Thedelldays Posted 26 October, 2011 Share Posted 26 October, 2011 That's interesting I did not know that. Of course if they suddenly announced that the winners of the League Cup automatically got a Champions League place things might change a bit. indeed...but it is what it is.....the 3rd trophy IMO, it would get more attention if it was over (won) before XMAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 26 October, 2011 Share Posted 26 October, 2011 Give the winners a Europa place and have it done by Xmas. FA Cup winners should get a CL place, that would make them take it seriously again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 26 October, 2011 Share Posted 26 October, 2011 We did play a strong side but that is a requirement of the competition. Clubs have to field at least 6 or so players who played in the last league game. There is no such requirement for the league cup Is that correct??? Never heard of it, so thanks for highlighting it. Would something similar work in the League or FA Cups? Should something be enforced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 26 October, 2011 Share Posted 26 October, 2011 Didn't do Pardew much good in the long run. When I suggested that we were better off out and didn't have a problem losing, one of the replies was that keeping on winning (in any competition) was good for morale and confidence. Did our JPT run help boost our confidence (and get us some dosh) or did it distract us from the main goal of promotion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 October, 2011 Share Posted 26 October, 2011 (edited) When I suggested that we were better off out and didn't have a problem losing, one of the replies was that keeping on winning (in any competition) was good for morale and confidence. Did our JPT run help boost our confidence (and get us some dosh) or did it distract us from the main goal of promotion? OF course, they were different situations. Pards inherited a squad shot of confidence and without a 'winning mentality' - getting a run going in the cup was part of the rebuilding process. Under NA, we now have a winning mentality and so cups don't have to play that surrogate role. Ultimately, I don't think the cups were a distraction - too many draws and an inability to change things around were responsible. Nor did they tire us out as we lasted the course of the season and indeed went on a run at the end. On the other hand, the championship is far more competitive and physically demanding than L1 -its harder to maintain the intensity necessary to win games week in week out -and as such, cups can become bit of a lead balloon. Edited 26 October, 2011 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 26 October, 2011 Share Posted 26 October, 2011 I went to the game last night. I went of my own free will. I am grown up. It has not eluded me that the Carling Cup has been devalued. And I'm glad I went. We were done by two mistakes and possibly the biggest Homer since Matt Groening started doodling in High School. But I've seen two young lads who could well feature in future - both really excellent. I've seen enough to know Johnno Forte is not a realistic option up front. I now know why Fox gets in ahead of Harding. I know Danny Butterfield is a wholehearted player who doesn't quite cut it at Championship level. And most of all I know why De Ridder doesn't start!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 26 October, 2011 Share Posted 26 October, 2011 Call me old fashioned but I think you should treat all competitions seriously and play your strongest side. Still, Nicola isn't one for cups is he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 October, 2011 Share Posted 26 October, 2011 Call me old fashioned but I think you should treat all competitions seriously and play your strongest side. Still, Nicola isn't one for cups is he. you are old fashioned...no one has done this for years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 October, 2011 Share Posted 26 October, 2011 Call me old fashioned but I think you should treat all competitions seriously and play your strongest side. Still, Nicola isn't one for cups is he. Doesn't matter if you're citeh - scary the 'squad' team they've put out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 26 October, 2011 Share Posted 26 October, 2011 And for the record I don't think we should have a fan on the board but ironically ever since we became a limited company in 1898 the board has had "fans" on the board with the main qualification being wealth and in some cases expertise in the financial world. Rather ironic that Manji was not complaining then. I don't know why people have to get personal when a view is expressed on here - just because you don't like or even understand where I am coming from surely doesn't entitle you to make personal remarks? I wasnt complaining. I completely support your whingeing and sniping at the club.I think you would make a superb club historian,the lack of which is another example of the way Cortese is destroying this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 26 October, 2011 Share Posted 26 October, 2011 Call me old fashioned but I think you should treat all competitions seriously and play your strongest side. Still, Nicola isn't one for cups is he. You are so right ! Who can forget his annoyance when we won the JP Trophy. Fuming he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 26 October, 2011 Share Posted 26 October, 2011 OF course, they were different situations. Pards inherited a squad shot of confidence and without a 'winning mentality' - getting a run going in the cup was part of the rebuilding process. Under NA, we now have a winning mentality and so cups don't have to play that surrogate role. Ultimately, I don't think the cups were a distraction - too many draws and an inability to change things around were responsible. Nor did they tire us out as we lasted the course of the season and indeed went on a run at the end. On the other hand, the championship is far more competitive and physically demanding than L1 -its harder to maintain the intensity necessary to win games week in week out -and as such, cups can become bit of a lead balloon. I would also say that in all honesty we were the best team (with a relatively decent sized squad) in the bottom two divisions and so should have been quite capable of winning a cup and pushing for promotion (although I accept -10 and rebuilding might have hampered out league campaign). However, with regards this season, being honest we were not going to win the League Cup and as you say the Championship is a much harder proposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 26 October, 2011 Share Posted 26 October, 2011 I wasnt complaining. I completely support your whingeing and sniping at the club.I think you would make a superb club historian,the lack of which is another example of the way Cortese is destroying this club. If there is anyone guilty of constant whingeing and sniping then I'm afraid it would be yourself, with your tiresome and somewhat bitter and twisted barrages aimed at Duncan. You almost appear obsessed and you can almost sense your excitement when you see a post from him as you prepare to fire off one of your witless responses. Rather than discuss and even disagree with the point at hand you just seem intent on banging the same old dull & tiresome drum. Let it go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 October, 2011 Share Posted 26 October, 2011 If there is anyone guilty of constant whingeing and sniping then I'm afraid it would be yourself, with your tiresome and somewhat bitter and twisted barrages aimed at Duncan. You almost appear obsessed and you can almost sense your excitement when you see a post from him as you prepare to fire off one of your witless responses. Rather than discuss and even disagree with the point at hand you just seem intent on banging the same old dull & tiresome drum. Let it go. I didn't even read who you had quoted and I knew it would be manji. Sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 26 October, 2011 Share Posted 26 October, 2011 Call me old fashioned but I really think there should only be one cup competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 October, 2011 Share Posted 27 October, 2011 Looking at last night's results it would seem to me that the league Cup is now a squad rotation exercise for the EPL juggernauts. Citeh,Utd,Arsenal,Liverpool and Chelsea all in the last 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanthemanfairoak Posted 27 October, 2011 Share Posted 27 October, 2011 why field a weakened side when you're in the last 16 of a competition? Surley that's the time to step things up a gear and field your strongest team with a view to going as far as possible. I'd be really ****ed off if i'd paid to travel to selhurst park. i am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 October, 2011 Share Posted 27 October, 2011 i am And that's not surprising really, our side wasn't all that weak,it had nothing at the sharp end that's all. Here we spoilt the ship for the proverbial hap'orth of tar.I presume that's because NA overestimated the scoring ability of SDR. He's probably one of these players who looks sh*t hot in a strong side but can do nothing when he's got it all to do for himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 27 October, 2011 Share Posted 27 October, 2011 Simply to support the team and have a night out at a venue that's fairly close to us maybe? As it happens, we were not let down last night by our youngsters, more the performances put in by Butterfield, Harding, De Ridder and Forte. Those guys are all senior players with experience of the standard and were very poor indeed hence NA's comments about fringe players not doing themselves any favours. You thought Butterfield was poor?????? Yes I did, defensively he was sound enough I suppose but his passing and crossing was absolutely abysmal. Every cross went behind or straight into the goalkeeper's arms and I lost count of the amount of times the ball was given away. He wasn't the only one but I expected better from such an experienced player even if playing time recently has been limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 27 October, 2011 Share Posted 27 October, 2011 IMHO we should have sent out a stronger team and gone for a win. No-one i know would be upset at reaching the QF of a cup competition, especially, if you get a plumb draw against one of the big boys with a televised tie. After all, our pre season aspirations have been changed by the great start in the league, so what better chance to see how we'd match up in the PL by going head to head with a top half premier league side in the QF of a major cup? And who can say that getting to the SF or even Final would be a problem? Not me, especially after how everyone loved the JPT final only a few years ago. I'd much rather go into the Boro game top of the league with a QF tie to come, than top of the league with a taste of defeat from a continuing mediocre away record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 October, 2011 Share Posted 27 October, 2011 And that's not surprising really, our side wasn't all that weak,it had nothing at the sharp end that's all. Here we spoilt the ship for the proverbial hap'orth of tar.I presume that's because NA overestimated the scoring ability of SDR. He's probably one of these players who looks sh*t hot in a strong side but can do nothing when he's got it all to do for himself. And that is exactly the reason why I am saying that the Palace game was an eye-opener in terms of squad depth. We chose not to play Rickie, and as a result were toothless. The message is clear - if Rickie loses form or gets injured, our League campaign is f**ked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 October, 2011 Share Posted 27 October, 2011 Call me old fashioned but I think you should treat all competitions seriously and play your strongest side. Still, Nicola isn't one for cups is he. I agree completely with the soggy one. I've watched my eldest get better and better with every game this season, even after thumpings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 27 October, 2011 Share Posted 27 October, 2011 And that is exactly the reason why I am saying that the Palace game was an eye-opener in terms of squad depth... ... in a mildly interesting but otherwise irrelevant "I wonder what would happen if all our first team XI got injured at the same time" kind of way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieDog Posted 27 October, 2011 Share Posted 27 October, 2011 I agree completely with the soggy one. I've watched my eldest get better and better with every game this season, even after thumpings. I bet he doesn't have to play 50+ games a year at the pace and intensity of the Championship! Let's be honest.....even with a lucky draw, it's highly unlikely we would get past the semis with the likes of Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea and Arsenal all still in it. BUT.....just out of interest (and bearing in mind the winners DO get a place in Europe), would people rather we won the League Cup or get promotion to the Premiership (assuming we couldn't do both). In my mind, it's a matter of playing the odds, and the odds of doing both are really long so it's a no-brainer that we prioritise promotion (and the financial rewards that brings with it, too) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 27 October, 2011 Share Posted 27 October, 2011 Windows ....SDR is a lot better than you give him credit for... He will come good and will turn into a regular goal scorer for us....Hope you have nothing personal against this talented Saints player? Like with Spiderman..we may have to be patient and the end result will be for the benefit of the side... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 27 October, 2011 Share Posted 27 October, 2011 Windows ....SDR is a lot better than you give him credit for... He will come good and will turn into a regular goal scorer for us....Hope you have nothing personal against this talented Saints player? Like with Spiderman..we may have to be patient and the end result will be for the benefit of the side... Shell of a nut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COMEONYOUREDS Posted 27 October, 2011 Share Posted 27 October, 2011 Fans furious in losing game shocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 Fans furious in losing game shocker Fan not remotely bothered about losing game shocker ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 Fan not remotely bothered about losing game shocker ? Indeed, as I certainly couldn't (and didn't) give a monkeys!!!! I don't think we're alone either which just makes me wonder how long this farce of a Cup can stagger on. It's not right when you really don't care if your team wins or not!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 Would rather get 3 points in the League tomorrow,than win in Cup. What would have happened had Nigel played RL all game and he got injured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-scooby Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 I went, meet my son and his mate up there, made a day of it, pretty sure all the team played to win. Went away feeling a bit let down, but some Tasty Jerk sauce sorted that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 I agree with FF. I was interested to see the youngsters in the team. However, after 45 minutes at Selhurst Park it was clear that the two lads had acquitted themselves well considering their age, but despite dominating the midfield, the match was going nowhere for Saints. We were never going to score. So why did not NA bring on first team players sooner after the interval? The second half became pointless, and I was dreading going into half time, at which point I would have left the stadium. Defeat came as an irritating and unneccesay relief. I couldn't wait to get home and forget about the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 28 October, 2011 Share Posted 28 October, 2011 Would rather get 3 points in the League tomorrow,than win in Cup. What would have happened had Nigel played RL all game and he got injured? He and Guly could have been brought on after the interval. They would have had opportunities to score, win the match, and they would have remained more invigorated and prepared for Saturday as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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