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why do all the news out let have to spout on about his daughter being Liza Tarbuck . This has nothing to do with her

Bloody evil and useless journos. They dont need to harp on about her

 

It's simply because she is more famous than he is now, and there is a whole generation of people in this country who will recognise her but not have a clue who her dad is. Pandering to populism.

 

A bit like when Richard Harris died and the Sun had the front page headline "Dumbledore is dead" as if Harry f***ing Potter was the only thing he had ever appeared in.

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This is so, so, so digusting. Unbelievable.

Whilst most of what she says is ******, there is an interesting question regarding the age of consent - why is it lower in most of the rest of Europe ? Is their attitude towards the sexuality of children, and approach to preventing the exploitation of minors, different to ours ?

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Seems we're about to get a whole new lot dragged into the child abuse affair. " A STRING of new alleged victims have named stars including two famous singers, two TV personalities and a comedian."

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Seems we're about to get a whole new lot dragged into the child abuse affair. " A STRING of new alleged victims have named stars including two famous singers, two TV personalities and a comedian."

 

 

I doubt it will end there, seems anyone famous could be dragged in. Sports stars seemed to have escaped the accusations so far, wont be long though I reckon.

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Whilst most of what she says is ******, there is an interesting question regarding the age of consent - why is it lower in most of the rest of Europe ? Is their attitude towards the sexuality of children, and approach to preventing the exploitation of minors, different to ours ?

 

I've often thought this approach would be sensible;

 

"The age of consent in Switzerland is 16, as specified by the Swiss Federal Criminal Code, Article 187(1). However, there exists a close in age exception if the difference between the ages of the participants is three years or less (Article 187(2))."

 

What the lawyer spouting off in the Guardian seems not to get is that there is a world of difference between two kids of around the same age to experiment with something they quite possibly know very little about, and an older person exploiting them sexually. Lowering the age of consent in order to protect old men who abuse young children is an appalling suggestion.

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I doubt it will end there, seems anyone famous could be dragged in. Sports stars seemed to have escaped the accusations so far, wont be long though I reckon.

 

Musicians/singers seem to be largely absent too (assuming any have done such crimes). Seems like they'd be the natural environment for those types.

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Former BBC radio producer Ted Beston will face no further action after he was arrested by detectives investigating the Jimmy Savile abuse scandal.

 

Mr Beston, from London, was arrested in December on suspicion of sexual offences.

 

But the Metropolitan Police have said there is insufficient evidence to support a prosecution.

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dubai_phil

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Incoming.

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/jimmy-savile-celeb-arrests-could-2097740

 

Stunned officers chipped away plaster at a *record shop wall and unveiled a hidden list of names thought to belong to young victims of Jimmy Savile.

The vile register, which contained the names, ages and a disgusting ratings system seemingly used to mark their sexual performance, was scrawled on a secret wall buried behind layers of wallpaper and plaster.

A source revealed: “The wall looked like something straight out of a horror movie. There were lists and lists of names of the victims – it’s a shocking discovery.”

The list of girls and young women is thought to identify *hundreds of potential new victims abused at the hands of the BBC DJ and it raised fears Savile was at the centre of a celebrity paedophile ring.

Police believe the major breakthrough could lead to further arrests – including other well-known celebrities.

The wall also appeared to contain the names of girls the sick group hoped to target in the future.

Officers who raided the shop in *Greater Manchester after a tip-off will now try to trace the alleged victims.

A source said the raid had provided the clearest evidence yet to show Savile was part of a larger group of monsters.

The source said: “Savile appeared to be using the room above the record store as some kind of secret HQ to plan his vile acts.

“There appears to be some suggestion that he was not acting alone either.

“There were others who appear to be involved, several others, some of whom are household names.”

As the specialist officers ripped away the layers from the wall, the names of up to 200 new *people they believe he and accomplices attacked or planned to

attack during the 1980s and 1990s were *gradually revealed.

At least one other well-known BBC figure and several celebrities are now being linked to the probe. Suspects face being quizzed in the coming weeks.

The source added: “Police think there might be hundreds of new female victims that needed to be spoken to as a result of the record shop raid.

Earlier this year it was suggested there were around 450 victims of Savile’s depraved actions.

“This looks like an under-estimation. If the evidence on the wall is anything to go by, we could be talking in the region of 650 victims in all. It’s shocking.”

Criminologist Professor David Wilson from Birmingham City University said the register was a way for the predators to boast about their conquests.

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Interesting interview from Johhny Rotten back in the day concerning Savile's proclivities.

 

http://21stcenturywire.com/2013/07/08/sex-pistols-star-johnny-rottens-warning-about-jimmy-savile-was-cut-by-bbc/

 

 

Rotten sounded a bit too posh even in 1978. However, it seems he was on the money with JS rumours, and not smirking about it. I liked to watch Jim'll Fix It, but never really liked it, compared to Dr Who or Generation Game, hope Brucie isn't next in line!! JS was cringey.

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Rotten sounded a bit too posh even in 1978. However, it seems he was on the money with JS rumours, and not smirking about it. I liked to watch Jim'll Fix It, but never really liked it, compared to Dr Who or Generation Game, hope Brucie isn't next in line!! JS was cringey.

 

Rotten is my mate's bro-in-law. True story. Never met him, unfortunately - but I've met his brother, who does blue collar work.

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Thing is with the libel crap is, if you're just speculating on who a mystery man is surely you can't get 'done' its just a guessing game. No one is actually stating it is them. I'll throw in another 80 year old for the hell of it, Michael Caine?

 

edit** didn't see Hatch and said About Aspel.

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A very good friend of mine for the last 30+ years was his secretary at Stoke Mandeville for many years. Eventually she was so sickened that she had to leave. All I will say is that there are a lot of facts about JS to come out. Most of them would have seen him join a lot of his compatriots at Her Majesty's Pleasure.

 

Accidentally clicked on the first page of this thread and found this.

 

Who says there are no ITKs on SWF...

 

Amazing how commonly known his activities were - and how powerless people felt to do anything about it.

 

Having done time inside the BBC, it's unfortunately very easy to see how that could have been allowed to happen. There has long been a culture there that has not only permitted grotesque behaviour from its "stars", but has actually threatened and intimidated staff (many on tenuous freelance contracts) who've raised issues about them.

 

The culprits, aside from the offenders themselves, are the upper-management 'lifers', many of whom entered the BBC as production or news trainees 20 or 30 years ago, and who are now in the news for different reasons - for the vast amounts of licence-fee cash they've been in the habit of awarding each other.

 

Nothing excuses Savile's - or others' - behaviour, but a deep institutional corruption goes a long way to explaining what made it possible. Unfortunately, no one is suggesting that the BBC itself needs to be substantially reformed - something that's always been incredibly difficult because of the perception of political interference.

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Accidentally clicked on the first page of this thread and found this.

 

Who says there are no ITKs on SWF...

 

Amazing how commonly known his activities were - and how powerless people felt to do anything about it.

 

Having done time inside the BBC, it's unfortunately very easy to see how that could have been allowed to happen. There has long been a culture there that has not only permitted grotesque behaviour from its "stars", but has actually threatened and intimidated staff (many on tenuous freelance contracts) who've raised issues about them.

 

The culprits, aside from the offenders themselves, are the upper-management 'lifers', many of whom entered the BBC as production or news trainees 20 or 30 years ago, and who are now in the news for different reasons - for the vast amounts of licence-fee cash they've been in the habit of awarding each other.

 

Nothing excuses Savile's - or others' - behaviour, but a deep institutional corruption goes a long way to explaining what made it possible. Unfortunately, no one is suggesting that the BBC itself needs to be substantially reformed - something that's always been incredibly difficult because of the perception of political interference.

 

How would you reform it?

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How would you reform it?

 

Easy question, complicated answer. But the essence of it is:

 

Abandon the civil service structure, which is wildly inappropriate for a broadcaster and a hangover from the 1920s.

 

Hive off all compliance to an expanded and more transparent BBC Trust.

 

Adopt the commissioning/publisher model of C4, with BBC productions as a separate entity.

 

And end the dominance of journalists in the management of the place. I can't think of a single DG, for example, who has not progressed from news & current affairs. But where else in the world are journalists considered to be uniquely brilliant captains of industry? (It was clear to me before Mark Thompson had even risen to be controller of BBC2 that he was trouble in the making. He appeared to me to be an obsequious flunky who, when gaining power of his own, would expect others to adopt his flunky-ness. A model BBC lifer.)

 

These changes - and many others - will make it harder to treat the abuses of Saville as an "official secret". It would also help break down some of the deep-ingrained institutional problems, not least that it's predominantly a southern, white, Oxbridge, middle-class protectorate, in which lifers who would have no transferable skills to the outside world are self-rewarded as if they were financial whizz kids. Greg Dyke tells the story of when he started work at the BBC as DG and was told how "complicated" the place was. "No, it's not," he said. "It's easy - all we have to do is spend money. We don't have to earn a penny."

 

It's in that cosy world that Saville - and others - thrived, and, worse than that, were able to translate their BBC-protected fame, and the peculiarities of the BBC star system, into a lifetime of horrific abuse.

 

Remember, in the end, Saville was a flagship for an institution that argued that all its works were in the name of the public good. The flagrancy with which Saville ruined lives had the stamp of BBC endorsement, because he symbolised, more than any other "personality" of his time, the good that the BBC did.

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Easy question, complicated answer. But the essence of it is:

 

Abandon the civil service structure, which is wildly inappropriate for a broadcaster and a hangover from the 1920s.

 

Hive off all compliance to an expanded and more transparent BBC Trust.

 

Adopt the commissioning/publisher model of C4, with BBC productions as a separate entity.

 

And end the dominance of journalists in the management of the place. I can't think of a single DG, for example, who has not progressed from news & current affairs. But where else in the world are journalists considered to be uniquely brilliant captains of industry? (It was clear to me before Mark Thompson had even risen to be controller of BBC2 that he was trouble in the making. He appeared to me to be an obsequious flunky who, when gaining power of his own, would expect others to adopt his flunky-ness. A model BBC lifer.)

 

These changes - and many others - will make it harder to treat the abuses of Saville as an "official secret". It would also help break down some of the deep-ingrained institutional problems, not least that it's predominantly a southern, white, Oxbridge, middle-class protectorate, in which lifers who would have no transferable skills to the outside world are self-rewarded as if they were financial whizz kids. Greg Dyke tells the story of when he started work at the BBC as DG and was told how "complicated" the place was. "No, it's not," he said. "It's easy - all we have to do is spend money. We don't have to earn a penny."

 

It's in that cosy world that Saville - and others - thrived, and, worse than that, were able to translate their BBC-protected fame, and the peculiarities of the BBC star system, into a lifetime of horrific abuse.

 

Remember, in the end, Saville was a flagship for an institution that argued that all its works were in the name of the public good. The flagrancy with which Saville ruined lives had the stamp of BBC endorsement, because he symbolised, more than any other "personality" of his time, the good that the BBC did.

 

Ok... lots of words there.

 

1. Abandon civil service structure. Replace it with what as regards its administrative base? Is your argument that it is too bureaucratic - if so, what is the evidence.

 

2. Adopt commissioning model of C4 and have BBC productions as separate entity. Expand please - do you mean 'separate' as in 'separated by management structure' (it is already), or as in 'private/not-for-profit/co-op/public organisation not in the BBC but called BBC productions'???

 

3. End dominance of journalists? Greg Dyke began life as a journalist, then became a director etc. At what point in their career do you propose banning someone from moving from journalism into management?

 

4. (and finally coz I can't be ars.ed to go on...) Savile as a flagship for the BBC. Wasn't he a flagship for the nation, hence his close ties to the Tory party, monarchy etc. Wouldn't the BBC have looked like a load of leftie weirdos if they'd pushed against the establishment in the way you suggest? The point being, Savile wasn't just the BBC's fault it was everybody's who stood back and knighted him, supported him and paid him etc.

 

Yawn.

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I see Osman and Davidson face no further action due to insufficient evidence. Davidson still faces Falkland islands stuff though.

 

Completely unrelated , I wonder if there will be anyone charged with wasting police time or similar offence by the end of the whole process. Statistically surely there will be some malicious accusations made.

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I see Osman and Davidson face no further action due to insufficient evidence. Davidson still faces Falkland islands stuff though.

 

Completely unrelated , I wonder if there will be anyone charged with wasting police time or similar offence by the end of the whole process. Statistically surely there will be some malicious accusations made.

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Sorry, still having trouble believeing this.

 

I know the CPS clearly think they have the evidence on him (they'd better have; mud like this sticks forever, especially if it is dropped or acquitted due to "lack of evidence"), but its simply too painful for me to countenance that the singer of "Two Little Boys", which I have sung all four of my babies to sleep to, is a kiddie fiddler.

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Sorry, still having trouble believeing this.

 

I know the CPS clearly think they have the evidence on him (they'd better have; mud like this sticks forever, especially if it is dropped or acquitted due to "lack of evidence"), but its simply too painful for me to countenance that the singer of "Two Little Boys", which I have sung all four of my babies to sleep to, is a kiddie fiddler.

 

I've said this before - I have good reasons to suspect there's some truth in these allegations. Not directed at me, you must understand, but at a damce troupe I was managing. They were all 'over age' and it was all not very subtle suggestive comments, nothing more......

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