Chez Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 ****, mind you whoever did this has done a great job in helping to raise awareness of the unbelievable sacrifices our grandfathers made for us, still a **** though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 Come now Alpine it's not all of us; I'm fuming about it and I'm bona fide socialist. I concur, I don't think this is one for left-wing/right-wing point scoring. Most think its despicable, regardless of belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 November, 2011 Author Share Posted 3 November, 2011 The problem is perpetuated by people who moan about these things, yet do f*ck all to help address the problem. I doubt that any baby is born with an innate desire to deface war memorials and disrespect the dead. That happens over time. Even back in the 80s when I was growing up, people would pull other people's kids up if they got into trouble, offer them some refuge if they knew they came from a bad family - at least try to illustrate that there are better ways to conduct yourself and better ways to live. We've lost a lot of that now. Instead, people sit in their silos with an "I'm alright Jack" attitude knowing that some kid has a sh*t life and doing absolutely f*ck all to try and help. Someone elses problem, right? I'm not defending this kid. My great grandfather was a Desert Rat. My nan endured the Blitz in West End. Moreover, I was lucky enough to have people looking out for me throughout life - whether they were friends, family or neighbours. A lot of kids don't have those personal connections back to the war, don't have anyone telling what's right or wrong and frankly, don't have much of a future to look forward to. They'll probably end up visiting the neglect that they received onto the kids that they have, and we're back at square one. More than anything though, I don't like it when people moan about problems without a clue about why they happen and without a clue of how to solve them. They have a phrase in Africa - it takes a village to raise a child. If we weren't so myopic when it came to the problems right in our midst, perhaps this kid might have grown up with a better moral compass. There's a price for indifference to the problems of others. They soon become your problems. You know NOTHING about this kid and his background. NOTHING. But you've got on your tedious bleedin' heart soapbox. How do you know he wasnt some bored little rich c*nt from Bassett ? All I've said was that he's a little c**t for what he did. And he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 You know NOTHING about this kid and his background. NOTHING. But you've got on your tedious bleedin' heart soapbox. How do you know he wasnt some bored little rich c*nt from Bassett ? All I've said was that he's a little c**t for what he did. And he is. In fairness, he wasn't disagreeing with you and was making a very good in depth point, probably much more thoughtful than the rage some have on this thread(including myself). The kid is a ****, but you have to ask, why do we produce these ****s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 You know NOTHING about this kid and his background. NOTHING. But you've got on your tedious bleedin' heart soapbox. How do you know he wasnt some bored little rich c*nt from Bassett ? All I've said was that he's a little c**t for what he did. And he is. In the grand scheme of things, what he did even isn't that bad. Take away the historical context and it's just graffiti. Teenagers do worse things every day, robbery, burglary, violent assault and murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 (edited) ... Edited 3 November, 2011 by anothersaintinsouthsea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 Alpine, are you auditioning to become the Daily Mail's Austrian correspondent? You've got it all: the aggression and vitriol, the moral indignation, interspersed with mentions of socialism and bleeding hearts and underpinned with a conviction that Britain is on the ropes. You're a ****ing cartoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommi Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 Send the little ****er to Afghanistan...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 In the grand scheme of things, what he did even isn't that bad. Take away the historical context and it's just graffiti. Teenagers do worse things every day, robbery, burglary, violent assault and murder. What a sad attitude you've got. A war memorial is there to remember people who gave their lives for queen and country. It shouldn't need explaining to you just how wrong it is to disrespect this symbol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCholulaKid Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 What a sad attitude you've got. A war memorial is there to remember people who gave their lives for queen and country. It shouldn't need explaining to you just how wrong it is to disrespect this symbol. Shut up - you tiresome ****. He's about the only poster on this thread who's put a scintilla of thought into what he's typed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 In the grand scheme of things, what he did even isn't that bad. Take away the historical context and it's just graffiti. Teenagers do worse things every day, robbery, burglary, violent assault and murder. I agree. He's a 16 year old who probably gave no thought to what he was doing. Would be good to give him some education about it and hopefully he wouldn't be so foolish in the future. All the overreaction about the youth of today is amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 (edited) Gut auf die Jugend. Gut gespielt. Wenn nur die Jugend der 1940er Jahre den gleichen Mut hatten wie du! Ich weiß nicht, vielleicht bis zu den Stränden der Normandie zu stürmen. So zu gewährleisten, uns Demokratie und Freiheit und das Recht der Meinungsäußerung; mit unseren Spray-Farbdosen tun, was wir können. Dann würden wir jetzt nicht haben, Deutsch zu sprechen. Allerdings sollten Sie nicht **** up der Kriegerdenkmäler. Herr Dune und Herr Thorpe-le-Saint wird die Liebe zu Ihrem Anus zu machen, wenn Sie tun. Sobald wir fertig sind Splitting Ihr Schließmuskel Sie wünschen Ihnen in Auschwitz vergast worden war, statt. Oder zumindest zu einer Bahn in Burma eingestellt werden. Heil Hitler. Edited 4 November, 2011 by 1976_Child Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 Actually the swastika that way round ( The way the **** vandal did it) was the orginal way and means something completely different (As aluded too in the article) than the way the nazis did it. But that's irrelevant, the guy is obviously a tool, of no use to society and will be a drain on our taxes for years to come. I'd be happy with a punishment of him having to lick his own **** of the memorial with his tongue and then being put down. Oh but wait.... may be he didn't have a very nice upbringing...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSaint Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 means something completely different It is also an age old sacred symbol for good luck and positiveness. I think this has all been one big misunderstanding. Everybody pipe down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 November, 2011 Author Share Posted 4 November, 2011 In the grand scheme of things, what he did even isn't that bad. Take away the historical context and it's just graffiti. Teenagers do worse things every day, robbery, burglary, violent assault and murder. What is this b*ll*cks ??? What a completely non-sensical point. I am now of the opinion you are trying to excuse or triviallise what he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 November, 2011 Author Share Posted 4 November, 2011 Shut up - you tiresome ****. He's about the only poster on this thread who's put a scintilla of thought into what he's typed. Yeah, and what a sad endictment about how his brain works if that really is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 What is this b*ll*cks ??? What a completely non-sensical point. I am now of the opinion you are trying to excuse or triviallise what he did. Whereas I have always been of the opinion that you are trying to demonise and sensationalise what he did. There is no denying that what he did was wrong, but really, it's just grafitti, and the men that the monument honours endured a lot worse than that while they were alive. So c'mon. Where's the trivialisation? Is what he did worse than the other crimes I mentioned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 He clearly doesn't, or he would not have done it. Teenagers are teenagers. They do incredibly stupid things, and have done for all time. Would you prefer that we treat teenagers as adults? What a total load of old ********. Provide any excuse you like, if it makes your feel better, but the abrogation of personal responsibility through perpetual excuse finding by "i feel your pain" lefties is what is ****ing this country right up. So when do they become adults in your eyes Pap? 16? 18? Or maybe leave that until they are in their 20's and they have got over their drug habit, which of course isn't their fault, it's the fault of this nasty capitalist right wing system, blah. blah, ********. You get down here, clean the excrement off the cenotaph and give the nipper a cuddle, tell him it's not his fault, it MUST be society/hormones/young age driving him to it and watch the little **** go off thinking everyones a pushover as he commits worse crimes. Maybe he might even nick your motor so you can't drive back home. but it wouldn't be his fault though, would it, no. *Pap shrugs shoulders, laughs at teenage scamp and gets train home* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 I agree. He's a 16 year old who probably gave no thought to what he was doing. Would be good to give him some education about it and hopefully he wouldn't be so foolish in the future. All the overreaction about the youth of today is amusing. I find different opinions amusing too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 What a total load of old ********. Provide any excuse you like, if it makes your feel better, but the abrogation of personal responsibility through perpetual excuse finding by "i feel your pain" lefties is what is ****ing this country right up. That is your opinion, and you're welcome to it, but you're starting from a point of truth that doesn't exist, namely that the concept of personal responsibility is universal. It isn't. One point on which we possibly are agreed is that it should be. But either way, I disagree with your analysis. People caring about the reasons why things are happening is not the reason our country is so f'ked up. There are innumerable factors at play here. However, I'm happy to be proved wrong and am open to other ideas. How do you think that personal responsibility could be enforced? How do you think we should instill the value that it isn't right to deface war memorials? Let's hear your plan on how you will sort this all out ( I won't hold my breath in anticipation ). So when do they become adults in your eyes Pap? 16? 18? Or maybe leave that until they are in their 20's and they have got over their drug habit, which of course isn't their fault, it's the fault of this nasty capitalist right wing system, blah. blah, ********. The law says he is an adult when he is 18. Good enough for me. You get down here, clean the excrement off the cenotaph and give the nipper a cuddle, tell him it's not his fault, it MUST be society/hormones/young age driving him to it and watch the little **** go off thinking everyones a pushover as he commits worse crimes. Maybe he might even nick your motor so you can't drive back home. but it wouldn't be his fault though, would it, no. *Pap shrugs shoulders, laughs at teenage scamp and gets train home* No, I just think that he's best left to the justice system, which is actually what is happening. And again, what is Special K doing to address the issue of this youngster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 November, 2011 Author Share Posted 4 November, 2011 What a total load of old ********. Provide any excuse you like, if it makes your feel better, but the abrogation of personal responsibility through perpetual excuse finding by "i feel your pain" lefties is what is ****ing this country right up. So when do they become adults in your eyes Pap? 16? 18? Or maybe leave that until they are in their 20's and they have got over their drug habit, which of course isn't their fault, it's the fault of this nasty capitalist right wing system, blah. blah, ********. You get down here, clean the excrement off the cenotaph and give the nipper a cuddle, tell him it's not his fault, it MUST be society/hormones/young age driving him to it and watch the little **** go off thinking everyones a pushover as he commits worse crimes. Maybe he might even nick your motor so you can't drive back home. but it wouldn't be his fault though, would it, no. *Pap shrugs shoulders, laughs at teenage scamp and gets train home* *applauds* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 Reading some posts on here I can only come to the conclusion that some people have too much anger and frustration in their lives that it spills over into pathetic over-reaction ranting on an internet message board. Chill out FFS. The boy did a pretty dreadful thing but does it really warrant the panic and wailing on here? Oh noes some kid did some graffiti, all teenagers are scum and the country has gone to pot, oh noes, run for the internet to vent your anger, oh noes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 November, 2011 Author Share Posted 4 November, 2011 Reading some posts on here I can only come to the conclusion that some people have too much anger and frustration in their lives that it spills over into pathetic over-reaction ranting on an internet message board. Chill out FFS. The boy did a pretty dreadful thing but does it really warrant the panic and wailing on here? Oh noes some kid did some graffiti, all teenagers are scum and the country has gone to pot, oh noes, run for the internet to vent your anger, oh noes. If you have become totally desensitized to this sort of stuff its your problem, not ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 If you have become totally desensitized to this sort of stuff its your problem, not ours. who's desensitised? I said it was dreadful. What happened to a bit of stiff upper lip eh? cry babies like you are the reason this country is so fuxked up. Wow this tabloid style over-reaction lark is fun isn't it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 I find different opinions amusing too I didn't say opinion I said the overreaction about the youth of today after one isolated incident of a young bloke being an uninformed idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 Well speaking as one of Dune's "bleeding heart lefties" I too think this was a despicable act, assuming of course all is as the Mail reports! At 16, a youngsters is definitely old enough to know this is very wrong and has probably done this deliberately to shock and annoy. It doesn't matter what sort of background etc he comes from, he has to be punished, not least to show others that society will not tolerate such behaviour. The actions of this particular pillock do not however indicate that Britain is a broken society and that all youngsters are little ****s.... just this one!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 Well speaking as one of Dune's "bleeding heart lefties" I too think this was a despicable act, assuming of course all is as the Mail reports! At 16, a youngsters is definitely old enough to know this is very wrong and has probably done this deliberately to shock and annoy. It doesn't matter what sort of background etc he comes from, he has to be punished, not least to show others that society will not tolerate such behaviour. The actions of this particular pillock do not however indicate that Britain is a broken society and that all youngsters are little ****s.... just this one!. I don't disagree. What punishment do you think would be suitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 I didn't say opinion I said the overreaction about the youth of today after one isolated incident of a young bloke being an uninformed idiot. Labelling it an "Overraction" is your opinion of someone else's opinion. You were "amused" at what you perceive to be an overreation ergo you were ultimately amused at his opinion. IMHO of course... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 Reading some posts on here I can only come to the conclusion that some people have too much anger and frustration in their lives that it spills over into pathetic over-reaction ranting on an internet message board. Chill out FFS. The boy did a pretty dreadful thing but does it really warrant the panic and wailing on here? Oh noes some kid did some graffiti, all teenagers are scum and the country has gone to pot, oh noes, run for the internet to vent your anger, oh noes. Completely agree. He's been nicked, he'll be found guilty and he'll be punished accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 In the grand scheme of things, what he did even isn't that bad. Take away the historical context and it's just graffiti. Teenagers do worse things every day, robbery, burglary, violent assault and murder. After comments like that, there is really no point in continuing the debate ! Sometimes I just despair for both the perpetrators and the apologists !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 Labelling it an "Overraction" is your opinion of someone else's opinion. You were "amused" at what you perceive to be an overreation ergo you were ultimately amused at his opinion. IMHO of course... ;-) You know what I mean trousers. Unlike other posters I just can't get mad at you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 After comments like that, there is really no point in continuing the debate ! Sometimes I just despair for both the perpetrators and the apologists !! I think you have missed the point somewhat. If someone does something like this, then in my eyes they clearly didn't realise what they were disrespecting, otherwise they wouldn't have done it. We have two choices, either we condemn the teenager completely and say there is no hope, or we punish him but then as part of that punishment maybe do some community service for a war charity or work with veterans or something like that. If there is even a chance that he comes out of it with a better understanding and empathy for what those people went through (and what people still go through) then surely that is a worthwhile exercise isn't it? I think that some people get a bit too emotional because it is damage to something 'sacred' and do go a bit over the top. Sure it's a very upsetting crime to many but in my view, a punishment with some sort of educational aspect attached would be best here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 After comments like that, there is really no point in continuing the debate ! Sometimes I just despair for both the perpetrators and the apologists !! So are you saying that grafitti on a monument is worse than robbery, burglary, violent assault or murder? It's a question of perspective, eurosaint - and people have their own take on how important this is. I think it's regrettable that someone has done this, but if you think about who was actually harmed, doesn't actually seem that serious compared to other stuff that goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 That is your opinion, and you're welcome to it, but you're starting from a point of truth that doesn't exist, namely that the concept of personal responsibility is universal. It isn't. One point on which we possibly are agreed is that it should be. But either way, I disagree with your analysis. People caring about the reasons why things are happening is not the reason our country is so f'ked up. There are innumerable factors at play here. However, I'm happy to be proved wrong and am open to other ideas. How do you think that personal responsibility could be enforced? How do you think we should instill the value that it isn't right to deface war memorials? Let's hear your plan on how you will sort this all out ( I won't hold my breath in anticipation ). The law says he is an adult when he is 18. Good enough for me. No, I just think that he's best left to the justice system, which is actually what is happening. And again, what is Special K doing to address the issue of this youngster? Go back to your original point. You said he didn't know what he is doing because he's only a teenager and teenagers don't have any sense of perspective of what is right or wrong. This is what wound me up. Not only is it condescending to that vast majority of decent, knowledgable, able-to-tell-right-from-wrong young 'uns out there, it is symptomatic of the BS approach to dealing with troublesome nippers (i.e. it's easier for all to find them an excuse for what they've done than the confront the truth - that some people (nippers included) are nasty bastards that need dealing with properly). What am i doing about it? Paying my taxes to a government that administers a policing system to deal with this. Good to see you agree on the method of enforcement. My problem is not with that and i don't appreciate the inference that i advocate a string 'em up attitude to justice. My problem is with those who seek to provide an excuse for every wrongdoing or misdemeanour that occurs from supposedly "fragile" members of society. Rant over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 Go back to your original point. You said he didn't know what he is doing because he's only a teenager and teenagers don't have any sense of perspective of what is right or wrong. This is what wound me up. Not only is it condescending to that vast majority of decent, knowledgable, able-to-tell-right-from-wrong young 'uns out there, it is symptomatic of the BS approach to dealing with troublesome nippers (i.e. it's easier for all to find them an excuse for what they've done than the confront the truth - that some people (nippers included) are nasty bastards that need dealing with properly). What am i doing about it? Paying my taxes to a government that administers a policing system to deal with this. Good to see you agree on the method of enforcement. My problem is not with that and i don't appreciate the inference that i advocate a string 'em up attitude to justice. My problem is with those who seek to provide an excuse for every wrongdoing or misdemeanour that occurs from supposedly "fragile" members of society. Rant over. I imagine he knew it was wrong, but I doubt he thought through the implications of his actions nor in my opinion is it likely that he understood fully just who and what he was disrespecting. Otherwise I just can't see how someone could do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 Go back to your original point. You said he didn't know what he is doing because he's only a teenager and teenagers don't have any sense of perspective of what is right or wrong. This is what wound me up. Not only is it condescending to that vast majority of decent, knowledgable, able-to-tell-right-from-wrong young 'uns out there, it is symptomatic of the BS approach to dealing with troublesome nippers (i.e. it's easier for all to find them an excuse for what they've done than the confront the truth - that some people (nippers included) are nasty bastards that need dealing with properly). I'm saying that teenagers don't always make good choices. I'm not lumping them all together. As a father of a sixteen year old, I know all too well that there are gradations in the behaviour of kids, hell, even gradations of behaviour with my own kid. If you have a problem, any problem, the best way to solve it for good is to understand why it happened and work out how to prevent it from happening again. You solve nothing by simply assigning a label like 'c*nt' to the problem and presenting that as a solution. What is 'dealing with them properly'? What am i doing about it? Paying my taxes to a government that administers a policing system to deal with this. Good to see you agree on the method of enforcement. My problem is not with that and i don't appreciate the inference that i advocate a string 'em up attitude to justice. My problem is with those who seek to provide an excuse for every wrongdoing or misdemeanour that occurs from supposedly "fragile" members of society. Rant over. As I said before, not seeking an excuse - seeking an explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 So are you saying that grafitti on a monument is worse than robbery, burglary, violent assault or murder? It's a question of perspective, eurosaint - and people have their own take on how important this is. I think it's regrettable that someone has done this, but if you think about who was actually harmed, doesn't actually seem that serious compared to other stuff that goes on. No I am not saying that grafitti is worse than (ie.) murder, what I am saying is that it is better not to seek to excuse such behaviour ! The recent 'zero tolerance' policy in New York proved that crimes like this could be vastly reduced with short sharp penalties rather than relying on (so called) 'social initiatives' ! Ps. I do realise that you have not condoned the crime and accept that you are entitled to your opinion but by saying "it isn't even that bad" (your precise words!) you don't exactly help your argument ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 No I am not saying that grafitti is worse than (ie.) murder, what I am saying is that it is better not to seek to excuse such behaviour ! The recent 'zero tolerance' policy in New York proved that crimes like this could be vastly reduced with short sharp penalties rather than relying on (so called) 'social initiatives' ! Ps. I do realise that you have not condoned the crime and accept that you are entitled to your opinion but by saying "it isn't even that bad" (your precise words!) you don't exactly help your argument ! What is wrong with both? A punishment to stop the short term type of this behaviour and an educational aspect to change the behaviour in the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 What is wrong with both? A punishment to stop the short term type of this behaviour and an educational aspect to change the behaviour in the long term. I could live with that as long as we don't appoint a quango (at our expense!) to work on the latter ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 November, 2011 Author Share Posted 4 November, 2011 I imagine he knew it was wrong, but I doubt he thought through the implications of his actions nor in my opinion is it likely that he understood fully just who and what he was disrespecting. Otherwise I just can't see how someone could do it. thats because you live by and conform to a different set of values than pond-life like that. I dont know how old you are hypo, but if you are over, say 30, and dont have kids approaching their teens to draw references from, it might be hard for you to full appreciate just how far British Youth has fallen down the khazi in recent years.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 No I am not saying that grafitti is worse than (ie.) murder, what I am saying is that it is better not to seek to excuse such behaviour ! The recent 'zero tolerance' policy in New York proved that crimes like this could be vastly reduced with short sharp penalties rather than relying on (so called) 'social initiatives' ! Ps. I do realise that you have not condoned the crime and accept that you are entitled to your opinion but by saying "it isn't even that bad" (your precise words!) you don't exactly help your argument ! I don't think anyone is excusing the behaviour. As I've said before, he'll get punished according to the severity of the crime. No-one was harmed. The people who he disrespected had MUCH worse stuff to deal with than this, involved as they were in some of history's bloodiest conflicts. I understand the indignation, but we need to prosecute people based on what the law says, and not how upset people are about the perceived heinousness of the crime. The law says that this is criminal damage, and he'll be charged on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 thats because you live by and conform to a different set of values than pond-life like that. I dont know how old you are hypo, but if you are over, say 30, and dont have kids approaching their teens to draw references from, it might be hard for you to full appreciate just how far British Youth has fallen down the khazi in recent years.. Whereas your position, in Southern Austria, is the perfect vantage point to assess the state of British youth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 thats because you live by and conform to a different set of values than pond-life like that. I dont know how old you are hypo, but if you are over, say 30, and dont have kids approaching their teens to draw references from, it might be hard for you to full appreciate just how far British Youth has fallen down the khazi in recent years.. Not having teenage children doesn't mean I have no experience of these people. I have an auntie who works for no limits so i have plenty of experience. What I'm saying is there is little point in just labelling them as pond-life or c*nts because of one admittedly very stupid and offensive action. Says this person realises what he did when older, regrets it an then lives a decent life contributing to society, is he still pond life? I don't think that all the youth in this country are a lost cause. Maybe the fact that you don't live here an just see events like this in the paper in isolation leaves you with an inaccurate view of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 November, 2011 Author Share Posted 4 November, 2011 Whereas your position, in Southern Austria, is the perfect vantage point to assess the state of British youth. I brought my family back to live in Soton between 2004 and 2008. Concluded that enough is enough and moved back over here. Seeing where your location indicates, I can only assume you another one suffering from desensitivity.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 November, 2011 Author Share Posted 4 November, 2011 Not having teenage children doesn't mean I have no experience of these people. I have an auntie who works for no limits so i have plenty of experience. What I'm saying is there is little point in just labelling them as pond-life or c*nts because of one admittedly very stupid and offensive action. Says this person realises what he did when older, regrets it an then lives a decent life contributing to society, is he still pond life? I don't think that all the youth in this country are a lost cause. Maybe the fact that you don't live here an just see events like this in the paper in isolation leaves you with an inaccurate view of things. Nope, dont think so. But I do reckon you are clutching at straws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 I brought my family back to live in Soton between 2004 and 2008. Concluded that enough is enough and moved back over here. So let me recap. You're dismissing British youth because you moved here for four years, and decided to move back. Can I ask which ghetto in Southampton you moved to? What was so bad about your experience that you felt compelled to flee the country? How did you reach your conclusions? Seeing where your location indicates, I can only assume you another one suffering from desensitivity.... Well, that actually says more about you than it does me. I think we've already established that you know nothing about the city I live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 I agree with Alpines comments. the little turd should be named and shamed. send the little scroat to afghan there tommy taliban and nato can use him for target practice. The scroat was probably ****ed of becuase someone had already stolen the brass plates containing the names of those who had died Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekelund24 Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 I imagine he knew it was wrong, but I doubt he thought through the implications of his actions nor in my opinion is it likely that he understood fully just who and what he was disrespecting. Otherwise I just can't see how someone could do it. If he knew it was wrong, and drew that symbol on that monument and didn't know the implications of his actions then he must be borderline retarded or have an extremely low IQ (the use of excrement points to this as well). The fact he used both shows that he knew the meaning of both and that it would cause offence. Children as young as 3 have basic moral reasoning albeit on a more black/white scale so for a 16yo to not understand the implications seem very odd to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 He clearly doesn't, or he would not have done it. Teenagers are teenagers. They do incredibly stupid things, and have done for all time. Would you prefer that we treat teenagers as adults? My God, the naivety is breathtaking. Had this teenage lout known that it was wrong, he wouldn't have done it? Do you honestly believe for one second that a kid can reach the age of 16 believing that there is nothing wrong with spraying graffiti onto a public monument, let alone spraying swastikas onto a War Memorial honouring those who laid down their lives for their country? So which school will he have attended that does not take part in some sort of ceremony that honours the fallen in two World wars and explains to the pupils the significance of it all? And what other types of criminal activity would you excuse by rationalising it as ignorance or just the pranks of juvenile boys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 My God, the naivety is breathtaking. Had this teenage lout known that it was wrong, he wouldn't have done it? Do you honestly believe for one second that a kid can reach the age of 16 believing that there is nothing wrong with spraying graffiti onto a public monument, let alone spraying swastikas onto a War Memorial honouring those who laid down their lives for their country? No, I'm saying he did an incredibly stupid thing, and I'm saying he probably wasn't equipped to realise how wrong the act was the symbolism of the act. So which school will he have attended that does not take part in some sort of ceremony that honours the fallen in two World wars and explains to the pupils the significance of it all? And what other types of criminal activity would you excuse by rationalising it as ignorance or just the pranks of juvenile boys? Are you saying that every kid who attends war memorials is going to be rapt in attention? That they'll take everything in and process the information as we would like them to? Who is being naive now? You're assuming that once a kid attends one of these services, they'll be fully clued up about the horrors of war and the sacrifices our ancestors made. I disagree with that assertion. I'd expect a fair proportion of teenagers would not be fully engaged in such events, regardless of the importance their teachers place upon them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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