notnowcato Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Thanks for posting Saint Garrett and dont let the "always room for improvement" nutjobs or the "fans forum is a better format" gimps get to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 So did anyone on here actually go to the said diner ? If they did do you honestly think they would post it on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 ok - were you with him at plymouth? what is this training ground where cortese recognises him from? After the Plymouth game, this guy and a few other mates were driving past Staplewood just as the team coach was getting back. The followed them in and all shared a few beers together, including with Cortese. Pics were posted on here at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 I also know Niven (the guy who went) and he wouldn't have made any of this up. Cortese would have said it, whether it's bull**** coming out of Cortese's mouth is up to everyone to believe or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Absolutely, people on here crave feedback but when it comes all they get in return are cries of 'bullsh*t.' Only from the vocal minority - otherwise lovingly known as gimps and nutjobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 This is what my mate just put on facebook..he's just got back. What can I say an experience I will never forget! Cortese took my phone from me too look at the pictures of us lads at the training ground that day at Plymouth and when i asked my first question he said he recognised me thats y i showed him and he said thats it! Pure legend, who has amazing ambition and determination for the club! Doesn't like forecast (thankgod) Has handed plans to the council to exstend the ground too 44k has a player in mind for when the transfer window opens. Tells people to just 'not get caught if you use someone else's ST' his words! Told us poyet was just bitter and jelous of Adkins because he got the job and poyet didn't. Sorting out the Internet page next year hopefully when contract ends. Is going to sign hooverfield permanent in jan. Rumours of Owen are rubbish. Never put in a bid of 6.5 for roddreguiz cos he's not worth that. Sad chamberlain left but was family persuasion. Got in contact to Plymouth chairman to try buy every saints fan at plymouth a beer last season but Plymouth said no and he argued it and they wouldn't allow it. Great guy! Wow. F**k me. Wasnt expecting that. I suppose if he is optimisitic about getting to the PL in the next 2 years, and we are starting to hit a few full-houses, he can see the potential in forward planning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 17 November, 2011 Author Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Dammed if you do & dammed if you don't on this forum. Sure some people will manage to find negatives from the info I passed on and if not dismiss it as 'all ********' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Dammed if you do & dammed if you don't on this forum. Sure some people will manage to find negatives from the info I passed on and if not dismiss it as 'all ********' Thanks for passing on the info I don't doubt that your mate was telling the truth. I simply question how accurate those stories are that he was told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Love Cortese's ambition, we are definitely lucky to have someone like him running the club. All these, "my mate said" is just second hand rumour though, as I said it would be much better if questions were asked at a fans forum and all replies were on the record from the horses mouth. But then what about the rest of the population that dont go to the fans forum. All they get is 2nd hand reports passed on by someone else. Not that much different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Right...has everyone got their free booking pass for an away game? Good. A toast! A toast to all the gimps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 But then what about the rest of the population that dont go to the fans forum. All they get is 2nd hand reports passed on by someone else. Not that much different. Except of course the fact it is broadcast on the radio... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 This is what my mate just put on facebook..he's just got back. What can I say an experience I will never forget! Cortese took my phone from me too look at the pictures of us lads at the training ground that day at Plymouth and when i asked my first question he said he recognised me thats y i showed him and he said thats it! Pure legend, who has amazing ambition and determination for the club! Doesn't like forecast (thankgod) Has handed plans to the council to exstend the ground too 44k has a player in mind for when the transfer window opens. Tells people to just 'not get caught if you use someone else's ST' his words! Told us poyet was just bitter and jelous of Adkins because he got the job and poyet didn't. Sorting out the Internet page next year hopefully when contract ends. Is going to sign hooverfield permanent in jan. Rumours of Owen are rubbish. Never put in a bid of 6.5 for roddreguiz cos he's not worth that. Sad chamberlain left but was family persuasion. Got in contact to Plymouth chairman to try buy every saints fan at plymouth a beer last season but Plymouth said no and he argued it and they wouldn't allow it. Great guy! Cortese will be well chuffed with this spin. He can basically spin any yarn at Come Dine With Nicola. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 17 November, 2011 Author Share Posted 17 November, 2011 What so you think that he would have just lied to the fan that were there to make himself sound better? Do you really think thats worth it for him? If anything, he'd be better off saying more negative stuff which is wrong which he is trying to improve than just banging on about how good we are. And anyway I think my mate is just more likely to not remember ALL of what has been said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Love this thread. We've had so many years of "why is there no contact between the fans and the board?" and "we need more transparency in what is going on at board level!". Now we have NC inviting fans to regular meals to discuss Saints we get "what, this is all bull**** and it is made up" and "Cortese is just putting out spin FFS". Absolute stupidity from our fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Love Cortese's ambition, we are definitely lucky to have someone like him running the club. All these, "my mate said" is just second hand rumour though, as I said it would be much better if questions were asked at a fans forum and all replies were on the record from the horses mouth. Also, bit of a coincidence that one of the people who got an invite was some happy clappy mong who hangs round the training ground to have pics ytaken with the Chief Exec! This. What many people are too dense to understand is no-one is saying NC isn't doing a good job or that they don't want him at the club. They just want a reasonable opportunity to have some valid queries answered. I think it's great if we're looking to expand to 44k, would be spot on in my opninion, but why then communciate out to supporters via 2nd and 3rd hand over excited, star-struck facebook status updates? And things like the Plymouth beer story never do him any favours - there are 101 other ways to thank the loyal traveling support if he really wanted to. If there is good, positive news coming out of the club, then doing properly, professionally and clearly - it will stop a lot of the sniping and cynicism that the current approach is inclined to attract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Good report St G thanks. Like anything second hand I take it with a pinch of salt and potential for memory fade. ONE thing is clear though, the tone/vibe/feel is always consistent in all this feedback we see. (As is the moaning) Anyway couple of points. 1) NC was in beer buying mood at Plymouth - we know that it was clearly reported at the time and on Twitter that NC bought the beers for the team bus (and helped tidy up afterwards) so no reason to doubt that he at least had the idea of buying the lads who went a beer 2) There are numerous web-sites dedicated to how to write a perfect complaint letter or how to write to a CEO and get their attention so that they answer a question that is relevant to you personally. I would be interested to ask how many of those who demand answers to burning issues that HAVE to be asked in a Public Forum have actually written or emailed directly to NC and asked? I think the price of a stamp is still less than the ticket tax back there in Blighty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Wow. F**k me. Wasnt expecting that. I suppose if he is optimisitic about getting to the PL in the next 2 years, and we are starting to hit a few full-houses, he can see the potential in forward planning. Forgive me chuckling that your Freudian typo slip was on the word 'optimistic' :-) On the general tone of the responses I'd say thanks to the OP and those who have backed up the credibility through knowledge of the attendee and provenant picture. To those who patently have an agenda against Cortese because he hasn't provided 100% of what they'd like personally (and no Chairman will ever achieve faultless) - you really are on the wrong forum...the wrong colour forum - why look for dog cr*p to tread in when there's a clear path ahead of you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 And JRM....If you dont want to read it/believe it then don't. I'm just passing on info...I would have thought it was more welcomed than not. TBH I think that JRM is just being a cock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 i am dissappointed so many fans on this forum can do nothing but lap up the spin and resort to being abusive to anyone who questions it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Good report St G thanks. Like anything second hand I take it with a pinch of salt and potential for memory fade. ONE thing is clear though, the tone/vibe/feel is always consistent in all this feedback we see. (As is the moaning) Anyway couple of points. 1) NC was in beer buying mood at Plymouth - we know that it was clearly reported at the time and on Twitter that NC bought the beers for the team bus (and helped tidy up afterwards) so no reason to doubt that he at least had the idea of buying the lads who went a beer 2) There are numerous web-sites dedicated to how to write a perfect complaint letter or how to write to a CEO and get their attention so that they answer a question that is relevant to you personally. I would be interested to ask how many of those who demand answers to burning issues that HAVE to be asked in a Public Forum have actually written or emailed directly to NC and asked? I think the price of a stamp is still less than the ticket tax back there in Blighty. I have asked questions and emailed various people and got no reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 This. What many people are too dense to understand is no-one is saying NC isn't doing a good job or that they don't want him at the club. They just want a reasonable opportunity to have some valid queries answered. I think it's great if we're looking to expand to 44k, would be spot on in my opninion, but why then communciate out to supporters via 2nd and 3rd hand over excited, star-struck facebook status updates? And things like the Plymouth beer story never do him any favours - there are 101 other ways to thank the loyal traveling support if he really wanted to. If there is good, positive news coming out of the club, then doing properly, professionally and clearly - it will stop a lot of the sniping and cynicism that the current approach is inclined to attract. Sniping and cynicism from the gimps and nutjobs. Why don't you ask yourself what the benefits are to NC hosting informal, focused small dinners with STH. For me it's not perfect BUT it offers greater potential for open and frank discussions than any larger forum would. Dune - you're just a troll and a dull one at that, just my opinion of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 i am dissappointed so many fans on this forum can do nothing but lap up the spin and resort to being abusive to anyone who questions it. Maybe you would like to fully explain the reasons as to why you believe it is a spin and the underlying agenda for Cortese's tactics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 I have asked questions and emailed various people and got no reply. LMAO - did you use your internet persona?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Thanks for passing on the info I don't doubt that your mate was telling the truth. I simply question how accurate those stories are that he was told. On what evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 LMAO - did you use your internet persona?? All you do is follow me around on this forum. It's weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 On what evidence? Based on the fact that he has said things like this before that cannot be proven either way. Even if it were true, I would question the wisdom of bigging up of yourself about something that didn't occur. If he had said I tried to buy everyone a beer but they wouldn't let me so I did something else then fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 i am dissappointed so many fans on this forum can do nothing but lap up the spin and resort to being abusive to anyone who questions it. And what is your evidence that it is spin? You clearly, for reasons of your own, don't like Cortese. It therefore doesn't matter what he says you will spin it as spin. I will make up my own mind thanks. I would cite where we are today as evidence that he tends to achieve what he says he will do. You can suit yourself what you believe -it is your prerogative. But your series of responses to St Garrett struck me much more as someone being a cock rather than offering any kind of constructive disagreement or analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Thanks Saint G I appreciate your post if others don't thats their problem if they choose to discredit your mates version of the evening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Wow. The ratio of normal posters to knobs on this forum seems to decline every day. Thanks to the OP. Interesting read. Its obvious why the other 11 guests havent posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Based on the fact that he has said things like this before that cannot be proven either way. Even if it were true, I would question the wisdom of bigging up of yourself about something that didn't occur. If he had said I tried to buy everyone a beer but they wouldn't let me so I did something else then fair enough. With respect Hypo - you are expressing an opinion here. It isn't evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Absolutely, people on here crave feedback but when it comes all they get in return are cries of 'bullsh*t.' It's not actually "feedback" though is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Its a report from the meal from someone who was there and is known by several posters here. To anybody outside of this surreal little universe it is feedback. But instead of discussing cthe content we get instead theories about how it could potentially be bull**** and semantic arguments over adjectives. No wonder Brightons board has four times the traffic and four times the interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Thanks Saint G I appreciate your post if others don't thats their problem if they choose to discredit your mates version of the evening My understanding isn't that some think his mate is spouting a load of crap, but that what Cortese said seems somewhat odd. As has been said, if he wanted to do something for everyone who went to Plymouth, why didn't he just waive the ticket tax for that game? Why didn't he ask PAFC's security to escort him to the away concourse where he could buy the beer himself in person? Given PAFC's financial problems, I can't imagine they would have refused around £10k worth of business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Wow. The ratio of normal posters to knobs on this forum seems to decline every day. Thanks to the OP. Interesting read. Its obvious why the other 11 guests havent posted. Probably because contrary to what many think, only a small percentage of our fans actually use this forum. That's the problem with this method of communication, 11 people chosen out of a fan base of 40/50k isn't really the best way to communicate with fans. How do we know that some of the people there only know a couple of other Saints fans and mentioned it to them and no-one else. I know Saints fans that hardly use the internet at all, don't use facebook, twitter or here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 i am dissappointed so many fans on this forum can do nothing but lap up the spin and resort to being abusive to anyone who questions it. And vice versa! You might be a cynic but there are plenty of us who are not and don't appreciate the condescending tone of the like of you if we dare to accept that what is posted is posted in good faith! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Its a report from the meal from someone who was there and is known by several posters here. To anybody outside of this surreal little universe it is feedback. But instead of discussing cthe content we get instead theories about how it could potentially be bull**** and semantic arguments over adjectives. No wonder Brightons board has four times the traffic and four times the interest. Are you actually that stressed and angry that a Brighton internet forum gets more traffic than this particular internet forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 All you do is follow me around on this forum. It's weird. Haha, even here you present your opinion as fact. Nutjob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Probably because contrary to what many think, only a small percentage of our fans actually use this forum. That's the problem with this method of communication, 11 people chosen out of a fan base of 40/50k isn't really the best way to communicate with fans. How do we know that some of the people there only know a couple of other Saints fans and mentioned it to them and no-one else. I know Saints fans that hardly use the internet at all, don't use facebook, twitter or here. Thats not true. I know of two people who have gone to the dinners who used to post on here but no longer do so - mainly becomes most often its a humourless, cynical place to be. Some club forums are used by a very large section of the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 No. I do post on there though. I think its weird that you can get more laughter, interest and good banter on a rival board than you can on this one. The much much higher Brighton board traffic and content from a smaller fanbase simply shows what this one could be and isnt anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Thats not true. I know of two people who have gone to the dinners who used to post on here but no longer do so - mainly becomes most often its a humourless, cynical place to be. Some club forums are used by a very large section of the fans. What's not true? Guess how we both class "small percentage". Put it this way, I know LOADS of Saints fans, from all different types, different parts of the country, from 16 - 60 years of age. I'd have a fairly generous guess that a third of them look on here regularly. This forum gets plenty of traffic, more than most club's forums do, but passing out information 2nd and 3rd hand across internet forums doesn't do NC any favours. We've got plenty of good news to be proud of, so why not communicate clearly, directly and openly, without any unecssary spin? Patch up that relationship with The Echo for example. I'm no fan of journos in general, but I know a fair few people employed at the Echo and they're massive Saints fans and the Echo would be a great medium of getting some of these out to the wider fan base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 17 November, 2011 Author Share Posted 17 November, 2011 He also added that Cortese has another 5 year plan once we get into the premiership, to win the title. Although I'm not sure if he was just joking or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Haha, even here you present your opinion as fact. Nutjob. It is my opinion that you following me round the forum is weird. I'm sure you think it's normal but then that is why you are a bit odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 If an application has gone in, it hasn't reached the planning section on the councils website yet... http://publicaccess.southampton.gov.uk/PublicAccess/propdb/property/property_history_summary.aspx?blpukeyval=002MC5OZBU000&lpikeyval=00253AOZLI000&module=P3&historymodule=DC He may not have made a formal application yet. It is possible to submit provisional plans (usually in the form of basic sketches) to a Planning Officer in order to ask their opinion as to whether the proposal is viable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 He also added that Cortese has another 5 year plan once we get into the premiership, to win the title. Although I'm not sure if he was just joking or not. haha, you tease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 It is my opinion that you following me round the forum is weird. I'm sure you think it's normal but then that is why you are a bit odd. Hmmm.. If a nutjob gimp calls me odd, do I take that as a good thing or not? Think I'll side with it being a good thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Hmmm.. If a nutjob gimp calls me odd, do I take that as a good thing or not? Think I'll side with it being a good thing similarly if an exceedingly odd poster follows me around the forum for attention and calls me a gimp and a nut job is that a good thing? Probably, I'm not sure I would want complements from your sort at any rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Are you two finished mutually admiring each other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essruu Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Thats not true. I know of two people who have gone to the dinners who used to post on here but no longer do so - mainly becomes most often its a humourless, cynical place to be. Some club forums are used by a very large section of the fans. Some [all?] other clubs' fans forums don't discourage people from posting on them by charging to post messages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 The key word of JRM's question perhaps being "still"; as in why the local paper is still banned, it smacks of pettiness from an owner who IMO should rise above such a minor transgression. Especially given that the information was already in the public domain when the echo went to print, it was hardly groundbreaking news. The reason the Echo are now banned is due to something quite different from the original spat. All reporters and photographers (including the Echo) with accredited passes were allowed into the ground following the U turn by Cortese on how the press was managed with regards to image rights. The Echo was subsequently reported by Data-co after the Tranmere game for allowing unrestricted access to match photo's on their website. Data-co look after the image rights for the Football league, reported the Echo, resulting in their accredited passes being removed. The Echo had match photo's from the Coventry game on their website, HD with no restrictions allowing them to be down loaded in original condition. I just can't believe so many are ignorant of this fact or choose to ignore it. Anyone who has viewed photo's from private photographers will tell you that you just can't down load a pristine copy of a photo, they are marked or restricted in some manner to stop this happening. So it's relatively easy and cheap to stop this happening! I just can't believe so many are ignorant of this fact or choose to ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningtonCrescent Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 My understanding isn't that some think his mate is spouting a load of crap, but that what Cortese said seems somewhat odd. As has been said, if he wanted to do something for everyone who went to Plymouth, why didn't he just waive the ticket tax for that game? Why didn't he ask PAFC's security to escort him to the away concourse where he could buy the beer himself in person? Given PAFC's financial problems, I can't imagine they would have refused around £10k worth of business. Surely, as the detail of "how" and "why" and "where" this offer of "buying a beer" is clearly not apparent, then any or all of the above could have happened? If he realised we would secure promotion that day and wanted to make a gesture (like buying the beer for the team coach etc...), then he could have suggested to Plymouth a number of ways to thank to fans in this way.... Maybe they thought that NC turning up in the concourse and shouting "the beers are on me" would not be such a great idea from a crowd control perspective...?? Maybe they thought that NC buying everyone in the Saints end a beer (using whatever method could have been available) was not something they wanted to be seen done - as would've meant we were celebrating and they had been relegated..... Maybe they pointed out that the complexities of "buying a beer" for everyone would have meant having to offer an alternative to those who don't drink beer? The idea that he may have thought about trying to arrange something for the fans as part of the promotion celebration is good. The fact that the practicalities of this actually happening were always going to defeat the idea is just pure common sense (something that appears to be lacking around here these days!) Anyway - as many have stated .... if NC doesn't provide any method of discussion with fans - he's in the wrong.... If he provides a method and it's not someone's idea of the perfect way to gauge opinion - he's in the wrong.... If someone comes on here with a brief summary of what was said - he's in the wrong.... It's no wonder so many good contributors to this site in the past no longer bother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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