richardc Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 pardew left because he treated all the staff like sh*te - he had no respect for anyone and didnt trust his coaches - he would set wilkins a task then come over and interfere all the tme - all the staff hated him - Markus and Cortese didnt like this as it didnt fit in with there vision of the culture they wanted wiithin the club. there was no big incident pardew and downes were all emailed to come in for a 8am meeting - cortese then rang wilkins to tell him he didnt need to come to the meeting and the other two are now history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Sfc1971 they only thing we can ascertain is that you spoke to either a disenfranchised player or Betty the cleaner . Talking of Betty (the old manager of the supporters bar at the dell ) anybody know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Does anyone really give a **** anymore? I certainly don't, I didn't much when it happened either. Lets just get on with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 What a **** post. I know but I'm not going to tell ya!??!? Nah nah nanna nah nah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 I'd heard it was because he was trying it on with Cassie Sumner btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 This is starting to rank alongside 'the reason why we did not re-appoint Glenn Hoddle and condemned ourselves to relegation' conspiracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Nothing new apart from Markus wanting him gone, but if that was the case why didn't they get rid of AP in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Why didnt Newcastle make a move for AP in the summer then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 This is starting to rank alongside 'the reason why we did not re-appoint Glenn Hoddle and condemned ourselves to relegation' conspiracy. We condemned ourselves to relegation because Luggy was sacked 2 games in and didn't replace him with a manager AT ALL! Wigley hadn't managed before and hasn't managed since. Nothing to do with Glenda - Luggy was doing OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Is there any point to this thread? All it tells us is sfc1971 supposedly knows what occurred between AP & NC/ML but is refusing to share it. The rest is speculation & opinion which has been more than covered by many other threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Man Do Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 This is absolutely what happened. Pardew to Newcastle was a done deal ages before he left and Cortese got wind of it. Cortese had no choice. Seriously why would a business man like NC sack someone who he could have gotten compensation for if this was true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Seriously why would a business man like NC sack someone who he could have gotten compensation for if this was true? Because he didn't want to be left in the merda at a more critical stage of the season. He wanted to control the timing: not allow AP to dictate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 ......don't hold your breath, it's only the start of the season..... do you think the same about saints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 This is absolutely what happened. Pardew to Newcastle was a done deal ages before he left and Cortese got wind of it. Cortese had no choice. That makes no sense if AP had a job offer (a five year one at that) why did he not just hand in his notice at the end of the season rather than waste his summer and wait to be sacked? and why sack Wally Downes to boot who didn't have a job at newcastle lined up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 pardew left because he treated all the staff like sh*te - he had no respect for anyone and didnt trust his coaches - he would set wilkins a task then come over and interfere all the tme - all the staff hated him - Markus and Cortese didnt like this as it didnt fit in with there vision of the culture they wanted wiithin the club. there was no big incident pardew and downes were all emailed to come in for a 8am meeting - cortese then rang wilkins to tell him he didnt need to come to the meeting and the other two are now history Must have changed his style a lot since the move to Newcastle then if this beeb article is anything to by http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thefootballtacticsblog/2011/10/newcastle_profit_from_pardews.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Surely no one actually gives a flying f*ck anymore? You should move on and get on the bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 For what it's worth, I heard from someone who had a conversation with someone very well placed in all this. APs attitude changed when we won the JPT, in the way of, won a Trophy upstairs are happy that'll do for this season: when the playoffs were more than possible.So Rickie to Newcastle rumour in Jan will not go out the window, as predicted by some based on RLs wife being on APs shopping list, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Why Alan Pardew got the shove. 100% genuine from a person who is still employed by SFC, I am not going to say if this person is Staff or Player and will not say why AP was fired. However there was not a bust up during training it was not over who was bonking who`s other half nor was it over any Drinking culture. Pards had a few heated run ins with NC and despite what some may think St Markus wanted AP out of SMS before the Wembley final but did not wish to alienate the Fans. The real truth will out in due coarse. My personal opinion of Ap is now on a par with Redknapp. Thanks for nothing pal, what kind of berk gets a kick out of setting people up and then going stum on them. You've just got the Big Tick on my list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 AP has moved on SFC have moved on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 But what about the biscuits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Must have changed his style a lot since the move to Newcastle then if this beeb article is anything to by http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thefootballtacticsblog/2011/10/newcastle_profit_from_pardews.html Do you really think one of the coaches at Newcastle would be doing an interview to be anything less than 100% positive about the manager there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Sort of agree but have to remember it was Pardew who brought those players in. I actually wonder if we would of done so well had it been Adkins brought in to do the job Pardew had to do. Adkins is doing great. Deserves all the praise he get's. But i think a lot of it is also down to Pardew and for that also deserves praise. People seem to forget when he took over there was basically nothing in the club. No staff, no scouts, players wanting out and moving on. Even people like Davis were about to bail, as was Lallana. Pardew talked them around. He re-built the football side of the club. Sure he made mistakes but the foundations for the team were put down by Pardew. The way we play now was started back then. He was also the one who gave Alex his chance. I hate looking at it in a Pardew vs Adkins way as it shouldn't be like that. They both did very well for the club. I appreciate and respect what Pardew did. Will probably be the only time we get to Wembley in a long long time. And at the same-time i respect and appreciate what Adkins is doing. They are both two good era's to be a Saints fan. Compared to the things that happened before it i think it is nice to be able to say our last two managers actually did very well for this club rather then saying how **** they were for us! There is a lot of rubbish and nothing-ness on this thread, but this is a great post by St Marco and sums it up perfectly - AP did a good job and was unfortunate to miss out on promotion despite the points deduction. NA is doing a good job as demonstrated by our form over the past year. My only complain is why in all the time that Adkins has been manager have Saints never won a single game that I have gone to watch?!!!! Or, more practically, the challenge for Adkins (to improve further on all that he has achieved) is to make Saints better at winning when they go up North. Derby is not quite up North, but hopefully we can travel a bit better for tomorrow's game!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Sort of agree but have to remember it was Pardew who brought those players in. I actually wonder if we would of done so well had it been Adkins brought in to do the job Pardew had to do. Adkins is doing great. Deserves all the praise he get's. But i think a lot of it is also down to Pardew and for that also deserves praise. People seem to forget when he took over there was basically nothing in the club. No staff, no scouts, players wanting out and moving on. Even people like Davis were about to bail, as was Lallana. Pardew talked them around. He re-built the football side of the club. Sure he made mistakes but the foundations for the team were put down by Pardew. The way we play now was started back then. He was also the one who gave Alex his chance. I hate looking at it in a Pardew vs Adkins way as it shouldn't be like that. They both did very well for the club. I appreciate and respect what Pardew did. Will probably be the only time we get to Wembley in a long long time. And at the same-time i respect and appreciate what Adkins is doing. They are both two good era's to be a Saints fan. Compared to the things that happened before it i think it is nice to be able to say our last two managers actually did very well for this club rather then saying how **** they were for us! Sums it up perfectly for me. Both are good Managers; Pardew turned the club around and built the foundations and Nigel has progressed the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 WTF, I have been told todays lottery numbers, but i will not tell you what they are.............. The truth will come out in due course. But here they are: 2 4 7 19 22 30, and i will throw in the bonus number, and that is 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 15 October, 2011 Share Posted 15 October, 2011 I've been reading this thread since the OP and still can't find any info as to why AP was sacked. Am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 15 October, 2011 Share Posted 15 October, 2011 Lock this shi-t ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 15 October, 2011 Share Posted 15 October, 2011 Do you really think one of the coaches at Newcastle would be doing an interview to be anything less than 100% positive about the manager there? No your right he is probably lying through his teeth, becuase it wouldn't fit the theroy of some posters that Pardew is the worst manager saints have ever had, if what he said was the truth............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 15 October, 2011 Share Posted 15 October, 2011 Why Alan Pardew got the shove. 100% genuine from a person who is still employed by SFC, I am not going to say if this person is Staff or Player and will not say why AP was fired. However there was not a bust up during training it was not over who was bonking who`s other half nor was it over any Drinking culture. Pards had a few heated run ins with NC and despite what some may think St Markus wanted AP out of SMS before the Wembley final but did not wish to alienate the Fans. The real truth will out in due coarse. My personal opinion of Ap is now on a par with Redknapp.If you know something then great, share it, otherwise dont bother, Pointless thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 15 October, 2011 Share Posted 15 October, 2011 Who cares ? We have got Adkins now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 15 October, 2011 Share Posted 15 October, 2011 Why Alan Pardew got the shove. 100% genuine from a person who is still employed by SFC, I am not going to say if this person is Staff or Player and will not say why AP was fired. However there was not a bust up during training it was not over who was bonking who`s other half nor was it over any Drinking culture. Pards had a few heated run ins with NC and despite what some may think St Markus wanted AP out of SMS before the Wembley final but did not wish to alienate the Fans. The real truth will out in due coarse. My personal opinion of Ap is now on a par with Redknapp. Nothing personal sfc1971 but translation is below: I've heard a rumour that I believe more than all the other rumours I've heard and now, on the basis of that, I dislike Pardew as much a sagflaps. AP brought in good players, left and is now doing a good job with Newcastle. Thanks Alan, for the cup and the good grounding - we've now got another good manager and more good players. Moving on it's called Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 15 October, 2011 Share Posted 15 October, 2011 No your right he is probably lying through his teeth, becuase it wouldn't fit the theroy of some posters that Pardew is the worst manager saints have ever had, if what he said was the truth............... Overeact much? You've posted that article twice now suggesting it's proof that Pardew couldn't have had bad relations with staff here, when it's clearly nothing of the kind. It's perfectly possible that Pardew's attitude towards 'football people' on the coaching / fitness staff could be entirely different from non 'football people'. Especially if the latter were brought in without his blessing. He wouldn't be the first on that in that regard, not even at this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 15 October, 2011 Share Posted 15 October, 2011 Good piece on AP in today's Mail, didn't know he had never gambled/ placed a bet in his life? Check it out, interesting read that makes an absolute mockery of 1 rumour on here that MA is paying off big gambling debts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 October, 2011 Share Posted 15 October, 2011 Good piece on AP in today's Mail, didn't know he had never gambled/ placed a bet in his life? Check it out, interesting read that makes an absolute mockery of 1 rumour on here that MA is paying off big gambling debts! never believe the papers.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 15 October, 2011 Share Posted 15 October, 2011 Interesting memory lapse.That win (which I thought was 4-0) was the first of the season wasn't it? It was the third game of the season, was it not. Not sure promotions are decided after two games into a season, and we won the third. At the end of the previous season we won something like 10 games out of twelve, and won a cup at Wembley. Adkins picked up the mess caused by the departure of Pardew, not the mess caused by Pardew. It's an important distinction. I think your memory needs a bit of a jog too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 15 October, 2011 Share Posted 15 October, 2011 Hardly, there's no mystery in that one. We didn't appoint him because Lowe bottled it in the face of mong fans being more mongy than normal. Yes, you are more or less correct on that one. Mind you, those mongy fans will not own up to their part in their folly and have even attempted to re-write history or conveniently sweep the whole episode under the carpet ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 15 October, 2011 Share Posted 15 October, 2011 ......don't hold your breath, it's only the start of the season..... That's a bit harsh on Nigel Adkins. He can only beat what's put in front of him, and a good start is a good start. I am presuming that your "don't hold your breath" rule applies to all managers, rather than just ones you don't like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 October, 2011 Share Posted 15 October, 2011 It was the third game of the season, was it not. Not sure promotions are decided after two games into a season, and we won the third. At the end of the previous season we won something like 10 games out of twelve, and won a cup at Wembley. Adkins picked up the mess caused by the departure of Pardew, not the mess caused by Pardew. It's an important distinction. I think your memory needs a bit of a jog too. I'm sure pardew had a hand in what was a bit of a mess in pre season.... look either way it matters not, we are top of the league and this is a position I don't think we would have been playing the way we did under pardew, but that is my opinion....good luck to him..he will bloody need it the minute results go the other way and the "geordie nation" turn on another southerner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 15 October, 2011 Share Posted 15 October, 2011 I was sorry to see Pards go as I thought he was doing a decent job for us. Still it has worked out well for both him and us. I am sure Adkins is thankful for the set up AP left behind and has gone on to build on that. Good luck to both managers (but I hope we stuff the Toon when we play them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cestrian Saint Posted 15 October, 2011 Share Posted 15 October, 2011 Totally pointless thread. Why come on here and say you know why he was sacked and then refuse to reveal the reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 15 October, 2011 Share Posted 15 October, 2011 Totally pointless thread. Why come on here and say you know why he was sacked and then refuse to reveal the reason? Attention seeking comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 15 October, 2011 Share Posted 15 October, 2011 wow, what a shocker. What a bellend you appear to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc1971 Posted 16 October, 2011 Author Share Posted 16 October, 2011 Okay then allegedly NUFC made an approach for AP mid season but were not prepared to pay the amount of compo that NC and ML wanted. After a few weeks they new that AP was treating all staff at SFC like s*it to try to work his ticket the final straw for NC was the Swiss trip when two players (one is a left winger the other is a Striker) told NC that AP and Agent x had tried to tap them up to go to NUFC with AP (Agent x is no longer an Agent but used to represent a certain player that cost LFC 35M) . I am not prepared to say anymore exept our owners are not the footballing norm i.e bent and are seen by some as Outsiders hence the reason why some signings don`t come off. This is 100% and comes from a very very reliable contact. this is all alleged of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 16 October, 2011 Share Posted 16 October, 2011 Now that's more like it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 16 October, 2011 Share Posted 16 October, 2011 Okay then allegedly NUFC made an approach for AP mid season but were not prepared to pay the amount of compo that NC and ML wanted. After a few weeks they new that AP was treating all staff at SFC like s*it to try to work his ticket the final straw for NC was the Swiss trip when two players (one is a left winger the other is a Striker) told NC that AP and Agent x had tried to tap them up to go to NUFC with AP (Agent x is no longer an Agent but used to represent a certain player that cost LFC 35M) . I am not prepared to say anymore exept our owners are not the footballing norm i.e bent and are seen by some as Outsiders hence the reason why some signings don`t come off. This is 100% and comes from a very very reliable contact. this is all alleged of course. OK, thanks for what you have told us, SFC. There seems to be a time lag between NU tapping him up midseason, then it all goes quiet until pre-season (Swiss trip) where he starts making a pass at Striker and LM. And yet, you say he was dissing all the staff at SFC for months. I can't see why we didn't : 1. report NUFC to the Premier League for illegal approach to our manager, or 2. dismiss AP there and then (mid-season), or 3. accept AP's heart wasn't in it and agree a fair compo deal. What we seem to have done is let it drag on for months until AP was seemingly on his way to NU and was even recruiting for them. At this point we have sacked him and even given him an undisclosed severance payment (compensation for loss of office). We seem to have had a disenchanted manager who wanted out, was allowed to entice our better players to leave us, and then (maybe) paid him to go. If all that is the case (and I hope it isn't), then we seem to have lost out ..... until Adkins joined, and then the only way is up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 16 October, 2011 Share Posted 16 October, 2011 About time! Interesting theory, to be filed with the other 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 16 October, 2011 Share Posted 16 October, 2011 Okay then allegedly NUFC made an approach for AP mid season but were not prepared to pay the amount of compo that NC and ML wanted. After a few weeks they new that AP was treating all staff at SFC like s*it to try to work his ticket the final straw for NC was the Swiss trip when two players (one is a left winger the other is a Striker) told NC that AP and Agent x had tried to tap them up to go to NUFC with AP (Agent x is no longer an Agent but used to represent a certain player that cost LFC 35M) . I am not prepared to say anymore exept our owners are not the footballing norm i.e bent and are seen by some as Outsiders hence the reason why some signings don`t come off. This is 100% and comes from a very very reliable contact. this is all alleged of course. Although I think there may be some merit in the Pardew-NUFC link coming to NC's attention,and AP's heart not being in the Saints job pre and early season 2010 there is a flaw in the timing of your explanation. If "mid-season" this would be sometime 2009-10 when NUFC looked certs for promotion. Is it really suggested that they might have jeopardised that by sacking Hughton who had got them there and had player's support to bring in an unpopular 'London' type ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 16 October, 2011 Share Posted 16 October, 2011 Give a s hit meter - not a flicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 16 October, 2011 Share Posted 16 October, 2011 So what's the difference between this rumour and all the others that come from 100% credible sources? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 16 October, 2011 Share Posted 16 October, 2011 He was known as chocolate by a lot of the staff. So was Wotte. doesn't make you a bad manager. Oh.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 16 October, 2011 Share Posted 16 October, 2011 Quite. I'm not going to lose any sleep over hints and allegations which are not substantiated. Good point, after all there HAVE been hints and allegations and let's not forget the whispers in the alleyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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