up and away Posted 12 January, 2012 Share Posted 12 January, 2012 With the exception of Lambert, nobody can hold up play in the same way that LJ potentially can. We tried with Guly at Donny and nothing stuck. Connolly isn't that kind of player and Barney's untested. Good hold up play is the key to getting the best out of our impact players -whether playmakers like Lallana and Guly or runners from deep like Chappers. And of course a big man can get on the end of crosses - and most of our goals this season have come down the flanks. Hopefully Lambert lasts the course. Even if he does, there's no reason why LJ couldn't also play alongside him. I just don't get this, Ricky has never been able to lead the line in this manner. Ricky is very clever in that he will find space where he causes problems, but not going head to head with their centre half. When ever he does lead the line he keeps getting pushed off the ball and is virtually ineffective as to when he drops back or out to the sides. He is getting fouled all the time but the refs are just not blowing for the infringements that you have to expect by now it will never happen. If you look back at the Bristol City game we were crying out for a target man up front to bypass that midfield they had put in front of us, but we just cannot play that way. We have to rely upon passing the ball through teams or an end to getting it out wide, when you come across a Bristol City that is a real struggle and we come unstuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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shurlock Posted 12 January, 2012 Share Posted 12 January, 2012 I just don't get this, Ricky has never been able to lead the line in this manner. Ricky is very clever in that he will find space where he causes problems, but not going head to head with their centre half. When ever he does lead the line he keeps getting pushed off the ball and is virtually ineffective as to when he drops back or out to the sides. He is getting fouled all the time but the refs are just not blowing for the infringements that you have to expect by now it will never happen. If you look back at the Bristol City game we were crying out for a target man up front to bypass that midfield they had put in front of us, but we just cannot play that way. We have to rely upon passing the ball through teams or an end to getting it out wide, when you come across a Bristol City that is a real struggle and we come unstuck. It's a myth that we play predominantly on the deck. We mix it up alot and are often very direct especially when the midfield is getting closed quickly and/or not offering much movement. Both have been a common feature of our away performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 12 January, 2012 Share Posted 12 January, 2012 Then why would we bid for Hooper? For poops and giggles? No idea, I'm just saying I reckon in terms of strikers Lee will be the only one we get this window, hope I'm wrong but i have my doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFSFC Posted 12 January, 2012 Share Posted 12 January, 2012 We have never been after him! We have had 2 bids rejected. I'm good mates with his sister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 12 January, 2012 Share Posted 12 January, 2012 Coventry really are bum-loving their own fans with this sale. Another big club for League One to swallow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 12 January, 2012 Share Posted 12 January, 2012 (edited) Thank God whatever, not of the standard needed. For those that say we need a player to replace Lambert, you're looking for in FM12 is coined a deep lying forward, one that collects the ballat his feet and passes back or sideways, not one who nods it on or 'holds' the ball up. By describing him like this you're making out that we have large gaps between midfield and striker, which is frankly untrue. We need a linking striker, one with good strength but also good composure and passing ability. That is why it was thought Guly could play there, issue is Guly's first touch and passing isn't up to svratch. A good example of a player we could do with would be like Berbatov. Edited 12 January, 2012 by Dibden Purlieu Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 12 January, 2012 Share Posted 12 January, 2012 Thank God whatever, not of the standard needed. For those that say we need a player to replace Lambert, you're looking for in FM12 is coined a deep lying forward, one that collects the ballat his feet and passes back or sideways, not one who nods it on or 'holds' the ball up. By describing him like this you're making out that we have large gaps between midfield and striker, which is frankly untrue. We need a linking striker, one with good strength but also good composure and passing ability. That is why it was thought Guly could play there, issue is Guly's first touch and passing isn't up to svratch. A good example of a player we could do with would be like Berbatov. Yes he'll do!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 12 January, 2012 Share Posted 12 January, 2012 But who needs a 2 million £ replacement,we have Rickie,we have Guly,we now have Lee,then there's Barney,Connolly and we need to give the young men a bit of game time as well, otherwise we'll never know if they're good enough. I'm sure that this would be our reasoning. You may be right, but that is not the logic to push our promotion hopes I'm afraid. Not too disappointed LJ is not joining although will be disappointed if we do not sign a good proven striker this window - Lee is too great a risk to rely on week in week out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 12 January, 2012 Share Posted 12 January, 2012 He's off to Middlesbrough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 12 January, 2012 Share Posted 12 January, 2012 The fact that he is costing £2m shows why you have to look outside of England for a striker. The fee's put on the heads of really average players are mental. I don't rate the kid massively, I think he's just an average championship striker. Nothing special, and if that costs you £2m then no wonder we're looking abroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 12 January, 2012 Share Posted 12 January, 2012 The fact that he is costing £2m shows why you have to look outside of England for a striker. The fee's put on the heads of really average players are mental. I don't rate the kid massively, I think he's just an average championship striker. Nothing special, and if that costs you £2m then no wonder we're looking abroad. English football in a nut shell, such a rip of tax just because they are english. Very glad we aren't bothered with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 12 January, 2012 Share Posted 12 January, 2012 We don't need a deep lying striker - we need a centre forward to lead the line and to play in front of Lambert just like Barnard did last season. Barnard is the closest we have got and I'm not sure we will see him in a Saints shirt again this season until its all but done if at all. Even then he like to go wide and drop deep for the ball. As does Connolly who is too short to lead the line anyway. Both like to play-off a big man as well. Do Prado has the height but is really an attacking midfielder (not a winger either) who is best attacking the box when a centre forward has made the space for him to run in to. And if we're honest Lamberts best position is as a second striker dropping deep to pick up the ball and set up the play or attacking the space behind another striker to score the goals. At the moment we have become very predictable - and a bit one dimensional - with the cross too Lambert at the far post our main route to goal. We're not creating the space in the box for the attacking midfielders/forwards to run in to. I'm just not convinced Tandanari Lee - coming from the J-League - will be the physical presence we need to lead the line. I'm hope I'm wrong. I hope we don't end up regretting Lucas Juktiewitz signing for Middlebrough - and not us come the end of the season. At £2 million he would have made a real difference to us. £2 million for a return of £50 million is good business as well. Players like Sharp and Maynard are probably going to end up in the Premier League at clubs like Norwich or West Brom. Burnley aren't going to sell Jay Rodriguez or Charlie Austin as they don't need the money and are aiming for the play-offs and Gary Hooper won't leave Celtic until the Summer after a treble and that will be for the Premier League (possibly us if we can get there) Juktiewitz was probably the best of the rest - and one of the few that was in our reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 12 January, 2012 Share Posted 12 January, 2012 LJ and Lambert up front wouldnt work. Guly is probably a better player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty's Caddy Posted 12 January, 2012 Share Posted 12 January, 2012 signing for 'boro in the morning SSN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 12 January, 2012 Share Posted 12 January, 2012 Juktiewitz was probably the best of the rest - and one of the few that was in our reach. For what we need now, I think Sharp is our best option, although longer term LJ may be a better prospect. That said, I'd prefer Hooper,but don't believe that will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 12 January, 2012 Share Posted 12 January, 2012 Dig out this thread when Boro get auto promotion and we finish 17th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 12 January, 2012 Share Posted 12 January, 2012 English football in a nut shell, such a rip of tax just because they are english. Very glad we aren't bothered with him Funny, I thought he was Polish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATERSIDEIFASAINT Posted 12 January, 2012 Share Posted 12 January, 2012 Good signing for Boro. Hope we don't regret not signing him come May. My worry is that we target unrealistic signings like Hooper that we haven't got a hope in hells chance of landing unless we are willing to pay top dollar which it appears that we aren't and then on transfer deadline day we look around at more realistic signings to find they've all been snapped up or we've left it too late!! I get a feeling of deja vu in this transfer window like August where we are linked with loads of potential signings including a marquee signing which gets everyones expectations up to be left disappointed come the 1st feb. If we are disappointed come feb 1st then imo NA & NC will be the ones left very disappointed come May when we dont go up if they seriously wanted to go up this year?. A couple of quality signings are essential for us to have a realistic chance of automatic promotion imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 12 January, 2012 Share Posted 12 January, 2012 Funny, I thought he was Polish Yep, Poland annexed Southampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Good signing for Boro. Hope we don't regret not signing him come May. My worry is that we target unrealistic signings like Hooper that we haven't got a hope in hells chance of landing unless we are willing to pay top dollar which it appears that we aren't and then on transfer deadline day we look around at more realistic signings to find they've all been snapped up or we've left it too late!! I get a feeling of deja vu in this transfer window like August where we are linked with loads of potential signings including a marquee signing which gets everyones expectations up to be left disappointed come the 1st feb. If we are disappointed come feb 1st then imo NA & NC will be the ones left very disappointed come May when we dont go up if they seriously wanted to go up this year?. A couple of quality signings are essential for us to have a realistic chance of automatic promotion imo. Agree with all of this. I think we've goofed big-time here. Jutkiewicz is clearly a fast-improving player who would have scored plenty of goals for us in the second-half of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 We don't need a deep lying striker - we need a centre forward to lead the line and to play in front of Lambert just like Barnard did last season. Barnard is the closest we have got and I'm not sure we will see him in a Saints shirt again this season until its all but done if at all. Even then he like to go wide and drop deep for the ball. As does Connolly who is too short to lead the line anyway. Both like to play-off a big man as well. Do Prado has the height but is really an attacking midfielder (not a winger either) who is best attacking the box when a centre forward has made the space for him to run in to. And if we're honest Lamberts best position is as a second striker dropping deep to pick up the ball and set up the play or attacking the space behind another striker to score the goals. At the moment we have become very predictable - and a bit one dimensional - with the cross too Lambert at the far post our main route to goal. We're not creating the space in the box for the attacking midfielders/forwards to run in to. I'm just not convinced Tandanari Lee - coming from the J-League - will be the physical presence we need to lead the line. I'm hope I'm wrong. I hope we don't end up regretting Lucas Juktiewitz signing for Middlebrough - and not us come the end of the season. At £2 million he would have made a real difference to us. £2 million for a return of £50 million is good business as well. Players like Sharp and Maynard are probably going to end up in the Premier League at clubs like Norwich or West Brom. Burnley aren't going to sell Jay Rodriguez or Charlie Austin as they don't need the money and are aiming for the play-offs and Gary Hooper won't leave Celtic until the Summer after a treble and that will be for the Premier League (possibly us if we can get there) Juktiewitz was probably the best of the rest - and one of the few that was in our reach. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You write good stuff, my fellow Wintonian. Sadly our play has indeed become predictable and other teams are stopping the supply from midfield to Lambo on the back stick. We don't seem to know any other way to play right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 I think we may regret not signing LJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 We will only regret it if we don't bring anyone superior in. Although I think he's quite overpriced straight up, when you consider how much other young english talent is going for 1.5m seems like a bargain to me. Time will tell, and fingers crossed we don't regret signing this kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Funny, I thought he was Polish Born in England to Polish parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Don't know much about him as never seen him play but only by reading this thread and many others on here... But reading the bbc page on him moving to Boro his goalscoring record is pretty poor and i'm not too bothered about missing out on him on that note. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Don't know much about him as never seen him play but only by reading this thread and many others on here... But reading the bbc page on him moving to Boro his goalscoring record is pretty poor and i'm not too bothered about missing out on him on that note. Do you not need good players around you to score goals? Some might say that he has done well in a very poor team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Do you not need good players around you to score goals? Some might say that he has done well in a very poor team. I'm not a fan of saying he is not scoring as many due to being in a rubbish team. For example Sharpe at S****horpe and Doncaster has scored fairly consistently when in this division and those two teams are as bad as Coventry have been the last two seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 I'm not a fan of saying he is not scoring as many due to being in a rubbish team. For example Sharpe at S****horpe and Doncaster has scored fairly consistently when in this division and those two teams are as bad as Coventry have been the last two seasons. So, both score goals playing in poor teams. Correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 So, both score goals playing in poor teams. Correct? Jutkiewicz hasnt scored nearly enough for 2m to be splash out in my opinion....I suppose you are correct if you think 9 goals a season at Coventry on average is good for a striker even in a not so good team....I expect that from a midfielder or winger tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Football is a game for people with opinions. The point I am trying to make is that he could be a better player in a better team. I'm not trying to pick an arguement but I have a Coventry pal who rates JL highly and thinks he will become a top player. I tend to trust his judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Football is a game for people with opinions. The point I am trying to make is that he could be a better player in a better team. I'm not trying to pick an arguement but I have a Coventry pal who rates JL highly and thinks he will become a top player. I tend to trust his judgement.Well said Norm Lucas is only 22 and improving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 If LJ does go to Boro it is a bit of a double whammy as not only do we miss out on a great backup to Rickie but Boro also get the type of striker they are missing. They don't have a decent target man at the moment and struggle to score goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Football is a game for people with opinions. The point I am trying to make is that he could be a better player in a better team. I'm not trying to pick an arguement but I have a Coventry pal who rates JL highly and thinks he will become a top player. I tend to trust his judgement. im not argueing..im just giving my opinion. I did once say to a mate that Delgado would be a great signing due to his international record tho...how wrong was I! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 If LJ does go to Boro it is a bit of a double whammy as not only do we miss out on a great backup to Rickie but Boro also get the type of striker they are missing. They don't have a decent target man at the moment and struggle to score goals. Jeezzzz! please explain (he asks for the hundredth time) why we want back up, surely we want better than we have. I can't believe that posters still come on here banging on about back up, have you no ambition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Saint Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Middlesbrough were crying out for a decent target man and now they have got one in LJ watch them finish above us Meanwhile we sign some Japanese striker no-one has heard of who could take months to settle into England and the English game in general In Nige we trust eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 (edited) Middlesbrough were crying out for a decent target man and now they have got one in LJ watch them finish above us Meanwhile we sign some Japanese striker no-one has heard of who could take months to settle into England and the English game in general In Nige we trust eh? 1. The transfer window is far from over. I doubt Lee will be our last signing. 2. I don't understand the hype about Jutkiewicz. He is a decent, but not outstanding player from what I've seen. 3. I would imagine Lee will settle in OK, as far as I've seen Asian players don't experience the culture shock as much as those from, say, South America. Although I am a little worried about the lack of physicality in the J-League. He will need to get savvy quite quickly. Edited 13 January, 2012 by jjsaint Can't spell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Middlesbrough were crying out for a decent target man and now they have got one in LJ watch them finish above us Meanwhile we sign some Japanese striker no-one has heard of who could take months to settle into England and the English game in general In Nige we trust eh? Had you heard of Jos before he signed, or SDR. Let's not judge Lee because "we haven't heard of him". Perhaps give him a chance first. We trusted in Nige with Jos and SDR, no reason not to do so now Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 We don't need a deep lying striker - we need a centre forward to lead the line and to play in front of Lambert just like Barnard did last season. Barnard is the closest we have got and I'm not sure we will see him in a Saints shirt again this season until its all but done if at all. Even then he like to go wide and drop deep for the ball. As does Connolly who is too short to lead the line anyway. Both like to play-off a big man as well. Do Prado has the height but is really an attacking midfielder (not a winger either) who is best attacking the box when a centre forward has made the space for him to run in to. And if we're honest Lamberts best position is as a second striker dropping deep to pick up the ball and set up the play or attacking the space behind another striker to score the goals. At the moment we have become very predictable - and a bit one dimensional - with the cross too Lambert at the far post our main route to goal. We're not creating the space in the box for the attacking midfielders/forwards to run in to. I'm just not convinced Tandanari Lee - coming from the J-League - will be the physical presence we need to lead the line. I'm hope I'm wrong. I hope we don't end up regretting Lucas Juktiewitz signing for Middlebrough - and not us come the end of the season. At £2 million he would have made a real difference to us. £2 million for a return of £50 million is good business as well. Players like Sharp and Maynard are probably going to end up in the Premier League at clubs like Norwich or West Brom. Burnley aren't going to sell Jay Rodriguez or Charlie Austin as they don't need the money and are aiming for the play-offs and Gary Hooper won't leave Celtic until the Summer after a treble and that will be for the Premier League (possibly us if we can get there) Juktiewitz was probably the best of the rest - and one of the few that was in our reach. I could not agree more. Many fans confuse Ricky as this taget man, but that is not the case. I don't know if Lukas J would be the player to make that difference, but he would be an option we have never used before. I have always wanted a couple of options in the window, a pacey skillful striker and a target man who can play against the centre half and win ball. The position the centre forward takes up to win the ball changes the strategy. Played fully up front their midfield can be bypassed and picked up by our midfield coming through. Play that striker further back and it's all in the mix of both midfields with their defence can easily retain shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Middlesbrough were crying out for a decent target man and now they have got one in LJ watch them finish above us Meanwhile we sign some Japanese striker no-one has heard of who could take months to settle into England and the English game in general In Nige we trust eh? I look forward to looking at this post again in a few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Middlesbrough were crying out for a decent target man and now they have got one in LJ watch them finish above us Meanwhile we sign some Japanese striker no-one has heard of who could take months to settle into England and the English game in general In Nige we trust eh? nothing quite like a bit of the old knee and it's good ole jerk hey... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Middlesbrough were crying out for a decent target man and now they have got one in LJ watch them finish above us Meanwhile we sign some Japanese striker no-one has heard of who could take months to settle into England and the English game in general In Nige we trust eh? We cannot sign everyone just to stop every other team improving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 We cannot sign everyone just to stop every other team improving. Although West Ham seem to be taking that approach (if you believe all the transfer rumours that is...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Although West Ham seem to be taking that approach (if you believe all the transfer rumours that is...) Ah West Ham, a month's worth of constant rumours for exactly how many signings to date. At least we've got one definite signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 To be fair they have signed one CB, and look like they'll sign this other Japanese bloke if they can get a work permit for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 13 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Born in England to Polish parents. ...and (I read somewhere) ..an IRISH grandmother. I thought every footballer had an Irish grandmother... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 ...and (I read somewhere) ..an IRISH grandmother. I thought everybody had an Irish grandmother... Fantastic! One of my lot:lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 To be fair they have signed one CB, and look like they'll sign this other Japanese bloke if they can get a work permit for him. I thought we obtained a work permit a day or two ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Has this not been confirmed by Boro yet? Thought it was all but done? Wonder if there's been a Jutkie-hitch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 I was talking about Maeda for WHU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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