Lukas Jutkiewicz.... is he worth signing?

[thorpie the sinner]

yet again, we have a new player is on the bus statement, yet again, it is wrong! Cov papers reporting LJ staying at Ricoh!!! Shame, he would have been a damn fine addition!!!!

[thorpie the sinner]

Reported in Cov telegraph this morning!! Maybe NA will have another rabbit up his sleeve!! Would like to think so, if Ricky or Guly get injured, we are light!!! Still hope for an interesting day, just a shame LJ isnt joining...yet!

[SaintNeil90]

yet again, we have a new player is on the bus statement, yet again, it is wrong! Cov papers reporting LJ staying at Ricoh!!! Shame, he would have been a damn fine addition!!!!

 

Link? The one I just read was from 11th August

[david in sweden]

You seem to suggest that is a problem?

 

well of course, players do have the right to refuse to move - even though they ae under contract, or if they don't like their personal terms...

but we'll know quite soon now ...one way or the other.

[patred44]

I am sure there was something in this (maybe still is)

I am sure the two clubs have 'talked'.

But the deal has to be right for this club, and for the player.

Coventry (or SISU) are desperate for cash, but they cannot expect us cough up just like that.

By going open on this Coventry have put any agreement in jeopardy, knowing how we like to deal with transfers.

I am sure Nicola has offered a fair deal to them, and I believe it to be take it or leave it.

The two clubs have had a colourful relationship at boardroom level ever since Coventry went public over the Ward deal.

That angered our club so much, we pulled out at the last moment.

This 'transfer' has taken the same path.

Whether we pull out again remains to be seen.

[thorpie the sinner]

Link? The one I just read was from 11th August

 

http://t.co/b8entc8K

[Mister Neil]

But it doesn't say that. The opening paragraph is "COVENTRY City manager Andy Thorn appears to have held on to Lukas Jutkiewicz – for the time being – and landed an Aston Villa midfielder ahead of the loan window shutting." and the final paragraphs read "As well as bringing in an extra midfielder, keeping hold of Jutkiewicz will delight Sky Blues supporters.

 

The 22-year-old, who was this week the subject of an inquiry by his home-town club Southampton to join St Mary’s with a view to a permanent move in January, is expected to be in demand from Saints and a host of other clubs when the transfer window opens in January."

 

There is no actual quote saying that he is staying (or moving for that matter), it's speculation on the part of the CET which they have added to the story of a loan signing.

[notnowcato]

I am sure there was something in this (maybe still is)

I am sure the two clubs have 'talked'.

But the deal has to be right for this club, and for the player.

Coventry (or SISU) are desperate for cash, but they cannot expect us cough up just like that.

By going open on this Coventry have put any agreement in jeopardy, knowing how we like to deal with transfers.

I am sure Nicola has offered a fair deal to them, and I believe it to be take it or leave it.

The two clubs have had a colourful relationship at boardroom level ever since Coventry went public over the Ward deal.

That angered our club so much, we pulled out at the last moment.

This 'transfer' has taken the same path.

Whether we pull out again remains to be seen.

 

OR there was nothing in it....

[thorpie the sinner]

But it doesn't say that. The opening paragraph is "COVENTRY City manager Andy Thorn appears to have held on to Lukas Jutkiewicz – for the time being – and landed an Aston Villa midfielder ahead of the loan window shutting." and the final paragraphs read "As well as bringing in an extra midfielder, keeping hold of Jutkiewicz will delight Sky Blues supporters.

 

The 22-year-old, who was this week the subject of an inquiry by his home-town club Southampton to join St Mary’s with a view to a permanent move in January, is expected to be in demand from Saints and a host of other clubs when the transfer window opens in January."

 

There is no actual quote saying that he is staying (or moving for that matter), it's speculation on the part of the CET which they have added to the story of a loan signing.

 

There is an interview with LJ up now as well! Think we will be looking at Jan

[Mister Neil]

There is an interview with LJ up now as well! Think we will be looking at Jan

 

I've read that article too. The salient part is "Asked about the stories linking him with interest from Southampton – the club where he started out as a youngster – Jutkiewicz said: “It’s probably not appropriate for me to comment at the moment."

 

The article does nothing to clarify the position but the comment suggests that something has been going on in the background, otherwise why not just say "I'm going to be a Coventry player until ... "

[Genk]

With the transfer window only being 5 weeks away I can't see us jumping in today to get Lukas unless he is THE striker NA wants. I firmly believe we will go in for Maynard in January and I think he is the right quality to come in having watched him against Millwall.

 

People may say Maynard isn't cover for Lambert, but say RL was injured for 3/4weeks in Feb time, I would still fancy the combo of Maynard, Guly, Connolly and Barnard to score plenty of goals in that period.

[supersonic]

Jordan sibley on twitter: Gaffer confirms paper rumours regarding Jutkiewicz interest are well wide of the mark. Not expecting any loan movements today #saintsfc

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Good if this isn't happening. I think we can last until the January window, and at least we won't be forced to play an expensive addition that could knock the harmony out of the side. Plus he's not particularly good, and should not be the type of player we are looking for.

[david in sweden]

Good if this isn't happening. I think we can last until the January window, and at least we won't be forced to play an expensive addition that could knock the harmony out of the side.

Plus he's not particularly good, and should not be the type of player we are looking for.

 

 

well I do hope you're right Dibden

..there are 21 points to be had before January and a serious injury problem up front could cost us the fantastic lead we have built up so far.....

[saint1977]

Jordan sibley on twitter: Gaffer confirms paper rumours regarding Jutkiewicz interest are well wide of the mark. Not expecting any loan movements today #saintsfc

 

I'm less worried about the L-J story and much concerned about the last part of Sibley's statement - we are still at least a centre half short and if we get bans or injuries we could be stuffed.

[Window Cleaner]

I'm less worried about the L-J story and much concerned about the last part of Sibley's statement - we are still at least a centre half short and if we get bans or injuries we could be stuffed.

 

We have Martin in reserve and Cork could play there again if absolutely necessary.We're 5 weeks away from January and

don't need anyone who isn't at least as good as the options that we have.Can't be too many players of the level required to be

a first team candidate at Saints available for loan.If we needed a loan I guess we'd have got one way back..oh we did with Jos,

It's not as if the loan possibility only opened yesterday is it.

[Window Cleaner]

well I do hope you're right Dibden

..there are 21 points to be had before January and a serious injury problem up front could cost us the fantastic lead we have built up so far.....

 

Look at Rickie's injury record. I think he's missed something like 2 games in 4 years,he's an armour plated tank and it's pretty evident he's got self-preservation down to a fine art.

If he should have to miss a game we have the ressources to adapt,play another system with Barney as a focal point,if we ever

get that desperate we could always do what Palace did, throw Butters on up front and let him get a hat-trick.

Edited 24 November, 2011 by Window Cleaner

[saint1977]

We have Martin in reserve and Cork could play there again if absolutely necessary.We're 5 weeks away from January and

don't need anyone who isn't at least as good as the options that we have.Can't be too many players of the level required to be

a first team candidate at Saints available for loan.If we needed a loan I guess we'd have got one way back..oh we did with Jos,

It's not as if the loan possibility only opened yesterday is it.

 

Martin has always impressed me but that's only one CB in reserve and Fonte and Jos could pick up bans or injuries before then. Anyway, Jos was brought in BEFORE Dan sustained his horrific injuries in Soton City Centre.

 

Cork struggled at Palace and hasn't really got the height or physical presence if we come up against a Darius Henderson-type opponent. We don't need a superstar but an up-and-coming PL young CB would give us enough cover until Seaborne is ready again and/or the window. We could get an emergency loan if it came to it but surely you'd want them to be more embedded in our organisation and systems?

[Window Cleaner]

Martin has always impressed me but that's only one CB in reserve and Fonte and Jos could pick up bans or injuries before then. Anyway, Jos was brought in BEFORE Dan sustained his horrific injuries in Soton City Centre.

 

Cork struggled at Palace and hasn't really got the height or physical presence if we come up against a Darius Henderson-type opponent. We don't need a superstar but an up-and-coming PL young CB would give us enough cover until Seaborne is ready again and/or the window. We could get an emergency loan if it came to it but surely you'd want them to be more embedded in our organisation and systems?

 

It would seem that the management don't agree with you though. Perhaps Jaidi is well on the road to recovery, it was only an arthroscopy after all and that was weeks back.

[david in sweden]

Look at Rickie's injury record. I think he's missed something like 2 games in 4 years,he's an armour plated tank and it's pretty evident he's got self-preservation down to a fine art.

If he should have to miss a game we have the resources to adapt,play another system with Barney as a focal point,if we ever

get that desperate we could always do what Palace did, throw Butters on up front and let him get a hat-trick.

 

I wasn't thinking in terms of the " normal " footballing injuries; hamstring, groin strains and ankle taps... but serious things that keep people out for months like; knee ligaments, achilles even broken bones.

They happen by accident and have nothing to do with fitness or recurring injuries. IMO Guly is great, but he has needed subbing in almost every game he's started this season, and rightly so but he's not a 95 minute player like Ricky.

 

 

Much as I shine to the idea of the " Roy of the Rovers " scenario you wrote about ..Butterfield did that once ..in a Cup game. Don't see him or anyone else doing that on a regular basis.

Edited 24 November, 2011 by david in sweden

[Window Cleaner]

I wasn't thinking in terms of the " normal " footballing injuries; hamstring, groin strains and ankle taps... but serious things that keep people out for months like; knee ligaments, achilles even broken bones.

They happen by accident and have nothing to do with fitness or recurring injuries. IMO Guly is great, but he has needed subbing in almost every game he's started this season, and rightly so but he's not a 95 minute player like Ricky.

 

 

Much as I shine to the idea of the " Roy of the Rovers " scenario you wrote about ..Butterfield did that once ..in a Cup game. Don't see him or anyone else doing that on a regular basis.

 

Not the point, we have options, we could always throw one of our CM quartet forward if we got desperate,they're all big tough lads who'd cause defences problems in the short term.The management have decided we don't need anyone else and that should be good enough for all of us.

[david in sweden]

Not the point, we have options, we could always throw one of our CM quartet forward if we got desperate,they're all big tough lads who'd cause defences problems in the short term.

The management have decided we don't need anyone else and that should be good enough for all of us.

 

 

There are a lot of things we could do ; Window Cleaner...and some of them might work ..in the short term, but sooner (rather than later) we need to get a Ricly " clone " who can be prepared to be the alternative

big man up front, None of the existing names mentioned seem to fit the bill.... and of course we hope the management have got it right.. I really do, but history often tells another story ....

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

There are a lot of things we could do ; Window Cleaner...and some of them might work ..in the short term, but sooner (rather than later) we need to get a Ricly " clone " who can be prepared to be the alternative

big man up front, None of the existing names mentioned seem to fit the bill.... and of course we hope the management have got it right.. I really do, but history often tells another story ....

 

My point is why do you think that he can do Lamberts job? And why do you think him doing Lamberts job is better than a tweak to the system with Barnard in? LJ is nowhere near the player that Lambert is.

[st alex]

Not the point, we have options, we could always throw one of our CM quartet forward if we got desperate,they're all big tough lads who'd cause defences problems in the short term.The management have decided we don't need anyone else and that should be good enough for all of us.

 

Surely the whole point is not to get desperate. Lukas has scored far more goals this season than Maynard or Rodriguez so he's clearly not a bad player.

 

Lambert will be 30 in February, Connolly is 34 and very injury prone, Barnard (still untested at this level) has been injured most of the season and could go to prison, Guly is inconistent. Forte is warming the bench for Preston in the division below. So of the 4 strikers actually at the club at least 1 has always been injured, it will only take one more injury/suspension and we'll be down to the bare bones.

 

I think it's worth bringing a promising young striker into the squad, and if he's a saints fan then even better. From what I've seen of him he's big and strong and fairly quick with decent techinique and I think he could go on to progress further.

[Windmill Arm 2]

Surely the whole point is not to get desperate. Lukas has scored far more goals this season than Maynard or Rodriguez so he's clearly not a bad player.

 

Lambert will be 30 in February, Connolly is 34 and very injury prone, Barnard (still untested at this level) has been injured most of the season and could go to prison, Guly is inconistent. Forte is warming the bench for Preston in the division below. So of the 4 strikers actually at the club at least 1 has always been injured, it will only take one more injury/suspension and we'll be down to the bare bones.

 

I think it's worth bringing a promising young striker into the squad, and if he's a saints fan then even better. From what I've seen of him he's big and strong and fairly quick with decent techinique and I think he could go on to progress further.

Barnard WILL NOT go to prison, don't be such a hysterical tart !!!

[Window Cleaner]

Barnard WILL NOT go to prison, don't be such a hysterical tart !!!

 

Lets face it by the time his case actually gets to court his playing days will be over,or hitting people outside nightclubs will be acceptable post-holocaust behaviour..

[st alex]

Barnard WILL NOT go to prison, don't be such a hysterical tart !!!

 

I've no knowledge of his legal issues, so ignore that, but my point still stands that we have 4 strikers at the club at the moment, and at least one has always been injured. So an extra stiker would be useful.

[LostBoys]

The Echo strikes again courtesy of the Coventry Telegraph - all now denied by Nigel on the OS

[david in sweden]

Surely the whole point is not to get desperate. Lukas has scored far more goals this season than Maynard or Rodriguez so he's clearly not a bad player.

 

Lambert will be 30 in February, Connolly is 34 and very injury prone, Barnard (still untested at this level) has been injured most of the season and could go to prison, Guly is inconistent. Forte is warming the bench for Preston in the division below. So of the 4 strikers actually at the club at least 1 has always been injured, it will only take one more injury/suspension and we'll be down to the bare bones.

 

I think it's worth bringing a promising young striker into the squad, and if he's a saints fan then even better. From what I've seen of him he's big and strong and fairly quick with decent techinique and I think he could go on to progress further.

 

 

Whilst I agree with most of your text, it has unfortunately been devalued by someone (there's always one ) ...who picked on your phrase about Barnard..and ...prison !

We all hope it might be probation or community service....but people have got inside for less than ABH, so no-one can say for certain.

 

As for the rest of your contribition - I agree 100%

[david in sweden]

My point is why do you think that he can do Lamberts job? And why do you think him doing Lamberts job is better than a tweak to the system with Barnard in? LJ is nowhere near the player that Lambert is.

 

Why do you think he can't?. He's playing in a sh*t awful side at the bottom of the league and yet would be second highest goalscorer if he were in our squad.

 

Personally, I always want to see at least one big man up front but without Lambert we'd be very short of height and aggression up front.

Agreed Guly is just over 6 foot, but he's not a 90 minute player and NA has subbed him almost every game so far, presumably to rest him up.

 

Whoever we eventually sign will be an aggresive striker between 22 -25 who will develop and be a force in the future. Guly is already close to 30 and will have a short shelf life in the Prem.

[Dalek2003]

Unsurprisingly no new player has arrived. We have enough to finish mid table and that will be enough to meet the target set in the summer.

[Tom28]

I'm not sure we need to worry about RL not being available...the guy is a freak. He's missed 2 league games in 4 and a half years - that's unbelievable.

[captainchris]

Unsurprisingly no new player has arrived. We have enough to finish mid table and that will be enough to meet the target set in the summer.

 

The target has moved don't you know..................Personally a bit worried that we are thin on the ground up front and though I have no complaints about this year - God who could have - I am concerned ......but hell - Nigel seems very cool so why should I worry lol ???

[sfc4prem]

We're really not that far away from January. I am willing to bet my monthly wage packet that Rickie lasts until the opening of the window on New Years Day.

[david in sweden]

Unsurprisingly no new player has arrived.

We have enough to finish mid table and that will be enough to meet the target set in the summer.

 

 

really Dalek,

NOT having signed anyone may be a disappointment for some, but If Nigel is happy so should we be, I suppose ...

BUT I can't believe anyone would write a sentence like that ...enough to finish mid table !

 

Being 5 points clear PLUS a good goal difference, surely most people are anticipating promotion and not losing form, do you really expect us to suddenly falter and drop down 10 places down the league ...?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Why do you think he can't?. He's playing in a sh*t awful side at the bottom of the league and yet would be second highest goalscorer if he were in our squad.

 

Personally, I always want to see at least one big man up front but without Lambert we'd be very short of height and aggression up front.

Agreed Guly is just over 6 foot, but he's not a 90 minute player and NA has subbed him almost every game so far, presumably to rest him up.

 

Whoever we eventually sign will be an aggresive striker between 22 -25 who will develop and be a force in the future. Guly is already close to 30 and will have a short shelf life in the Prem.

 

I think he can't, because he's not very good. A lot of his goals come from penalties.

 

And LJ will definitely not be a force in the future.

[david in sweden]

We're really not that far away from January.

I am willing to bet my monthly wage packet that Rickie lasts until the opening of the window on New Years Day.

 

......and hopefully a long time after that ...

[david in sweden]

 

I think he can't, because he's not very good............on present form he's as good as the other Saints strikers ....even in a v.poor side.

 

A lot of his goals come from penalties.................... so do a lot of Ricky Lambert's !

 

And LJ will definitely not be a force in the future...... that remains to be seen - doesn't it.

 

 

my comments in thick type

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

my comments in thick type

 

I think we'll have to agree to disagree. Feel free to bring this thread back up when LJ is taking the Prem by storm...

[st alex]

I think he can't, because he's not very good. A lot of his goals come from penalties.

 

And LJ will definitely not be a force in the future.

 

Remember that Lambert was struggling to make an impression at Macclesfield & Stockport when he was a young player with a less than impressive goal ratio. Only time will tell.

[NickG]

Remember that Lambert was struggling to make an impression at Macclesfield & Stockport when he was a young player with a less than impressive goal ratio. Only time will tell.

 

he wasn't a forward.

[Window Cleaner]

he wasn't a forward.

 

Amazing the number of times all these Jutkiewicz followers have to be told that.Probably all the kiddies in his sister's class.

[Joey-deacons-left-nut]

I bet he's bang up for tomorrows game :)

[david in sweden]

I think we'll have to agree to disagree. QUOTE

 

That's a democratic way to view things, except that my main point, going back to the January window 2010 - was that we do not have back-up for Lambert, who fortunately hasn't had so many injury problems - until now. Personally I have no strong feelings about any of the candidates previously mentioned, except that had we loaned LJ, we'd have had a month or so to look at him and make the decision process a bit easier come January.

I still have faith in a fully fit Connolly and a fully fit Barnard (pending the judges decision) but neither of them is a Lambert "replacement" should we be without him for a prolonged period.

 

 

 

Feel free to bring this thread back up when LJ is taking the Prem by storm... QUOTE

 

I don't necesarily think that Lukas (who I didn't suggest we BUY, but loan)...was of Premiership standard.

I'm not 100% that Lambert is Prem.standard -either ...are you ?.....but we definitely need a longer term solution for a big man up front.

It may be that in time, LJ will develop into a good striker...but as you used the expression ..taking the the Premiership by storm...do you have an example of some Prem. players who are doing that right now...? Liverpool's £35 million Andy Carroll perhaps,or the now anonymous Chelsea striker who cost them £50 million?

 

Lambert (sadly) won't be the man at the top for much longer maybe 1-2 seasons max., and we have to think about possible replacements NOW ..and not the day after (!) ..in some sort of panic when every club will double the fee when they know it's us in the sh*t!.

I don't want us to sign LJ (in particular). I'm quite happy to go along with Nigel Adkins' choice - but he has to make one - and soon.

 

Meantime there are still 15 points to be won - or lost between now and December 31st.

Not having back-up for Lambert (though I hope he's fit enough to play today) could be a costly error if we are without him during that period.

Edited 3 December, 2011 by david in sweden

[saintmatt]

Just equalised against skates, legend

[the saint in winchester]

From David in Sweden

Meantime there are still 15 points to be won - or lost between now and December 31st.

Not having back-up for Lambert (though I hope he's fit enough to play today) could be a costly error if we are without him during that period.

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You are already right, David. Our whole play is based around Lambert. Without him we look like a jelly that hasn't set.

[St Chalet]

We're really not that far away from January. I am willing to bet my monthly wage packet that Rickie lasts until the opening of the window on New Years Day.

 

What are your lottery numbers so I can pick from the remainder?

[david in sweden]

We're really not that far away from January.

I am willing to bet my monthly wage packet that Rickie lasts until the opening of the window on New Years Day.

 

 

your faith in Ricky (and the team) is admirable, but I bet you 're glad you didn't ! I mean ..you didn't ...did you ?

Edited 3 December, 2011 by david in sweden

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/9444066.Boro_in_for_former_Saints_target/

 

Boro have gone back in for Lukas according to the Echo. Is he now a "former... target" or is he firmly back in our sights if the tweet about Maynard and Sharp is accurate? Pilchards, any news on LJ?

[hypochondriac]

I have heard we were never in for lukas. He is desperate to come to us and has been trying to get a move since we were in league one. We have turned him down every time.