Radio Solent: Lowe gave team-talk

[alpine_saint]

They've equallised now anyway.

[westofshannonsaint]

I was going to post this on the "Lowe's biggest mistake" thread...(but didn't)

 

Lowe's biggest mistake was thinking that he could manage a football club, his fascination with head coaches and revolutionising football have left us where we are today.

 

he may have had good ideas but did not get the right people in to do the job.

 

I hope it motivates the team, but I am not a fan of owners/PLC chairmen/DOF's giving the team a pre-match pep talk.

[Rod Le Shearer]

Oh, come off it. You are crediting Lowe for us leading ? Ridiculous.

 

I think its much more likely the players have been absolutely stunned by public reaction, plus the fact the team looks more balanced than it has all season.

 

look,I got the biggest fish on the first attempt !

too bad it was a sour,uneatable,slimy eel..

[itchen]

Why not wait until the end of the game to gloat?

FWIW Itchen I'll bet I talk to more Charlton supporters than you.

BTW Charlton have a very good chairman who is totally supportive of every manager they have had, and doesn't interfere.

Might explain why he doesn't get blamed?

 

Ask your friends in Charlton what they know of Saints though, how come they know Rupert's name, and what they think of him?

Try and differentiate between Knee jerk Lowe haters and people who judge him by his behaviour and record ?

Otherwise you just look like knee JERKS yourselves.

For me, I'm hoping that we can win this, and not just to prove a point on an internet fan board.

 

 

I don't disagree. Although he made the same mistakes as Lowe did in their relegation season. First, Curbishley left because he couldn't take the club any further (shades of Strachan). He appointed someone from the hated rivals (Dowie, shades of Redknapp) then he replaced him with someone from the backroom staff (shades of Wigley). I grant you he seems to keep a lower profile than Lowe (although I don't live in South East London anymore and so don't see the local press).

[Plumstead_Saint]

I don't disagree. Although he made the same mistakes as Lowe did in their relegation season. First, Curbishley left because he couldn't take the club any further (shades of Strachan). He appointed someone from the hated rivals (Dowie, shades of Redknapp) then he replaced him with someone from the backroom staff (shades of Wigley). I grant you he seems to keep a lower profile than Lowe (although I don't live in South East London anymore and so don't see the local press).

Fair comment.

I feel a lot of sympathy for Charlton after the Dubai consortium appear to have led them up the garden path. hell, they even had an indicative offer, which is more than we managed...

[JustMike]

Whether he has done any good or not isn't the point. He's there as a businessman, not as a football man, and I'm not commenting on his general abilities. What I'm saying is that, particularly in his role, so the **** what if he isn't your "common man", a council-estate born and bred football fan? As someone said, maybe he wanted to show the players he does care? We don't know the full story, but either way, too many people are too rabid and unconsidered about their views. Being a rich hickey sticks and ginger beer "type" shouldn't preclude anyone from getting invovled with football, business-wise or anything else.

 

my comments have nothing to do with him being a "rich hickey" more to do with he knows fook all about football and should leave that side of things to those that do. We all know that the ONLY reason he came back was to protect his investment, what business man wouldnt? If we know this then the players do too. Please dont assume that i thought for one minute that him not being a council estate born and bred football fan didnt give him the right / knowledge to give this so called motivational speech, more of the fact that he isnt qualified enough to do so. I wouldnt give a motivational speech to people you work with and visa versa.

[Micky]

Fair comment.

I feel a lot of sympathy for Charlton after the Dubai consortium appear to have led them up the garden path. hell, they even had an indicative offer, which is more than we managed...

 

Didn't we get a few indicative offers from LLS and Tommac...?? Which I think we may have refused after a period (2 seconds) of due deliberation..!

[qwertySFC]

According to Solent pre-match, Lowe was in the dressing room giving a "pep-talk".

 

Good idea?

 

I wonder if it is Earl Grey in the cups ..??

[NickG]

Not technically according to NickG

 

I know you rate my judgement but sorry I don't appoint the directors!

[NickG]

Not read all of this yet but listening to Radio Hampshire DMG spoke about this in interview;

 

1) he seemed positive about it

2) its ridiculous to say team talk he said to say a few words

3) Jimmy Case said most chairman do the same thing

4) Jimmy Case thought it was a good thing.

 

DMG also said that Lowe did a Q&A session with players to assure them about some issues. Again Case thought this was good and said a lot of chairman would not bother doing that.

Merrington slags JP/Lowe of for everything. He was moaning about Surman coming off in the last minute -but he was limping!

[Weston Saint]

Lowe was at the training ground yesterday talking to the players about the club finances.

 

Nothing wrong with him visiting the dressing rooms before a game. He does it most matches. What would be wrong is if he dictates selection and tactics or interferes.

[Dalek2003]

If JP hasn't got that authority then, given that these players were always going to be our "plan A" this season, Lowe has made another pathetic appointment. Surely he should have made sure there was a suitable "motivator", someone to be respected, a figure of authority who can't be undermined or messed with.... Nigel Pearson?

 

Like I indicated above, I don't see anything wrong with a "good luck lads", but to occupy significant pre-match time in the dressing room (if that is what he has done) is just rather queer and screams of a lack of confidence in the team management.

 

The fact that Jan has no authority is like the Sturrock episode all over again.

[NickG]

Lowe was at the training ground yesterday talking to the players about the club finances.

 

Nothing wrong with him visiting the dressing rooms before a game. He does it most matches. What would be wrong is if he dictates selection and tactics or interferes.

 

agree -and only account we have was DMG who said a few positive words.

[1976_Child]

duck hunter in the changing room eh? What a pr!ck

[um pahars]

Lowe was at the training ground yesterday talking to the players about the club finances.

 

Nothing wrong with him visiting the dressing rooms before a game. He does it most matches. What would be wrong is if he dictates selection and tactics or interferes.

 

Ahem, anyone going to say anything?????

[up and away]

They've equallised now anyway.

 

Glad something managed to bring the smile back to your face!

[Weston Saint]

Ahem, anyone going to say anything?????

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[corsacar saint]

We as fans can say what we like, Mcgoldrick does not have the right as a player to

criticise Lowe. As far as I am concerned the pompous, arrogant prat should not be any

where near the players before the game.

[Ponty]

lol... ridiculous.

 

If my company was in financial trouble, a bit of reassurance from the boss would go some way to helping me worry about the right things, like playing football, instead.

 

Some of you lot are class snobs to the extreme.

[Roman]

Some of you lot are class snobs to the extreme.

 

Indupitably. Lowe is a lower-class oik.

[docker-p]

lol... ridiculous.

 

If my company was in financial trouble, a bit of reassurance from the boss would go some way to helping me worry about the right things, like playing football, instead.

 

Some of you lot are class snobs to the extreme.

 

you better believe it baby. I would gladly shoot Lowe simply for going to a second rate public school forget about everything else.

[saintstr1]

Surely everybody knows about the Love in between Lowe & Mcgoldrick, so I would not take any notice of what Mcgoldrick says about it. Mcgoldrick wouldn't even get a game if it wasn't for his sponser Woopert .

[St Marco]

lol... ridiculous.

 

If my company was in financial trouble, a bit of reassurance from the boss would go some way to helping me worry about the right things, like playing football, instead.

 

Some of you lot are class snobs to the extreme.

 

If that is what he did why did he need to do it a few mins before the match? Couldn't he have told them the day before or maybe at the Swansea game after we loaned out John? I agree with you 100% that if these players were feeling "am i about to be sold?" type mentality then reasurring them that they won't will boost confidence. That would be fine and i think all of us can agree on that. But i don't think that happened. I think he went in there and gave a pep talk i.e you can do it lads. Which is wrong for him to do. Jan should be the guy doing that. And if he can't then why is he the manager?

[corsacar saint]

Ponty, if you were paying attention to weston saints post, he said that Lowe was

talking to the players yesterday at staplewood regarding finances. The question posed

on this thread was what was thought on this forum of Lowe being in the changing room

before the game. If you want to pm me on the subject feel free to do so.[ Like yourself

I will not stoop to vitriol on this site , regarding fellow saints fans].

[Whitey Grandad]

It is never considered a good idea for the chairman to go into the changing room. Besides, if you believe that you have chosen a good manager then you should stand back and let him manage.

[cellone]

I don't have any problem with the chairman talking to the players before a game.

 

Any company where the quelling of rumours, the given assurance's, the things are tough but we have managed to put things back on track for the forseable future and the if we pull together and work hard there is no reason why these harder times are some thing we have be stuck with type thing are always best coming from the horse's mouth in my opinion.

 

The problem I do have is I seem to think I heard D.Mc say that R.L was the manager on 107.

[SuperMikey]

Maybe Lowe ought to give the lads a team talk more often

Seemed to work..

[Ponty]

At the very least, maybe it's an indicator that he cares?

 

Of course, he only cares about his share value, etc. ad nauseum.

[Bailey]

If Lowe was simply in the dressing-room to inform the players of the current financial situation and reassure them then that is absolutely fine by me. However, if he was there to give a team-talk and instruct players on the football side of things, then he has crossed the line and there should be cause for concern. The problem is, we will undoubtedly never know and so there is very little we can do about it.

[eelpie]

our lads are young,and still open for influence from a figure with authorithy. thats something Lowe has got,and maybe not JP so much.

 

if the chairman was any other than Lowe,I`d certainly be delighted for him to give the players a real rollocking after recent performances ! (as a one-off incident)

 

Lowe needs to understand that it's figures of authority the youngsters need ON the pitch.

Lowe loaning them out has been a disaster.

[NickG]

Not read all of this yet but listening to Radio Hampshire DMG spoke about this in interview;

 

1) he seemed positive about it

2) its ridiculous to say team talk he said to say a few words

3) Jimmy Case said most chairman do the same thing

4) Jimmy Case thought it was a good thing.

 

DMG also said that Lowe did a Q&A session with players to assure them about some issues. Again Case thought this was good and said a lot of chairman would not bother doing that.

Merrington slags JP/Lowe of for everything. He was moaning about Surman coming off in the last minute -but he was limping!

 

3 is most relevant one to me -Case has been in a few changing rooms with few good managers and if he says it is the norm why are people on here, who have never been in that situation saying its so bad?

[Tamesaint]

Not read all of this yet but listening to Radio Hampshire DMG spoke about this in interview;

 

1) he seemed positive about it

2) its ridiculous to say team talk he said to say a few words

3) Jimmy Case said most chairman do the same thing

4) Jimmy Case thought it was a good thing.

 

DMG also said that Lowe did a Q&A session with players to assure them about some issues. Again Case thought this was good and said a lot of chairman would not bother doing that.

Merrington slags JP/Lowe of for everything. He was moaning about Surman coming off in the last minute -but he was limping!

 

Jimmy also said:

 

5) Its a pity that Lowe can tell the players what is going on but does not bother to tell the supporters.

 

As he pointed out, if the players were reeassured by what they were told, why not also tell the fans?

[NickG]

3 is most relevant one to me -Case has been in a few changing rooms with few good managers and if he says it is the norm why are people on here, who have never been in that situation saying its so bad?

 

Jimmy also said:

 

5) Its a pity that Lowe can tell the players what is going on but does not bother to tell the supporters.

 

As he pointed out, if the players were reeassured by what they were told, why not also tell the fans?

 

you are right he did but don't think anyone (well maybe a couple) would deny that Lowe alienates fans -thats another debate!

[um pahars]

If my company was in financial trouble, a bit of reassurance from the boss would go some way to helping me worry about the right things, like playing football, instead.

 

I think that would be fair enough and actually a good move.

 

However, I don't think it has to be done a few minutes before a match (and every match at that!!!!).

 

Lowe does not go into the dressing room before every match to reassure the players about the financial state of the Club, nor does he just go in and there just to say "good luck".

 

If you think that it is fine for the CEO/PLC Chairman to go into the changing room before every match and give a pep talk, then of course that's your perogative.

 

What would you and others have been saying if you found out that Hone and/or Dulieu were going in to the dressing room and giving a pep talk????

 

I can tell you that I would have been just as unhappy and would have questioned just exactly what the fckuck was going on!!!!!!!!

[Roman]

At the very least, maybe it's an indicator that he cares?

 

Of course, he only cares about his share value, etc. ad nauseum.

 

But there are two good reasons why it's not the brightest idea to go into the dressing room, as opposed to, say, at the end of the day on the training ground.

 

One is it involves stepping on the toes of the coach/manager in what is very much his domain in the minutes before a crucial match. The message the players carry out onto the pitch has to be that of the manager's, otherwise what's the point of having one?

 

Secondly, whatever Lowe said, it would have heightened the sense of crisis in the club.

 

Lowe's perfectly within his rights to want to talk to the players. Doing it in the dressing just before the match shows poor judgement imo.

[bungle]

Oh, come off it. You are crediting Lowe for us leading ? Ridiculous.

 

I think its much more likely the players have been absolutely stunned by public reaction, plus the fact the team looks more balanced than it has all season.

 

To use an alpineism: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

You didn't 'see' any of the game, how do you know what it 'looked' like?

[Viking Warrior]

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[Delmary]

Its hard to counter argue the fact that Lowe alienates the fans. But is it just a case that the hard core of extreme anti lowe fans on this forum and the likes of chorley and his desciples have so radicalised a number of saints fans

that they now believe lowe is an evil git that he is beiing portrayed as.

 

At least there were 14k plus of fans at the ground last night to get behind the lads. no doubt a very small percentage went purely to hurl abuse at lowe rather than support the team

No. I think this forum has distorted your views m8. IMHO Lowe is bad news for SFC but the majority of Saints fans will always support the team over hurling abuse at the chairman. It's only on rare occasions that the masses at St.Marys turn on Lowe or whoever is in charge to express their frustrations. It's happened before in the past, way before Lowe turned up.

[um pahars]

But is it just a case that the hard core of extreme anti lowe fans on this forum and the likes of chorley and his desciples have so radicalised a number of saints fans that they now believe lowe is an evil git that he is beiing portrayed as.

 

Come back in an hour or so and read that again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

So your theory could be that we have been brainwashed by the Chorley Cult and radicalised like some religious fundamentalists!!!!

 

Let's live in the real world shall we.

 

Football fans aren't stupid and many of them can see exactly what is going on for themselves and make informed judgements about it. Your claim is actually pretty insulting to the thousands of fans who can form their own opinions (be they pro, anti or ambivalent to Lowe).

 

Most will judge Lowe on the basis he wanted be judged, ON RESULTS.

 

If you, Lowe and others think the CEO/Chairman giving a pep talk is fine, then that's your shout, but IMHO I think it's the wrong thing and if anything, actually draws Lowe more into the current misfortunes of our Club.

Not only did he appoint this "revolutionary coaching set up", he is actually a part of it!!!!!!

[OldNick]

Surely everybody knows about the Love in between Lowe & Mcgoldrick, so I would not take any notice of what Mcgoldrick says about it. Mcgoldrick wouldn't even get a game if it wasn't for his sponser Woopert .

If you were at the game last night I'b be surprised at your comment. DMG was one of our better players and looked well worth his place in the team

[Colinjb]

Its hard to counter argue the fact that Lowe alienates the fans. But is it just a case that the hard core of extreme anti lowe fans on this forum and the likes of chorley and his desciples have so radicalised a number of saints fans

that they now believe lowe is an evil git that he is beiing portrayed as.

 

At least there were 14k plus of fans at the ground last night to get behind the lads. no doubt a very small percentage went purely to hurl abuse at lowe rather than support the team

 

Most certainly not, I am strong minded enough to make my own decisions. If I have 'radicalised' at all in your perception it is due to the nature of my own character and how disgusted I am with what is happening.

 

Lowe isn't some evil entity, he isn't some malevolent vengeful force, he is simply a bloody fool who is running this football club into the ground with his eccentric ideas and single minded interest in protecting his own investment. He believes (from what I have seen) his history in business qualifies him to run a football club at all levels, and that is f*cking scary, especially as this time around he seems to be taking things even further then before.

[alpine_saint]

Its hard to counter argue the fact that Lowe alienates the fans. But is it just a case that the hard core of extreme anti lowe fans on this forum and the likes of chorley and his desciples have so radicalised a number of saints fans

that they now believe lowe is an evil git that he is beiing portrayed as.

 

At least there were 14k plus of fans at the ground last night to get behind the lads. no doubt a very small percentage went purely to hurl abuse at lowe rather than support the team

 

 

What a truly daft post.

[OldNick]

Come back in an hour or so and read that again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

So your theory could be that we have been brainwashed by the Chorley Cult and radicalised like some religious fundamentalists!!!!

 

Let's live in the real world shall we.

 

Football fans aren't stupid and many of them can see exactly what is going on for themselves and make informed judgements about it. Your claim is actually pretty insulting to the thousands of fans who can form their own opinions (be they pro, anti or ambivalent to Lowe).

 

Most will judge Lowe on the basis he wanted be judged, ON RESULTS.

 

If you, Lowe and others think the CEO/Chairman giving a pep talk is fine, then that's your shout, but IMHO I think it's the wrong thing and if anything, actually draws Lowe more into the current misfortunes of our Club.

Not only did he appoint this "revolutionary coaching set up", he is actually a part of it!!!!!!

Um, I dont know if you listen to Radio Hants, but when DMG said about him going into the dressing room he told us that he went in to wish the players luck etc. He went to the training ground earlier in the day to reassure the players about the clubs situation as they may be concerned. After DMG had finished his interview Jimmy Case who is not a fan of RL, said we shouldnt take too much into this as MOST chairman go into the dressing room before the game to wish the players luck ad give them 'you can beat them' type things.

Whilst i dont like RL's input into team matters he is not giving team talks.

I fear we ALL are taking too much attention to the politics rather than the football, which apart from the disappointing fnal score was a good entertaining game.I enjoyed the game as it was full of inventive and pleasing football.

As long as we can stay up next season will be far more enjoyable.

[Norm]

if this is a one-off incident,why not..?

 

could be good for the players to hear/see that people at the very top does care,and perhaps get another angle than what mr. Poortvliet offers.

after recent results,I cant see it doing any harm,TBF !

 

if our chairman wasnt Lowe,most fans would be glad for the head honcho to give the lads a pep talk in tough times,IMO.

 

 

Exactly how I feel!

He gives the team a geeup, fans call for his blood!

He sits in the stand and gives the dressing room a miss, fans call for his blood because he's 'aloof' etc.

No win.

 

Loook, I don't give a stuff for names (The board etc) I've supported the Saints for 52 years now and if ever we need to support the team, it's NOW! That's why I went last night. I wasn't going to but we need to forget the politics and think team.

[um pahars]

Um, I dont know if you listen to Radio Hants, but when DMG said about him going into the dressing room he told us that he went in to wish the players luck etc. He went to the training ground earlier in the day to reassure the players about the clubs situation as they may be concerned. After DMG had finished his interview Jimmy Case who is not a fan of RL, said we shouldnt take too much into this as MOST chairman go into the dressing room before the game to wish the players luck ad give them 'you can beat them' type things.

Whilst i dont like RL's input into team matters he is not giving team talks.

I fear we ALL are taking too much attention to the politics rather than the football, which apart from the disappointing fnal score was a good entertaining game.I enjoyed the game as it was full of inventive and pleasing football.

As long as we can stay up next season will be far more enjoyable.

 

And I don't think there is anything wrong with this and that type of thing happens at most Clubs.

 

However, is that all the limit of Lowe's involvement with all things to do with the first team?????

 

Straight answer please from what you know.

 

If you're going to come and contribute to these threads and play down things, then you should expect to be put on the spot about things in the same domain. If you'd have kept your head down then fine, but if questioning other people on here, then you should expect the same back.

So, what, to your knowledge, is Lowe's involvement in first team matters, and what is his role in this "revolutionary coaching set up"?

[um pahars]

[/b]

 

 

Exactly how I feel!

He gives the team a geeup, fans call for his blood!

He sits in the stand and gives the dressing room a miss, fans call for his blood because he's 'aloof' etc.

No win.

 

Loook, I don't give a stuff for names (The board etc) I've supported the Saints for 52 years now and if ever we need to support the team, it's NOW! That's why I went last night. I wasn't going to but we need to forget the politics and think team.

 

Absolute rubbish!!!!!!!!

 

Show me one post where Lowe has been called aloof because he gives the dressing room amiss???????

 

And now he has crossed the line, and because he is an intrinsic part of the "revolutionary coaching set up" he is de facto part of the team, as much as Jan is and will therefore going to get shot at.

[corsacar saint]

Good post Colinjb, at the end of the day Lowe is a businessman, who knows absolutely

nothing about football. He should therefore be nowhere near the changing rooms before

a game.

[dubai_phil]

Only the unwise or the unruly mob pass judgement without the full facts.

 

because we are all deeply upset and annoyed about the situation around the club at the moment we see this and we react.

 

But what ACTUALLY happened? what was said? and why?

 

For example the players COULD have been "uneasy" about the situation with SJ leaving and Lowe COULD have been asked to make a short statement reassuring the lads.

 

JP could have asked for it

RL could have been telling them it was the last game for the club so play your hearts out as we will be gone tomorrow

Could be he went in to tell them his favourite Spurs joke

Could be he went in and redefined the tactics

Could be he went in to hug DMG

Could be he went in to tell them who had to mark Clinton Morrison

 

We don't KNOW.

 

At the same time we don't KNOW whether this is Merrington trying to undermine the current regime and push the price of the club down to the 75 pence him and his mates have found down the back of the sofa

 

Should the chairman go into the dressing room before a game? No

Could there be a set of circumstances where the chairman SHOULD go into the dressing room before the game? Yes there could.

 

I'm not happy about things at the moment, but I am also starting to get suspicious that besides REALLY P*SSED OFF FANS there could be some "darker forces" at work.

First the Echo photo about Rupert on the touchline, then the Solent pep talk story.....

 

Just the merest hint of the faint smell of fish wafting across into this direction

[solentstars]

Lowe was at the training ground yesterday talking to the players about the club finances.

 

Nothing wrong with him visiting the dressing rooms before a game. He does it most matches. What would be wrong is if he dictates selection and tactics or interferes.

i agree but all we seem to get our more nonsence threads and storys about lowe ,crouch,wilde .

[um pahars]

First the Echo photo about Rupert on the touchline, then the Solent pep talk story.....

 

Come on Phil, the reason that they printed the Lowe on the touchline picture was because Lowe was on the touchline pre match with the Head Coach.

 

The reason Solent (and Radio Hampshire) reported Lowe was in the dressing room pre match, was because he was in the dressing room pre match.

 

These things aren't being fabricated, they are happening in real life. And it's not the first time that Lowe has gone into the dressing room pre match either (then again, maybe he's going through your list of reasons why he should be there one by one).

 

Let's not be naive here, Lowe is doing more than CEO/Chairman normally does at this Club.