Tony F Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Lots of us have commented about Guly's "intermittent" form - especially away from home. I certainly felt that he did not look like he was pulling his weight yesterday, too many passes went atray etc. But that touch he provided, to put Stve DR through from the throw-in, was sublime. Gotta give credit where it's due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Thought he was one of our better players first half, admittedly faded in the second, but then he came up with that. He has the ability to do one great bit of play in a game, which is why hes worth keeping on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(not THE) Kevin Moore Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Lots of expert's slagged him off after the swindon game and can't admit they were wrong so leap on any error or poor game as evidence. Ignoring the goals and assists he's got for us this season and last, he can be hit and miss but produces match winning moments of class, that not many players at this level can replicate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 No complaints at all. Not as young as some in the team, and although picked for all League matches has been subbed 10 times. OBVIOUSLY, he's not a 95 minute player every week, and NA knows this, but with 3 league goals (+1 cup) and more than a few assists, those " Brazilian" touches like yesterdays set-up for SDR - makes him worth his place in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Guly must be a nightmare to play against in whatever form he is in because of his unpredictability don't think he knows what he is going to do next so how can his marker There is as much chance of missing an empty net from 6 yards as put a 25 yarder in top corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 I am convinced that he will make a lot of the doubters eat their words before the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Lots of expert's slagged him off after the swindon game and can't admit they were wrong so leap on any error or poor game as evidence. Ignoring the goals and assists he's got for us this season and last, he can be hit and miss but produces match winning moments of class, that not many players at this level can replicate. Remember it well. He was the only player who knew where to be in order to score a goal, trouble was that the team were out of sorts that day and didn;t realise that they could have gained a simple win by just getting the ball to Guly repeatedly. I don't profess to know anything about football tactics like some on here, but it was staring us in the face that day. Guly is a diamond, I don't expect him to play every week but I would dearly miss him if he ever left. He may not be a Matt LeTiss but he can win you a game with one single flick of the ball, yesterday it was The Riddler who benefited but any outfield player must dream of having a ball delivered to them with such panache as he showed yesterday. Sunday's word of the day - panache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 I am convinced that he will make a lot of the doubters eat their words before the end of the season. They'd choke on them rather than eat them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(not THE) Kevin Moore Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 They'd choke on them rather than eat them. Lol The thing is, the same 'haters' would be the ones complaining about us being one dimensional if he were to be left out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Guly is a diamond, I don't expect him to play every week but I would dearly miss him if he ever left. I think that's about right, at least as far as I'm concerned. Yet he has started every single league game this season. I do wonder if, away from home, we're not maximising our results by ignoring de Ridder from the start. At home we're likely to have more posession, which obviously suits Guly's game much better. Away from home we need to play on the counter a little more, but yesterday's team had no pacy outlet, someone who looked like they were going to sprint beyond the last man. I've thought this season that, with Lallana and Guly on both wings, while both are clearly good players they are a little similar in style. De Ridder gives something much more different, he's fast, direct and will look to attack players on his own or can get in behind with a ball over the top. With Lallana/Chaplow and Guly, I just don't see that we have that option. As a consequence yesterday Reading were able to play a very high line with us and squeeze play into our own half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 2 Chaplow's would be the finishing touch for me, one either side of midfield; switching sides, over-lapping and spitting balls to any player with enough of a football brain to be in a great position to astound and demolish the opposition with skill and panache. Now, where could we possibly find a player of that ilk I wonder??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Lots of expert's slagged him off after the swindon game and can't admit they were wrong so leap on any error or poor game as evidence. Ignoring the goals and assists he's got for us this season and last, he can be hit and miss but produces match winning moments of class, that not many players at this level can replicate. Agreed, not even close to one of his best games but he played in SDR and was better than a few. He was easily better than Connoly but got far more criticism on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 I'd play him the classic "number 10" position, rest DC and play SDR. He's one of those players who drives you nuts away from home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 He's done some good things this season but was poor yesterday - apart from that sublime pass which led to our goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 That pass to de Ridder was sublime - but then again the ball to Hammond, which lead to his second yellow was poor - it kinda sums him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Does a lot of good things, a few brilliant things but the thing which lets him down is the showboating casual pass that gives the ball away dropping the team in it, he needs to cut that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Nowhere near his best yesterday but never worth the amount of abuse being dished out towards him from the numpties stood behind me which went on from start to finish of the game. Thing is you could easily pick on any player and then start ragging off when they misplace a pass or fail to control the ball properly and have ample opportunities to do it. They'd probably even claim his assist for the goal was lucky or something, wish I'd asked them about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Lot of people suggested he may be one of those classic Brazilian players who goes missing away from home before he had even signed. Seems that may have been a good prediction! I've seen him be brilliant and other times be the worst player on the park. You never know what you are going to get! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 He's a good player but he's not exceptional. Why do we need to have extremes of opinion? FWIW I'd be playing him alongside Lambert at the moment as DC needs a rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 I'd rather analyse the full performance. Yes good assist, but his constant poor passing put us under pressure and IMO he got Hammond sent off. Happened several times, poor passes, players trying to recover the ball and conceding fouls. Guly played another poor ball and Hammond dived in to win it back. But from that moment with 10 guly put a shift in and was great. Figure that one out! It's pretty harsh to blame Guly for Hammond's sending off. Yes he played a loose pass but there was no need for Hammond to go in for it like that when already on a yellow. Hammond got himself sent off, Guly didn't do it for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LainPain Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 I'd play him the classic "number 10" position, rest DC and play SDR. He's one of those players who drives you nuts away from home. I'd go for that. Especially knowing SDR can score his share of goals, we don't necessarily need 2 strikers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 24 October, 2011 Share Posted 24 October, 2011 Guly was all over the place against Reading and his passing was not good enough for the Parks but he did 'make' the goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 24 October, 2011 Share Posted 24 October, 2011 Yes, he had a bit of a stinker, but in general his link play is wonderful and he does more defensive covering than people give him credit for, a part of his game that he has improved on from last year. Does seem more suited to home games where we are on the offensive more, but his eye for a pass is something that is needed to create chances especially with Lala out. Oh ..... and his song is one most people seem to be able to manage quite well!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 24 October, 2011 Share Posted 24 October, 2011 I was a doubter when he first joined - but then he gave me the thumbs up at the Total garage on the edge of the M3. That's when his form improved, and he's become a key player in our side. I mus admit he's nearly indispensible, he's class, he reads the game so well, has a great touch, and an eye for goal too - his biggest problem is that he's gangly and looks like he's not trying enough, even though he does. Great touch yesterday, and should've scored Tuesday night too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 24 October, 2011 Share Posted 24 October, 2011 He's a good player but he's not exceptional. Why do we need to have extremes of opinion? FWIW I'd be playing him alongside Lambert at the moment as DC needs a rest. I agree. He is the only real option for a proven goalscorer with Barnard out (indefinitely) and Connolly not on his best form yet maybe DC should play deeper (as stand-in for Lallana) and play Guly as an out-and-out, old fashioned centre forward, that really would put the cat amongst the pigeons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 24 October, 2011 Share Posted 24 October, 2011 I think you have to ask yourself in these situations whether we trust NA's judgement or not? For me, I love Guly being in the side as he has the ability to unlock defences as he showed with the pass for SDR's goal. Yes, he gives the ball away sometimes but no more so than many other players. For example, Jack Cork is a very good player but gave away possession as much as Guly in my opinion versus Reading and also when he came on against West Ham yet gets little criticism. I get frustrated when things are not going well and misplaced passes happen, but the number of times Guly has opened up play with deft touches, quality passes threaded through tight areas pinpoint for chances and goals etc plus the fact that he has the ability to score goals and has a bit of pace is more than enough for me to think he deserves his place in the side ahead of either Connolly or SDR at the moment. I still believe his best position is playing up off Lambert where he can cause the mayhem in the final third and giving the ball away in a tight area by trying something does not have as much of an adverse impact if it goes wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 24 October, 2011 Share Posted 24 October, 2011 (edited) I'm I the only one (very likely) who thinks he plays better in the middle with Lambert rather than out on the right? Guly is sometimes brillant, sometimes awful but he seems to pop up with something special when it's needed.... Edited 24 October, 2011 by doddisalegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andover_Saint07 Posted 24 October, 2011 Share Posted 24 October, 2011 Guly was all over the place against Reading and his passing was not good enough for the Parks but he did 'make' the goal. He made a nice pass but DE RIDDER made his own goal with some nice footwork and finish.. Alot of work was still required after the pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Reece Posted 24 October, 2011 Share Posted 24 October, 2011 I'm the only one (very likely) who thinks he plays better in the middle with Lambert rather than out on the right? Guly is sometimes brillant, sometimes awful but he seems to pop up with something special when it's needed.... I always seem to think he is slightly more effective up top with Lambert, I'm not sure why, but last season I seem to remember he had a spell of a few games up there and he did well, was this when he had his 'purple patch' of scoring goals?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 24 October, 2011 Share Posted 24 October, 2011 I think NA is waiting for SDR to pick up his form then he will play him on the wing and allow guly to play upfront, also hes giving DC a chance to keep his scoring form up but he was poor yday so maybe now next league game he may start on the bench, for me DC and RL will only work when there is 2 pacey trickey wingers playing with them as they lack the pace but have amazing goal scoring ability and hold up play for this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakovnetski Posted 24 October, 2011 Share Posted 24 October, 2011 We have looked weak down the right with Guly in front of Richardson recently. Seems that most times neither could beat a man or put in a cross. Don't know if Guly feels out of it or not but it doesn't look right its working there IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 24 October, 2011 Share Posted 24 October, 2011 when considering the ..TWELVE players who have already netted for us this season. Admitedly, we expect Ricky to be top man, Lallana has scored 5, whilst Guly and Connolly have 4 each (De Ridder3). Surely not so bad for someone who effectively plays a midfield role, and like yesterday, he has made a number of assists too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 24 October, 2011 Share Posted 24 October, 2011 It's pretty harsh to blame Guly for Hammond's sending off. Yes he played a loose pass but there was no need for Hammond to go in for it like that when already on a yellow. Hammond got himself sent off, Guly didn't do it for him. It was a poor pass to no one, all be it from a tight area. Not great stuff. The question is how much trouble would we have been in if Hammond had not dived in. IMO there would have been a massive gap in midfield and Hammond had got his first for the exact same reason - counter attack down the middle. Whether Hammond could have changed direction and stayed with the Reading player is debatable. I think he had to go for the tackle, so Guly must take some blame. I didn't think his all round game was too bad. Cork and DC were miles worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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