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Think your a sleazeball and he should take u to small claims court, systems like u should be stopped. I bet if the positions were reversed you would be winging for the planet that he had ripped you off. You should treat him as you would expect to be treated, with honour and respect.

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I think you've misunderstood the situation. How any of this of my fault I don't know.i sold a car, it turned out to be adudd, i'm within my rights not to give a refund. That's the end of it. The end.

 

You lied to him and to this forum, youre a creep. Added to that you try to play the victim, which makes you pathetic as well.

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Fantastic thread and one of the reasons why I love and then also hate this forum! Thanks for making my Friday everyone!

 

Agree with this, fantastic!

 

Jonny (aka 'arry), seems you are one corrupt mother f*cker so I would once again suggest you use my previously mentioned strategy.

 

You are a dirty skate f*cking sleazeball and you should be hanged for this, no lesser punishment will suffice, you have failed to show respect and honour to your fellow crack head therefore you deserve to die... it is tough justice but it is essential justice and you could spin it to your family that you are a martyr and a symbol of why it is wrong to be a bent corrupt c*nt of a car dealer.

 

I would keep one eye open at night from now on fella, I sense vigilante justice is on its way.

 

In the interests of justice, respect and honour I had a look at the listing number provided in page one of this thread, tracked your feedback and located the buyer - I have passed on the details of this thread to him (dont need to be registered SWF to view the lounge), so he can have a little more detail on the classic hoodwink scam he has fallen for. Whilst I stated clearly to him I do not endorse or encourage vigilante justice, I also stated vigilante justice is exactly the route I would go down and then I wished the crack head all the best in his quest for justice.

 

I sincerely hope this is of help to you.

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I bought a Ford Escort once with a MOT 4 weeks old. Took it to a local garage (Eagles in Croydon for what it's worth) for a service and was told it was a deathtrap as the brakes were shot. Who did the MOT? Eagles. They gave some clap trap that the seller had switched the shoes and discs after the MOT - who knows.

 

The bloke who sold it to me was probably like Saint_Jonny - basically looking for a mug. I just took it on the chin - the car was our first 'family' car but died about 18 months later (and I paid 1100 for it 12 years ago). So, I was a mug and the d1ck who sold it to me was a d1ck. I didn't choose to threaten to smack him in the mouth however. But should the opportunity arise, I would!

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Agree with this, fantastic!

 

Jonny (aka 'arry), seems you are one corrupt mother f*cker so I would once again suggest you use my previously mentioned strategy.

 

You are a dirty skate f*cking sleazeball and you should be hanged for this, no lesser punishment will suffice, you have failed to show respect and honour to your fellow crack head therefore you deserve to die... it is tough justice but it is essential justice and you could spin it to your family that you are a martyr and a symbol of why it is wrong to be a bent corrupt c*nt of a car dealer.

 

I would keep one eye open at night from now on fella, I sense vigilante justice is on its way.

 

In the interests of justice, respect and honour I had a look at the listing number provided in page one of this thread, tracked your feedback and located the buyer - I have passed on the details of this thread to him (dont need to be registered SWF to view the lounge), so he can have a little more detail on the classic hoodwink scam he has fallen for. Whilst I stated clearly to him I do not endorse or encourage vigilante justice, I also stated vigilante justice is exactly the route I would go down and then I wished the crack head all the best in his quest for justice.

 

I sincerely hope this is of help to you.

 

I do hope that this post is a joke because if not, you are one truly sad individual with FAR to much time on your hands.

 

The 'crack head' bought a car without an MOT for £550, it was sold as spares / fixable. Jesus Christ you lot are uptight. I couldn't have been any more honest than I was when selling the car.

 

But as you lot seem to be implying, I am a dirty skate **** who is a pathological liar, a man never to be trusted - a lowlife, a 'sleezeball'.

 

However the FACTS are its the first car I haven't scrapped (and as such sold), I am NOT a liar and am a perfectly trustworthy individual. How you can jump to 101 conclusions about stuff you have NO IDEA about is beyond me.

 

I SOLD A CAR WITHOUT AN MOT - HE TOOK A RISK - IT DIDN'T PAY OFF. GET OVER IT.

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Also, it was a ****ing auction, what he chose to pay for the ****ing car is up to him! I wouldn't pay that much for a car with no MOT but I sure as heck would take the cash off someone offering it to me. And so would all of you (although you might pretend to be all high and mighty and offer to take less, you ****ing wouldn't)

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As usual, there's a lot of armchair lawyering going on here, and most of it is ill informed and incorrect. Here is some proper advice, with a capital A.

 

Firstly, the core issue you asked about. Whether he signs the V5 or not is irrelevant and has no impact on you. Registered Keeper is not the same thing as owner. You sold the car, it is no longer your property. Send the relevant part of the V5 to the DVLA, put in a short covering letter confirming you sold it and on what date if you feel the need. That's it, nothing else to it. From that point you are no longer the registered keeper of the car. He has no hold over you of any kind by not signing it. So you can stop flapping about that.

 

Secondly, the Police would have no interest in any complaint he might make, so don't worry about that. Although *technically* you might have committed a Fraud (see below), if he went to the Police they would simply tell him it's a civil issue.

 

Thirdly, there is very little chance by the sounds of it that he will actually pursue you in the civil courts. But if he did, I wouldn't bet against him getting at least a partial judgement. You see, you made representations in your advert that were untrue. You shouldn't be making assurances that, for example, a car will pass its MOT when you don't actually know. The fact that you apparently honestly didn't know the extent of the problems would be fine if that's what you said, but you didn't say that. You made representations that you *did* know the extent of the problems. If he can prove that he relied on those assurances, then they could become implied terms of the contract. Which would potentially put you in breach.

 

Fourthly, back in the real world, this guy knows where you live. Is it really worth the potential hassle? Man up, offer him a partial refund in settlement, and resolve it. After all, it's cheaper than replacing a window that's had a brick through it or similar.

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Fourthly, back in the real world, this guy knows where you live. Is it really worth the potential hassle? Man up, offer him a partial refund in settlement, and resolve it. After all, it's cheaper than replacing a window that's had a brick through it or similar.

 

Anyone with any decency would offer a full refund. The car was mis sold.

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If you are so entrenched in your (not entirely correct) viewpoint, why on earth did you post a thread asking for advice?

 

I asked for advice on the issue over the V5C, which you have cleared up for me (thanks for that btw :) ). I've had to put my 'entrenched' viewpoint across because as per usual, the fine members of Saints Web picked apart the story until it was entirely out of hand and incorrect.

 

Like I said, I asked about the V5C and not wanting to be legal owner for obvious reasons, a lot of what followed was not expected on my part as I don't think I did anything wrong.

 

However I will admit that my choice of words in the Ebay add could have been better - but buyer beware - "should pass an MOT" is not exactly set in stone, is it.

 

A learning experience this has surely been for me.

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Any one with a bit of sense with just £550 to spend on a roadworthy vehicle would be looking for a bike.

 

Exactly, the guy that bought the car said himself that he would have no problem fixing whatever came up on the MOT because he "knew loads of mechanics".

 

I would expect VERY LITTLE from a £550, 13 year old Citroen with 110k(ish) on the clock that had been owned by 19-22 year olds its entire life.

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Indeed. I just don't understand the point of this whingey thread when you are clearly a sheister that is getting what he deserves.

 

Dune, i'm not getting anything. I'll do as people as people have suggested and send the V5C off and that'll be the end of it.

 

As for the vigilante justice that was suggested, thankfully the recently out of jail chap doesn't know where I live, as I took the car to him.

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Unbelievable Jonny you are a creep. OK so technically you will probably get away with it but that doesn't change the fact that you have really ripped a bloke off and then because he was stupid you think that's OK. Anyone with any empathy would offer at least a partial refund and it's sellers like you that give ebay a bad name.

 

I hope you buy something in a similar situation one day and the seller tells you to do one. You certainly deserve to be ripped off yourself.

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Any one with a bit of sense with just £550 to spend on a roadworthy vehicle would be looking for a bike.

 

You can get decent cars for that kind of money - I bought a Renault 19 for £700 which lasted trouble free for 5 years and 40,000 miles. Not everyone is a misrepresenting tosser.

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Unbelievable Jonny you are a creep. OK so technically you will probably get away with it but that doesn't change the fact that you have really ripped a bloke off and then because he was stupid you think that's OK. Anyone with any empathy would offer at least a partial refund and it's sellers like you that give ebay a bad name.

 

I hope you buy something in a similar situation one day and the seller tells you to do one. You certainly deserve to be ripped off yourself.

 

I have been ripped off on cars in the past Hypo so it doesn't bother me.

 

Out of interest what would you expect from the car sold in that ebay auction, what would you GENUINELY expect?

 

For the 100th time, at the time of sale, what I put in that ebay auction was 100% accurate - to my knowledge.

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You can get decent cars for that kind of money - I bought a Renault 19 for £700 which lasted trouble free for 5 years and 40,000 miles. Not everyone is a misrepresenting tosser.

 

The amount of money paid isn't really the point. The bloke thought he was getting something from an advert that misrepresented what he was actually getting. I really feel sorry for the bloke, he has been conned by this little sh*t but karma is a b*tch so he will get what is coming to him most likely.

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The amount of money paid isn't really the point. The bloke thought he was getting something from an advert that misrepresented what he was actually getting. I really feel sorry for the bloke, he has been conned by this little sh*t but karma is a b*tch so he will get what is coming to him most likely.

 

Agree totally

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The amount of abuse I'm getting over this is totally unbelievable. I took legal advice from a friend, I consulted with a load of REAL people (not internet warriors), and they all told me that once he drove it away, it was his problem, he takes it on the chin. He bought car without an MOT, he took the risk. What I unknowingly sold him is unfortunate, but NOT MY PROBLEM.

 

I bought a Golf GTi a few years back for 2 grand, drove it 20 miles and the gear box casing cracked and ruined the clutch as well as the gearbox itself. I went back and asked for a refund, he told me to **** off, because he had no idea there was a problem with it. How is this any different?

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I have been ripped off on cars in the past Hypo so it doesn't bother me.

 

 

Oh so that's alright then. You've been ripped off so it's perfectly fine for you to rip off others.

 

Out of interest what would you expect from the car sold in that ebay auction, what would you GENUINELY expect?

 

If I was a trusting sort of guy then I would expect what you represented. Whether you knew or not, (and you probably did know a bit) it's the mark of a person how they deal with something like that. I bought an expensive coat off ebay once that was in a worse condition than advertised. I contacted the seller who was apologetic and offered to pay for a full refund and postage costs of the return. Now in your world he was a tw*t for doing that and should have called me a tosser and an idiot for trusting and kept all my money. See technically you will probably get away with it but it doesn't make you look like less of an a*sehole.

 

For the 100th time, at the time of sale, what I put in that ebay auction was 100% accurate - to my knowledge.

 

That maybe so (though I would be surprised if you didn't have an inkling) but as I said, you display no empathy for the buyer and have generally acted like a t*sser. You asked for advice and mine is that if you don't want to be thought of as a meanspirited Kn*b in life then you should at least offer a partial refund. The fact that you won't speaks volumes.

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Dune, i'm not getting anything. I'll do as people as people have suggested and send the V5C off and that'll be the end of it.

 

As for the vigilante justice that was suggested, thankfully the recently out of jail chap doesn't know where I live, as I took the car to him.

 

Sorry chap but you dont get out of it that easy! I also pointed out that your ebay account is linked to your paypal account and as such to your bank billing address - sorry to p*ss on your chips, but he will be able to track you down with absolute ease... I recommended going through the eBay dispute and resolution centres as they can and will disclose the necessary information to track you down... your biggest mistake here was doing the con through eBay!

 

So, like I said, keep one eye open at night Mr Lewis, cause if he is a wierd/nuts/cracked up as you suggest, he could well be scheming a cruel and unpleasant fate for you... when I mentioned vigilante justice to the buyer I joking pointed out Halloween & bonfire night is a cracking time to go out dressed up as a serial killer or burn a corpse!

 

He's coming for you,

He's coming for yoooouuuu,

You Dirty Car Dealer

He's coming for you!

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Dune, i'm not getting anything. I'll do as people as people have suggested and send the V5C off and that'll be the end of it.

 

As for the vigilante justice that was suggested, thankfully the recently out of jail chap doesn't know where I live, as I took the car to him.

 

Doesn't the V5C include the previous keepers address? If so - he will know your address once he gets his copy.

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STL HTH

 

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/your_world/consumer_affairs/buying_second_hand_vehicles.htm

You bought the vehicle from a private seller

You have very few legal rights if you have bought the vehicle from a private seller rather than a dealer.

The vehicle doesn't have to be of satisfactory quality. However, if the seller offers a description of the vehicle, it must match the description given. It must also be roadworthy and the seller must have 'good title' to the vehicle. This means that they must be the legal owner in order to sell it to you.

If the vehicle doesn't match the description given, you may be entitled to compensation. You may also be entitled to compensation if you have bought an unroadworthy car from a private seller, which has caused injury to someone. However, it may be especially difficult to get compensation from a private seller.

You will only be able to claim against a private seller for one of the following reasons:

the vehicle doesn't match the description they gave you

the seller broke a specific contract term

the seller was actually a dealer posing as a private seller

the seller did not have good title to the vehicle

the vehicle is unroadworthy.

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from the same link -

 

The vehicle is unroadworthy

If the vehicle is unroadworthy, the seller may have committed a criminal offence and you should report them to Consumer Direct on 0845 404 0506 or at: http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk. In Northern Ireland, you should contact ConsumerLine on 0845 600 6262 or at: http://www.consumerline.org.

 

 

Seems you may have broken the law old boy. Maybe you should give the money back.

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STL HTH

 

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/your_world/consumer_affairs/buying_second_hand_vehicles.htm

You bought the vehicle from a private seller

You have very few legal rights if you have bought the vehicle from a private seller rather than a dealer.

The vehicle doesn't have to be of satisfactory quality. However, if the seller offers a description of the vehicle, it must match the description given. It must also be roadworthy and the seller must have 'good title' to the vehicle. This means that they must be the legal owner in order to sell it to you.

If the vehicle doesn't match the description given, you may be entitled to compensation. You may also be entitled to compensation if you have bought an unroadworthy car from a private seller, which has caused injury to someone. However, it may be especially difficult to get compensation from a private seller.

You will only be able to claim against a private seller for one of the following reasons:

the vehicle doesn't match the description they gave you

the seller broke a specific contract term

the seller was actually a dealer posing as a private seller

the seller did not have good title to the vehicle

the vehicle is unroadworthy.

 

Definitive proof that jonny is wrong and also that he is a thieving dirty pikey. The vehicle didn't match the description given, whether he knew that or not is irrelevant. I hope the buyer finds him an teaches him a thing or two about justice.

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from the same link -

 

The vehicle is unroadworthy

If the vehicle is unroadworthy, the seller may have committed a criminal offence and you should report them to Consumer Direct on 0845 404 0506 or at: http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk. In Northern Ireland, you should contact ConsumerLine on 0845 600 6262 or at: http://www.consumerline.org.

 

 

Seems you may have broken the law old boy. Maybe you should give the money back.

 

The vehicle was sold as spares / fixable and stated not to have an MOT. Millions of cars are sold as spares and repairs, they must be breaking the law too. It was up to the buyer to judge what was written on the ebay article.

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The vehicle was sold as spares / fixable and stated not to have an MOT. Millions of cars are sold as spares and repairs, they must be breaking the law too. It was up to the buyer to judge what was written on the ebay article.

 

More lies Jonny.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/180704342574?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp5197.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D180704342574%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

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To add to the above.... as the car wasn't sold without a SORN then it must be considered to be roadworthy, whether you said it was for spares or not. As it had no SORN then it has to be roadworthy. That it has 6 months MOT left is irrelevant - MOT does not give carte blanche to drive a car in an unroadworthy condition. It is merely a statement that the car passed on the day of the test and it is up to the owner to keep the car in a roadworthy condition.

 

You are stuffed and potentially a criminal. :)

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The vehicle was sold as spares / fixable and stated not to have an MOT. Millions of cars are sold as spares and repairs, they must be breaking the law too. It was up to the buyer to judge what was written on the ebay article.

 

Hopefully the judge would find against you. Whether you have broken the law is up for debate. If you are talking about the spirit of the law and about being a fellow human being and citizen of the world, you are a cockle and deserve everything that comes to you.

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To add to the above.... as the car wasn't sold without a SORN then it must be considered to be roadworthy, whether you said it was for spares or not. As it had no SORN then it has to be roadworthy. That it has 6 months MOT left is irrelevant - MOT does not give carte blanche to drive a car in an unroadworthy condition. It is merely a statement that the car passed on the day of the test and it is up to the owner to keep the car in a roadworthy condition.

 

You are stuffed and potentially a criminal. :)

 

Good man. Jonny response?

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Where are the lies? Spares / easy fix? What is wrong with that?

 

Honestly, you can believe what you like, you don't know me persanlly and I've never been called a liar or a pikey in my life. The guy doesn't know where I live (check the location), I wasn't in the wrong and that is the end of it. WOOPIE FOOKIN DOO :)

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Dune, i'm not getting anything. I'll do as people as people have suggested and send the V5C off and that'll be the end of it.

 

As for the vigilante justice that was suggested, thankfully the recently out of jail chap doesn't know where I live, as I took the car to him.

 

He soon will when he gets the documents through.

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To add to the above.... as the car wasn't sold without a SORN then it must be considered to be roadworthy, whether you said it was for spares or not. As it had no SORN then it has to be roadworthy. That it has 6 months MOT left is irrelevant - MOT does not give carte blanche to drive a car in an unroadworthy condition. It is merely a statement that the car passed on the day of the test and it is up to the owner to keep the car in a roadworthy condition.

 

You are stuffed and potentially a criminal. :)

 

I don't think I have to worry chap as the guy wont be going through any legal course to get his 500 quid back, will he. He could barely put a sentence together when I met him. Like I said, the V5C is gone, I'm not going to worry about this for another moment. You lot can as much as you like.

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