad idea. I'm just saying only a certain type of fan will attend them, I'd probably go to one if I had a chance. But most wouldn't bother attending them, hence this random selection for an intimate dinner is probably more successful in hearing the views of the average fan who doesn't follow the backroom politics. The Radio Solent ones - that used to happen every year, usually the week before the season started with the chairman, manager and captain all present - used to attract all sorts to it, young and old. You had to apply in writing to the BBC for tickets in advance (tickets were free, just needed a stamped addressed envelope) and once the tickets were gone, that was it. Clearly you'd get some people who were quick off the blocks in getting tickets for them and their mates, but it would always be a mixed bag of attendees. Ultimately most didn't get to ask a question, but many weren't actually there to ask questions, merely to be there at all and perhaps to get an autograph or photo with the manager and/or team captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Not saying fans forums are a bad idea. I'm just saying only a certain type of fan will attend them, I'd probably go to one if I had a chance. But most wouldn't bother attending them, hence this random selection for an intimate dinner is probably more successful in hearing the views of the average fan who doesn't follow the backroom politics. That makes no sense. Whoever wanted to pose a question could previously turn up at a fans forum if they chose to do so and ask it. If they didn't want to ask a question themselves they could listen in on the radio to hear what was being said. So every "average fan" had an opportunity, if he/she wanted it, to ask a question. Now, less than 1% of fans get that opportuunity; and they're not even necessarily fans that would have chosen to go to a fans forum. How in any way is that better for the average fan? This is only open to season ticket holders. we have 15,000 season ticket holders amongst a database said to be around 80,000. So unless you own a season ticket you can't even hope to have access. I'd suggest you should try judging it not on what you would like, but on what has previously worked best for an entire fan base. The dinners are a very nice thing to have, but they are in no way an adequate replacement of the fans forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 The Radio Solent ones - that used to happen every year, usually the week before the season started with the chairman, manager and captain all present - used to attract all sorts to it, young and old. You had to apply in writing to the BBC for tickets in advance (tickets were free, just needed a stamped addressed envelope) and once the tickets were gone, that was it.Clearly you'd get some people who were quick off the blocks in getting tickets for them and their mates, but it would always be a mixed bag of attendees. Ultimately most didn't get to ask a question, but many weren't actually there to ask questions, merely to be there at all and perhaps to get an autograph or photo with the manager and/or team captain. with vetted questions and rehearsed answers in the mainmuch like a post/pre match conference/interview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 That makes no sense. Whoever wanted to pose a question could previously turn up at a fans forum if they chose to do so and ask it. If they didn't want to ask a question themselves they could listen in on the radio to hear what was being said. So every "average fan" had an opportunity, if he/she wanted it, to ask a question. Now, less than 1% of fans get that opportuunity; and they're not even necessarily fans that would have chosen to go to a fans forum. How in any way is that better for the average fan? This is only open to season ticket holders. we have 15,000 season ticket holders amongst a database said to be around 80,000. So unless you own a season ticket you can't even hope to have access. I'd suggest you should try judging it not on what you would like, but on what has previously worked best for an entire fan base. The dinners are a very nice thing to have, but they are in no way an adequate replacement of the fans forums. Most wouldn't be bothered to do that though! Whereas with this dinner idea, anyone would go. I'm not saying it's a replacement, just that you will getting a better rage of views than from the 'vocal minority'(i.e us forum lot) as someone said a second ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 The majority of fans have happily gone their entire Saints supporting life without the need to attend a fans forum. It's just an opportunity for the vocal minority to have a little moan. They are nothing more than a token gesture. There are plenty of other ways to gauge supporter satisfaction which are plenty more representative. Again, that's your opinion, for the people that went I'd suggest most found them valuable. I know I did. Of course most fans didn't go, but does the fact that they were broadcast on local radio not suggest that there was a significant local interest? As for your comment on plenty of other ways to gauge support reaction; what are they, and why are we not doing them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 I can see the value in the dinners. I think they are a good idea. I question their value when they are the only way that the club communicates with the fanbase. think they are a waste of time and money UNTIL i get an invite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Most wouldn't be bothered to do that though! Whereas with this dinner idea, anyone would go. I'm not saying it's a replacement, just that you will getting a better rage of views than from the 'vocal minority'(i.e us forum lot) as someone said a second ago. I simply don't agree that its a better range; you're getting opinions of ten people at a time, so a very closed groups. Forums invited many more opinions than that, and more importantly the results went out directly on local radio for all interested parties. Much more open, much more diverse, much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 That makes no sense. Whoever wanted to pose a question could previously turn up at a fans forum if they chose to do so and ask it. If they didn't want to ask a question themselves they could listen in on the radio to hear what was being said. So every "average fan" had an opportunity, if he/she wanted it, to ask a question. Its not about opportunity its about desire. We all have the opportunity to be a politician or double glazing salesman, most choose not to. A far greater range of people are likely to accept an invitation from the chairman to a private dinner at SMS than enter some ballot via Radio Solent for the chance to maybe get to stand in a hall and a further more remote chance of getting to ask a question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 with vetted questions and rehearsed answers in the mainmuch like a post/pre match conference/interview There weren't any vetted questions as far as I can remember, all questions came live from people sat in the audience. I remember asking one about whether a senior player being seen slumped in the doorway of Woolworths in town at 3am with a cigarette in one hand and a kebab in the other was deemed to be setting a good example to young fans... it got some "interesting" looks from the top table Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Its not about opportunity its about desire. We all have the opportunity to be a politician or double glazing salesman, most choose not to. A far greater range of people are likely to accept an invitation from the chairman to a private dinner at SMS than enter some ballot via Radio Solent for the opportunity to maybe get to stand in a hall with a minute chance of getting to ask a question. It's not a ballot and if you wanted to ask a question you can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Again, that's your opinion, for the people that went I'd suggest most found them valuable. I know I did. Of course most fans didn't go, but does the fact that they were broadcast on local radio not suggest that there was a significant local interest? As for your comment on plenty of other ways to gauge support reaction; what are they, and why are we not doing them? I've never even listened to a forum on the radio either. Again (and I have no evidence of this a side from my own experience) most saints fans aren't interested enough in the politics of the club to really bother. If people think that this forum is not representative of a fan base then a fans forum with a couple of hundred fans present is even less so. How can a club gauge the satisfaction of a fan base? I would suggest two ways: 1) take a gander at the league table 2) look at the number of people coming through the turnstile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 There weren't any vetted questions as far as I can remember, all questions came live from people sat in the audience. I remember asking one about whether a senior player being seen slumped in the doorway of Woolworths in town at 3am with a cigarette in one hand and a kebab in the other was deemed to be setting a good example to young fans... it got some "interesting" looks from the top table did they have you "removed" from the floor with an injection to the neck..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 It's not a ballot and if you wanted to ask a question you can do. Thanks for the semantics. The point is more people will opt to chat to Cortese in a group of 12 round a table with a glass of wine in their hand than take pot luck with hundreds of other peole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 I've never even listened to a forum on the radio either. Again (and I have no evidence of this a side from my own experience) most saints fans aren't interested enough in the politics of the club to really bother. If people think that this forum is not representative of a fan base then a fans forum with a couple of hundred fans present is even less so. How can a club gauge the satisfaction of a fan base? I would suggest two ways: 1) take a gander at the league table 2) look at the number of people coming through the turnstile So you don't agree with NC holding these dinners either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 did they have you "removed" from the floor with an injection to the neck..? Surprisingly not. It got a nervous laugh from whoever was up on the top table (strangely, it wasn't the captain this time - the captain was who I was actually referring to ) and the usual "well, we all like to enjoy ourselves every now and then but there's a time and a place, etc etc" response. I wasn't expecting anything more than that, it was more a case of making them aware of what had been seen, on numerous occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 I've never even listened to a forum on the radio either. Again (and I have no evidence of this a side from my own experience) most saints fans aren't interested enough in the politics of the club to really bother. If people think that this forum is not representative of a fan base then a fans forum with a couple of hundred fans present is even less so. How can a club gauge the satisfaction of a fan base? I would suggest two ways: 1) take a gander at the league table 2) look at the number of people coming through the turnstile So you're speking for others who want to go to a fans forum (which they previously could) when making your comments? Face it, a significant amount of people wanted to and did go to these events. A significant number listened on the radio. That they don't exist any more means that the avenue of dialogue between fans and club has shrunk. You may not care, and I'm not even asking you to, but it's not too difficult to see how it might impact on someone who previously did look out for them. and it's nothing like this message board, a fans forum is an opportunity to hear directly from the club's owners; an opportunity we now do not have. And yes, that's two ways which have always been used as an overall monitor of a club's success. As well as many other measures, including fans forums. I truly don't understand why people are so defensive about the fact they've been scrapped, and will put up such spurious arguments in defence of it. the fans forums were a good thing; even Rupert Lowe realised this, even if they were just a way of appeasing the fans (which is exactly what these fans dinners are to, but to a much lesser extent). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Thanks for the semantics. The point is more people will opt to chat to Cortese in a group of 12 round a table with a glass of wine in their hand than take pot luck with hundreds of other peole. Yes. But far more have the opportunity to ask questions and watch and listen to the responses themse;ves. They can of course choose not to if they're not really interested, but the opportunity would be there which it isn't currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Yes. But far more have the opportunity to ask questions and watch and listen to the responses themse;ves. They can of course choose not to if they're not really interested, but the opportunity would be there which it isn't currently. Exactly; it's not that difficult to comprehend, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 So you don't agree with NC holding these dinners either? I don't care if he does or doesn't to be honest. I think it's a nice gesture though in the way that ST holders are shown some appreciation and given a rare opportunity for a more intimate insight into how the club is being run. The feedback from those who went from what I've seen has been good and everyone seemed to enjoy themselves and the company of NC. What is there to disagree with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Thanks for the semantics. The point is more people will opt to chat to Cortese in a group of 12 round a table with a glass of wine in their hand than take pot luck with hundreds of other peole. But that is the point, why is it an either or scenario? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Mikey Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 There weren't any vetted questions as far as I can remember, all questions came live from people sat in the audience. I remember asking one about whether a senior player being seen slumped in the doorway of Woolworths in town at 3am with a cigarette in one hand and a kebab in the other was deemed to be setting a good example to young fans... it got some "interesting" looks from the top table To be honest, that is strange question to ask. How many 'young fans' do you know that are out at 3am? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Its not imo. People are saying the dinners have no value. I think they do, as does a forum. (reply to Hypo, I forgot to quote) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Its not imo. People are saying the dinners have no value. I think they do, as does a forum. (reply to Hypo, I forgot to quote) Well then I agree with you. My criticism is that now this is the only way that things get answered. The flag thing for example, why should it take someone to have to go to these and ask the question before everyone gets an answer that they are entitled to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 I think maybe folk are getting confused of the purpose of these dinners - they are NOT like a fan forum in which the purpose is to address questions from the fan base and thus communicate back to fans -I suggest that the purpose is for the CLUB and NC to get feedback FROM fans and understand better how the club is perceived at this present time. I suspect that as a result many are a bit miffed taht there are not 'full reports' of these meetings - which TBH is not necessarily needed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 I think these dinners are a good idea but not having a forum is a bad idea. I don't know why the usuals are wetting themselves again, no one is saying Cortese is doing a bad job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 I have it on good authority that Cortese only invites one "real" fan to these dinners and the rest are local actors. The actors will, upon payment, fawn for Cortese to present a positive image of the club to the one genuine fan (maybe it's two, he may have changed it since). Cortese doesn't have fans forums any more because the level of intellectuals present intimidates him, as does answering questions about moss on the stadium supports, price of beer and the cleanliness of the concourse. It's a disgrace. Bring back the good old days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 think they are a waste of time and money UNTIL i get an invite LOL - at least you admit it straight off - unlike some on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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