captainchris Posted 22 October, 2011 Share Posted 22 October, 2011 worst display this season by far IMO so to get a point with ten men is terrific. We were absolutely woeful in midfield, Cork especially was miles off his best and I'm starting to wonder if the rotation policy has ****ed him as he was in unbelievable form before being `rested'. Mind you even Cork came good in the last ten minutes when we desperately needed our midfielder to cover a lot of ground he stepped up. Davis 8 some outstanding saves, catches and punches Richardson 8 strong showing again. Can't ask a lot more of a fullback Fonte 6 given a very hard test and dragged all over the place. Jos 7 solid enough but the channel balls made life tough for him Fox 8 strong and much better in possession with only one hollywood ball all game and that even went straight to de Ridder Guly 5 worked hard and touch and passing was good, but we needed a bit more from him. He needs to see more of the ball in every game. Very little threat and even less so when moved up front Chaplow 8 absolutely everywhere, hussled and bussled and broke up play, Great energy which came into its own when down to ten. Corners were crap. Cork 2 woeful until last ten minutes, touch, passing and decisions poor. Break has not helped him. He has set very high standards, not met today that's for sure. Shoukd have been subbed after half an hour... Hammond 5 slightly harsh second booking perhaps, but the risk was there. IMO he didn't offer himself enough and we never got our passing game going. Lambert 4 in Pearce's pocket most of the game, when he did win headers they went to no one. Connelly 3 zero threat, and some poor lay offs, which apart from his dropping into the hole to link up play is what he gives us - usually, but if they are not working he offers us nothing. Boy do we need an option up front Martin 6 solid defensively, but the kick it off for safety is taken way too far, he doesn't even try to smash it up field. Just taping it off for a throw is safe yes, but this is the second level in English football not Tyro league Morgan - should have brought him on at half time IMO for Cork de Ridder 8 great impact and outstanding goal, overplayed a little after that, but hard to criticise One final thing, why do I always seem to get stuck standing behind the idiot that stands on the seat and gives ****** signs to the home fans the entire game before trying to break the seat in front of him. This is total rubbish..... Guly's passing was woeful - which game were you watching??????????????????? He conceded the goal AND the sending off!! Way off the mark. We are supposed to be a passing team but Guly is not in that team............. Connely can only play in short bursts of games he then becomes invisible....two players whom need a long rest.....come on Nigel - your a great manager to bottle the obvious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 22 October, 2011 Share Posted 22 October, 2011 100% I'm afraid to say IF WE ARE GOING TO PLAY A PASSING GAME them Guly will NOT fit into this tactic at an absolute liability. gave away pass for the goal and sendinding off...........He has had time enough........It is not working with him in the team - now letting us down big time...........I'm patient but NOT THAT PATIENT!! Time to end his first team run!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pick your toys up - Saints fans getting all Uncle Tom again. Gully is a top player, that's why NA picks him and that's why he was one of our best players at Derby last week. Granted he wasn't very good today but nor were several others.... in the interest of balance can we have a toys-out-of-the-pram thread on Hammond or Cork please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Guly is a tough one. Can have a tough game as he did today, but always capable of popping up with some quality to win us points. Great pass for the goal today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Did you say anything to him or did you think to yourself "just you wait until i get back on my putor and call you a ****** on TSW"? PMT? You seem very grumpy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Lucky to get a point today. Not going to complain though. Need to beat 'Boro on Saturday now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 We were truly awful and deserved nothing from the game but at the end had enough chances to win it easily. We could not do anything right today. Reading decided to stop us playing and then found all they had to do was wait for us to give them the ball - which we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 This is total rubbish..... Guly's passing was woeful - which game were you watching??????????????????? He conceded the goal AND the sending off!! Way off the mark. We are supposed to be a passing team but Guly is not in that team............. two very poor passes I agree that were very costly, but he wasn't alone in making poor passes and I thought the rest of his passing was well weighted and accurate. I was comparing him to Cork who was a liability. I only gave him a 5 by the way as he didn't do a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Tbf Reading got it spot on. They were on us as soon as we had the ball, we never had a chance to get our usual passing game going. They were a decent side, KD kept us in it and so a point it's a point gained against a strong team in my book. We may have to get used to it because a lot of sides are gonna handle us the same way now, fortunately they wont all be as efficient at it as Reading. I quite like the Madjeski, terrible location but good once inside...and once you've got out of the inadequate (and potentially dangerous) concourse...hard to believe it holds 7k less than SMS. Been before but always stood lower down, being higher up this time you notice how it quickly changes and because a lot steeper which gives the impression of it being bigger than it is. Also explains why the concourse is far too narrow below. The stands (particularly behind the goals) are also tight to the pitch unlike SMS. So, acceptable point, just need to get 3 in our (next) top-2 clash with Boro on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Reading did their homework but we're easy to set up against without pace and options in behind them. Teams can play a high line and press with impunity, knowing everything will be played in front of them. And how many of our players can genuinely beat a man in a one on one situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Gotta say I was REALLY IMPRESSED with the goal music and how they all sung the words. That is PROPER fans. A little piece of me dies inside whenever I hear Goal Music, End Of Game music etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Lots of criticism of Guly's passing, he didn't seem his usual self. BUT his pass to De Ridder for the goal was cheeky and sublime. Those of you saying he shouldn't start should remember that we would've lost at Reading if he wasn't on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 A little piece of me dies inside whenever I hear Goal Music, End Of Game music etc. Taking a cue from the darts is especially tinpot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Pick your toys up - Saints fans getting all Uncle Tom again. Gully is a top player, that's why NA picks him and that's why he was one of our best players at Derby last week. Granted he wasn't very good today but nor were several others.... in the interest of balance can we have a toys-out-of-the-pram thread on Hammond or Cork please? Guly has been sh/t from day one. But every half dozen games he plays ok and that's alright for some people. He's clumsy and gangly and sticks out like a sore thumb as a weak link in our passing team. The very first time I saw him play at Swindon away last season I thought he was sh/t and I was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Guly has been sh/t from day one. But every half dozen games he plays ok and that's alright for some people. He's clumsy and gangly and sticks out like a sore thumb as a weak link in our passing team. The very first time I saw him play at Swindon away last season I thought he was sh/t and I was right. Love it how you come across all big man after going to a game. Guly's had a few dodgy games -not helped by being played on the wing (notwithstanding licence to cut inside); but he's not sh/t. And Swindon -what about it? Wasn't the whole team sh/t that day- you'll also remember Guly was playing left wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Gotta say I was REALLY IMPRESSED with the goal music and how they all sung the words. That is PROPER fans. Did they have a microphone on their drummer? I swear no one can drum that loudly.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Love it how you come across all big man after going to a game. Guly's had a few dodgy games -not helped by being played on the wing (notwithstanding licence to cut inside); but he's not sh/t. And Swindon -what about it? Wasn't the whole team sh/t that day- you'll also remember Guly was playing left wing. Calm down dear. It's a football forum. You know a place where people give their opinion. I do apologise for not agreeing with Shurlock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Did they have a microphone on their drummer? I swear no one can drum that loudly.... I think so. If you read in the programme, one of the matchday selling points is the atmosphere created by the drum. And oh dear at Madejski - did anyone else think "what a cock"as he walked to the centre circle with the matchball held above his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Calm down dear. It's a football forum. You know a place where people give their opinion. I do apologise for not agreeing with Shurlock. Settled then -he's been sh/t from one day. Its a lovely sunday morning and I feel extra renewed with that nugget of infinite wisdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Superb point away to a very decent team IMO. I think I enjoy gutsy performances like that more than home canters against minnows as it really shows what the team are made of. Just over a week short of November and we're top by 3 points, would someone please pinch me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Reading did their homework but we're easy to set up against without pace and options in behind them. Teams can play a high line and press with impunity, knowing everything will be played in front of them. And how many of our players can genuinely beat a man in a one on one situation? Sums up my view exactly. Lallana can beat a man but wasn't playing of course. We need pace up front so that teams are wary of playing a high line pressing game. This is why the balance of the game changed after De Ridder was introduced, even when down toten men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 100% I'm afraid to say IF WE ARE GOING TO PLAY A PASSING GAME them Guly will NOT fit into this tactic at an absolute liability. gave away pass for the goal and sendinding off...........He has had time enough........It is not working with him in the team - now letting us down big time...........I'm patient but NOT THAT PATIENT!! Time to end his first team run!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I really can't understand the slagging of Guly and Connolly gets off scott free. For me has has been far more ineffective over the past 5 games and yesterday gave the ball away EVERY time. You might be forgiven for thinking that people are more interested in justifying their first impression of a player than giving an honest opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 I really can't understand the slagging of Guly and Connolly gets off scott free. For me has has been far more ineffective over the past 5 games and yesterday gave the ball away EVERY time. You might be forgiven for thinking that people are more interested in justifying their first impression of a player than giving an honest opinion. Connelly is past it, and Guly never had it. Is that better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Guly = Marmite. Either love or hate. I quite like Marmite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr27 Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 (edited) We got upto Reading Station around 1600, joined the queue for the bus to the ground - great banter all the way from that point although the journey seemed never ending. When we got inside, as someone earlier mentioned concourse was surprisingly small. Seats were good (we were above the disabled bit) and view was excellent. Fonte, Cork and Guly did not have their best of games - indeed, Fonte's place may start to come under scrutiny after Boro if he fails to perform well. Guly was frustratingly poor at times, and was half asleep when Federici parried Chaplow's effort. If he had been "on the ball" it would have been an easy tap-in for him. However, great vision for the goal! Getting out, not a problem, although direction towards where the buses were that took us back the station was non-existant. Once we found them, straight on and through to the Station where we jumped on the Bournemouth virgin train close to 1st class - standing room only. The work experience kid then demanded we all move down the train where "there was plenty of space", which was met with a polite no there isn't. He then tried to show us, but re-appeared 10 seconds later, remarking to his colleague "There's no way I gonna get through that lot"! Excellent day - noise was superb when we scored, awesome. Edited 23 October, 2011 by markr27 speeling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Guly has been sh/t from day one. But every half dozen games he plays ok and that's alright for some people. He's clumsy and gangly and sticks out like a sore thumb as a weak link in our passing team. The very first time I saw him play at Swindon away last season I thought he was sh/t and I was right. Guly created the opportunity for De Ridder to score! I'm so glad you don't pick the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_TOAST Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Well I was lucky to see any of the game yesterday after not being let in for apparently being to drunk. Finally let me in start of 2nd half (after visits to McDonalds to "sober up") and told to sit with the disabled people and not move. but anyway played rather **** I thought and missed good chances especially Chaplow. Bus ride back to the station was probably the highlight of day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Guly created the opportunity for De Ridder to score! I'm so glad you don't pick the team. So one good moment and the rest of the time he was sh/t. He must be the new Matt Le Tissier then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Lots of criticism of Guly's passing, he didn't seem his usual self. BUT his pass to De Ridder for the goal was cheeky and sublime. Those of you saying he shouldn't start should remember that we would've lost at Reading if he wasn't on the pitch. What a very odd way to look at it. You're saying that if de Ridder had played instead of Guly he would definitely have done nothing better (or different) than Guly did all day, would definitely not have created more chances than Guly did, and we definitely wouldn't have scored a goal without Guly there. Strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 I`ve got a couple of guys who sit behind me at SMS who moan when Guly does something wrong but don`t praise when he does good things - which IMHO he does quite often. However, I am sure that their equivalent on this forum are right about our third highest scorer with I don`t know how many assists, that he is and always has been "Sh1t". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 What a very odd way to look at it. You're saying that if de Ridder had played instead of Guly he would definitely have done nothing better (or different) than Guly did all day, would definitely not have created more chances than Guly did, and we definitely wouldn't have scored a goal without Guly there. Strange. No. I am saying that Guly got the assist. He was poor for most of the game, but his one moment of genius created the goal. Had he not been on the pitch he could not have created SDR's opportunity. Discussing other variables is pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 The team were coasting from the start with lead in their legs, probably the after effects of their outstanding lively performance against the physical Hammers on Tuesday (unless all but Chaplow and Kelvin were clubbing Friday night -surely not). At least they found the energy for a magnificent last 14 minutes, inspired by the Riddler. One fault that I have noticed creeping into their game in recent weeks is casual passing. Not as crisp and direct as it was earlier in the season, so too often being intercepted when not under pressure. We won't get promoted unless this is remedied in training, and we won't survive in the PL with this weakness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 So one good moment and the rest of the time he was sh/t. He must be the new Matt Le Tissier then. One good moment can change a game. The whole team were below par yesterday. Are you singling out Guly because it suits your racist agenda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 No. I am saying that Guly got the assist. He was poor for most of the game, but his one moment of genius created the goal. Had he not been on the pitch he could not have created SDR's opportunity. Discussing other variables is pointless. Discussing other variables is pointless?! No it isn't! This is an internet chat forum, it's the whole point of the place! The question posed is would a different system and players (i.e. de Ridder instead of Guly) have had a different impact throughout the entire game than the one we saw yesterday. Would a different system have set up or finished more/better chances than we saw yesterday. Being as Adkins suggested in his post-match interview that he perhaps made a mistake by only making one change in personnel, I'd say discussion of other variables is entirely relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Connelly is past it, and Guly never had it. Is that better? Certainly helps clarify that it is down to a general lack of knowledge rather than bias. Guly has clearly shown at times this season that he HAS it. The issue is applying it on a consistent basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanthemanfairoak Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 =Twentytwentvision;1170079]Chaplow was magnificent again....my wife is a Reading season ticket holder and also pointed out that we appeared fitter than Reading. Guly was poor and just didn't get into the game....Connoly much the same as Guly. [why o why do we start that GULY??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 and told to sit with the disabled people and not move. That must have been nice for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 =Twentytwentvision;1170079]Chaplow was magnificent again....my wife is a Reading season ticket holder and also pointed out that we appeared fitter than Reading. Guly was poor and just didn't get into the game....Connoly much the same as Guly. [why o why do we start that GULY??? Possibly because Adkins knows more than we do?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 The teams that win titles are the ones that get a point on a bad day, that's what we've done, so be happy about it. the whole team was under performing, why all this picking on Guly? Was anyone on form apart from Kelvin? But we got a point, we're on the winning track, cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Discussing other variables is pointless?! No it isn't! This is an internet chat forum, it's the whole point of the place! The question posed is would a different system and players (i.e. de Ridder instead of Guly) have had a different impact throughout the entire game than the one we saw yesterday. Would a different system have set up or finished more/better chances than we saw yesterday. Being as Adkins suggested in his post-match interview that he perhaps made a mistake by only making one change in personnel, I'd say discussion of other variables is entirely relevant. Speculate as much as you want, I have better things to do with my time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 I really can't understand the slagging of Guly and Connolly gets off scott free. For me has has been far more ineffective over the past 5 games and yesterday gave the ball away EVERY time. You might be forgiven for thinking that people are more interested in justifying their first impression of a player than giving an honest opinion. Quite right. Guly was good against West Ham and Derby. Connolly has been out of form for about half a dozen games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Speculate as much as you want, I have better things to do with my time. So you've never had a discussion with anyone as to what our next team line up should be, based upon the previous game? Fair enough. Me personally, I quite enjoy analysing a performance and theorising where we could have been stronger. If that's a waste of time then so be it, it's a lazy Sunday and I have time to waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 (edited) Simply, that was probably the worst we have played all season, away from home, against a good side, with 10 men, and we still got a point. Will take that. Never really got going until the sending off after which I thought we actually could have gone on to win it. Reading, for me, made a defensive sub in the last 5 bringing Harte on for Kanu which I thought showed how much we turned it up late on. Davis - 8 - On such good form at the moment and that save against Leigertwood was brilliant. Richardson - 7 had a decent enough game, could have got forward more. Jos - 8 - Good again. Fonte - 7 - Not too sure why he went off. Fox - 7 - Decent game. Cork - 5 - Worst game Ive seen him. Hammond - 6 - not really there today. Guly - 6 - Started well I thought, but phazed out even though his pass for the goal was class. Chaplow - 7 - Only midiflder who impressed. Connelly - 5 - didn't do anything for me. got to start De Ridder now. Lambert - 6 - Quiet again, was bettered in the first half, but imposed himself more in the second. De Ridder - 8 - Was superb when he came on. Spider - Didn't really notice him to be honest. Martin - 7 - Didn't realise Fonte got subbed, but didn't miss him so have to say a decent game. Definatelt should have scored though. Saints fans superb, Reading fans laughable. only 2 blocks made any noise and it was just chants of 'who are ya'. Come on, don't feed us straight lines. Went mental for the goal so was a good trip barring the waiting for a bus back to the station ! Edited 23 October, 2011 by saints-cris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 So you've never had a discussion with anyone as to what our next team line up should be, based upon the previous game? Fair enough. Me personally, I quite enjoy analysing a performance and theorising where we could have been stronger. If that's a waste of time then so be it, it's a lazy Sunday and I have time to waste. Enjoy your Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 The whole team were below par yesterday. several players: Fox, Davis, Richardson, Chaplow had very good games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Guly was f**king junk... his lazy, inaccurate passes are far too frequent. He has about 1 good game in 5 and on the strength of that, is in the team for the next 4 games where he proceeds to be w4nk again. Guess he'll be good on Saturday then.... Not true, but did have a bit of an off day today, but so did many of our players. He set up the goal with a great pass!! That's the frustrating thing about Guly though, one moment of skill,brilliance or sublime pass, but for the rest of it a virtual passenger. I'm inclined to agree with B Rabbit's view as Guly was out of it for long periods,needlessly giving the ball away at times - including the build up to their goal - and offered little.But yet again you can't deny his contribution in rescuing the point. I can't remember the last time we had such an enigma playing for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 several players: Fox, Davis, Richardson, Chaplow had very good games. True, but the TEAM was below par. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3pPHUDnJDI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 just watched the highlights and I thought Hammond was a tad unlucky to get the first yellow but boy did he try hard to get after Leigetwood. That kind of effort will get us far. For the second yellow Guly's pass was sloppy, but the tackle was also rash. I have to say Martin should have done a lot better with his chance. From there he has to score. On the way home the locals station bemoaned the performance on Mills and I think the fans have been less than impressed with him. I thought he was OK myself, but wasn't looking hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holepuncture Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 boozy day out, 3 Guineas was cracking... Vocal support throughout, spirited turn around at the end 3 of us fell into the row in front when de Ridder scored, the bloke in front also then domino-ed down a row! Looking for a cab back to the station we walked past all the buses and the massive queue, some blokes started fighting, and as a result we got to blag our way onto the first bus out without paying, managed to grab some beers and catch a train out immediately, magnificent... then home for a nice bit of cottage pie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Rabbit Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 After seeing that Guly pass / assist for the goal..that was a superb bit of play. He's still been **** for a while and i want a lot more from him personally. Frustrating player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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