James Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 I think most on here are agreed that an extra striker in the squad would be a good thing. Lukas seems highly rated by most Cov fans and many on here wouldn't have been disappointed if he'd have joined in the summer. If he is the man Adkins wants then I for one have 100% faith, plus he'd initially only be on loan so we'd have a bit of insurance so to speak. The fact that he's a Saints fan should be irrelevant to our decision to sign him BUT the fact that he is means we can expect 110% from him every week and the likelihood of him upsetting the apple cart is, in my opinion, slim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 Gone a bit quiet on this, so far this morning. Sounds like the work of Cortese! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 He was a handleful up at Coventry. Everytime he got the ball, he looked threatening due to his size and power. I would welcome the signing. He is still young and with the confidence Adkins and the staff manage to install in the players, I think he could be a useful signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 For the love of god can one of the admins change the title of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 He was a handleful up at Coventry. Everytime he got the ball, he looked threatening due to his size and power. I would welcome the signing. He is still young and with the confidence Adkins and the staff manage to install in the players, I think he could be a useful signing. But how would we use him exactly? We have Lambert who usually stays pretty fit and has missed about 1 league game in the 2 and a half seasons he's been here. Guly is our engineer in the attack and then there's Barney.If you go LJ and RL you'd have to lose Guly and that would be extremely negative from the construction angle because Guly is wasted out wide.RL won't tolerate being benched so bringing LJ here right now would be just another bench candidate,we already have largely enough of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 For the love of god can one of the admins change the title of this thread. Wort is very necessary,in fact wort is probably worth more than Jutkiewitz just now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 Maybe Juke is seen as a long term replacement for Rickie who might only have a couple of years left in him at the top level. Seems like the players we're getting in are ones for the term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 * long term Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 But how would we use him exactly? We have Lambert who usually stays pretty fit and has missed about 1 league game in the 2 and a half seasons he's been here. Lambert plays 90 minutes nearly every game because we don't have anyone else who can perform the same sort of role. It would be nice to be able to take him off and give him a rest every so often. Juke would enable us to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 But how would we use him exactly? We have Lambert who usually stays pretty fit and has missed about 1 league game in the 2 and a half seasons he's been here. Guly is our engineer in the attack and then there's Barney.If you go LJ and RL you'd have to lose Guly and that would be extremely negative from the construction angle because Guly is wasted out wide.RL won't tolerate being benched so bringing LJ here right now would be just another bench candidate,we already have largely enough of those. No reason he cant be used in the same way Morgan is (NA isn't afraid to make subs around the hour mark); and moving Guly wide doesn't mean he goes from hero to zero (our 'wide' men play quite tucked in and have opportunities to influence games from a central position). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 Maynard for me looks the perfect striker. He would give us additional options that could make the team even better. I don't view Jutkieiwcz in the same light, but would view his signing as an absolute no brainer. If he never got to play that would indicate Ricky just keeps hitting the net and we have the luxury of that cover. If we are playing him it would mean a definite need, just an absolute win win for our current position. This has all the hallmarks of a very shrewd signing that's all about under pinning promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 No reason he cant be used in the same way Morgan is (NA isn't afraid to make subs around the hour mark); and moving Guly wide doesn't mean he goes from hero to zero (our 'wide' men play quite tucked in and have opportunities to influence games from a central position). Morgan,Hammond and Cork is a completely different situation.They've each been starting 2 games out of 3 for a fair while now. This week it should be Hammond's turn to be on the bench,Rickie wouldn't stand for that, he obviously wants to start every game.If we start messing him around on that the transfer request will be on the door-mat within hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 For the love of god can one of the admins change the title of this thread. The original title was a multi-use title. Up until Lukas signs, if he signs, we could presume the word was meant to be "worth". If he joined and was subsequently cr*p, the assumption could've been "worst". I vote restore the original title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 (edited) Morgan,Hammond and Cork is a completely different situation.They've each been starting 2 games out of 3 for a fair while now. This week it should be Hammond's turn to be on the bench,Rickie wouldn't stand for that, he obviously wants to start every game.If we start messing him around on that the transfer request will be on the door-mat within hours. As you say, none of Morgan, Hammond and Cork can take starting for granted now - something which doesn't apply to Lambert; but this is a recent change. Prior to that Morgan would come on with 30 or so mins and either freshen things up or give us better ball retention - no reason why LJ can't be used in this way. At any rate, while Guly and DC have played very well up top, I still think there's a striking berth up for grabs, especially as there are other ways of incorporating the likes of Guly. Can't underestimate how much of our play depends on the diagonal ball from the fullbacks -and anyone who can come on for Lambert in the closing stages or provide another target if he's being covered adds value in my book. Lambert would arguably welcome LJ, not least because he would quite enjoy picking up/playing off somebody else's knock-downs where he can use his guile on the ball and get into shooting positions rather than always being the selfless target man. Edited 23 November, 2011 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 As you say, none of Morgan, Hammond and Cork can take starting for granted now - something which doesn't apply to Lambert; but this is a recent change. Prior to that Morgan would come on with 30 or so mins and either freshen things up or give us better ball retention - no reason why LJ can't be used in this way. At any rate, while Guly and DC have played very well up top, I still think there's a striking berth up for grabs, especially as there are other ways of incorporating the likes of Guly. Can't underestimate how much of our play depends on the diagonal ball from the fullbacks -and anyone who can come on for Lambert in the closing stages or provide another target if he's being covered adds value in my book. Lambert would arguably welcome LJ, not least because he would quite enjoy picking up/playing off somebody else's knock-downs where he can use his guile on the ball and get into shooting positions rather than being the selfless target man. I'd quite like to see us sign a player like LJ because I think it would give us the bit of punch we need and it would also alleviate the necessity for both CBs to come forward systematically for set pieces.I fear however that Guly would be sacrificed and that we just can't afford that right now as he is our principal playmaker. Perhaps when AL is fully match fit it would be an option but not on Saturday's showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 A few on here are saying they'd rather have Maynard, but him and LJ seem different players to me. The thing about Juke-can'tbearsedtospellit-itz is that he is quite a big lad and as I said way back in post 29 of this thread, LJ is an understudy/possible eventual replacement for Lambert. Maynard is too short to be that. He'd be more of a player to go alongside Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 He was a handleful up at Coventry. Everytime he got the ball, he looked threatening due to his size and power. I would welcome the signing. He is still young and with the confidence Adkins and the staff manage to install in the players, I think he could be a useful signing. He really gave Jos a torrid time and held the ball up extremely well. I see him as a better option than JayRod for less money and more proven quality. He could play with Lambert and play his role if he was injured / suspended. Plus he is still very young and has alot of developing still to do. As a comparison, I would say he looks better than Beattie did at the same age and could be one hell of a player by the time he is 25. Particularly playing for his hometown club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 Fantastic signing!!!!! if it happens In NA we trust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinNY Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 If we get Jutkiewicz (any news on that, btw?), it'll surely be as a complementary, bench player in the first instance. There's no reason to break up the Lambert/Guly partnership up front, which has been so successful, and I don't see Adkins doing that. But, as many have pointed out over and over (myself included) since before the season started: we rely very heavily on Lambert and have no real cover for him. He plays every game and just about every minute of every game, and we can't just expect that to continue all season. We really, really need someone who can spell Rickie for the last 10-15 minutes of games that are pretty much in the bag, and to fill in for him now & then if/when he gets a bit jaded and needs a rest; and above all, someone who can replace him should he (lambert) get injured! And that is surely what Adkins is looking for in being so interested in the likes of Jutkiewicz (and Rodriguez for that matter): a big, strong, young striker who can give Rickie a bit of a rest now & then, and cover for him in case of injury. And eventually, in a few years (Rickie's no spring chicken after all) replace him, perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 As much as it could be to give Rickie a rest, it could also be to play alongside him when the situation dictates. If we are chasing games or we're playing against sides with smaller centre halves who Rickie and Jutkiewicz could both bully then it'd be great to have this option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 For those saying we dont need him: *He currently plays for Coventry... even being on our bench and being used sparing, like Morgan, is better than that. *He is young and will develop into his prime as Lambert is coming to the end of his career. *He wont play? He will be used in our squad rotation system, which keeps all our players fresh. *If Lambert is injured, Lukas would be a better replacement than Guly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 Bring him in. I think after the Hooiveld signing, people will wait we see how he fits in before making a judgement on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 For those saying we dont need him: *He currently plays for Coventry... even being on our bench and being used sparing, like Morgan, is better than that. *He is young and will develop into his prime as Lambert is coming to the end of his career. *He wont play? He will be used in our squad rotation system, which keeps all our players fresh. *If Lambert is injured, Lukas would be a better replacement than Guly. Totally agree! Think he would be a fantastic signing within the structure of our squad ethic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 Just out of interest how do RL and LJ compare stats wise when RL was at the same stage of his career? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketphilly Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 Maybe Juke is seen as a long term replacement for Rickie who might only have a couple of years left in him at the top level. Seems like the players we're getting in are ones for the term. Don't think he's ever played at the top level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 Don't think he's ever played at the top level. He hasn't but when we get to the top level he'll only have a couple of years at the top level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 Just out of interest how do RL and LJ compare stats wise when RL was at the same stage of his career? 1998–2000 Blackpool 3 (0) 2001–2002 Macclesfield Town 44 (8 ) 2002–2005 Stockport County 98 (18 ) Lambert was at Stockport at the age of 22. Jutkiewicz so far... 2005–2007 Swindon Town 38 (5) 2007–2010 Everton 1 (0) 2008 → Plymouth Argyle (loan) 3 (0) 2009 → Huddersfield Town (loan) 7 (0) 2009–2010 → Motherwell (loan) 33 (12) 2010– Coventry City 60 (16) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 From what I have seen Lambert has more control, technique and a confident mature football brain. Bearing in mind Jutkiewicz is only 22, I think he will develop into a better player than Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 From what I have seen Lambert has more control, technique and a confident mature football brain. Bearing in mind Jutkiewicz is only 22, I think he will develop into a better player than Lambert. But to be honest Lambert has developed into a better player than some/most of us thought he would.Don't find many players who are getting better and better at 29 going on 30,perhaps because he was underexploited by previous coaches and managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 23 November, 2011 Author Share Posted 23 November, 2011 The original title was a multi-use title. Up until Lukas signs' date=' if he signs, we could presume the word was meant to be "worth". If he joined and was subsequently cr*p, the assumption could've been "worst". I vote restore the original title.[/quote'] Well of course, it was my fault in the first place. I was intrigued by the amount of publicity that he had received, seemingly out of nowhere, whilst everyone else was screaming Maynard.. JayRod ..etc, that I wanted to hear what others knew about him. Of course a lot more info. came to light afterwards, but in the haste of typing the title, my knarled old fingers missed the vital " h" ...I wanted to say "worth " ...and I didn't see it until it was printed and I couldn't change it afterwards. There I'm GUILTY ! OK everyone ? If he does sign and he's cr*p ..don't come back and blame me.....I was only asking the question. If he turns out to be a great success, then Nigel Adkins will rightly get the credit for a good signing that didn't cost us £5 million . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 23 November, 2011 Author Share Posted 23 November, 2011 1998–2000 Blackpool 3 (0) 2001–2002 Macclesfield Town 44 (8 ) 2002–2005 Stockport County 98 (18 ) Lambert was at Stockport at the age of 22. Jutkiewicz so far... 2005–2007 Swindon Town 38 (5) 2007–2010 Everton 1 (0) 2008 → Plymouth Argyle (loan) 3 (0) 2009 → Huddersfield Town (loan) 7 (0) 2009–2010 → Motherwell (loan) 33 (12) 2010– Coventry City 60 (16) so we are saying that at age of 22 ....Ricky had played 145 games and scored 26 goals, whereas at the same age Lukas has played 142 games and scored 33 goals. NO ..I'm not going to say it .. but someone with a crystal ball can tell us how many he will have scored by the time he reaches 29 ..right ?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 so we are saying that at age of 22 ....Ricky had played 145 games and scored 26 goals, whereas at the same age Lukas has played 142 games and scored 33 goals. NO ..I'm not going to say it .. but someone with a crystal ball can tell us how many he will have scored by the time he reaches 29 ..right ?. Lambert started out as a midfielder most early age goal stats are irrelevant . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 Like many lower league players I've hardly heard of him to be perfectly honest, but I see his manager is in the Echo today saying he's desperate to keep him. Now we all know football managers seldom admit that they want rid of a particular player, but I get the impression Coventry really do think this lad can play a bit. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we don't get the chance to see for ourselves before very long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 23 November, 2011 Author Share Posted 23 November, 2011 Like many lower league players I've hardly heard of him to be perfectly honest, but I see his manager is in the Echo today saying he's desperate to keep him. Now we all know football managers seldom admit that they want rid of a particular player, but I get the impression Coventry really do think this lad can play a bit. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we don't get the chance to see for ourselves before very long. I think this is standard " managerial double-talk " to protect his back against angry fans who lose their star player. Obviously, it is a financial matter for the CCFC Board, but the manager doesn't want to be blamed if their already bad form ends up worsening even more. " what can I do, it was out of my hands...." it might save his job but they will still be relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 Seems Cov fans think he is off to us. Just added him on twitter and city fans wishing him well with us and thanking him for his goals and effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 Seems Cov fans think he is off to us. Just added him on twitter and city fans wishing him well with us and thanking him for his goals and effort. The reality is they know as much as us ie. not much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 Just think how much Rickie Lambert has improved as a player over the last 2 and bit seasons. If Juke can show anywhere near the same progression then by the time he's 25 we could have one hell of a player on our hands. Obviously though right now, he would have to settle for back-up because I don't think he's there yet. I'm not sure about the Maynard love in tbh, I know he's had injuries but I think if he is really that good then at his age he would have made the step up by now. JayRod would still be my first choice, but I would welcome Lukas with open arms for the potential that he undoubtedly has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 Seems Cov fans think he is off to us. Just added him on twitter and city fans wishing him well with us and thanking him for his goals and effort. "Cheers everyone for their kind messages, much appreciated". Lukas' tweet from a few minutes ago. MOTWYW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 Just think how much Rickie Lambert has improved as a player over the last 2 and bit seasons. If Juke can show anywhere near the same progression then by the time he's 25 we could have one hell of a player on our hands. Obviously though right now, he would have to settle for back-up because I don't think he's there yet. I'm not sure about the Maynard love in tbh, I know he's had injuries but I think if he is really that good then at his age he would have made the step up by now. JayRod would still be my first choice, but I would welcome Lukas with open arms for the potential that he undoubtedly has.I agree with this and he will allow NA to rest Rickie from time to time, ATM he seems to be the only player (apart from Davis) that has to play 90 minutes in every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singeon Sears Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 If he is 22 (can't recall if i am right) and is scoring goals for a club currently struggling then the indications look promising. I suspect some are underwhelmed compared to other names mentioned eg Maynard etc, but at his age he could well become better than the others by the time he gets to their age. I am assuming Maynard is older of course - in fact this is probably my worst post from a research perspective. But i haven't researched because its currently just rumour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thornhill_saints Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 From the Man himself @LukeyjukeLukas Jutkiewicz Cheers everyone for their kind messages, much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batterseasaint Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 Been doing a bit of online research about this. Looking at Lukeyjuke's Twitter, there are plenty of 'kind messages' but many of them relate to him scoring last night, as well as messages from Saints and Cov fans. So although it looks like he may be his way somewhere, it is hardly conclusive proof. The Cov boards all seem convinced he is on his way, most likely because their manager basically said he was off. They also seem convinced he is coming to us. I had a look at the Boro board and they all seem to think that he is definitely not coming to them. In fact, there are reports of them trying to sign a young striker from Carlisle. But on the other hand Simon Peach, a PA reporter and Saints fan, is saying that the rumours about us being in for him are a smokescreen released by Cov to try and get Boro to come back in for him/ up their bid. In short, no-one knows anything and we are unlikely to until any news is released by the club. But it does seem, if Andy Thorn is correct and he is definitely leaving, that we are the most likely destination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 so we are saying that at age of 22 ....Ricky had played 145 games and scored 26 goals, whereas at the same age Lukas has played 142 games and scored 33 goals. NO ..I'm not going to say it .. but someone with a crystal ball can tell us how many he will have scored by the time he reaches 29 ..right ?. RL was a CM until well into his career - as soon as played upfront started scoring for fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 He will go to Boro i reckon, apparently the saints story was released by Coventry to try to drive price up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 The Cov boards all seem convinced he is on his way, most likely because their manager basically said he was off. They also seem convinced he is coming to us. . But on the other hand Simon Peach, a PA reporter and Saints fan, is saying that the rumours about us being in for him are a smokescreen released by Cov to try and get Boro to come back in for him/ up their bid. In short, no-one knows anything and we are unlikely to until any news is released by the club. But it does seem, if Andy Thorn is correct and he is definitely leaving, that we are the most likely destination. He will go to Boro i reckon, apparently the saints story was released by Coventry to try to drive price up To add to the rumour NA was at Coventry last night for their match. But before we read too much into that, worth remembering he was also watching Charlie Austin's last match for Swindon before he left them.... not to join us. What odds an 11.23PM announcement ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 He will go to Boro i reckon, apparently the saints story was released by Coventry to try to drive price up That seems to be the pattern that was set in the summer. We were going to sign more or less everyone, but signed none as far as strikers go ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 That seems to be the pattern that was set in the summer. We were going to sign more or less everyone, but signed none as far as strikers go ! You seem to suggest that is a problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 The Juke truth Spoke to my good friend who is a journalist. Juke will be off on loan pending Thorn can get a replacement in by the deadline tomorrow. Saints have offered a decent sum in SISU's eyes and if they cannot complete tomorrow then the transfer fee offered in Jan will be lower. SISU have been touted a number of our players to various clubs. Wood, Cranie, Clinigan and Eastwood have been offered to a number of clubs in an attempt to raise money. Now raising this money is an interesting thing. Is this for the club debts or for SISU's pockets? I won't answer than one but i can hazard a guess. The current crop of players have been given extended contracts to help make them more valuable in terms of the sell off coming this season. All in all folks then next 8 weeks will see the end of this team for good. SISU are on a path of destruction of our club and will take every last penny out of this club for their own benefit. Post lifted from a Cov site. This fella seems to think it is us after all. Could be BS but worth bringing to the table, I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 You seem to suggest that is a problem? It will be once the winter and injuries set in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 Post lifted from a Cov site. This fella seems to think it is us after all. Could be BS but worth bringing to the table' date=' I thought.[/quote'] Cheers for posting that, mate. After the Baldock stuff on the MK Don's forum, I'll only get excited when it's on the OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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