Professor Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 Hearing that Tevez is paid £200K a week at Manchester City, is this where Saints are headed if the team win promotion? It does seem that any club in the Prem that does not include world-class international players will never compete for the title itself. I will be at the SMS tomorrow supporting Saints as loudly as ever, leaping up and down if they score a goal and I am desparate that they win promotion now they are in such a great poisition after the first quarter of the season............................................ BUT, I am not sure I want to watch them failing to compete in the meaningless competition that the Prem has become; and if SFC was to dump the present squad to bring in world-class stars on inflated wages so as to have a chance of getting into the top 6, would I be the interested in a team of money-chasers or in paying huge ticket prices for the priviledge? Probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 Cortese said he would consider it in a recent interview with the sun. Someone will post a link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 Why do we need to? We have been told in the past on here that when we are playing in the champions league with a team full of academy graduates they will all be here fulfilling their dream of playing for SFC with their mates. New signing will come here because Portswood first school is amoungst the best in Hampshire. Their wives and girlfriends will enjoy shopping at West Quay. They can go for strolls and cream teas in New Forest on sundays. It isn't all about money you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 Hearing that Tevez is paid £200K a week at Manchester City, is this where Saints are headed if the team win promotion? It does seem that any club in the Prem that does not include world-class international players will never compete for the title itself. I will be at the SMS tomorrow supporting Saints as loudly as ever, leaping up and down if they score a goal and I am desparate that they win promotion now they are in such a great poisition after the first quarter of the season............................................ BUT, I am not sure I want to watch them failing to compete in the meaningless competition that the Prem has become; and if SFC was to dump the present squad to bring in world-class stars on inflated wages so as to have a chance of getting into the top 6, would I be the interested in a team of money-chasers or in paying huge ticket prices for the priviledge? Probably not. I think it's something a few of us have similar thoughts on. On the one hand we all want saints to do well on the other the nagging doubt that the PL isn't all it's cracked up to be.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 (edited) Why do we need to? We have been told in the past on here that when we are playing in the champions league with a team full of academy graduates they will all be here fulfilling their dream of playing for SFC with their mates. New signing will come here because Portswood first school is amoungst the best in Hampshire. Their wives and girlfriends will enjoy shopping at West Quay. They can go for strolls and cream teas in New Forest on sundays. It isn't all about money you know. I was going to point out something about Chelsea in 1983 having low attendences or something but I drifted off. "They said they couldn't climb Everest" always works. I'll stick with that as proof. Edited 28 October, 2011 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 For arguments sake say If Chappers earns 4k a week would a 200k a week player put in 50X the effort If Rickie earns 10k would 200k get 20X the goals If Lallana earns 10k would 200k be 20X better If KD earns 8k would 200K get 25X clean sheets If the above answers are yes then maybe spend the money because we will be the greatest team the world has ever seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 Why do we need to? We have been told in the past on here that when we are playing in the champions league with a team full of academy graduates they will all be here fulfilling their dream of playing for SFC with their mates. New signing will come here because Portswood first school is amoungst the best in Hampshire. Their wives and girlfriends will enjoy shopping at West Quay. They can go for strolls and cream teas in New Forest on sundays. It isn't all about money you know. Quite. We'd have to worry that they're more like supermarket staff and would f*ck off to the next place that offers them a pound more. Shame that nobody told Le Tiss about that analogy, eh? Did you wish to tell him what an idiot he must have been and how his life would have been much better elsewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 Let the team that gets promoted play with the usual strategic strengthening, harness the Wimbledon type spirit, if we stay up strengthen again only using grateful talented players (Norwich/Pilkington), If we go down we have the basis for promotion again and use the parachute payments to strengthen again. Don't ever pay silly money to a host of foreign mercenaries. Live within our means and develop our own talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 Let the team that gets promoted play with the usual strategic strengthening, harness the Wimbledon type spirit, if we stay up strengthen again only using grateful talented players (Norwich/Pilkington), If we go down we have the basis for promotion again and use the parachute payments to strengthen again. Don't ever pay silly money to a host of foreign mercenaries. Live within our means and develop our own talent. What he said^^. I'd rather support the players we have now in the PL than a bunch of dis-intrested looking players with names I can barely pronounce.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 What he said^^. I'd rather support the players we have now in the PL than a bunch of dis-intrested looking players with names I can barely pronounce.... Amen to that. That's why i get sick to the back teeth of the "we're going to be champion's league regulars". No we're not and we shouldn't try, because the only way a club our size can even think about it is by over spending on players who would only come here for the money we'd be over spending on them. That's not to say we couldn't have a team of young academy grads that shock football and power to fourth place in like Everton did, once. It's just not that likely, and we'd struggle to hold on to a team like that beyond a season. A team of young academy grads powering to 14th is fine by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 For arguments sake say If Chappers earns 4k a week would a 200k a week player put in 50X the effort If Rickie earns 10k would 200k get 20X the goals If Lallana earns 10k would 200k be 20X better If KD earns 8k would 200K get 25X clean sheets If the above answers are yes then maybe spend the money because we will be the greatest team the world has ever seen Trouble is, it is the law of diminishing returns that applies here. If you want someone say twice as good as lambert, you will have to pay 10x his wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 I would really love to win the league this season for Cortese to decline the Premier League's invite and stay in the Championship. Sod the PL, 80% of the games are either 12.45 kick offs or played on Sundays and its boring. It really is. I genuinely think the Championship is a much more fun league to be in. 46 games in a season, the majority are Saturday 3pm kick offs and you know every game you have a chance of winning. Only thing I miss about the Prem is away days to places like Manchester, Newcastle and Liverpool but I'm quite happy to sacrifice that for away days in Leeds, Cardiff and Blackpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 I would really love to win the league this season for Cortese to decline the Premier League's invite and stay in the Championship. Sod the PL, 80% of the games are either 12.45 kick offs or played on Sundays and its boring. It really is. I genuinely think the Championship is a much more fun league to be in. 46 games in a season, the majority are Saturday 3pm kick offs and you know every game you have a chance of winning. Only thing I miss about the Prem is away days to places like Manchester, Newcastle and Liverpool but I'm quite happy to sacrifice that for away days in Leeds, Cardiff and Blackpool. Like your style and agree but there's a big BUT, sadly, it's the business side which drives the ambitions and the money, along with all the snouts in the trough, is in the PL. I can still remember the pre-PL days when Division 1 really was Division 1 and it was a fun place to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 I think the general plan is to produce our own players and pay them well rather than paying top dollor to steam world class players from elsewhere. Not suggesting that will defo not happen but if it does I think it will be a rare occurance rather than the norm. The dream maybe to follow this method and it get us to champions league status but the practice might not be as easy as the dream. Barca do their very best to create their team from their youth ranks occasionally buying in a few extra players. Arsenal pay to bring in the best kids that have already been created in other youth systems then bring them through to the full team. Man U go from buying the best to bringing through a crop of youth and back to buying the best again Chelsea and Man City just bought the best although the latter seem to have some decent youth in the wings. They dont stand much chance of getting past the 2 world class teams in front of them though. So based on the interviews NC has done to date I would guess that we are trying to create a conveyer belt of tallent that will no doubt get poached for several years to come but will sustain us at prem level. If our team can get us to the higher levels of prem and regular Europe runs then increased capacity at the ground and a willingness to play for us will allow us to pay our players more. Alot of IF's but a pretty nice target I would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 Amen to that. That's why i get sick to the back teeth of the "we're going to be champion's league regulars". No we're not and we shouldn't try, because the only way a club our size can even think about it is by over spending on players who would only come here for the money we'd be over spending on them. That's not to say we couldn't have a team of young academy grads that shock football and power to fourth place in like Everton did, once. It's just not that likely, and we'd struggle to hold on to a team like that beyond a season. A team of young academy grads powering to 14th is fine by me. I think there are 2 main reasons why players want to play for the "big clubs" and they are, the riches and the chance to win things. It would take a long time for our team to get to the point where they are expected to win big things which would in turn make a player want to play for us. That kind of success would no doubt increase our fan base and the commercial side of things, which would allow for us to afford a level much higher than now. I dont think there is enough room to grow big enough so we can afford to keep the players needed to be "champions league regulars" though. Clubs at that level are looking at 70k seater stadiums to try and fund that level of football. Cant see us holding that much support personally but I suppose some years ago we wouldnt of thought we would get 30k crowds in the 2nd tier either? Still there is no harm in aiming for the top and if the plan to get there is as has been suggested by NC, then I would rather that route than splashing 200k a week on a spoilt scroat like tevez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 Yup Give it a few years and basic economics (inflate your debt away) and the average L1 Journeyman will be earning 200k And a pint in the Concourse at HT will cost 450 quid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFCDan Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 None of us are experts in running a football club. Clubs are run by a chairman/company putting their own money into it - if it wasn't profitable, why would they do it? They're people too, they'd not spend £200k a week of the business' money without good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 Interesting that all the sentiments above are for the simple life, for the academy stream, for the present squad to have its Premier chance (we're not there yet) and for the big spending to be curtailed and I agree with all that. It's quite a sudden change from not many weeks ago when the cry on this forum was about no ambition, no signings and no money to spend because the owners had lost interest. We're on the path I can follow and believe in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 By the time we get to the prem, 200K probably wouldn't even get you jermaine wright's left peg. Its a case of running faster to stand still. Until the market corrects, its a joke to think we can stand outside these pressures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 28 October, 2011 Author Share Posted 28 October, 2011 Trouble is, it is the law of diminishing returns that applies here. If you want someone say twice as good as lambert, you will have to pay 10x his wages. A lot of sense in what people have said, including that being a Yo-Yo club might be the best compromise until the Prem goes into meltdown. I agree with CBSaint on the silly wages for players who are marginally better, if that. Trouble is that we have always lost the best of the Academy players to clubs willing to pay them more. Le Tiss being the exception only proves that he was the one and only. Being top of the table and beating WHU made promotion begin to look a distinct possibility. Beat 'boro tomorow and it becomes a probability, so Cortese is going to have to address this question of what he wants to achieve at the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pressingon Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 This might change your mind The Premier League's 20 clubs collectively lost close to half a billion pounds last year despite making record income http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/19/premier-league-finances-black-hole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pressingon Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 Sod the PL, 80% of the games are either 12.45 kick offs or played on Sundays and its boring. It really is. I genuinely think the Championship is a much more fun league to be in. 46 games in a season, the majority are Saturday 3pm kick offs and you know every game you have a chance of winning. This is why a big part of me would love to come fouth this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 Quite. We'd have to worry that they're more like supermarket staff and would f*ck off to the next place that offers them a pound more. Shame that nobody told Le Tiss about that analogy, eh? Did you wish to tell him what an idiot he must have been and how his life would have been much better elsewhere? I bet Alan Shearer, Wayne Bridge, Mark Wright, Neil Ruddock and co all still regret the day they took a better pay day elsewhere and couldn't spend their sundays in Lyndhurst tea shops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 And Wenger said yesterday they had to increase ticket prices this season again juts to keep on top of their wage bill which is 4th highest in EPL and he admits they cant win the league. PL wages are a joke and not sustainable for 80% of clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 on with Cortese said he would consider it in a recent interview with the sun. Someone will post a link. well if I recall the interview correctly..(?)..he said a (maybe) to £100,000 a week..along with something about extending SMS to accomodate 50,000. Personally I don't think we should give Academy graduates that sort of money, especially as we've given careers to so many in the past. But seriously; I'd really like to hack off the top 4 in the Prem(when Newcastle have dropped down a bit) and let them go off and play in their own big stadiums, where you can't see anything from the third tier grandstand, and let the rest of us get some interesting Premiership games. May not be top European class, but enough to satisfy me, I think. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 I bet Alan Shearer, Wayne Bridge, Mark Wright, Neil Ruddock and co all still regret the day they took a better pay day elsewhere and couldn't spend their sundays in Lyndhurst tea shops.You didn't answer the question. To refresh your memory, I wondered whether you wished to call Le Tiss an idiot for foregoing the untold riches he could have earned elsewhere. You don't work for the New Forest Tourist Board by any chance? You seem awfully keen to sing the praises of the general area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 You didn't answer the question. To refresh your memory, I wondered whether you wished to call Le Tiss an idiot for foregoing the untold riches he could have earned elsewhere. You don't work for the New Forest Tourist Board by any chance? You seem awfully keen to sing the praises of the general area. I wouldn't call him an idiot but I personally think he could have done more and been more if he had left.I wouldn't call him an idiot or even ask him about it, because he has answered that question comprehensively over the years. And MLT is one player and there are hundreds more who do leave smaller Prem clubs to make more money elsewhere. And while I would never call the man an idiot - plenty on this forum were calling him nothing more than an employee paid for doing a job while he was here. Let's see how much you defend Matt Le Tiss next time those jibes are thrown around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 Let the team that gets promoted play with the usual strategic strengthening, harness the Wimbledon type spirit, if we stay up strengthen again only using grateful talented players (Norwich/Pilkington), If we go down we have the basis for promotion again and use the parachute payments to strengthen again. Don't ever pay silly money to a host of foreign mercenaries. Live within our means and develop our own talent. Yep! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 I would really love to win the league this season for Cortese to decline the Premier League's invite and stay in the Championship. Sod the PL, 80% of the games are either 12.45 kick offs or played on Sundays and its boring. It really is. I genuinely think the Championship is a much more fun league to be in. 46 games in a season, the majority are Saturday 3pm kick offs and you know every game you have a chance of winning. Only thing I miss about the Prem is away days to places like Manchester, Newcastle and Liverpool but I'm quite happy to sacrifice that for away days in Leeds, Cardiff and Blackpool.agree with the sentiment, but playing in this league is only good if your are winning on a regular basis. I didn't see too many enjoying the season before we got relegated. The trouble is to win games in this league you need quality players, don't go up and those quality players leave and the side then struggles. Replacing Lallana is almost impossible whilst being in the championship. So we have no choice but to go up and keep the club going forward. Stay down and we'll go backwards very quickly and before you know it you are back in league 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 One step at a time - there are probably players in the squad who barely get that in a year let alone a month - so a week is so far away from our budget, even with all the perks of Prem - no way hose. Sadly we will be in a awkward situation if we get promoted. Players will know what salaries other clubs are offering in The Prem - but our pay structure would have to be shot to pieces and the harmony of the club we have at present would suffer as each players agent vies for their player to be topdog in the salary stakes. A smart move in pinning down players on long term contracts now - but as we all know - not worth the paper they are written on, but at least the club have some say in what happens next. I think Skatesmuff already have the franchaise on living outside of your means, so we will have to hope the players understand the situation, but equally have their contracts amended (no doubt there are probably more clauses in each contract than you could shake a stick at!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 agree with the sentiment, but playing in this league is only good if your are winning on a regular basis. I didn't see too many enjoying the season before we got relegated. The trouble is to win games in this league you need quality players, don't go up and those quality players leave and the side then struggles. Replacing Lallana is almost impossible whilst being in the championship. So we have no choice but to go up and keep the club going forward. Stay down and we'll go backwards very quickly and before you know it you are back in league 1. Surely playing in any league is only good if your winning on a regular basis I bet Blackburn fans aren't exactly loving the PL right now. Re players won't the same thing happen in the PL? We might hold on to our good players a bit longer but in the end if they turn out to be real PL class they'll just get nabbed by one of the PL big boys all the same. The PL is a bit of a football dead end for most clubs really they get to the promised land and then, unless they're going to spend very big, just spend they're time trying not to get relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 I wouldn't call him an idiot but I personally think he could have done more and been more if he had left.I wouldn't call him an idiot or even ask him about it, because he has answered that question comprehensively over the years. And MLT is one player and there are hundreds more who do leave smaller Prem clubs to make more money elsewhere. And while I would never call the man an idiot - plenty on this forum were calling him nothing more than an employee paid for doing a job while he was here. Let's see how much you defend Matt Le Tiss next time those jibes are thrown around. That's strange. I asked Dorkish and you replied. You're not the same person perhaps? Yes, he could have made a fortune by comparison from moving elsewhere, but that didn't interest him, for reasons that are well documented, as you say, in his book and elsewhere. Another who had an opportunity to do likewise but didn't, was Kelvin. Maybe Lallana might be content to stay here rather than move also. So as Dorkish says, it isn't all about money. Strange as it might seem, some people do consider other factors when they decide to go or stay. It appears that there are some ex-managers who move on to pastures greener far away, but who still maintain a property down here. Strong attractive factors to consider, the Portswood First school and the New Forest cream teas, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 28 October, 2011 Author Share Posted 28 October, 2011 I'd really like to hack off the top 4 in the Prem(when Newcastle have dropped down a bit) and let them go off and play in their own big stadiums, where you can't see anything from the third tier grandstand, and let the rest of us get some interesting Premiership games. May not be top European class, but enough to satisfy me, I think. Like this a lot. And they could change the club names - I' sure they'd love to sell the naming rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 If -big if at this time - we do get promoted back to the PL then something tells me we won't just be there to make the numbers up. We already have a core of decent players to build upon and I can see significant funding being made available to sign more quality players next summer, and yes we would most certainly need reinforcements. Although extreme wages such as £200k a week are (I hope) out of the question, when/if we do find ourselves back in the Premier League we will just have to bite the bullet and pay the going rate for good standard PL players. I suspect this may come as something of a nasty shock for a novice chairman who may not yet realize the full insanity of the economic madhouse that is top flight football. In spite of all that I just don't think the Don is the type to be happy with a mere 12 or 24 month stay in the limelight, only to then see SFC sliding back into the relative obscurity of the football league. He has said he wants to make us a stable Premier League club and I can't see the slightest reason to doubt him - he's been as good as his word thus far has he not ? That's not to say he is guaranteed to succeed of course because when men make plans the Gods tend to laugh - but I don't doubt the sincerity of his ambition for one moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 That's strange. I asked Dorkish and you replied. You're not the same person perhaps? Yes, he could have made a fortune by comparison from moving elsewhere, but that didn't interest him, for reasons that are well documented, as you say, in his book and elsewhere. Another who had an opportunity to do likewise but didn't, was Kelvin. Maybe Lallana might be content to stay here rather than move also. So as Dorkish says, it isn't all about money. Strange as it might seem, some people do consider other factors when they decide to go or stay. It appears that there are some ex-managers who move on to pastures greener far away, but who still maintain a property down here. Strong attractive factors to consider, the Portswood First school and the New Forest cream teas, eh? Dorkish? That's brilliant that East Bender, with that sort of wit you're wasted on a football forum. WHy dont you become a football agent and change their reputation for good? Make it your mission to Convince all players to stay with the clubs that they grow up with and promote the local area to them as reason to stay. You'll have plenty of clients, i mean for every MLT there are 10 Kenwyne Jones. Desperate for someone to guide them and remind them just how good they've got it right now. There is no need for the extra £30k a week when you've got Ocean Village on your door step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 Let the team that gets promoted play with the usual strategic strengthening, harness the Wimbledon type spirit, if we stay up strengthen again only using grateful talented players (Norwich/Pilkington), If we go down we have the basis for promotion again and use the parachute payments to strengthen again. Don't ever pay silly money to a host of foreign mercenaries. Live within our means and develop our own talent. ^^^This^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 That's strange. I asked Dorkish and you replied. You're not the same person perhaps? Yes, he could have made a fortune by comparison from moving elsewhere, but that didn't interest him, for reasons that are well documented, as you say, in his book and elsewhere. Another who had an opportunity to do likewise but didn't, was Kelvin. Maybe Lallana might be content to stay here rather than move also. So as Dorkish says, it isn't all about money. Strange as it might seem, some people do consider other factors when they decide to go or stay. It appears that there are some ex-managers who move on to pastures greener far away, but who still maintain a property down here. Strong attractive factors to consider, the Portswood First school and the New Forest cream teas, eh? Yes they do. But Matt Le Tissier is in a tiny minority and pretty much every other footballer in the world is in the majority. If we pull together a team of, say, six wonder kids that gets us into fourth place against all odds, I would still bet my bottom that at least half of them would be off to go to Manchester or London or Spain within the following twelve months. And if you want private conversations with contributors in this forum, then I suggest you PM them. But don't PM me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 You're right, but you have more chance of holding onto players if they're youth products and have some affiliation with the club. Signing a Tevez etc will always end with them seeking a better deal elsewhere. A Bale, Lallana, Walcott etc may well want to go somewhere else, but we've never been in a really good top flight position to try and keep these players. It's not impossible, and if you get a great price for them and can reinvest, so be it. Do you mean like the Southampton supporting Wayne Bridge? THe Sunderland Support Jordan Henderson? The Everton supporting Wayne Rooney? The West Ham supporting Joe Cole? The Leeds supporting Alan Smith? These sort of players that are youth products of the teams they grew up supporting and lived in the local area all their lives and have such a deep affiliation with the club. Yep, that affiliation counted for a lot when they got offered better deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 No Turkish FFS He was clearly on about a saints supporting Francis benali !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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