Bourne Valley Saint Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 It seems that every time I turn on the telly to watch sport there is some poxy advert encouraging me to part with my hard earned cash by betting on some aspect of the sport that I am watching. I don't want gambling adverts (like the deranged Italian shouting from the stands offering a free bet) being shown to my kids, friend's kids, parents, addicts, or whoever! It is encouraging people to gamble on something over which they have no control in the vain hope that they might win some cash. Gambling is a shi**y path to get onto and invariably ends up casusing misery to the punter and his/her family if taken too far, which is often the case because the punter is always looking to recoup his/her losses by gambling more! Years ago we had tobacco sponsorship of sporting events but this was banned due to health reasons. Then alcohol sponsorship - again banned. What is so different about gambling? It certainly isn't good for you. Leave the gambling to the punters at horse racing and bookies and stop all these ****ing adverts. Sky probably don't need the advertising revenue from these firms but if they do, then just reduce the amount they pay to the overpaid clubs/mercenaries in the Premier League. Rant Over.l Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey-deacons-left-nut Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 I agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 Totally agree. The lure to get people gambling in some form or other has swamped our tv ads recently. Totally necessary, and dangerous. Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 It's your decision to sign up to these websites and in moderation, betting is good fun. They don't claim to be the answer to people's financial problems. They advertise bleach on TV but if you drink it or put it in your eyes its going to cause damage. I suppose you want them to ban that as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 It's your decision to sign up to these websites and in moderation, betting is good fun. They don't claim to be the answer to people's financial problems. They advertise bleach on TV but if you drink it or put it in your eyes its going to cause damage. I suppose you want them to ban that as well? Stupid comparison. How many support groups are there for "bleach addicts" FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithd Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 Bleach out! Agree with the OP, but £50 says these adverts and their type wont be banned in the same way cigarette advertising is banned. Post watershed advertising is more than likely the answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 What about all the bloody bingo adverts ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 A ban simply saves human beings from their own stupidity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint.tom.clancy Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 Not sure banning an advert will stop someone from gambling. I enjoy the bet 365 advert which gives you the live odd's at half time, sometimes worth a punt. Don't see a problem with it myself, it's not as if it directly harms your health in the way alcohol and cigarettes do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 Bleach out! Agree with the OP, but £50 says these adverts and their type wont be banned in the same way cigarette advertising is banned. Post watershed advertising is more than likely the answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 A ban simply saves human beings from their own stupidity Nothing can save humans from their own stupidity Banning gambling adverts wouldn't change anything,never used to be any ads people still gambled and sometimes got themselves into great difficulty.The bait of something for nothing will always entice many,far too many. Don't hold with gambling myself but there you go.The crux of the matter is that most people are far too stupid to gamble,it's something that requires great intelligence and personal discipline.I know a couple of people who live from gambling, they never go for hail mary bets or anything like that,spend more time working at it than your average punter spends at his daily graft.Bookies and betting sites in general are highly organised and employ highly intelligent folk, a friend of my dad's(a bookie in the old tradition) once told me that he'd turned down people for employment that MI5 (or 6) can't remember which snapped up afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 A ban simply saves human beings from their own stupidity Not sure about that pantaloons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 I also get really angry with the adverts because it reduces the sport I love to another way of making money, I care about Saints result because I love Saints not because I will be £10 richer/poorer...by the way, look what gambling has done to cricket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 I don't mind a long odds flutter. I have £25 quid on Saints to win the Championship. That said, I know people who are into their horse racing - the amount of money they spend is ridiculous. The adverts are just a reflection of the times we live in. Just think of Wonga.com and all the other loan sharks out there. I actually turned a job down once because one of my prospective employer's clients was offering loans at 76% APR ( "believe it or not, some people do pay it" ). The gambling ads are a bit of a disgrace, and I see them a lot. Footy is about the only thing that I watch that I don't time-shift. Everything else, I just start watching 15-20 minutes after it has started, fast-forwarding through any ads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 Stupid comparison. How many support groups are there for "bleach addicts" FFS. There are plenty of alcohol support groups but it doesn't stop alcohol being advertised... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourne Valley Saint Posted 3 November, 2011 Author Share Posted 3 November, 2011 "The crux of the matter is that most people are far too stupid to gamble,it's something that requires great intelligence and personal discipline.I know a couple of people who live from gambling, they never go for hail mary bets or anything like that,spend more time working at it than your average punter spends at his daily graft". If only that were the case with the majority but it's not. A lot of gullible people are tempted into gambling, which could then result in borrowing and the downward spiral of loan sharks and short term lenders (did anyone see the one on tv recently offering short term loans - the APR was 1734% - shown in very small print?) No good comes from gambling. It is addictive and the only ones who get wealthy are the betting institutions themselves! Where there is gambling there is inevitably corruption - look at the Pakistani cricketers today being given jail terms. Tennis, snooker, horse racing, all recently under suspicion because some greedy bas**rds wants to make money by corrupt means. Why can't we just be left to enjoy sport for what it is rather than being tempted to gamble on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithd Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 Do you think horse racing would exist without gambling? Suppose some might enjoy it, does seem entirely designed for gambling though. I bet it aint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 Had us down for a quid to win 4 nil at Peterborough on Saturday at 22-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 Had us down for a quid to win 4 nil at Peterborough on Saturday at 22-1. Quick, we need to check you in to re-hab!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 Had us down for a quid to win 4 nil at Peterborough on Saturday at 22-1. Stupid bet, we were at home and it was Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithd Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 Feed him bleach! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rut Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 Move to America and then you will look back fondly on being able to lose that fiver on 'Saints to win 6-0' and you would love for gambling adverts to appear during games. Gambling is only bad if you let it get that way. Same as drinking or breaking the speed limit in a car. Beer & fast cars are advertised - so why not bookies? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_Internet_Gambling_Enforcement_Act_of_2006 is the worst law ever passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 Move to America and then you will look back fondly on being able to lose that fiver on 'Saints to win 6-0' and you would love for gambling adverts to appear during games. Gambling is only bad if you let it get that way. Same as drinking or breaking the speed limit in a car. Beer & fast cars are advertised - so why not bookies? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_Internet_Gambling_Enforcement_Act_of_2006 is the worst law ever passed. US gambling law is a mess. How come it is generally illegal to gamble, but ok in places like Vegas, Atlantic City and all the Native American Casinos? What about state lotteries, or the people on Wall Street gambling on share prices and get bailed out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 There are plenty of alcohol support groups but it doesn't stop alcohol being advertised... Alcohol is different though. In moderation it wont harm you. Infact it can be good for you. It's down to the person to use it responsily. Just like it's down to the person to use their car responsibly. Alcohol companies advertise very responsibly. There are so many rules to getting your alcohol brand on TV now it's almost hard to make it interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 Ahahahaha, yer, I meant tuesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 US gambling law is a mess. How come it is generally illegal to gamble, but ok in places like Vegas, Atlantic City and all the Native American Casinos? What about state lotteries, or the people on Wall Street gambling on share prices and get bailed out? Its not a mess - its simply down to state rather than federal law so there is a patchwork of whats allowed and whats not. Las Vegas and Reno in Nevada exist exactly because neighbouring California outlaws most gambling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 Its not a mess - its simply down to state rather than federal law so there is a patchwork of whats allowed and whats not. Las Vegas and Reno in Nevada exist exactly because neighbouring California outlaws most gambling. Agree with you on the letter of the law, but you've still got casinos on Native American reservations and state lotteries exist inside states where gambling is officially banned. The Native Americans get away with it because they have a fair amount of sovereignty over their reservations ( they don't pay tax, for example ). You've also got the Wall Street factor, essentially gambling with higher rewards, better garb and more consequences for everyone if it all goes wrong. There are massive double standards at play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 3 November, 2011 Share Posted 3 November, 2011 (edited) Agree with you on the letter of the law, but you've still got casinos on Native American reservations and state lotteries exist inside states where gambling is officially banned. The Native Americans get away with it because they have a fair amount of sovereignty over their reservations ( they don't pay tax, for example ). You've also got the Wall Street factor, essentially gambling with higher rewards, better garb and more consequences for everyone if it all goes wrong. There are massive double standards at play. I dont think its double standards, simply a wide range of values being represented. In order for there to be double standards at play would require some sort of uniform and homogenous values. People who think of a homogenous US are really not seeing whats there, cultural origin still plays a strong part even after many decades. The attitudes and values of West Virginia coal miners of working class German origin is totally different to, Massachusetts English origin middle class academics, Mexican or Cuban immigrants in S California or Florida, the Mennonites in Ohio, Mormon Utahites or Swedish farmers and engineers in Minnesota. Some or none of those may agree with legalised gambling or the Wall Street excesses Edited 3 November, 2011 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rut Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 US gambling law is a mess. This sums it up well. Here in Indiana: - I can buy as many lottery tickets as I want - I can go to a bar and put as much money as I want into some machine that gives out fruit machine type scratch cards (no actual fruities are allowed but this is basically the same thing) - In the center of downtown Indianapolis there is an off-track bookies. It has 3 levels with 100's of TV's. You can drink and smoke there. You can bet on any horse race you want (no sports book though) - There are quite a few casino's in Indiana where I can play all the usual games for real money and lose a small fortune So I can gamble here - but I can't easily play a $10 sit 'n' go online poker game or put $20 on Saints to win the league - cos it is illegal. Yep - it's a mess. That UIGEA bill should be shot down - it was pushed through sneakily at the end of Bush's tenure. A great passing shot - thanks George. Tw#t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 Alcohol is different though. In moderation it wont harm you. Infact it can be good for you. It's down to the person to use it responsily. Just like it's down to the person to use their car responsibly. Alcohol companies advertise very responsibly. There are so many rules to getting your alcohol brand on TV now it's almost hard to make it interesting. So let me get this straight... In moderation you are saying alcohol won't harm you but betting will? So the £5 I put on Saints 3-1, Lambert first goal every home game is damaging me more than say, a small glass of red white 4 nights a week? Gambling can be good for you too, if you win. Surely it is down to the punter to gamble responsibly too? Gambling companies also advertise responsibly. Yes, some of their adverts are rather annoying but when they are advertising certain bets, its always £10 wins you £100, not £1000 wins you £10,000. They never claim to be the answer to your financial problems and like alcohol, always urge their punters to bet responsibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 Do you remember when the Labour party was going to create all those super casinos? They banged on and on about how good for the economy it was going to be. Rubbish. Just transfers wealth from gullible egiots to the mafia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 So let me get this straight... In moderation you are saying alcohol won't harm you but betting will? So the £5 I put on Saints 3-1, Lambert first goal every home game is damaging me more than say, a small glass of red white 4 nights a week? Gambling can be good for you too, if you win. Surely it is down to the punter to gamble responsibly too? Gambling companies also advertise responsibly. Yes, some of their adverts are rather annoying but when they are advertising certain bets, its always £10 wins you £100, not £1000 wins you £10,000. They never claim to be the answer to your financial problems and like alcohol, always urge their punters to bet responsibly. What a strange reply....Where did I say betting will harm you? Even your post didn't mention betting or advertising betting. I was responding to the point you made about alcohol advertising. That's all. Advertising smoking was banned because there is no two ways about it, it is bad for you. No matter what. I don't think gambling or alcohol should be made to stop advertising as there is no harm in moderation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 4 November, 2011 Share Posted 4 November, 2011 Well speaking as someone who has managed to fund a S/T through gambling this year I shouldn't really complain. Thing is I really don't find it addictive - I open an account and only bet the money I win. Once that gets to a signficant amount I withdraw it and spend it on something I want. Once I've done that I go months and months without betting so I guess I'm a bookies nightmare - at a guess for a £30 outlay I'm up about 1K. Thing to remember is that anything you win is free money but only if you use it. I can see why people would want it banned though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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