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Why didn't Coventry do a minute silence in remembrance this afternoon?

 

There was a big Sky Blue shirt in the centre circle before KO and it did have a large Poppy on it but every other club had a minute silence.

 

Going into the break we will miss next weekend when the national rememberance is; did Coventry forget? Or just couldn't care less?

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I personally feel there are far far too many minute silences these days at the football, some have very little connection to SFC and the fans. Remembrance Sunday is certainly one that should be honoured without fail, but I actually feel this should only be done on the day and not 8 days before.

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Also, I am getting tired of this growing hysteria over whether someone is wearing a poppy or not or whether a group is promoting it(and then if they aren't wearing them, hounding them). It's the kind of fascism we beat in wars and it's not just me who says this. Many do.

 

Oh, and this doesn't mean I'm being heartless and don't care. I've visited the factory where poppies are made and met the people who make them all year round by hand. I wear my poppy every year and most importantly donate money towards the Royal Legion for the great work it does.

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Totally agree, it is disgusting. Seems like this sort of thing is happening all over though, take a look at this web site.

 

http://www.hppoppycampaign.moonfruit.com/my-petition/4548799872

 

Maybe you can do something about it.

 

 

 

 

 

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I see Fifa have told England we can't have poppys on our shirts next weekend. Disgusting

 

I hope we do it anyway and just take the fine

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I have to agree, Remembrance Sunday should be Remembrance Sunday, not remembrance month. Surely the main issue here is raising money to help injured soldiers and soldiers faces problems post-service, not continuous silences.

 

Whilst I agree that the main day is Remembrance Sunday, the point here is that we have an international break so no football will be played next weekend. Yes, the main issue is raising money but two points:

 

1. By putting the issue front and center at a football match - even if a week before the official day - there will be more awareness and more money raised.

2. There is a wider issue to with actually remembering. I would imagine (maybe unfairly) that most people at the games up and down the country yesterday would not attend an official Remembrance service next weekend (whether religious or secular) and therefore asking fans to observe a minute's silence to reflect on the sacrifice of service men and women and more broadly about war as well whilst a 'captive audience' would be a good thing.

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Although I don't agree with the following viewpoint, because I the poppy applies to more than WWI, it is an interesting position ( http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-do-those-who-flaunt-the-poppy-on-their-lapels-know-that-they-mock-the-war-dead-6257416.html ).

 

I think a minutes silence 8 days before is akin to jumping on the bandwagon.

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Although I don't agree with the following viewpoint, because I the poppy applies to more than WWI, it is an interesting position ( http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-do-those-who-flaunt-the-poppy-on-their-lapels-know-that-they-mock-the-war-dead-6257416.html ).

 

I think a minutes silence 8 days before is akin to jumping on the bandwagon.

 

the whole point about all the 'marketing' PR the British Legion does is to get people to jump on the frickin bandwagon. If that means that circa 500,000 football fans stand in silence 8 days before the actual day of remembrance then great. The actual day is irrelevant. It is the remembrance and money raised.

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As a former soldier I wouldnt expect to hold a minutes silence well before remberance Sunday or armistice day . So any saying otherwise is barking up the wrong tree. I will be parading on Friday for a short ceremony outside St Magnus cathedral then attending the remembrance parade and service next sunday, that is this weekend we can and should hold a minutes silence .

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Why stop at criticising Coventry for not having a minutes silence. Neither team had poppies on their shirts either. Valid criticism but not a huge issue. Most of us commemorate Remembrance Sunday in our own way. I personally think it is better to focus on how we commemorate it ourselves rather than worry about what other people are doing or not doing.

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Personally, wearing a poppy has nothing to do with raising money for the RBL, it's about remembering the sacrifice made by that particular generation, especially (for me) my grandfathers fathers & step grandfather, thankfully, all of which came back. Obviously, the monies raised is a welcome addition, but as I said, it's about thanking that generation for their gallantry & stoicism.

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I'm a bit unsure about it. I know it's a good cause, and we should all reflect on the importance of it, but I'm not a big fan of enforced reflection! I'll be honest, while I've read a lot about the wars, thought long and hard about it, and happily go for a moments silence at specific war memorial events, or think about it while watching them on TV, when there's a minutes silence at football, there's only one thing I'm thinking - Please don't let some fcker ruin the minutes silence. So it's a minute's tension, not reflection.
That is an excellent point. I feel that too.
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Personally, wearing a poppy has nothing to do with raising money for the RBL, it's about remembering the sacrifice made by that particular generation, especially (for me) my grandfathers fathers & step grandfather, thankfully, all of which came back. Obviously, the monies raised is a welcome addition, but as I said, it's about thanking that generation for their gallantry & stoicism.

 

This.

 

Personally, I don't think people that sign up to a "war" that we have absolutely no reason to be involved in, should be classed as heroes. The real heroes didn't have a choice, they signed up because it was the calling of their generation, when we were the good guys, fighting an evil dictator hell bent on world domination

 

Which is why I wear a poppy and not a Help For Heroes wrist band.

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Personally, I don't think people that sign up to a "war" that we have absolutely no reason to be involved in, should be classed as heroes. The real heroes didn't have a choice, they signed up because it was the calling of their generation, when we were the good guys, fighting an evil dictator hell bent on world domination

 

Which is why I wear a poppy and not a Help For Heroes wrist band.

 

Perfectly eloquent synopsis of my views there.

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We spend millions sending our young men to die or lose their limbs in the name of national security, yet leave the borders in a position so any terriorist can just walk in in the name of budject cuts. But its OK im wearing a bit of red paper and waiting a minute for the football to start. I'm sorry it doesn't make sense.

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Marsdino

 

each to their own I wear a Help for Heroes wrist band. While i understand your sentiments. It was the Blair government that sent our lads and lasses to iraq and afghan. Some of the stuff they do out there is very Heroic. unlike footballers . popstars who are wrongly labelled heroes.

 

Servicemen are risking their lives in afghan not only for their comrades but the afghan people as well. Maybe you would like me to post some pictures . I also wear two Poppies a scottish one and and english one to remember all servicemen and to give money to RBL Scotland and RBL England and Wales & NI

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Marsdino

 

each to their own I wear a Help for Heroes wrist band. While i understand your sentiments. It was the Blair government that sent our lads and lasses to iraq and afghan. Some of the stuff they do out there is very Heroic. unlike footballers . popstars who are wrongly labelled heroes.

 

Servicemen are risking their lives in afghan not only for their comrades but the afghan people as well. Maybe you would like me to post some pictures . I also wear two Poppies a scottish one and and english one to remember all servicemen and to give money to RBL Scotland and RBL England and Wales & NI

 

Please don't patronise me, we could all post pictures to illustrate our point of view. Why don't you put "civilian deaths in Iraq" or "civilian deaths in Afghanistan" into Google images.

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Marsdino not patronising you apologies if you thought I was . I stand by my comments that it was the Blair gov sent our troops out . There they didn't go by choice. I could put pictures up for you. The military medical services deal with many more civians casualties and normal medical problems trouble is these aspects of our troops are rarely shown . These are the pictures I was referring to . Afghans are killing afghans have been and always will do . In Iraq innocent civilians are still being killed by either Sunni or Shia Muslims . The media over here no longer report those matters . Look at Syria and Bahrain . I was a medic for many years so I happen to know about civilian casualities . As a medic we treated the casualties which ever side they belonged to . So please do not lecture me on civilian casualties . We may disagree on this but we are both saints fans and I respect your view point

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