The Just Back From The Game Thread

[NN2 Saint]

Should have won but could have lost so a point is not too bad. Much the same as the last 3 away games chance after chance for us and just can't put them away still at least we are creating chances away. I am more pushing towards 2 points dropped tho coz Derby really weren't anything special just like the last 3 sides we have dropped points against

[Griffo]

 

Queit, uninterested support from us, as always when everyone starts jumping on the bandwagon.

 

We were poor vocally at Burnley and Cardiff too. Don't know what's caused it this season. You'd have thought it would be rocking with 2,700 all stood away from home.

[1976_Child]

Yes and that is what is hopefully catered for by adequate disabled provision at most grounds. It is clear that the vast majority want to stnad at away games, so who is being selfish at enforcign their will on others? Its been the way for many years, same applies for every other decently supported club.

 

thank you. that is the point I have been trying to make. It is always the majority who are called selfish. never the moaning very small minority.

[1976_Child]

We were poor vocally at Burnley and Cardiff too. Don't know what's caused it this season. You'd have thought it would be rocking with 2,700 all stood away from home.

 

My theory is that in the Championship most games are with numbered tickets - you get a seat number and have to sit in it. In league one most were sit where ever you want, so the noisy 'cheer-leaders' would naturally gravitate to the back and top and there would be critical mass of noise which drags everyone else in.

 

well that's my theory anyway. I also think there are probably a lot of johnny-come-latelies tagging along for the ride at the moment too.

[LGTL]

My theory is that in the Championship most games are with numbered tickets - you get a seat number and have to sit in it. In league one most were sit where ever you want, so the noisy 'cheer-leaders' would naturally gravitate to the back and top and there would be critical mass of noise which drags everyone else in.

 

well that's my theory anyway. I also think there are probably a lot of johnny-come-latelies tagging along for the ride at the moment too.

 

Pretty much my thinking too. There are always little pockets of singing going on, but it's difficult to get going when you've sold 3000 or 4000 tickets and nobody can move. The largest attendances normally means the worst atmosphere.

[devonsaint]

We were poor vocally at Burnley and Cardiff too. Don't know what's caused it this season. You'd have thought it would be rocking with 2,700 all stood away from home.

 

I don't understand all these comments about poor vocal support. I listened to most of the game on Solent (Saints player) and it sounded as though we were the home team. There was almost constant singing of OWTSGMI (and very well sung it was too - slowly!)

[the colonel]

Best away noise this season so far was at Leicester. None stop.

[captainchris]

Should have won that, they were pretty poor and despite not being in full flow we created a fair few chances.

 

Lambert was excellent, Connolly seemed to be out wide a lot and never in the box at the same time as the ball. Chaplow, well I would have preferred De Ridder as we lacked any creative outlet on the left. Defended well apart from the goal. We do arse up at the back fairly frequently and will have to be bang on it against West Ham to avoid anything similar happening.

 

Atmosphere was a bit lame for a full ground. Derby very quiet, we take over 2500 and all stand up but hardly make any noise.

 

This is a really odd post..........De Ridder is no where near up to the standard of this team ............Don't know what you are basing your evidence on. Poor against Watford and - well not dissimilar against Derby...........I am in the camp of thinking Nigel is great but his picking of a player's skill to sign is very suspect. In this respect AP was a hell of a lot better. Don't get me wrong NA is a far better manager but AP can analyse a players skill much better.

[teamsaint]

My theory is that in the Championship most games are with numbered tickets - you get a seat number and have to sit in it. In league one most were sit where ever you want, so the noisy 'cheer-leaders' would naturally gravitate to the back and top and there would be critical mass of noise which drags everyone else in.

 

well that's my theory anyway. I also think there are probably a lot of johnny-come-latelies tagging along for the ride at the moment too.

 

So these JCLs would be those people who travelled a 350 mile (or whatever) round trip and paid £28 a ticket plus petrol money , and took a day off or wasted a day of their weekend to get on the bandwagon?

I suppose so. Bet most of them are plastics who have never been to a game since we dropped out of the PL.

Perhaps there should be a committee to decide who should be allowed to go to away games, and how they should behave when they get there.

 

Oh, and if people who have done all the above mentioned things to support their team decide they want to sit down to watch and support the team ( at £28 a seat ticket) then I for one dont blame them. Especially if they are right behind, for instance, lots of very tall people, and cannot see the game.

[dune]

We were poor vocally at Burnley and Cardiff too. Don't know what's caused it this season. You'd have thought it would be rocking with 2,700 all stood away from home.

 

There's a bit of a correlation between impotent performances and lack of atmosphere. We never looked like scoring despite long periods of possesion.

[shurlock]

There's a bit of a correlation between impotent performances and lack of atmosphere. We never looked like scoring despite long periods of possesion.

 

Which direction does the correlation run - i assume you mean that a lack of atmosphere leads to impotent performances; but it could equally mean that impotent performances lead to a lack of atmosphere?

 

At any rate, disagree that we never looked like scoring despite tons of possession. Maybe the final ball was loose at times but we genuinely stretched them with a lot of our play.

Edited 16 October, 2011 by shurlock

[dune]

Which direction does the correlation run - i assume you mean that a lack of atmosphere leads to impotent performances; but it could equally mean that impotent performances lead to a lack of atmosphere?

 

At any rate, disagree that we never looked like scoring despite tons of possession.

 

How the team played affected the atmosphere. It was just like the Cardiff game. We huffed and puffed but there was hardly any penetration.

[saintmatt]

Which direction does the correlation run - i assume you mean that a lack of atmosphere leads to impotent performances; but it could equally mean that impotent performances lead to a lack of atmosphere?

 

At any rate, disagree that we never looked like scoring despite tons of possession. Maybe the final ball was loose at times but we genuinely stretched them with a lot of our play.

 

The old causality chesnut rearing its head again..

[shurlock]

How the team played affected the atmosphere. It was just like the Cardiff game. We huffed and puffed but there was hardly any penetration.

 

Atmosphere was poor at Barnsley as well, though we played well (and it was de facto unreserved seating). We're a family club and our away support naturally reflects that mix. London games and local fixtures tend to bring out more of the (pencil-necked) 'lads' -and Reading will be no different. There'll be an atmosphere regardless of how we play.

Edited 16 October, 2011 by shurlock

[Thedelldays]

This is a really odd post..........De Ridder is no where near up to the standard of this team ............Don't know what you are basing your evidence on. Poor against Watford and - well not dissimilar against Derby...........I am in the camp of thinking Nigel is great but his picking of a player's skill to sign is very suspect. In this respect AP was a hell of a lot better. Don't get me wrong NA is a far better manager but AP can analyse a players skill much better.

CORK, HOOIVELD, GULY, CHAPPERS are all adkins signings..?its easy to be good at signing players in league 1 when you can blow the rest of the league out of the universe with spendinglets not forget that AP had Melis, trotman, otsemobor...all were pretty average league 1 at best...

[OldNick]

I dont understand the posts about the atmosphere. I was listening on Solent and the support sounded magnificent and was commented by the commentators a few times. It may be where you were stood you couldnt hear the noise generated, I thought at first it was the home fans the noise was so load.

[saintchris23]

Problem with dropping Guly is then we'd have to play Forte, unless we can get another brother in on loan?

 

Racism just ain't saintly. Remember that and keep your racist comments, no matter how sly, to yourself.

[saintchris23]

I dont understand the posts about the atmosphere. I was listening on Solent and the support sounded magnificent and was commented by the commentators a few times. It may be where you were stood you couldnt hear the noise generated, I thought at first it was the home fans the noise was so load.

 

Unfortunately Derby sing nearly all of our songs as they're quite generic these days. Trust me, we hardly sang and it was embarrassing. Before I get slated, I'm a pessimistic saints fan but this game summed up my thoughts on st Mary's too...little pockets of fans singing, the majority (itchen,chapel and most of kingsland) quiet for the entire game. I'm not a yobbo but NOTHING beats standing in the Northam when we score, electric. When we go to most games away, the atmosphere is awesome when the whole ground sing or chant, how good it would be if for ONCE, it happened at st Mary's like it did at the dell .

[Legod Third Coming]

Zzzzzzzzz............ What is the point of this thread? Can't we just copy and paste from the Leicester/Burnley/Cardiff games? S**t early defending followed by controlling the game?

 

Most won't get my point, but I'm genuinely p**sed off after this run of away games. I haven't seen one oppossition side that I think are anything special. Derby were sh**te, there for the taking, its genuinely frustrating how close we really could be to running away with this league. S**t team selection from Adkins - if you were a Derby defender and saw that Lallana was missing, you'd be rubbing your hands at seeing Chaplow being the replacement, no matter how wll he's played as a sub this year. Surely it had to be De Ridder in for Lallana? Threaten their defence from the start? Also, unless (very possibly) I've missed something, why no Hammond?

 

Thought Guly was excellent again as was Lambert, Cork is Prem class. Still think Connolly is off the ball in my book and Fox needs to get to the bye line more often.

 

Queit, uninterested support from us, as always when everyone starts jumping on the bandwagon.

 

This is my biggest concern. I wasn't there yesterday but we can't have 60% possession, 9 chances on target and come away with a point. Later in the season we could come up against far better opposition and will look back on this period as a missed opportunity to build up a 'bank' to see us through a potential wobble...

[Thedelldays]

This is my biggest concern. I wasn't there yesterday but we can't have 60% possession, 9 chances on target and come away with a point. Later in the season we could come up against far better opposition and will look back on this period as a missed opportunity to build up a 'bank' to see us through a potential wobble...

and there will be times when we are crap and win...

[dune]

and there will be times when we are crap and win...

 

Were you at the game Jamie?

 

Are you supposed to be on this thread?

[Thedelldays]

Were you at the game Jamie? Are you supposed to be on this thread?

ark at her, finally goes to a game and gives it the big unI watched the whole game thanks

[dune]

ark at her, finally goes to a game and gives it the big unI watched the whole game thanks

 

Wow, I apologise profusely. I thought you never went.

[up and away]

Should have won but could have lost so a point is not too bad. Much the same as the last 3 away games chance after chance for us and just can't put them away still at least we are creating chances away. I am more pushing towards 2 points dropped tho coz Derby really weren't anything special just like the last 3 sides we have dropped points against

 

I think that is a fair reflection. Derby have done very well results wise this season, but you do wonder how they have managed it. They have several out injured so that could be a factor, but I feel we should have won this if we are as good as we hope we are. The Cardiff game was the real blow, really poor performance against a team hit with injuries and stamina. Just to gift them the win was difficult to take looking at the fight we have put up in other games.

 

That said we are playing really well and in the grand scheme, these things happen to the best of teams during a season. Two things that have had an impact recently are Lallana and Fonte. When Lallana is effective, a good passing game gets elevated to another level, making us virtually unstoppable. As good as Fonte is, it is noticeable when he makes errors. He always had made mistakes going back a while, but I mainly put that down to him trying to cover for weaker links. The UI made the comment that Fonte does not really gel with Hooiveld. Looking back I am wondering if this is a new problem or one that has existed for a while. Don't get me wrong, Fonte has put in a lot of excellent performances but there has always been this isolated error of judgement in reading situations, mostly not costly. Looking back Hammond and Connolly have lost a bit of edge, but Ricky has improved to take up the slack.

 

These things happen to all teams and we are in such a great position even with the team not scoring 4 in a game. I feel that how we conduct ourselves in the January window could well decide where we finish this season. As good as we have been I feel that we will eventually need to freshen things up some time in the future.

[Ken Tone]

Yes and that is what is hopefully catered for by adequate disabled provision at most grounds. It is clear that the vast majority want to stnad at away games, so who is being selfish at enforcign their will on others? Its been the way for many years, same applies for every other decently supported club.

 

Actually that's a self-fuliflling prophecy. I no longer go to away games because I got fed up with boorish fans standing , often on the seats, in front of me and my children. So, it;s hardly a surpris that the majority of away fans now want to stand . Those of us that don't want to, stop going.

 

It's fine at St. Mary's of course. you can choose where to buy your 'seat'. Away... you're stuck with luck of the draw.

[dune]

Actually that's a self-fuliflling prophecy. I no longer go to away games because I got fed up with boorish fans standing , often on the seats, in front of me and my children. So, it;s hardly a surpris that the majority of away fans now want to stand . Those of us that don't want to, stop going.

 

It's fine at St. Mary's of course. you can choose where to buy your 'seat'. Away... you're stuck with luck of the draw.

 

[saintchrissy]

could anyone see the fight going on in the derby fans section midway through the second half and was it involving a saints fan????

[shurlock]

This is my biggest concern. I wasn't there yesterday but we can't have 60% possession, 9 chances on target and come away with a point. Later in the season we could come up against far better opposition and will look back on this period as a missed opportunity to build up a 'bank' to see us through a potential wobble...

 

Derby were **** poor; but lots of teams don't take their chances - just look at Boro yesterday - if not their whole season. It might be a concern if it was a habit but I wouldn't say it is yet. While we haven't taken our chances in other away games, they have been far more balanced and its harder to claim that they were missed opportunities. By contrast, I think we've been pretty clinical at home - we scored more or less from our only chances against Brum and Millwall and have ground out some decent results when games have been tight if not slipping away from us e.g. Forest.

 

If I have an issue, its that in four of our six away games, we've conceded the first goal and in two of those games, the goal has come in the first ten mins.

[The Cat]

This is a really odd post..........De Ridder is no where near up to the standard of this team ............Don't know what you are basing your evidence on. Poor against Watford and - well not dissimilar against Derby...........I am in the camp of thinking Nigel is great but his picking of a player's skill to sign is very suspect. In this respect AP was a hell of a lot better. Don't get me wrong NA is a far better manager but AP can analyse a players skill much better.

 

Can't say I agree that De Ridder is nowhere near the standard of our team and think that is a pretty harsh statement. To be fair he hasn't had enough match time for anyone to make a proper decent judgement but I have seen him in every game he's played and he looks lively and causes the opposition plenty of problems with his dribbling and directness, assets that we distinctly lacked yesterday without Lallana.

[yorkie]

De Ridder went down in the area yesterday and I thought it was definitely worth a shout for a penalty. His direct running will produce this type of opportunity in the future.