1976_Child Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 "Saothampton are not riding high because of loyal fans or the manager............ it is for one reason only ............... it is because who bought the club on the cheap when they were in big **** , so maybe the same could happen to us and admin and being relegated might just be a blessing in disguise" Seriously, how bitter and twisted and moronic are some people? http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/12382-Article-on-SISU-and-Cov-from-a-Southampton-view
Saint Stimp Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 I'd hate to be a Coventry fan, must be the most boring team in the UK to support.
Big_Bald_Si Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 Ironic that we rejected the bod that eventually took them over....
Colinjb Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 Their club is a Zombie ambling on in a pointless uneventful way, draining the life out of it's neglected fanbase, it needs something, anything to happen to it to get the fanbase interested again. Relegation/Administration might be it.
bender Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 In fairness, I was waiting for us to go into admin in 2009 so we could start again. Until that was to happen there appeared no future for us. Whilst others hung their heads I was quietly feeling very positive.
1976_Child Posted 4 November, 2011 Author Posted 4 November, 2011 It is the first half of the quote which just idiotic and bitter. Our success this season has nothing, according to the poster, to do with our loyal fanbase (which turns out 32,000 on a Tuesday night and routinely sells all away tickets) or our manager. What a nob-head.
Matthew Le God Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 (edited) What screws Coventry getting a rich owner is a small fanbase compared to Saints, not owning their stadium/training ground and not having an academy anywhere near as good in terms of setup or reputation. Saints averaged 22k in League One and will probably average 25k+ this season in the Championship, Coventry currently average 14k in the Championship. If they get relegated this season their attendances in the League One next season won't be anywhere near the 22k average Saints had. For their fans to compare the two clubs is a nonsense. Edited 4 November, 2011 by Matthew Le God
krissyboy31 Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 What screws Coventry getting a rich owner is a small fanbase compared to Saints, not owning their stadium/training ground and not having an academy anywhere near as good in terms of setup or reputation. TBF they could have a much larger fanbase given some success. Years of dross has pretty much eroded theirs much like it did with our's, prior to administration.
Saint_lambden Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 Another sh*te club with no fans. My local park game probably has more atmosphere than the Ricoh.
hypochondriac Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 He has a point in some ways. Of course our fanbase and management has had an effect on our position, but also none of this would have happened had we not had relegation and administration.
1976_Child Posted 4 November, 2011 Author Posted 4 November, 2011 He has a point in some ways. Of course our fanbase and management has had an effect on our position, but also none of this would have happened had we not had relegation and administration. I thought he was trying to make the point that it is ML's dosh what has got us to the top and nothing to do with NA etc
hypochondriac Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 I thought he was trying to make the point that it is ML's dosh what has got us to the top and nothing to do with NA etc Possibly ML's dosh that enabled us to attract Adkin's interest and support him properly...
Golden Balls Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 Wonder if Cranie will play. Saw him off his face in town twice in the last few weeks.
1976_Child Posted 4 November, 2011 Author Posted 4 November, 2011 Possibly ML's dosh that enabled us to attract Adkin's interest and support him properly... well yeah, granted. But dosh can't actually manage a team to the top....
hypochondriac Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 well yeah, granted. But dosh can't actually manage a team to the top.... Helps a lot though so he does have a bit of a point TBH.
Katalinic Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 http://www.ccfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10269~2506212,00.html They seem to like Orange Ken as much as we did. Interesting re-writing of history in the attached article.
krissyboy31 Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 http://www.ccfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10269~2506212,00.html They seem to like Orange Ken as much as we did. Interesting re-writing of history in the attached article. Not exactly rewriting, just ignoring the 'what happened next?' bit
DanW Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 In fairness, I was waiting for us to go into admin in 2009 so we could start again. Until that was to happen there appeared no future for us. Whilst others hung their heads I was quietly feeling very positive. For a long time there it felt like there was no future, until the old administration finally left and we were given a virtual clean slate. Sounds like that's where Coventry are now.
alehouseboys Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 Tbf some Cov fan does put him right mentioning we could get 30,000 in League One and they'd struggle for half of that. And...1976_Child...in reference to your post on another thread, where exactly is the capital of 'Britain'? Incidently, tomorrow we're going to Britains capital of...http://www.metro.co.uk/lifestyle/30686-britains-vibrator-capital-revealed
richardc Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 To be fair I think there right we had five years where our support and manager didn't help us stop the slide into league one with the debts we had our revenue would not have allowed us to invest in the squad and without that Adkins wouldn't get us to the top of the championship
Fan The Flames Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 The Cov lad had a point, this club wasn't turned around by a great manager or through the actions of its fan but because it was bought by a capable person. NA and us fans have assisted in the rise but the turning point was ML. So you can see why admin may be attractive to Cov fans, however it wasn't admin that was the turning point it was getting a decent buyer, something thats not guarenteed.
dubai_phil Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 Too simplistic statement by far. But he does nail one point. ML DID get us on the cheap. The club was touted around by many people (of widely differing levels of experience ) The price being asked was in the region of the Shareholder Equity value which was resolutely around the 32mil mark. He also DID get the debts "significantly reduced". Prior to admin adding those debts onto the Share Value made the deal to buy Saints much more expensive. However it has been the decision making SINCE that period that has determined our path. It was a hell of a stroke of luck for us, and if you look at other clubs that have gone into admin only a small few have been so lucky or have got back to a competitive level. Go pop get relegated and get a muppet in. Yeah that's really working for poopey isn't it. Stupid & risky
aintforever Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 The Coventry fan is right, the only reason we could attract the manager and players we have is because of Leibherr's wonga.
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 Always hated this lot. Nothing place in the middle of bloody nowhere with no atmosphere and nothing going on around it. I hope we **** them tomorrow.
SNSUN Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 Having experienced two relegations in recent times, it's not the death of a club I used to think it was. Yes, relegation from the Premiership did eventually bring on our administration, but you look at Charlton, Forest, Leeds, Us, Norwich etc etc and you see that sometimes it's just the kick up the backside a club needs.
Chez Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 The Coventry fan is right, the only reason we could attract the manager and players we have is because of Leibherr's wonga. agree fully, although you do have to spend the money wisely of course
RobM Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 agree fully, although you do have to spend the money wisely of course And have a decent manager to get the most out of the investment. So they are right. They are also wrong for saying it was the one and only reason.
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 The Coventry fan is right, the only reason we could attract the manager and players we have is because of Leibherr's wonga. I had a day out with a Pompey fan at Fontwell today (he's alright though, thankfully) and he reminded me that we are about the fifth/sixth richest club in the land. We shouldn't forget that when we're riding high. Because if we do, we will attract the same sort of jealousy as Chelsea and Man Citeh. And while I don't like 'buying' anything that hasn't been earned, it's not a fault of long-suffering fans like yours truly that we happen to have been blessed by Markus - god bless him. I feel for Coventry because but for a bit of luck THAT could have been us.
THEVMAN Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 Wonder if Cranie will play. Saw him off his face in town twice in the last few weeks. Im pretty sure he`s injured at the moment hence the reason he`s on a bender.
aintforever Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 And have a decent manager to get the most out of the investment. So they are right. They are also wrong for saying it was the one and only reason. But how do you attract and keep hold of a manager like Adkins? It's all about money.
Fan The Flames Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 But how do you attract and keep hold of a manager like Adkins? It's all about money. I dont think it was too hard to attract NA.
Sour Mash Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 I had a day out with a Pompey fan at Fontwell today (he's alright though, thankfully) and he reminded me that we are about the fifth/sixth richest club in the land. We shouldn't forget that when we're riding high. Because if we do, we will attract the same sort of jealousy as Chelsea and Man Citeh. And while I don't like 'buying' anything that hasn't been earned, it's not a fault of long-suffering fans like yours truly that we happen to have been blessed by Markus - god bless him. I feel for Coventry because but for a bit of luck THAT could have been us. Not necessarily 'luck' though is it? Why did ML & NC decide to invest in Saints as opposed to Coventry for example?
DanW Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 I had a day out with a Pompey fan at Fontwell today (he's alright though, thankfully) and he reminded me that we are about the fifth/sixth richest club in the land. We shouldn't forget that when we're riding high. Because if we do, we will attract the same sort of jealousy as Chelsea and Man Citeh. And while I don't like 'buying' anything that hasn't been earned, it's not a fault of long-suffering fans like yours truly that we happen to have been blessed by Markus - god bless him. I feel for Coventry because but for a bit of luck THAT could have been us. It's a good point, but I think it's slightly misguided: We have one of the top 10 wealthiest owners in English football. That's different than being a top 10 wealthiest club, isn't it?
John B Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 It does help that the club was bought cheap and going into Administration proved very useful I doubt we would be in the position we are in today if we had not
John B Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 Because at £12m it was cheap and there was no mortgage on the stadium
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 Not necessarily 'luck' though is it? Why did ML & NC decide to invest in Saints as opposed to Coventry for example? Because Coventry wasn't available or in adminstration?
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 It's a good point, but I think it's slightly misguided: We have one of the top 10 wealthiest owners in English football. That's different than being a top 10 wealthiest club, isn't it? That's no different to any of the others, though. Mittal hasn't given his money to QPR, Abramovic hasn't given it to Chelsea. I think on that basis we're talking about wealth of the owners in each case.
Matthew Le God Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 Because Coventry wasn't available or in adminstration? That is irrelevant. Had Liebherr decided Coventry were a more attractive investment he could have made them an offer they couldn't refuse. They don't own the Ricoh Areana, so aren't exactly laded with big money assets.
scotty Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 Im pretty sure he`s injured at the moment hence the reason he`s on a bender. Homophobic comment. Please sort it mods an infraction awaits
aintforever Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 I dont think it was too hard to attract NA. There is no way he would have dropped a league to manage us if we were skint.
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 That is irrelevant. Had Liebherr decided Coventry were a more attractive investment he could have made them an offer they couldn't refuse. They don't own the Ricoh Areana, so aren't exactly laded with big money assets. Are you soft? He could afford Southampton because we were in the shyte and therefore attractive and available at a cheap price with a potential resale at a profit. Coventry were/are owned by SISU who are looking for a return on their investment.
The9 Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 "Saothampton are not riding high because of loyal fans or the manager............ it is for one reason only ............... it is because who bought the club on the cheap when they were in big **** , so maybe the same could happen to us and admin and being relegated might just be a blessing in disguise" Seriously, how bitter and twisted and moronic are some people? http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/12382-Article-on-SISU-and-Cov-from-a-Southampton-view I'm not sure making a fairly valid point is bitter, twisted or moronic. It's not the ONLY reason we've turned around, but Liebherr's money got us out of League 1 and the fact we had to go into administration to get a buyer is precisely what got us out of Lowes control.
colehillsaint Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 Always hated this lot. Nothing place in the middle of bloody nowhere with no atmosphere and nothing going on around it. I hope we **** them tomorrow. To differ on details, coventry had the c**p bombed out of it in the second world war, because of its role as britains most important industrial and armaments centre, and I think its population were renowned for their stoicism. I would say Milton Keynes is a nothing place in the middle of nowhere. I hope we **** them tomorrow too.
Patrick Bateman Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 Having had to work in Coventry, I can confirm it is a dull, concrete sh*thole, full of boring w*nkers. I hate their tinpot crap club with their crap support. Vile, soulless place, typical sh*t midlands dross.
alpine_saint Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 In fairness, I was waiting for us to go into admin in 2009 so we could start again. Until that was to happen there appeared no future for us. Whilst others hung their heads I was quietly feeling very positive. Hard to believe now that those of us advocating administration got so much abuse...
Sour Mash Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 Because Coventry wasn't available or in adminstration?
CB Fry Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 That is irrelevant. Had Liebherr decided Coventry were a more attractive investment he could have made them an offer they couldn't refuse. They don't own the Ricoh Areana, so aren't exactly laded with big money assets. Obviously not "irrelevant". If we weren't in administration, the Liebherr's would not have bought us. We were available with stadium at an absolute steal of a price. Leibherr wasn't making anyone "offers they couldn't refuse" he bought us at the lowest price the administrators/Aviva had to take. Completely different.
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 4 November, 2011 Posted 4 November, 2011 errrr Coventry WERE available around a similar time to when Marcus got involved. SISU nearly bought us and then turned their attentions to Coventry - IIRC.
wooley7 Posted 5 November, 2011 Posted 5 November, 2011 Also we owned our stadium, have one of the most productive youth set ups, great training facilities and a good loyal support, none of which coventry have!
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