Weston Super Saint Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Should we refrain from using such terms as 'The Quisling'?? Isn't it on a par with Scooby's performance art and 'Insect Crouch'?
once_bitterne Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 George Barley and Lawrie McMoneyme (or McEnemy) were two of my favs.....
VectisSaint Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Should we refrain from using such terms as 'The Quisling'?? I agree, prefer Lap Dog or Poodle myself. Quisling seems to be too grand a term for one of such insignificance.
Wes Tender Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Should we refrain from using such terms as 'The Quisling'?? Isn't it on a par with Scooby's performance art and 'Insect Crouch'? Is it on a par? One makes behavioural comparisons with the actions of a renowned traitor and the other compares to a lower life form. Quisling, Judas, traitor, others along that vein are surely fair comment, although obviously exaggerated for effect, whereas insect, rat, c*ckroach or other equivalents are surely quite different.
Scummer Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 I'd rather everyone just used people's names. It all seems a bit childish to me.
norwaysaint Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 I agree, prefer Lap Dog or Poodle myself. Quisling seems to be too grand a term for one of such insignificance. Quisling grand? There wouldn't be too many over here who would agree with that!
Roman Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Should we refrain from using such terms as 'The Quisling'?? Isn't it on a par with Scooby's performance art and 'Insect Crouch'? I think it's worse. Bringing Nazi references into arguments about a football club seems perverse - and something only Sundance used to stoop to. (Where is he, by the way?)
norwaysaint Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Despite its origins, Quisling isn't really ever used to call someone a nazi. It's just somebody who betrays their own when it benefits them.
TopGun Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Must be a pain in the arse to all the Norwegians who are called Quisling.
Wes Tender Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 I think it's worse. Bringing Nazi references into arguments about a football club seems perverse - and something only Sundance used to stoop to. (Where is he, by the way?) The Nazi connection is purely a matter of historic coincidence, but a bit more recent history than Judas. There haven't been that many individuals historically whose actions have become a byword in the language for traitorous behaviour. If you'd care to mention others without Nazi connections, then please do and I'll happily change.
Roman Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 The Nazi connection is purely a matter of historic coincidence, but a bit more recent history than Judas. There haven't been that many individuals historically whose actions have become a byword in the language for traitorous behaviour. If you'd care to mention others without Nazi connections, then please do and I'll happily change. Easy. Michael Wilde. That's bad enough surely.
Scummer Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 I thought Quisling was some kind of Harry Potter reference.
Roman Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Brutus? Et Tu? Despite its origins I also think 'Quisling' suffers as an insult from sounding a teensy bit quaint.
Wopper Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Hateful individual whose sh** on a lot of decent people.
Victor Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 The Nazi connection is purely a matter of historic coincidence, but a bit more recent history than Judas. There haven't been that many individuals historically whose actions have become a byword in the language for traitorous behaviour. If you'd care to mention others without Nazi connections, then please do and I'll happily change. You are getting very muddled - 'Quisling' is not historic COINCIDENCE - it is the name of the actual man who collaborated with the Nazis, but his name has now become a noun in common usage that does not necessarily refer to, or imply, a Nazi. QUOTE: "Is it on a par? One makes behavioural comparisons with the actions of a renowned traitor and the other compares to a lower life form. Quisling, Judas, traitor, others along that vein are surely fair comment, although obviously exaggerated for effect, whereas insect, rat, c*ckroach or other equivalents are surely quite different." QUOTE And, yes, it is on a par - it means 'on a similar level as', not 'similar to'.
Roman Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Hateful individual whose sh** on a lot of decent people. Too long. Fair and balanced, though.
Gordon Mockles Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Should we refrain from using such terms as 'The Quisling'?? Isn't it on a par with Scooby's performance art and 'Insect Crouch'? I actually included that in my epilogue just posted. I think we should do a top ten of TSW adjectives and phrases (most of the crap ones emanate from Scooby and Somedunce... "Quisling" "Cabal" (Um Pahars fave) "Insect" "Golden Duo" "Flat cap" "Imbecile(s)" "Failure" Answers on a postcard please...
Roman Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 I actually included that in my epilogue just posted. I think we should do a top ten of TSW adjectives and phrases (most of the crap ones emanate from Scooby and Somedunce... "Quisling" "Cabal" (Um Pahars fave) "Insect" "Golden Duo" "Flat cap" "Imbecile(s)" "Failure" Answers on a postcard please... You missed 'Bootboy', you insect. And the various epithets for Lawrie and Mary. Didn't tommac have some special words emanating from his Ed Wood-like mind as well?
Gordon Mockles Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 I'd rather everyone just used people's names. It all seems a bit childish to me. I love a good bit of English Language. It's what enriches our culture and language. "Quisling" is good use of our language, as is the manner in which our current board (Wilde, Lowe, you decide) have, and continue to, prevaricate!
offix Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Quisling, traitor, Hateful individual whose sh** on a lot of decent people, Brutus, it all means Michael Wilde to me!
Wes Tender Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 You are getting very muddled - 'Quisling' is not historic COINCIDENCE - it is the name of the actual man who collaborated with the Nazis, but his name has now become a noun in common usage that does not necessarily refer to, or imply, a Nazi. QUOTE: "Is it on a par? One makes behavioural comparisons with the actions of a renowned traitor and the other compares to a lower life form. Quisling, Judas, traitor, others along that vein are surely fair comment, although obviously exaggerated for effect, whereas insect, rat, c*ckroach or other equivalents are surely quite different." QUOTE And, yes, it is on a par - it means 'on a similar level as', not 'similar to'. I'm not getting muddled at all and being as far as I'm aware the person who originally came up with the Quisling epithet, of course I knew of its historical origins. As you rightly say, because of his notoriety as one of the worst traitors, the use of his name has become common currency in usage, much as Judas has. When I said that it was purely historical coincidence that he was infamous for his connection with the Nazis, I meant that I did not raise his name to provoke that connection, anymore than I could be accused of being a religious fanatic if I called him a Judas. And thank you for telling me what I already comprehended to be the meaning of on a par too. But I disagree that the two things being discussed are on a par. i.e. not on a similar level.
Roman Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 I'm not getting muddled at all and being as far as I'm aware the person who originally came up with the Quisling epithet, of course I knew of its historical origins. As you rightly say, because of his notoriety as one of the worst traitors, the use of his name has become common currency in usage, much as Judas has. When I said that it was purely historical coincidence that he was infamous for his connection with the Nazis, I meant that I did not raise his name to provoke that connection, anymore than I could be accused of being a religious fanatic if I called him a Judas. And thank you for telling me what I already comprehended to be the meaning of on a par too. But I disagree that the two things being discussed are on a par. i.e. not on a similar level. We fall out over the funniest things. Anyway, long story short, I think we've learned that Quisling is fine for those that wish to go there. "Wilde' is still a better insult for me but each to his own... And what DID happen to that Sundance fellow?
Mole Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 We fall out over the funniest things. Anyway, long story short, I think we've learned that Quisling is fine for those that wish to go there. "Wilde' is still a better insult for me but each to his own... And what DID happen to that Sundance fellow? Banned.
John B Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 I agree, prefer Lap Dog or Poodle myself. Quisling seems to be too grand a term for one of such insignificance. It is no wonder no one wants to become chairman with all the rude posters on here. I cannot see anyone else wanting the job when the fans start abusing when things go wrong
SaintRichmond Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Should we refrain from using such terms as 'The Quisling'?? Isn't it on a par with Scooby's performance art and 'Insect Crouch'? NO Michael ........... it suits you perfectly .........
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 October, 2008 Author Posted 28 October, 2008 NO Michael ........... it suits you perfectly ......... Lol. That reminds me of the time someone on here was convinced I was Andrew Oldknow
VectisSaint Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Quisling grand? There wouldn't be too many over here who would agree with that! True, grand wasn't quite the word I was looking for, I just don't think Wilde warrants a name such as that, although descriptively it is quite apt.
Victor Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 I'm not getting muddled at all and being as far as I'm aware the person who originally came up with the Quisling epithet, of course I knew of its historical origins. As you rightly say, because of his notoriety as one of the worst traitors, the use of his name has become common currency in usage, much as Judas has. When I said that it was purely historical coincidence that he was infamous for his connection with the Nazis, I meant that I did not raise his name to provoke that connection, anymore than I could be accused of being a religious fanatic if I called him a Judas. And thank you for telling me what I already comprehended to be the meaning of on a par too. But I disagree that the two things being discussed are on a par. i.e. not on a similar level. It needs more thinking about than I have time for, but looks like I probably owe you an apology - so please accept one!
SFC Forever Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 True, grand wasn't quite the word I was looking for, I just don't think Wilde warrants a name such as that, although descriptively it is quite apt.Correct me if I am wrong but surely that is a contradictionPersonally I feel that Quisling is much to friendly with regards to Wilde
Wes Tender Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 It needs more thinking about than I have time for, but looks like I probably owe you an apology - so please accept one! No problem at all, Victor. Thanks,
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Why don't we just call him 'Q' - like that smug pain in the arse from Star Trek .
benjii Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 Just so that you all know, I am going to start using the words "Panglossian" and "Pangloss" a bit more around here. Keep your eyes peeled.
Saint in Paradise Posted 28 October, 2008 Posted 28 October, 2008 I'd rather everyone just used people's names. It all seems a bit childish to me. Totally agree, I also think that calling someone names like those used actually detracts a lot of the stance that the poster is trying to establish, IMHO
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