OVER THE HILL Posted 30 October, 2011 Share Posted 30 October, 2011 http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/280146/-535-000-public-funds-for-Thatcher Lady Thatcher has claimed £535,0000 of taxpayers cash in the last five years.Is it no wonder people have no respect for politicians . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 30 October, 2011 Share Posted 30 October, 2011 Is embalming fluid that expensive then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 30 October, 2011 Share Posted 30 October, 2011 She died about 10 years ago didn't she? Her and Bruce Forsyth can't possibly still be alive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVER THE HILL Posted 30 October, 2011 Author Share Posted 30 October, 2011 I believe she's suffering from Alzheimers now so somebody must be claiming it on her behalf . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 30 October, 2011 Share Posted 30 October, 2011 I believe she's suffering from Alzheimers now so somebody must be claiming it on her behalf . Its Dune claiming for their KY jelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVER THE HILL Posted 30 October, 2011 Author Share Posted 30 October, 2011 Its Dune claiming for their KY jelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 30 October, 2011 Share Posted 30 October, 2011 Its Dune claiming for their KY jelly LOFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 30 October, 2011 Share Posted 30 October, 2011 I believe she's suffering from Alzheimers now so somebody must be claiming it on her behalf . Its Dune claiming for their KY jelly *LIKE* Has he got that lawnmower back from her son yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 30 October, 2011 Share Posted 30 October, 2011 Always liked Thatcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint137 Posted 30 October, 2011 Share Posted 30 October, 2011 Not long now. I have a bottle in the cellar and a Montecristo ready for the celebration (irony) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVER THE HILL Posted 30 October, 2011 Author Share Posted 30 October, 2011 What's this about lawnmowers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 31 October, 2011 Share Posted 31 October, 2011 If only that was all she'd cost this country! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 31 October, 2011 Share Posted 31 October, 2011 (edited) "The myth of Thatcherism The idea that Britain’s problems are all the fault of the evil ‘Mrs T’ distorts history—and lets the left and Labour off the hook. If Thatcher was all about deregulating the market and promoting an ‘enterprise culture’ – an ideology which, according to one observer writing last week, gave rise to an ‘inner emptiness’ amongst the British public, a ‘constant hunger for more’ – then the current bailout strategies mark ‘the passing of Thatcher’s ideology’ . Many liberal and left-wing commentators have been dancing on its grave. Writer Hanif Kureishi is delighted that we’ve emerged from the ‘Thatcherite spell of deregulation’. There is a Facebook group called ‘Thatcherism has now been formally discredited. Let’s throw a party!’ – though with only 54 members, it is trailing badly behind ‘No state funeral for Thatcher’ (which has 11,147 signatories). The idea that Britain has, until these past few weeks, been under the ‘spell’ of Thatcherism, even that her so-called ideology unleashed a wave of ‘mental illness’ amongst a consumption-obsessed public, shows the powerful grip that the bogeyman of Thatcherism still has on public debate. But that is all Thatcherism is today: a bogeyman, a dirty word uttered by liberal commentators to describe everything bad that has happened in British politics since 1979. I am implacably opposed to everything Thatcher stood for, but the transformation of this woman into a uniquely powerful, ideologically driven maker of crises, who single-handedly turned Britain from a fair country into a place of ‘unbridled capitalism’ , is built on historical ignorance, political cowardice, and a desperate desire to avoid at any cost a serious debate about capitalism itself. It would be inaccurate to say that ‘reports of Thatcherism’s death are greatly exaggerated’; it is truer to say that reports of the existence of Thatcherism in the first place – as a clear or coherent ideology – are greatly exaggerated. In order that we might have a proper debate about politics over the past 30 years, and where society should be heading in the next 30, it is time to shoot down some of the myths of the Thatcherite era." http://spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/5841 Edited 31 October, 2011 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 31 October, 2011 Share Posted 31 October, 2011 We live in a country where the same people who will be glad to see Thatcher dead are the same people who were happy to see set free a convicted mass murderer just so he could go back to Libya and enjoy the rest of his days as a martyr. ****ed up doesn't even begin to explain it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 31 October, 2011 Share Posted 31 October, 2011 IMO she was the greatest PM since Churchill. It is OK for the trendy lefties to throw their arms up.If you were there in the 70's where Britain was the laughing stock of the world, the trade unions had too much power and a few union leaders had the country by the short and curlies something had to give.Ok, it was pretty hard what was done, but it got the ground right for our economic rise and the standard of living to grow for the vast majority of people. We had to modernise and somebody needed to grasp the nettle. Maggie had the mettle to do so. I feel utter contempt for Blair and Brown and co who have pulled the wool over the poor working mans eyes and shafted them, in the name of the Laabour party, do not believe that they are not the reason we are in the state we are in now. Not Maggie Thatchers doing. I dont wish for them to die, and find it shameful that people are looking forward to Her death, pathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVER THE HILL Posted 31 October, 2011 Author Share Posted 31 October, 2011 So Nick anybody who dosn't think Thatcher is wonderful,the greatest since Churchill ,etc is a trendy leftie ? I was there in the 70's and Thatcher did some good things and many bad things, anyway what's this got to do with the original post ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 31 October, 2011 Share Posted 31 October, 2011 As far as I can see, nobody has seriously wished her dead on this thread anyway. Up tight right wingers getting their knickers in a twist... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 31 October, 2011 Share Posted 31 October, 2011 So Nick anybody who dosn't think Thatcher is wonderful,the greatest since Churchill ,etc is a trendy leftie ? I was there in the 70's and Thatcher did some good things and many bad things, anyway what's this got to do with the original post ?agree the hate the fact that history is showing her has another average pm and compare to a great giant prime minsters like churchill and attlee his was the most significant reforming administration of 20th century Britain. It introduced the National Health Service, nationalised one fifth of the British economy, and granted independence to India and made working class people lives far better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 31 October, 2011 Share Posted 31 October, 2011 As far as I can see, nobody has seriously wished her dead on this thread anyway. Up tight right wingers getting their knickers in a twist... what do you expect from the looney right they see reds under the beds and conspiracy's from anyone abroad and still think we have a empire. i feel sorry for the moderates who are still left in the party having to put up with those losers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbury Posted 31 October, 2011 Share Posted 31 October, 2011 I really did hate her at some point, but also her loathsome apparatchiks more so (Baker particularly). The mantra at the time was 'if you don't own your own car by25, you are a failure'. There was a ruthless drive to self reliance and the view that relying on the state was weak. Pensioners were offered meager rises (and hell, that was a good idea, coz most of them would be dead now and not able to offer comment!). If this story is true, then she, or her POS, is a massive hypocrite. Oh yeah, politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 31 October, 2011 Share Posted 31 October, 2011 So Nick anybody who dosn't think Thatcher is wonderful,the greatest since Churchill ,etc is a trendy leftie ? I was there in the 70's and Thatcher did some good things and many bad things, anyway what's this got to do with the original post ?very true lol, got sidetracked a bit there, Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 31 October, 2011 Share Posted 31 October, 2011 Forget all the nonsense about what she did or didn't do and stick to the meat of the story. Should expremiers be allowed to claim allowences for letters ect connected as a direct result of being PM. Major and Blair also claimed, (Brown is taking money as a back bench MP whilst doing sweet FA for his constituants). Personally, I think there should be an allowence, but it should be lower than the level claimed at present. Johnny Major bought the rules in,and all ex PM's no longer in Parliament are taking advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 31 October, 2011 Share Posted 31 October, 2011 in such tough times wouldn't it be prudent for the current government to put an end to this ex PM annual handout. "We're in this together" my arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 31 October, 2011 Share Posted 31 October, 2011 Forget all the nonsense about what she did or didn't do and stick to the meat of the story. Should expremiers be allowed to claim allowences for letters ect connected as a direct result of being PM. Major and Blair also claimed, (Brown is taking money as a back bench MP whilst doing sweet FA for his constituants). Personally, I think there should be an allowence, but it should be lower than the level claimed at present. Johnny Major bought the rules in,and all ex PM's no longer in Parliament are taking advantage. And you know this how, exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 31 October, 2011 Share Posted 31 October, 2011 I read that Brown declined a large pension that ex-PMs normally get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 31 October, 2011 Share Posted 31 October, 2011 And you know this how, exactly? Has the one eyed idiot been in Westminster since he lost the election? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 31 October, 2011 Share Posted 31 October, 2011 Has the one eyed idiot been in Westminster since he lost the election? Yes, he has. Several times. He has even made a couple of speeches, and he continues to work hard as a local MP in his constituency where he remains incredibly popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 31 October, 2011 Share Posted 31 October, 2011 Yes, he has. Several times. He has even made a couple of speeches, and he continues to work hard as a local MP in his constituency where he remains incredibly popular. Thanks. It's good to have such a connected poster who has met lots of his constituents and discussed his popularity with them. Did they refer to themselves as Scottish of Fifian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 31 October, 2011 Share Posted 31 October, 2011 We live in a country where the same people who will be glad to see Thatcher dead are the same people who were happy to see set free a convicted mass murderer just so he could go back to Libya and enjoy the rest of his days as a martyr. ****ed up doesn't even begin to explain it. Dont always believe what the papers say or what the government tells you. Chances are al megrahi and libya had precisely nothing to do with lockerbie, and that it had everything to do with political expediency. It was most likely a palestinian group who had vowed revenge for the americans "mistakenly" shooting down of an airbus a year or so earlier. This is very well summarised in Paul Foot's "Lockerbie: The flight from justice", and Dr Jim Swire, whose daughter Flora was killed in Lockerbie, is still fighting to bring the people who actually carried out the attack to be brought to justice. Al megrahis trial wasnt carried out in Scotland, where the crime took place, because the scottish courts refused to guarantee a guilty verdict, which is why it was held abroad in a more co-operative atmosphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 31 October, 2011 Share Posted 31 October, 2011 Dont always believe what the papers say or what the government tells you. Chances are al megrahi and libya had precisely nothing to do with lockerbie, and that it had everything to do with political expediency. It was most likely a palestinian group who had vowed revenge for the americans "mistakenly" shooting down of an airbus a year or so earlier. This is very well summarised in Paul Foot's "Lockerbie: The flight from justice", and Dr Jim Swire, whose daughter Flora was killed in Lockerbie, is still fighting to bring the people who actually carried out the attack to be brought to justice. Al megrahis trial wasnt carried out in Scotland, where the crime took place, because the scottish courts refused to guarantee a guilty verdict, which is why it was held abroad in a more co-operative atmosphere. Still, it made a good excuse to assassinate Gadaffi using NATO and get the oil flowing west again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 1 November, 2011 Share Posted 1 November, 2011 Dont always believe what the papers say or what the government tells you. Chances are al megrahi and libya had precisely nothing to do with lockerbie, and that it had everything to do with political expediency. It was most likely a palestinian group who had vowed revenge for the americans "mistakenly" shooting down of an airbus a year or so earlier. This is very well summarised in Paul Foot's "Lockerbie: The flight from justice", and Dr Jim Swire, whose daughter Flora was killed in Lockerbie, is still fighting to bring the people who actually carried out the attack to be brought to justice. Al megrahis trial wasnt carried out in Scotland, where the crime took place, because the scottish courts refused to guarantee a guilty verdict, which is why it was held abroad in a more co-operative atmosphere. In the absence of any factual information (chances are?!?) i prefer to rely on the actual events, i.e. trial and conviction. He was released on "compassionate" grounds and there are plenty of people who support this, but show no compassion to the failing health of an ex PM of this country. That's really my point; selective false emotion. Over the years i've seen posts on here ranging from "wouldn't **** on her is she was on fire" to "can't wait til she's dead". Really quite sad IMHO, the nasty, pernicious diatribes that only she seems to attract. It seems quite a trendy thing to do, hate Thatcher, when i bet most of those spouting this bull were nowhere near a ****ing miners strike or Toxteth or St Pauls during the 80's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 1 November, 2011 Share Posted 1 November, 2011 Yes, he has. Several times. He has even made a couple of speeches, and he continues to work hard as a local MP in his constituency where he remains incredibly popular. Incredible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 1 November, 2011 Share Posted 1 November, 2011 In the absence of any factual information (chances are?!?) i prefer to rely on the actual events, i.e. trial and conviction. He was released on "compassionate" grounds and there are plenty of people who support this, but show no compassion to the failing health of an ex PM of this country. That's really my point; selective false emotion. Over the years i've seen posts on here ranging from "wouldn't **** on her is she was on fire" to "can't wait til she's dead". Really quite sad IMHO, the nasty, pernicious diatribes that only she seems to attract. It seems quite a trendy thing to do, hate Thatcher, when i bet most of those spouting this bull were nowhere near a ****ing miners strike or Toxteth or St Pauls during the 80's. If you look into it theres loads of evidence which was suppressed during the "investigation" that pretty well proves Al Megrahi simply couldnt have been involved. The evidence against Al Megrahi was so flimsy that no UK court would have convicted him, thats why it was held elsewhere. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but have a read of those items, Jim Swire has his own website about it and the Paul Foot one is available online, and you'll see what I mean. I dont care one way or the other about gaddafi, but its hard for the Scottish families who lost loved ones knowing that the perpetrators are still at large and unpunished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 1 November, 2011 Share Posted 1 November, 2011 I really did hate her at some point, but also her loathsome apparatchiks more so (Baker particularly). The mantra at the time was 'if you don't own your own car by25, you are a failure'. There was a ruthless drive to self reliance and the view that relying on the state was weak. Pensioners were offered meager rises (and hell, that was a good idea, coz most of them would be dead now and not able to offer comment!). If this story is true, then she, or her POS, is a massive hypocrite. Oh yeah, politics. Grateful for a link to the stats that show how much the State shrink under Thatcher....cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 1 November, 2011 Share Posted 1 November, 2011 Incredible Well Andy would know. There are no bounds to his knowledge about everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 1 November, 2011 Share Posted 1 November, 2011 Well Andy would know. There are no bounds to his knowledge about everything. [h=3]snide[/h][TABLE=class: ts] [TR] [TD]Adjective:[/TD] [TD][TABLE=class: ts] [TR] [TD]Derogatory or mocking in an indirect way: "snide remarks". (of a person) Devious and underhanded. [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 1 November, 2011 Share Posted 1 November, 2011 Has the one eyed idiot been in Westminster since he lost the election? There's none so one-eyed as a Tory with a chip on his shoulder, none so idiotic as one who 'quotes' unsubstantiated statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petersfield Saint Posted 1 November, 2011 Share Posted 1 November, 2011 in such tough times wouldn't it be prudent for the current government to put an end to this ex PM annual handout. "We're in this together" my arse. Meanwhile, back on topic - THIS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 1 November, 2011 Share Posted 1 November, 2011 What we do need to do regarding MP's pay is just to pay them more and let them get on with it. 65k isn't enough for the job they are required to do in my opinion. I'd just pay them all 100k at least. If that was already the case, I don't think the expenses scandal would have happened, as MP's were apparently encouraged to claim to top up their salary( as Nick Robinson states in this article - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/nickrobinson/2011/01/why_did_mps_make_false.html.) We should give them more, not less, otherwise you will end up with only a certain type of person becoming an MP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 1 November, 2011 Share Posted 1 November, 2011 What we do need to do regarding MP's pay is just to pay them more and let them get on with it. 65k isn't enough for the job they are required to do in my opinion. I'd just pay them all 100k at least. If that was already the case, I don't think the expenses scandal would have happened, as MP's were apparently encouraged to claim to top up their salary( as Nick Robinson states in this article - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/nickrobinson/2011/01/why_did_mps_make_false.html.) We should give them more, not less, otherwise you will end up with only a certain type of person becoming an MP. This but with the rider that they are not allowed to have any other employment or be directors / consultants to private companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 1 November, 2011 Share Posted 1 November, 2011 This but with the rider that they are not allowed to have any other employment or be directors / consultants to private companies. Yer, I'd probably go with that, but we have to give them the salary to allow that to happen. Just as a side note, the Prime Minister gets 200k if you include both his PM Salary of 140k and his MP salary of 65k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbury Posted 1 November, 2011 Share Posted 1 November, 2011 Grateful for a link to the stats that show how much the State shrink under Thatcher....cheers Simply saying that she loathed freeloaders, quite rightly, albeit that genuinely needy people got put in the same category - eg pensioners. Now she's in need, why should we not say 'Frick You', just like she did to needy people in the 80s? Show me quotes of her reaching out to the deservedly needy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVER THE HILL Posted 1 November, 2011 Author Share Posted 1 November, 2011 She's not needy, was not Dennis Thatcher a millionaire ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 1 November, 2011 Share Posted 1 November, 2011 Simply saying that she loathed freeloaders, quite rightly, albeit that genuinely needy people got put in the same category - eg pensioners. Now she's in need, why should we not say 'Frick You', just like she did to needy people in the 80s? Show me quotes of her reaching out to the deservedly needy. No, I asked first. You show me yours then I'll show you mine. Fair's fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 1 November, 2011 Share Posted 1 November, 2011 To mix metaphors, a leopard can't change its spots. Once your snout is in the trough it seems impossible to get it out again. Freeloading off the gravy train still, even though she's ga-ga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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solentstars Posted 1 November, 2011 Share Posted 1 November, 2011 she was the most divisive prime minister in my lifetime and loved by the right wing media she looked after her own ,the rich never had it so good and was lucky a combination of a unelectable labour party and the falklands war came to her rescue.despite having north sea oil wasted on keeping the the record number of unemployed her policy's created. good riddance to bad rubbish as they say her party was evil at the time and now history has not been kind of her but she will always be loved by those who lined her pockets and did well out of her government.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 1 November, 2011 Share Posted 1 November, 2011 To mix metaphors, a leopard can't change its spots. Once your snout is in the trough it seems impossible to get it out again. Freeloading off the gravy train still, even though she's ga-ga.yep a culture which carrys on to this day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 1 November, 2011 Share Posted 1 November, 2011 Thatcher should never be forgiven for overseeing the privatisation of North Sea Oil. Countries that held onto state ownership of their oil got rich. The Tories made a fast buck out of it to fund one wealthy decade, then the golden goose was gone and Britain has become poorer while countries like Norway became amongst the richest in the world. She gets away with murder that this isn't mentioned more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 1 November, 2011 Share Posted 1 November, 2011 So not one year of a balanced budget?! HAH... even 'fiscally irresponsible' Labour managed a surplus in a couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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