Hats off to the EDL

[dune]

I think the place was called Harlesden.

[solentstars]

So basically you moved up to London and had a few years living the "urban" dream and telling all your friends back home about how great the ethnic diversity was, but you didn't actual settle and put down roots there. Funny that. You don't need blond hair to be a minority in your own town. This country has let a lot of kids in this country down. You should have tried living in Tottenham for a bit, can't beat lunchtime entertainment at school of kurds kicking off with the turks and a stabbing.

my you dreamed up a story about my life even though i don,t know you and assumed i moved to london .i will leave it up to others about your views about your fellow colored britsh kids . nice story about the turks and kurds .

by the way i went to tottenham regular with my cousin being a spurs fan when john duncan played and westham

[View From The Top]

I think there's naive and then there's having a different opinion.

 

There is but you are the former I'm afraid.

[dune]

So you enter them with a preconceived idea of what you will find?

 

No, I use my eyes and my sixth sense. Don't you have the ability to realise when you're in a dodgy area?

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

When we were in the JPT final me and mate went out in London and missed the last tube train back to the hotel near Wembley so had to catch a bus. It took forever and I needed a slash so we had to get off about a mile from Wembley. Now Wembley seems a dangerous area to me, but where we got off instantly seemed very dangerous. It was only after that I discovered it was until recently the murder capital of England.

 

The Sikhs are coming!! Run for the bloody hills.

 

The same could be said for the middle of the Blackfield council estate.

[dune]

The Sikhs are coming!! Run for the bloody hills.

 

The same could be said for the middle of the Blackfield council estate.

 

It's a black area. I assume west indian.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

It's a black area. I assume west indian.

 

What? Wembley? I don't think so mate. Sikh.

[dune]

What? Wembley? I don't think so mate. Sikh.

 

Harlesden. All the people were black black.

[View From The Top]

It's a black area. I assume west indian.

 

The majority of that area is Sikh.

 

If I'm honest, I'd sooner live close to an Asian area than I would a white council sink estate and I'm guessing most of the posters would.

[View From The Top]

Harlesden. All the people were black black.

 

Sorry, thought you meant Wembley.

[Sour Mash]

Brown faces REALLY goose you, don't they - the sight of an Asian evidently makes your superior white skin crawl. The wonder is not how you live with ethnic minorities, but how you live with yourself. It must be a nightmare.

Your views on race are equally narrow minded. I know plenty of people in the Sikh and Hindu communities that would hate to think they are being lumped in some amorphous mass as "asian".

 

Also, if we're talking about feeling uncomfortable, you obviously have an issue with white working class males don't you? Really struggle with those "uncouth beer drinking yobs". I bet you hate going to football, probably why you only post on here to look down your nose at normal football fans, never showing any interest in any threads about football or going to games with those frightful white working class folk.

[pedg]

Harlesden. All the people were black black.

 

Well technically that's not a multicultural area then.

[dune]

Sorry, thought you meant Wembley.

 

A police car passed and was very tempted to flag him down and ask for lift. There were gangs along the road and you just knew they'd be tooled up.

[dune]

Well technically that's not a multicultural area then.

 

It is, there's other communities but blacks are the main one now. Areas tend to become ghettoised anyway which proves what a failure the Liberal Elites multicultural experiment has been. Eassentially we are living in a dysfuntional nation of apartheid through choice.

Edited 14 November, 2011 by dune

[solentstars]

Your views on race are equally narrow minded. I know plenty of people in the Sikh and Hindu communities that would hate to think they are being lumped in some amorphous mass as "asian".

 

Also, if we're talking about feeling uncomfortable, you obviously have an issue with white working class males don't you? Really struggle with those "uncouth beer drinking yobs". I bet you hate going to football, probably why you only post on here to look down your nose at normal football fans, never showing any interest in any threads about football or going to games with those frightful white working class folk.

stop putting a spin on it he did not even mention white working class males or white middle class males making out they are working class

[shurlock]

Harlesden. All the people were black black.

 

Shame, you didn't stumble into Kilburn and have a nice mick welcome you instead. Talk about students, you come across as one of the most naive and sheltered posters on here -and you don't even have the alibi of being a nipper.

[Sour Mash]

stop putting a spin on it he did not even mention white working class males or white middle class males making out they are working class

I think you'll find he did if you read his first post. Full of anger, hate and misunderstanding, quite unfortunate really. He should try getting along to the football and let off some steam getting behind Saints. Would probably hate it though.

[Verbal]

Excellent post. My local Halal butchers are always very welcoming and hospitable when I nip in for my weekly order of pork chops.

 

Don't you just hate halal butchers? And kosher, of course - LOATHE the Jews. Damned pig-haters. Let's find a solution for them too, and make it final.

 

You, of course, are quite different, settling down each night with an imaginary Mrs Mash, and tucking into a nicely aged roast chihuahua.

[Sour Mash]

Don't you just hate halal butchers? And kosher, of course - LOATHE the Jews. Damned pig-haters. Let's find a solution for them too, and make it final.

 

You, of course, are quite different, settling down each night with an imaginary Mrs Mash, and tucking into a nicely aged roast chihuahua.

Glad you've got no sense of humour to match your narrow minded and intolerant political and social outlook on life. Come on pal, get yourself to a game of football and let off some of that anger and frustration, it'll do you good.

[Verbal]

Glad you've got no sense of humour to match your narrow minded and intolerant political and social outlook on life. Come on pal, get yourself to a game of football and let off some of that anger and frustration, it'll do you good.

 

I'm hurt. I was agreeing with you. All i was saying was I can quite imagine you tucking happily into boiled dog. How not like halal eaters you are!

 

And before you say it - you're welcome.

[View From The Top]

Surprising at times how the most educated appear the most ignorant and narrow minded.

[Turkish]

If you're going to start throwing accusations of racism around, then you are a complete and utter c*nt.

 

OH dont worry about it mate, he does it all the time. He is the bastion of racial equality, the guardian of this forum is our Verbal, thats why we love him. Everyone on here is racist according to him. It's his self appointed role just to make us aware of it. When i had Papa Lazirou from League of Gentlemen as my avatar a while back it was down to Verbal to make me realise i didn't have it because it was a funny character from a comedy i like, i chose it because i subconsiously (although not now thanks to him) hated black people.

[shurlock]

London's generally OK - there's enough movement that people can create their own communities or simply move away if they don't like what an area has become. Where groups and minorities form enclaves out of choice -often its simple economic necessity- its a massive two fingers up to multiculturalism but at least, movement provides an useful safety valve.

 

I have more sympathy for towns up north where those options don't exist - along with all other problems of opportunity and the traditional bias of governments to the south. Saying that, ethnic minorities are still minorities -and its far fetched to talk about being a stranger in one's own town. Try living in other parts of the world.

Edited 14 November, 2011 by shurlock

[dune]

Glad you've got no sense of humour to match your narrow minded and intolerant political and social outlook on life. Come on pal, get yourself to a game of football and let off some of that anger and frustration, it'll do you good.

 

Imagine a whole stand full of Verbals. The chants would be amazing.

[View From The Top]

London's generally OK - there's enough movement that people can create their own communities or simply move away if they don't like what an area has become. Where groups and minorities form enclaves out of choice -often its simple economic necessity- its a massive two fingers up to multiculturalism but at least, movement provides an useful safety valve.

 

I have more sympathy for towns up north where those options don't exist - along with all other problems of opportunity and the traditional bias of governments to the south. Saying that, ethnic minorities are still minorities -and its far fetched to talk about being a stranger in one's own town. Try living in other parts of the world.

 

Depends. When I'm in Smethwick, around Victoria Park way and Rolfe St, as a white chap I really am the minority. In Victoria Primary school less that 10% is classed as white and that includes the Poles.

 

In my classes over there I have only one white lass, the rest is a mix of the UN.

 

What I find most interesting is how the 2nd generation Muslim women are becoming emancipated and reclaiming their future.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

Also, I am the first to admit I am younger than others and so lack experience in many areas. But, I thought this was a debate forum...

 

Saintandy666, mate you're much better off being naiive but optimistic and curious than a cynical and narrow minded never was and never will be like some on here. Show me a racist and i'll show you someone with a chip on his shoulder looking to blame someone else for their own failures.

[JRM]

Saintandy666, mate you're much better off being naiive but optimistic and curious than a cynical and narrow minded never was and never will be like some on here. Show me a racist and i'll show you someone with a chip on his shoulder looking to blame someone else for their own failures.

 

although my reply earlier was aimed at saintandy i actually quite like his innocent view of the world, and i honestly don't mean that in a patronising way, it would be nice if things were that way.

 

i can tell he is a nice well meaning lad, and i'll go as far as saying if he does choose to go to uni in London i'm more than happy for him to drop me a PM on here for any advice, it is a great learning curve going away to uni and a city like london has a lot to offer for a student.

 

the people i most have issues with are like solent saint who thinks he can lecture on issues as he once lived in Dagenham and popped along to spurs a couple of times in the 70s, he hasn't got a clue of the issues of growing up in a multicultural "melting pot", ewspecially one with a high concentration of one culture that becomes ghetto-ised. the subject of this arose from discussion about the EDL - not a group that i support as such, but it is so easy for others to shout them down from comfy leafy liberal suburbs when they themselves have no experience of the lives others have lead.

[JRM]

London's generally OK - there's enough movement that people can create their own communities or simply move away if they don't like what an area has become. Where groups and minorities form enclaves out of choice -often its simple economic necessity- its a massive two fingers up to multiculturalism but at least, movement provides an useful safety valve.

 

I have more sympathy for towns up north where those options don't exist - along with all other problems of opportunity and the traditional bias of governments to the south. Saying that, ethnic minorities are still minorities -and its far fetched to talk about being a stranger in one's own town. Try living in other parts of the world.

 

London as a whole is a great city to MOVE to, when you are a young professional and a choice of places to live, but spare a thought , what if you are born into an area that has some of the problems listed above, and have to go to schools where you are the ethnic minority, sit in classes where some of the others can barely speak English, the school dinners are made with Halal meat as that is what the "locals" want, why do you think so many people move out of London when they come to the age of getting married and having kids?

[Barney Trubble]

Depends. When I'm in Smethwick, around Victoria Park way and Rolfe St, as a white chap I really am the minority. In Victoria Primary school less that 10% is classed as white and that includes the Poles.

 

In my classes over there I have only one white lass, the rest is a mix of the UN.

 

What I find most interesting is how the 2nd generation Muslim women are becoming emancipated and reclaiming their future.

 

Spot on. I was working at a NHS place in Lozells and Handsworth, mostly with Pakistani ladies. It was a strange feeling having my name called down Heathfield Road and being embraced by Pakistani ladies, in their traditional clothing, wanting to give me a hug for teaching them. They were so appreciative and didn't seem to have the feared social faux pas of mixing with people of my ilk. I think it was me that was the most uncomfortable with the hugging in broad daylight, but the more you scratch beneath the surface you realise that they just want to integrate and be included in the lives of people from different cultures too and they are a lot more liberated than I originally anticipated, some are very flirty.

 

Also, we discuss our different festivals and contrary to popular belief, they took a great interest in remembrance day and even made poppies for the class as a gesture of respect for me. I'm the only white person in a class of 16, so it's been a good experience for me and I am pleasantly surprised at how some of my own perceptions were ill founded and that 2nd gen Muslim women are very openminded to life and change too.

[Saintandy666]

I do have some experience in the going to a school with many different cultured people in. My primary school actually won awards for the amount of different nationalities it managed to successfully cater for(thought the award came a few years after I left). At the time of the award though, there were 23 languages spoken at the school! It wasn't quite that amount in my day, but I remember interpreters were always in for new non-British intake.

 

Edit: though it wasn't an inner city school such as those described above. It was in a prosperous area.

Edited 14 November, 2011 by Saintandy666

[shurlock]

Depends. When I'm in Smethwick, around Victoria Park way and Rolfe St, as a white chap I really am the minority. In Victoria Primary school less that 10% is classed as white and that includes the Poles.

 

In my classes over there I have only one white lass, the rest is a mix of the UN.

 

What I find most interesting is how the 2nd generation Muslim women are becoming emancipated and reclaiming their future.

 

True, it depends. I guess I end up comparing this country with other places I'm quite familiar with. My old man lives in Baltimore in the US, a city which is larger than Manchester and where two thirds of the population is black.

 

I agree about generational effects - its also a tricky one. On the one hand, you have girls who want to have an education and take advantage of the opportunities in this country and some are even prepared to marry out; on the other, it means that many are also more confident about asserting their identity and difference and challenging mainstream values in a way their parents never dared to.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

JRM, to be fair that wasn't aimed at you.

[dune]

I do have some experience in the going to a school with many different cultured people in. My primary school actually won awards for the amount of different nationalities it managed to successfully cater for(thought the award came a few years after I left). At the time of the award though, there were 23 languages spoken at the school! It wasn't quite that amount in my day, but I remember interpreters were always in for new non-British intake.

 

Edit: though it wasn't an inner city school such as those described above. It was in a prosperous area.

 

There was just English at my primary school and I can't remember any foreigners at secondary school either.

[View From The Top]

There was just English at my primary school and I can't remember any foreigners at secondary school either.

 

That was your loss.

 

My kids have friends that are Slovak, Polish, Nepalese, Indian, Romanian, Spanish and Cypriot. It has given them, even at a young age, an interest in other cultures, languages, religions and cuisines.

[aintforever]

There was one black girl at my school, she let a fifth year stick a rounders bat up her fanny behind the science block.

[JRM]

That was your loss.

 

My kids have friends that are Slovak, Polish, Nepalese, Indian, Romanian, Spanish and Cypriot. It has given them, even at a young age, an interest in other cultures, languages, religions and cuisines.

 

that is quite a random mix for your neck of the woods, from my experience the Indian kids at school were all top people ridiculously good at maths, we had a lot of Mauritians who were good lads as well, very easily integrated into English society, same with the Greek Cypriots although one would leave graffitti on the tables to remind everyone to "never forget 1974" , their hatred of the Turks makes our rivalry with the skates look mild.

The Poles are interesting with most of them being 1st generation, i reckon the families who have settled here will be well integrated within a generation. was at Fulham v Krakow the other night and they really need to start using pubs for their drinking rather than off licence and drinking on the streets!

[shurlock]

London as a whole is a great city to MOVE to, when you are a young professional and a choice of places to live, but spare a thought , what if you are born into an area that has some of the problems listed above, and have to go to schools where you are the ethnic minority, sit in classes where some of the others can barely speak English, the school dinners are made with Halal meat as that is what the "locals" want, why do you think so many people move out of London when they come to the age of getting married and having kids?

 

Dont disagree - and its definitely true of some areas. Thinking more of the suburbs that white English people have been able to move to -parts of bexley/greenwich in the south; southern hertfordshire in the north and essex in the east (never lived in west london, so don't know the surrounding area) -all within reach of opportunities in and around the capital). This is a voluntary process and has been happening for a long time.

[dune]

That was your loss.

 

My kids have friends that are Slovak, Polish, Nepalese, Indian, Romanian, Spanish and Cypriot. It has given them, even at a young age, an interest in other cultures, languages, religions and cuisines.

 

I'm interested in other cultures where they come from, but not here.

 

I've been to the costa del sol, tenerife, les ores, jersey, gibraltar, turkey and Ibiza so you could say i'm well travelled.

Edited 14 November, 2011 by dune

[View From The Top]

that is quite a random mix for your neck of the woods

 

Partly due to the big MOD base I reckon.

 

The Slovaks are next door, the kids English is as good as my nippers and the parents are great people who have made the UK their home. The Polish kids are a nice bunch as well, with their English without a trace of accent.

 

The Nepalese is due to a Gurkha battalion based at Beacon Barracks.

 

The Indians are kids of engineers based at Alstrom and are also good kids who my nipper spends a lot of time doing maths and IT with.

 

It's giving them a balanced outlook in a way that isn't rammed down their throat.

[View From The Top]

I'm interested in other cultures where they come from, but not here.

 

I've been to the costa del sol, tenerife, les ores, jersey, gibraltar, turkey and Ibiza so you could say i'm well travelled.

 

Your loss.

[dune]

Your loss.

 

I don't see it like that. I like Britain how it should be, just like I like foreign countries for their culture.

[View From The Top]

I don't see it like that. I like Britain how it should be, just like I like foreign countries for their culture.

 

Britain from the 1950s has gone, get used to it. No matter what we feel about that it's a fact. It's up to us to model it for the future and in my experience young people have no major issues in getting along as they focus on what they have in common, not what makes them different.

 

It's sad middle aged types who can't cope and well, they're no loss really.

[Saintandy666]

There was just English at my primary school and I can't remember any foreigners at secondary school either.

 

That's just the changing face of the UK.

 

My secondary school wasn't so diverse in the number of different nationalities, but there was a very large Nepalese community as well as a reasonable number of Polish people and some Romanians.

[solentstars]

Britain from the 1950s has gone, get used to it. No matter what we feel about that it's a fact. It's up to us to model it for the future and in my experience young people have no major issues in getting along as they focus on what they have in common, not what makes them different.

 

It's sad middle aged types who can't cope and well, they're no loss really.

 

It seems as they get older they get more like victor meldrew and become sad people living in their make believe golden age which never existed

 

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[Saintandy666]

I do agree that these days Discrimination is not really much of an issue with us young lot. At least in areas of skin colour, nationality and sexuality... it's virtually non-existent beyond the few total morons who just look for something, anything different to point out and shout about. I'd say the problem is probably class these days... there's quite a bit of discrimination against those from richer backgrounds.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

I'm interested in other cultures where they come from, but not here.

 

I've been to the costa del sol, tenerife, les ores, jersey, gibraltar, turkey and Ibiza so you could say i'm well travelled.

 

I don't think a handful of package holidays to places full of other Brits where you're never more than 100 yards from a full English qualifies you as "well travelled".

[Saintandy666]

I don't think a handful of package holidays to places full of other Brits where you're never more than 100 yards from a full English qualifies you as "well travelled".

 

I never really understand why people want to go on those types of holidays...

[JRM]

I do agree that these days Discrimination is not really much of an issue with us young lot. At least in areas of skin colour, nationality and sexuality... it's virtually non-existent beyond the few total morons who just look for something, anything different to point out and shout about. I'd say the problem is probably class these days... there's quite a bit of discrimination against those from richer backgrounds.

 

What about positive discrimination? Where do you stand on that? Haringey council used to advertise jobs and then put "we particularly welcome applications from the black / lesbian, transgender, disabled communities, basically anyone who wasn't a white male.

[View From The Top]

I never really understand why people want to go on those types of holidays...

 

Lack of imagination.

[dune]

Lack of imagination.

 

There are loads are fantastic sights in those places if you get out of resorts. You don't know it all about everything.