what has happened to Jason Puncheon...?

[lambertsrightleg]

NA has given him two chances, will he get another? i very much doubt it. However, he always mentions us in a friendly manner on twitter

[Foxstone]

Nigel is building the squad with the dual attributes of ability and attitude underpinning everything.

 

Each player must possess both of these qualities - One will not do!

 

Puncheon has ability but his past attitude is poor - Therefore he is not part of the direction we are headed

[david in sweden]

Nigel is building the squad with the dual attributes of ability and attitude underpinning everything.

 

Each player must possess both of these qualities - One will not do!

 

Puncheon has ability but his past attitude is poor - Therefore he is not part of the direction we are headed

 

 

......and I pretty sure that's part of the reason we didn't sign the " Fontaine " guy from Brizzle.

 

having someone with the wrong mindset can destroy the team morale.

[Jimmy_D]

If JP ends up back here for any length of time, it's possible he'll get back in the team.

 

He'd have to prove to Adkins and just as importantly the team that he wants to be here though, that his attitude has changed.

 

He won't be given another chance for free, but it's possible he might be able to earn one if he gets his head down and works hard in training here after his loan finishes.

[Mowgli]

It does make me laugh that we have condemned the bloke for doing something that we're not sure about, to offend someone in the club that we can't quite name and for wanting to make a fresh start elsewhere as a result. The only thing we do know for sure is that he trained and played with the youth team before going off to QPR and his attitude during that time was spot on. Since leaving he has not bad mouthed the club in any way - quite the opposite in fact.

 

Fortunately, I trust the club to be bigger than people on this forum and to do the right thing for him if/ when he returns. If he wants to play for us I am sure he will get a chance. If he does not, he wil leave in the summer. There's no point in trying to recover what we paid for him. It just aint gonna happen.

[The Kraken]

If JP ends up back here for any length of time, it's possible he'll get back in the team.

 

He'd have to prove to Adkins and just as importantly the team that he wants to be here though, that his attitude has changed.

 

He won't be given another chance for free, but it's possible he might be able to earn one if he gets his head down and works hard in training here after his loan finishes.

 

I'm pretty sure he won't be given another chance. There was a radio interview with Adkins about Puncheon when we first binned him out on loan and Adkins was absolutely adamant that he'd never come back under him.

[LeBenali]

Puncheon did a bit of a Q & A on his Twitter page earlier, with a few Saints related questions being banded around.

 

*He stated David Connolly has been the most motivational player in his career

 

*Lallana is the best Saints player (and the best player outside the Premier League)

 

*His worst moment in football was playing for us at St Marys vs Rochdale (was this the game where he was booed everytime he blazed a shot over?)

 

*Took a pay cut to go to QPR (info already out in the open)

 

*Didn't join Blackpool in the summer because "they wouldn't pay the money Southampton wanted"

 

*Said "who know's what the future holds" when asked if he'd return to Saints in January(!)

 

Nothing too revolutionary overall, but all Saints related, so thought I'd share.

[trousers]

Puncheon did a bit of a Q & A on his Twitter page earlier, with a few Saints related questions being banded around.

 

*He stated David Connolly has been the most motivational player in his career

 

*Lallana is the best Saints player (and the best player outside the Premier League)

 

*His worst moment in football was playing for us at St Marys vs Rochdale (was this the game where he was booed everytime he blazed a shot over?)

 

*Took a pay cut to go to QPR (info already out in the open)

 

*Didn't join Blackpool in the summer because "they wouldn't pay the money Southampton wanted"

 

*Said "who know's what the future holds" when asked if he'd return to Saints in January(!)

 

Nothing too revolutionary overall, but all Saints related, so thought I'd share.

 

Cheers for posting that summary.

 

No-one asked him the obvious question...?

[beatlesaint]

Puncheon did a bit of a Q & A on his Twitter page earlier, with a few Saints related questions being banded around.

 

*He stated David Connolly has been the most motivational player in his career

 

He should take a leaf out of his book then and learn what it takes to be a model professional who when injured or out of the team doesnt sulk or mope about but just works their way back into contention.

[alpine_saint]

Puncheon did a bit of a Q & A on his Twitter page earlier, with a few Saints related questions being banded around.

 

*He stated David Connolly has been the most motivational player in his career

 

*Lallana is the best Saints player (and the best player outside the Premier League)

 

*His worst moment in football was playing for us at St Marys vs Rochdale (was this the game where he was booed everytime he blazed a shot over?)

 

*Took a pay cut to go to QPR (info already out in the open)

 

*Didn't join Blackpool in the summer because "they wouldn't pay the money Southampton wanted"

 

*Said "who know's what the future holds" when asked if he'd return to Saints in January(!)

 

Nothing too revolutionary overall, but all Saints related, so thought I'd share.

 

Talk about hedging his bets..

[Minsk]

......and I pretty sure that's part of the reason we didn't sign the " Fontaine " guy from Brizzle.

 

having someone with the wrong mindset can destroy the team morale.

 

I think we didn't sign Fontaine because the medical showed he was 2 months away from being able to play.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if we signed him in January.

[Mowgli]

He should take a leaf out of his book then and learn what it takes to be a model professional who when injured or out of the team doesnt sulk or mope about but just works their way back into contention.

 

or just make stuff up to sound sensational.

[Flyer]

Theres no chance he stays at QPR , hes only had about 30 mins playing time and is regularly left out of the match day squad but nothing has ever leaked out about him being unhappy.

[for_heaven's_Saint]

Sent home with Tonsillitis today lol.

[Super_Saint]

There has been some talk about his future on his twitter. His loan ends in 1 month, he hasn't exactly set the PL alight. I think he has only played two times this season.

 

Would you welcome him back or should try to cash in on him/loan?

 

I'm in two minds really, He would add more depth and options to the squad no doubt. I never really questioned his ability, just his attitude. I think todays result has me in a gloomy mood to be considering having him back.

[Stepgar]

If he was prepared to shake up his attitude and be a part of the squad then yeah. This is business at the end of the day. Nothing personal.

[cellone]

Would always have a few fans on his back, not sure it could work.

[Saints foreva]

Would always have a few fans on his back, not sure it could work.

 

Football fans are fickle, if JP came back and re-captured the form he showed at Millwall last season then all would be forgotten.

[Saint Charlie]

I asked him last night on Twitter if he would come back and play for us. His answer was 'ask the fans in the corner' (the ones who booed him).

 

Decent player, was made scapegoat for our poor start to last season.

[eurosaint]

I reckon that we will use him in a part exchange for Maynard and Asamoah (possibly with Dickson in the deal too!).

Probably boll!x but you heard it here first !!

[Dalek2003]

A risky move !

[Spudders]

I asked him last night on Twitter if he would come back and play for us. His answer was 'ask the fans in the corner' (the ones who booed him).

oh boohoohooooo, poor me, some nasty fans made a booboo sound at me, what am I to do mummy, they make me feel all sad and stuff. I could prove them wrong by playing to the best of my ability I suppose, but that seems like a bit of an effort, maybe my sulky face will get people off my back, failing that, if QPR don't want me I'll go on loan somewhere else, there's still many clubs i could try that may have fans who don't say nastywasties at me. Oh mummy, even thinking about the mean Southampton fans has made me do a whoopsie in my pants, whaaaaah, whaaaaah, whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

[ottery st mary]

Funnily enough he is what we are missing after Chappers injury.....

 

Would have him in the side at the moment...

 

Doubt if our Nigel will take him back though...

 

WIFM

[ludgershallsaint]

If he comes back NA is going to have to give him another chance. You can't leave any asset lying around losing value.

Come January they're going to need each other!

[VectisSaint]

If he comes back NA is going to have to give him another chance. You can't leave any asset lying around losing value.

Come January they're going to need each other!

Does he have a value? I don't recall any offers for him in the summer and he allegedly paid the QPR loan fee himself. NA has stated he will not play for Saints again. Should tear up his contract, pay him off and get shot.

[Dalek2003]

Does he have a value? I don't recall any offers for him in the summer and he allegedly paid the QPR loan fee himself. NA has stated he will not play for Saints again. Should tear up his contract, pay him off and get shot.

 

Yes, otherwise thw authority of the manager will be undermined. We know what happens then aka Sturrock et al.

[Nexstar]

I have been one of Puncheon's biggest critics in the passed, making comments regarding his attitude that I still stand by.

 

However, he clearly wants to be playing more football and making two sub appearance for QPR is not going to see Cortese's valuation of him met anytime soon. We have Lallana filling the flair role on one wing, with Chaplow putting in hard-working and creative performances when pushed out wide. Puncheon can fill that gap of flair on the opposing wing, which SDR has yet to show from the start of a game. De Ridder has said he doesn't have a preference over being a winger/striker but we haven't really had the chance to see him in the latter yet (Barely got the ball yesterday).

 

Personally I think the issues from Puncheon stemmed out of the competition with Chamberlain. We were in a period of managerial turmoil when the Rochdale game came about. A time which Puncheon described as his worst day in football (He was rubbish, people boo'd). Puncheon is having a hard time of it and hasn't scored since April, Chambo comes in and scores 4 in 4. Not many people like to see somebody far younger than them and on about a tenth of their wage doing twice the job. Things obviously came to a head when Puncheon refused to travel to Tranmere and that was about the last we saw of him in a Saints shirt.

 

He can clearly cut it at the top end of the Championship and if he can iron out the passed with the management then he could do a very good job for us.

[SuperSAINT]

I think he's burnt his bridges with both Nigel + Nicola.....

 

With that said, if he could get his head right & bridges were re-built, there is no doubt he could come back and make an impact for us in the league IMO.

[Saint Stimp]

I think he's burnt his bridges with both Nigel + Nicola.....

 

With that said, if he could get his head right & bridges were re-built, there is no doubt he could come back and make an impact for us in the league IMO.

 

I agree with this, think the fact that quite a bit of time has passed has lowered my hostility towards him. When he went I was pretty glad, now I think he'd be a good player to have in the squad if, as you say, he can get his head right and re-build those bridges.

[VectisSaint]

However, he clearly wants to be playing more football

On what evidence? In my view he clearly wants to continue to be paid as a professional footballer, but there is no evidence that he wants to be playing more football. Poor attitude much of which stemmed from his behaviour (disrespect) at the Memorial Service for Markus. He thinks (mistakenly) that he is a Billy Big ******** player who has been found out at almost every club he has blessed with his presence and who is a disruptive presence in the dressing room/training ground (allegedly). He also isn't really any good. I would be very disappointed if NA were to make a u-turn and allow the guy back into SMS. Good riddance.

[Crowds]

Just the sort of player we could do with right now!!

[Nexstar]

On what evidence? In my view he clearly wants to continue to be paid as a professional footballer, but there is no evidence that he wants to be playing more football. Poor attitude much of which stemmed from his behaviour (disrespect) at the Memorial Service for Markus. He thinks (mistakenly) that he is a Billy Big ******** player who has been found out at almost every club he has blessed with his presence and who is a disruptive presence in the dressing room/training ground (allegedly). He also isn't really any good. I would be very disappointed if NA were to make a u-turn and allow the guy back into SMS. Good riddance.

 

Based on what he said on Twitter last night.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Just the sort of player we could do with right now!!

 

I would say the better player who replaced him last season - Alex Oxlade Chamberlain - is the lad we could really do with right now.

[david in sweden]

The club is foremost to be considered. Adkins is the manager and his authority is paramount.

However, Puncheon seems equally bull-headed in his attitude........methinks that a good heart-to heart and mutual hatchet-burying would be in order.

 

I recall that Lawrie Mc. had a way with one or two " troublesome types " Mark Dennis for one, and got them back on the right track.

Why can't Nigel give him another chance..if we are to sew up this automatic promotion, we'll need all hands to help out.

 

If he screws up AGAIN.. then we can be off with him for good. IF ...he can get his act together.. he can become a Prem. player ...with us !

[steadyeddie]

Some people really have short memories on here. I really wanted JP to do well, as I do any Saints player who plays for us, but the time comes when you say ENOUGH!

He doesnt want to be on the Bus, and I dont want him on it.

[RobM]

I asked him last night on Twitter if he would come back and play for us. His answer was 'ask the fans in the corner' (the ones who booed him).

 

Decent player, was made scapegoat for our poor start to last season.

 

I think that answer tells you everything you need to know. That answer sounds like he isn't bothered, will go wherever, isn't willing to fight to prove himself, not much drive at all. Even a slight change in wording with the same meaning would have been better, perhaps 'If I'm wanted'.

[david in sweden]

I think that answer tells you everything you need to know.

That answer sounds like he isn't bothered, will go wherever, isn't willing to fight to prove himself, not much drive at all.

Even a slight change in wording with the same meaning would have been better, perhaps 'If I'm wanted'.

 

tbf..if that was a comment on Twitter, you don't know how he thought when he wrote it . There are at least two scenarios here;

 

1).." I'd like to come back, but the fans (in the corner) hate me and wouldn't accept me back."

 

2).." Listen to those fans in the corner .. and you've got my answer."

 

this is precisely why, comments misunderstood, or taken out of context are so often misinterpreted by others.

example ".....you've never had it so good ..."

 

IF.. JP had said.. " SFC is the last club I would want to play for.... I'd sooner quit the game " - you'd get a more accurate answer.

 

Reading your comments, Rob M. I can't say that I'm convinced that means he's closed the door on a return...sounds a bit ambiguous to me.

 

But at the end of the day, it's Nigel Adkins who needs to be convinced - not you and me. If he does come back (unlikely as it may seem) and scores again...

he'll be quickly accepted again. How many of you have had a blazing row with your boss at some time, but you still got your job ...?

Edited 5 December, 2011 by david in sweden

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Nigel and Nicola have the say as to if he comes back and i would respect the decision made

 

Question is would all of us?

 

Booing of your own players serves no purpose at all

 

FWIW...I believe it will/would not happen...but you never know

[david in sweden]

Nigel and Nicola have the say as to if he comes back and i would respect the decision made

Question is would all of us?

Booing of your own players serves no purpose at all

FWIW...I believe it will/would not happen...but you never know

 

 

we should highlight two major points,

Firstly the manager /management has control of the club and what they say goes ..as long as they have the job...

BUT

there has to be a place for sensible /sane discussion where there is a problem not easily solved. Test ban treaties aren't negociated over night and the future of the club / any single player deserves more time than just a few hastily, ill-chosen words shouted in the heat of the moment.

 

It may well be that JP has played his last game for SFC. He may move on a career with another club..or even sink to the depth of L2 , but most people would agree that an on-form JP deserves much better than that. Mistakes are made...and SFC is no exception. Some of the misjudgements we've made are monumental.

 

key cases; Kevin Phillips (one-time Saints junior full back) released at 17 , dropped down into non-league football before climbing back into the FL, then Premiership ..30+ Prem. goals with Sunderland..and England honours. It later cost us over £3 million to get him back for a couple of fruitless seasons.

....and what if ...Strachan and Kevin Davies had got along better?. Freed to Bolton, he has been the mainstay of their team for almost 10 years.

 

Maybe Puncheon is a waste of space ... but SFC should be absolutely certain to make the correct decision ...in case he may come back to haunt us at a later date !

[Saint Garrett]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11688/7362643/

 

Millwall Keen.

[Daren W]

we should highlight two major points,

Firstly the manager /management has control of the club and what they say goes ..as long as they have the job...

BUT

there has to be a place for sensible /sane discussion where there is a problem not easily solved. Test ban treaties aren't negociated over night and the future of the club / any single player deserves more time than just a few hastily, ill-chosen words shouted in the heat of the moment.

 

It may well be that JP has played his last game for SFC. He may move on a career with another club..or even sink to the depth of L2 , but most people would agree that an on-form JP deserves much better than that. Mistakes are made...and SFC is no exception. Some of the misjudgements we've made are monumental.

 

key cases; Kevin Phillips (one-time Saints junior full back) released at 17 , dropped down into non-league football before climbing back into the FL, then Premiership ..30+ Prem. goals with Sunderland..and England honours. It later cost us over £3 million to get him back for a couple of fruitless seasons.

....and what if ...Strachan and Kevin Davies had got along better?. Freed to Bolton, he has been the mainstay of their team for almost 10 years.

 

Maybe Puncheon is a waste of space ... but SFC should be absolutely certain to make the correct decision ...in case he may come back to haunt us at a later date !

 

Probably not the best cases to use though, Phillips was a mistake as was Davies the second time around...

Sometimes it just isn't right, no matter how talented the player is...

[the saint in winchester]

Agree with the last two comments.

Phillips was really good for us, formed an excellent pairing with Crouch - the old big one and a little one. IIRC he only left as with relegation Lowe was threatening to invoke the 50% pay cut clause in his contract. Like most players, he thought "I'm off then." I never held that against him and he was consistently good with clubs after us, and I'm sure will get more goals this season.

Kevin Davies - don't get me started - completely under-used by Saints. Was delighted we got him back for a second stint then annoyed he wasn't given a chance to stake a claim for a regular starting place. Was always arguing for this with fans around me and they all said "not til he loses some weight and gets fit." He was never given a chance, and I'm pleased for him his career got back on track after Saints. As noted above, a top player in the Premiership now.

[david in sweden]

Kevin Phillips scored far more goals than many other strikers we've had in the top flight. No-one could have called signing him for 3m at that stage a mistake. Didn't turn out well with relegation, but he's amongst those I'd blame the least for that. Goalscoring was only a proper early on when everyone was injured and we had best and blackstock up front. It was defence, midfield and keepers consistently letting us down that season. And a pathetic captain. And a manager barely interested enough to stay awake of course.

 

On one point I agree with you Adrians..I thought Phillips was a good buy ..even at £3.25 mill...and I was sorry to see him go ..especially after only 2 seasons.

BUT unfortunately his goal-scoring record wasn't nearly as good as you suggest - even if his approach play and assist were great to watch.

 

Sunderland got a great deal when they bought him for 600K and he had 6 good seasons at Sunderland and left with a record of 113 goals from 208 games.

This is better then 0.5 goals per game average, and that's mighty good in any league.

In his two years with us.. he managed only 22 goals in 64 starts (over slightly over 0.3 g/p/g) ..a really quite ordinary return for any front line striker.

Of course, as you argue we had a poor side without any real "stand-out " players in that time, and were struggling to avoid relegation in that last season.

 

His move to Villa (for £1 million) was a substantial loss for SFC and although he had an indifferent spell with Villa, his move to WBA saw him revive his old self and he scored 38 goals in 71 starts. Again, better than that magical 0.5 goal stat. His eventual moves to Birmingham and later Blackpool showed how good management of an older player works and time and again he came on as sub.in the last quarter and scored valuable goals (for both sides).

 

He's certainly one of the fittest strikers still around .. and was 38 in July. Barring injuries we'll still be seeing him on the scoring lists when he's past 40.

I only hope that Ollie doesn't have him on the bench on Saturday ! - bad vibes!

 

HOWEVER, IF YOU RECALL ..this thread is about Jason Puncheon, and few people on here seem to be sure whether he should get a reprieve or not !

Edited 9 December, 2011 by david in sweden