notnowcato Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Are you two finished mutually admiring each other? I've not complained about Hypo and frankly I've seen plenty worse on here both in words used and length of tit for tat when 2 posters have not agreed. So, why the intervention at this point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Thank god Saturday is almost upon us and we can get down to the important stuff, football and another three points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 The reason the Echo are now banned is due to something quite different from the original spat. All reporters and photographers (including the Echo) with accredited passes were allowed into the ground following the U turn by Cortese on how the press was managed with regards to image rights. The Echo was subsequently reported by Data-co after the Tranmere game for allowing unrestricted access to match photo's on their website. Data-co look after the image rights for the Football league, reported the Echo, resulting in their accredited passes being removed. The Echo had match photo's from the Coventry game on their website, HD with no restrictions allowing them to be down loaded in original condition. I just can't believe so many are ignorant of this fact or choose to ignore it. Anyone who has viewed photo's from private photographers will tell you that you just can't down load a pristine copy of a photo, they are marked or restricted in some manner to stop this happening. So it's relatively easy and cheap to stop this happening! I just can't believe so many are ignorant of this fact or choose to ignore it. Calm down, Sherlock Holmes. The only way a lot of people knew about the Echo ban came from the thread I re-posted earlier in the this thread, which only raised it's head a wekk or two ago. Prior to that others (including myself) had no idea that the Echo were still banned. Indeed a moderator from this forum claimed on that thread that, to his knowledge, the Echo still had full access. If the information is not easily found in the public domain (and the Echo are hardly going to advertise the fact that their reports are somewhat compromised by lack of access), then not everyone here is enough of a nerd to go around snooping for a story that may or may not exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 The reason the Echo are now banned is due to something quite different from the original spat. All reporters and photographers (including the Echo) with accredited passes were allowed into the ground following the U turn by Cortese on how the press was managed with regards to image rights. The Echo was subsequently reported by Data-co after the Tranmere game for allowing unrestricted access to match photo's on their website. Data-co look after the image rights for the Football league, reported the Echo, resulting in their accredited passes being removed. The Echo had match photo's from the Coventry game on their website, HD with no restrictions allowing them to be down loaded in original condition. I just can't believe so many are ignorant of this fact or choose to ignore it. Anyone who has viewed photo's from private photographers will tell you that you just can't down load a pristine copy of a photo, they are marked or restricted in some manner to stop this happening. So it's relatively easy and cheap to stop this happening! I just can't believe so many are ignorant of this fact or choose to ignore it. I am no expert on this sort of thing at all, but to me it sounds like a relatively minor issue? Yes, The Echo shouldn't have done that, but surely something that can be worked around resonably easily? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Surely, as the detail of "how" and "why" and "where" this offer of "buying a beer" is clearly not apparent, then any or all of the above could have happened? If he realised we would secure promotion that day and wanted to make a gesture (like buying the beer for the team coach etc...), then he could have suggested to Plymouth a number of ways to thank to fans in this way.... Maybe they thought that NC turning up in the concourse and shouting "the beers are on me" would not be such a great idea from a crowd control perspective...?? Maybe they thought that NC buying everyone in the Saints end a beer (using whatever method could have been available) was not something they wanted to be seen done - as would've meant we were celebrating and they had been relegated..... Maybe they pointed out that the complexities of "buying a beer" for everyone would have meant having to offer an alternative to those who don't drink beer? The idea that he may have thought about trying to arrange something for the fans as part of the promotion celebration is good. The fact that the practicalities of this actually happening were always going to defeat the idea is just pure common sense (something that appears to be lacking around here these days!) Anyway - as many have stated .... if NC doesn't provide any method of discussion with fans - he's in the wrong.... If he provides a method and it's not someone's idea of the perfect way to gauge opinion - he's in the wrong.... If someone comes on here with a brief summary of what was said - he's in the wrong.... It's no wonder so many good contributors to this site in the past no longer bother! Yes top shout. The ONLY way to have thanked fans would be to "buy them all a beer" a Plymouth. Doubt any club has been able to offer anything normal and practical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Yes top shout. The ONLY way to have thanked fans would be to "buy them all a beer" a Plymouth. Doubt any club has been able to offer anything normal and practical. exactly. if he wanted to offer the fans something to "celebrate" he could have done. but he didn't. fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieDog Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Seeing as everyone is expressing their opinions, I thought I'd like to chuck another one into the mix. If anybody thinks these dinners are just for NC propaganda I think they are sadly underestimating his abilities. These dinners are also a way for him to gauge reactions from the"average fan" on a whole range of subjects. I would imagine there are also other SFC representatives in attendance who are gently probing the rest of the attendees for snippets of feedback. Maybe that makes me sound like a cynic for suggesting it, but I am not saying its a bad thing, in fact I think it's very clever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 I am no expert on this sort of thing at all, but to me it sounds like a relatively minor issue? Yes, The Echo shouldn't have done that, but surely something that can be worked around resonably easily? It could possibly be reasoned that this is an issue between DataCo and the Echo. Unless DataCo have made a specific request that the Echo are refused access to the ground, though I'm not sure whether they would have any authority to do that. In any case, absolutely right, it is a very minor issue and quite why the club and newspaper can't come together for a common solution which is in both party's interests is a bit puzzling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 I think that giving us promotion to celebrate was enough. And I wouldn't have got a beer off him anyway as I was in the home end at Plymouth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Calm down, Sherlock Holmes. The only way a lot of people knew about the Echo ban came from the thread I re-posted earlier in the this thread, which only raised it's head a wekk or two ago. Prior to that others (including myself) had no idea that the Echo were still banned. Indeed a moderator from this forum claimed on that thread that, to his knowledge, the Echo still had full access. If the information is not easily found in the public domain (and the Echo are hardly going to advertise the fact that their reports are somewhat compromised by lack of access), then not everyone here is enough of a nerd to go around snooping for a story that may or may not exist. you get the feeling he is a photographer or has in someway lost out himself to the the echo publishing his snaps, clearly very passionate about it, or maybe he has shares in data-co. either way, if that is the case there are almost certainly other means of resolution, i would say there is more to it going back to the previous ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 exactly. if he wanted to offer the fans something to "celebrate" he could have done. but he didn't. fact. You are forgetting the clubs contribution towards the giant fans flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 I would imagine there are also other SFC representatives in attendance who are gently probing the rest of the attendees. I'd heard Cortese was mates with Berlusconi who is famed for his bunga bunga parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 I've not complained about Hypo and frankly I've seen plenty worse on here both in words used and length of tit for tat when 2 posters have not agreed. So, why the intervention at this point? Steve is right. I would rather you ignored my posts. I rarely reply to yours l. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pip Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 I'm sure the players weren't disappointed that Nicola wasn't able to spend his money on buying the fans a drink. It was ovbiously burning a hole in his pocket as they persuaded him to shell out on a trip to Las Vegas for them instead on the coach home! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 exactly. if he wanted to offer the fans something to "celebrate" he could have done. but he didn't. fact. That's my point and is why some are suspicious about the motives for revealing this story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusaldo Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Pure legend, who has amazing ambition and determination for the club! Doesn't like forecast (thankgod) Has handed plans to the council to exstend the ground too 44k has a player in mind for when the transfer window opens. Tells people to just 'not get caught if you use someone else's ST' his words! I dont suppose he has any more info on this? I'm guessing its a striker based on our rumoured activity in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 I think that giving us promotion to celebrate was enough. And I wouldn't have got a beer off him anyway as I was in the home end at Plymouth! I agree. Then why did cortese feel the need to bring this story up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 The whole Poyet interested in the Saints job has caused a bit of a tizzy over at NorthStandChat, with some of their fans saying they had heard it from people their end too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 That's my point and is why some are suspicious about the motives for revealing this story. What did you make of the all-saints day? Decent gesture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 I can't help but notice that this forum has become rubbish. The 'better' posters are fading away and are being replaced by fools. This thread illustrates my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 I see the alchemists are busy turning potential gold nuggets into lead balloons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brussels Saint Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Why are we banging on about the beer buying issue. It was probably a throw away comment from NC, mentioned as a humourous anecdote to show how happy everyone was during that period. I doubt a big thing was made of it and everyone moved on quickly. MUCH more relevent are the other things highlighted and should concern us/interest us more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 17 November, 2011 Author Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Don't think he revealed anything other than he's got a player in mind. I'm assuming this will be a NA signing though rather than a NC signing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 This forum gets more like a kindergarten every day. We are all entitled to our opinions,but why some are expressed in such a childish way,god only knows. Personally on the whole I think NC is doing a great job.[i have a mate who is better qualified to know,who disagrees with me totally]. Finally,thank you Saint Garrett,for your original post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Rabbit Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 If an application has gone in, it hasn't reached the planning section on the councils website yet... http://publicaccess.southampton.gov.uk/PublicAccess/propdb/property/property_history_summary.aspx?blpukeyval=002MC5OZBU000&lpikeyval=00253AOZLI000&module=P3&historymodule=DC It's quite possible that it's just early consultation with the planners just to get a feel for what they would think of any proposal. A full on Planning Application would be all over the news... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Bob Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 I've not complained about Hypo and frankly I've seen plenty worse on here both in words used and length of tit for tat when 2 posters have not agreed. So, why the intervention at this point? Because it's feckin' boring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Seeing as everyone is expressing their opinions, I thought I'd like to chuck another one into the mix. If anybody thinks these dinners are just for NC propaganda I think they are sadly underestimating his abilities. These dinners are also a way for him to gauge reactions from the"average fan" on a whole range of subjects. I would imagine there are also other SFC representatives in attendance who are gently probing the rest of the attendees for snippets of feedback. Maybe that makes me sound like a cynic for suggesting it, but I am not saying its a bad thing, in fact I think it's very clever! But they're not. He's meeting with about 0.02% of our fanbase at these dinners. No business or market research organisation would consider any information provided by such a small pool as worthwhile or useful information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 I'd heard Cortese was mates with Berlusconi who is famed for his bunga bunga parties. Now that would be a quality approach from NC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COMEONYOUREDS Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Sour Ho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 But they're not. He's meeting with about 0.02% of our fanbase at these dinners. No business or market research organisation would consider any information provided by such a small pool as worthwhile or useful information. You and JRM (and others) are so boring and really frustrate me with your negative and suspicious attitude, and clearly many others. Why so cynical? Were you part of the failed MLT bid or something? Do you not want Saints to be aiming towards success in the Premiership? Do you think they Nicola should cancel these dinners then as they are a waste of time to all involved? Maybe you do, but as previous dinners have shown, we as fans find out some interesting stuff, and you can be sure he does too. There is no way that having a conversation with 12 season tickets holders won't give him some interesting feedback. Perhaps percentage wise it is small, but if all 12 of them went in saying "The parking charge is ridiculous at St Marys on non match days ffs" then you can guarantee he would take note. He might justify it in his own way and carry on regardless, but to say the whole exercise is pointless (for both parties) is bizarre. I don't get why everyone is so focused on the whole beer at Plymouth thing either, as brussels Saint says above, as it was no doubt an idea he had, it didn't work, but he just mentioned in passing he had considered it, and then everyones goes mad making out he is some mad inventor with crazy ideas or something! Reading his comments, even if 3rd hand (well, 2nd technically as they were quoted directly from facebook), is so exciting. Even if they are just pie in the sky comments from Cortese, at least they are his aims. We probably won't win the EPL with 8 home grown players, but my god, for him to be even contemplating that possibility is so ambitious, and shows how high he thinks Saints can get. To be fair, I'll be happy with 17th in the Prem next season, but my aspirations are changing all the time as a Saints fan as we continue to improve in every way. At the start of the season, there was a poll on here about where everyone thought Saints would finish, and from memory, I am pretty sure the percentage saying 1st or 2nd was very low. About a third of the way through the season now, I wonder what everyone thinks now!! As a fan of Saints, reading positive things directly attributable to our chairman is excellent. I can only think the years of dross we have seen recently has brainwashed so many posters on here into thinking negatively about everything that goes on at Saints, they fail to be excited about the future and instead look for the smallest thing to whine and moan about. Not just from this post, but plenty of others too. Its sad so many people STILL have no faith or belief in our chairman and try so hard to ridicule or prove wrong everything he seems to do or say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 We probably won't win the EPL with 8 home grown players, but my god, for him to be even contemplating that possibility is so ambitious, and shows how high he thinks Saints can get. I now have no idea where I read that, I thought it was someone in the quote from Cortese, but must have been somewhere on here... just dunno where! Apolgogies if that wasn't something Cortese actually has been attributed to saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Steve is right. I would rather you ignored my posts. I rarely reply to yours l. I'd rather you didn't post your opinion as fact but maybe I'll settle for world peace happening first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 I'd rather you didn't post your opinion as fact but maybe I'll settle for world peace happening first. If you can't distinguish between a fact and someones opinion then that is your problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Because it's feckin' boring? Son, if that is how you feel please look elsewhere. You've been on here long enough to realise what goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaford Saint Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Pathetic thread....a new high or a new low......why don't the negative tosspots form their own forum and Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durleyfos Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 I can't decide if threads like this are the reason I love this forum, or the reason I hate it so much right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 But they're not. He's meeting with about 0.02% of our fanbase at these dinners. No business or market research organisation would consider any information provided by such a small pool as worthwhile or useful information. I take it you actually believe what you type?? *facepalm thingy* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 If true I can see why we didn't choose him. Good manager so far, but maybe too big a name, too much focus on us and most importantly, not someone you'd expect to stick around if we're doing well. You can imagine Adkins staying whether we stay in this league or start doing well in the top flight. Poyet would end up moving on, as he will from Brighton. In fact if Brighton remain mid-table I bet Poyet is elsewhere by next season. obviously not too clued up on our national game and the way people within it operate then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Pathetic thread....a new high or a new low......why don't the negative tosspots form their own forum and Lol do anyone who has a viewpoint you disagree with (or negative as you call it) should leave the forum? I get annoyed by the views of some but I don't want them to leave, that's how dictatorships start. Or do you just want a forum where everyone agrees with you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 (edited) You and JRM (and others) are so boring and really frustrate me with your negative and suspicious attitude, and clearly many others. Why so cynical? Were you part of the failed MLT bid or something? Do you not want Saints to be aiming towards success in the Premiership? Do you think they Nicola should cancel these dinners then as they are a waste of time to all involved? Maybe you do, but as previous dinners have shown, we as fans find out some interesting stuff, and you can be sure he does too. There is no way that having a conversation with 12 season tickets holders won't give him some interesting feedback. Perhaps percentage wise it is small, but if all 12 of them went in saying "The parking charge is ridiculous at St Marys on non match days ffs" then you can guarantee he would take note. He might justify it in his own way and carry on regardless, but to say the whole exercise is pointless (for both parties) is bizarre. I don't get why everyone is so focused on the whole beer at Plymouth thing either, as brussels Saint says above, as it was no doubt an idea he had, it didn't work, but he just mentioned in passing he had considered it, and then everyones goes mad making out he is some mad inventor with crazy ideas or something! Reading his comments, even if 3rd hand (well, 2nd technically as they were quoted directly from facebook), is so exciting. Even if they are just pie in the sky comments from Cortese, at least they are his aims. We probably won't win the EPL with 8 home grown players, but my god, for him to be even contemplating that possibility is so ambitious, and shows how high he thinks Saints can get. To be fair, I'll be happy with 17th in the Prem next season, but my aspirations are changing all the time as a Saints fan as we continue to improve in every way. At the start of the season, there was a poll on here about where everyone thought Saints would finish, and from memory, I am pretty sure the percentage saying 1st or 2nd was very low. About a third of the way through the season now, I wonder what everyone thinks now!! As a fan of Saints, reading positive things directly attributable to our chairman is excellent. I can only think the years of dross we have seen recently has brainwashed so many posters on here into thinking negatively about everything that goes on at Saints, they fail to be excited about the future and instead look for the smallest thing to whine and moan about. Not just from this post, but plenty of others too. Its sad so many people STILL have no faith or belief in our chairman and try so hard to ridicule or prove wrong everything he seems to do or say. Yet another one who doesn't bother actually reading what is written here. Where has anyone shown "no faith or belief in our chairman and try so hard to ridicule or prove wrong everything he seems to do or say". I haven't seen that once. But for some reason some of you don't like the idea of anyone challenging anything he might have said and are strangely precious about any sort of actual questioning. Everyone agrees that NC is doing a top job. That doesn't mean we can't highlight where we feel that things can be improved. You're right, I do think these dinners are a waste of time. A proper forum, open to all would be far better. Communicating clearly, in a straight forward manner would be far better. What actual interesting/worthwhile information has this dinner given us? What information has been fedback from the fans to NC? Edited 17 November, 2011 by Sour Mash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 I do think these dinners are a waste of time. Would you change your mind if you attended one? A proper forum, open to all would be far better. Different, not neccessarily better Communicating clearly, in a straight forward manner would be far better. What information are you missing? What actual interesting/worthwhile information has this dinner given us? Maybe it's not just about us, the fans see responses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 see responses You ask "What information are you missing?" As far as I can tell, the one poster who has reported his attendance didn't even seem to ask a single question all night. It looks like the highlight for him was that he got recognised by the chairman and spent an evening of awe and wonderment at such a revelation. The first few of these dinners actually served a purpose; they answered some questions and in some small way started to fill the gap of the fans forums being discontinued. But I'd like to hear if any actual questions were asked of NC, rather than they seemingly just ate and drank for free whilst listening to his dream for us to win the title with 8 homegrown players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 (edited) After wading through the tosh on this thread, I can summise. Cortese still has ambition for the club - good thing Jos Hooiveld will sign - good thing Expanding capacity - not sure we have the underlying fan base just yet Passing Stats vs Barca - MLG will be desperately checking out Poyet - Interesting, think NA better choice. Unresolved - Ticket Tax & Pardewgate Edited 17 November, 2011 by St Chalet Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindsorSaint Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 At the start of the season, there was a poll on here about where everyone thought Saints would finish, and from memory, I am pretty sure the percentage saying 1st or 2nd was very low. About a third of the way through the season now, I wonder what everyone thinks now!! http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?32351-Where-do-you-see-us-finishing-Poll/page2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 But they're not. He's meeting with about 0.02% of our fanbase at these dinners. No business or market research organisation would consider any information provided by such a small pool as worthwhile or useful information. WHy is it the negative numpties that always seem to spout incorrect assumptions as fact. The reality is that we have 13,000 STH's and these dinners are for STH's, therefore Cortese meets almost 0.1% of theses fans each time, so if we have had 4 dinners so far (guess) he has already met 0.4% of the STH's. I also know from personal experience that researchers regularly use samples as little as 100 to represent whole markets or populations. You are only interested in facts that support your negative outlook so I fully expect you to try to argue with my numbers but I really couldn't give a flying f**k what you think. I just wish you would stop spoiling my enjoyment of what used to be a good forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 You ask "What information are you missing?" As far as I can tell, the one poster who has reported his attendance didn't even seem to ask a single question all night. It looks like the highlight for him was that he got recognised by the chairman and spent an evening of awe and wonderment at such a revelation. The first few of these dinners actually served a purpose; they answered some questions and in some small way started to fill the gap of the fans forums being discontinued. But I'd like to hear if any actual questions were asked of NC, rather than they seemingly just ate and drank for free whilst listening to his dream for us to win the title with 8 homegrown players. We are dealing with information from a friend of a friend who attended. Quite why you expect a blow by blow account is a bit shortsighted on your part. The more the original poster is pointlessly ridiculed the less likely you are to get further information from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 see responsesI do think these dinners are a waste of time. Would you change your mind if you attended one? No of course not, that would completely miss the point. The principle is still exactly the same. A proper forum, open to all would be far better. Different, not neccessarily better Different and better. I wouldn't have so much of a problem with these dinners if they were some how attached to a more open and transparent forum Communicating clearly, in a straight forward manner would be far better. What information are you missing? Anything worthwhile and relevant to match going fans. Given the opportunity, I would ask what has happened to the flag, when are we going to sort our ticketing system, are the arrangements and prices for travel to the Skates game fair and reasonable. Not big issues. Not trying to topple NC's regime. Just every day queries that surely these sort of inter-actions should help to address? What actual interesting/worthwhile information has this dinner given us? Maybe it's not just about us, the fans Of course it's not just about us the fans. But that's sort of my point, we just don't know what is covered and is fedback. Apologies for the rubbish quoting, I hope my responses make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 You ask "What information are you missing?" As far as I can tell, the one poster who has reported his attendance didn't even seem to ask a single question all night. It looks like the highlight for him was that he got recognised by the chairman and spent an evening of awe and wonderment at such a revelation. The first few of these dinners actually served a purpose; they answered some questions and in some small way started to fill the gap of the fans forums being discontinued. But I'd like to hear if any actual questions were asked of NC, rather than they seemingly just ate and drank for free whilst listening to his dream for us to win the title with 8 homegrown players. But we will never know what really happens at these dinners on this forum and I don't blame people for not posting due to the subsequent abuse they are likely to get. Ironically it is the people who shout the loudest about their right to free speech that are actually stopping potentially interesting contributions from others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 We are dealing with information from a friend of a friend who attended. Quite why you expect a blow by blow account is a bit shortsighted on your part. The more the original poster is pointlessly ridiculed the less likely you are to get further information from him. I'm answering your question, "what information are you missing?". And basing it on a comparison with the fans forums, which we used to have and you claimed in a previous post were not better than the fans dinners. Given the dinner was last night, it's disappointing that the only information to come out of it was some long term ambitions and 3 or 4 tidbits of information that don't really answer anything. So you can see, there's a lot of information that's "missing", and for people who weren't at the dinner its massively difficult for me to see how this format is not much worse than the previous fans' forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 I think these dinners are really useful. For example, I have learnt that JRM and Sour Mash are complete divs. Also, anyone who didn't already know (unlikely, I concede) has also learned that Hypocondriac is a prize cockle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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