sfc1971 Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Why Alan Pardew got the shove. 100% genuine from a person who is still employed by SFC, I am not going to say if this person is Staff or Player and will not say why AP was fired. However there was not a bust up during training it was not over who was bonking who`s other half nor was it over any Drinking culture. Pards had a few heated run ins with NC and despite what some may think St Markus wanted AP out of SMS before the Wembley final but did not wish to alienate the Fans. The real truth will out in due coarse. My personal opinion of Ap is now on a par with Redknapp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Hold on to yer hats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Why Alan Pardew got the shove. 100% genuine from a person who is still employed by SFC, I am not going to say if this person is Staff or Player and will not say why AP was fired. However there was not a bust up during training it was not over who was bonking who`s other half nor was it over any Drinking culture. Pards had a few heated run ins with NC and despite what some may think St Markus wanted AP out of SMS before the Wembley final but did not wish to alienate the Fans. The real truth will out in due coarse. My personal opinion of Ap is now on a par with Redknapp. Why? And it's course not coarse ffs!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Er, those of us not stupid enough to believe the generic football manager sha66ing rumour have also already been told this one. It's hardly a revelation, unless you're also one of those people that thinks Markus was just a lovely bloke rather than just a very successful businessman. Also, why would "had some run ins with the Chairman" reduce your opinion of Pardew, especially if your initial impression was that he'd been fired for humping a player's missus ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whizzpop Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Still think he did a good job for us, and is doing great things at Newcastle despite how he came to the job and now they almost look like a settled team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 I've been told three different versions by supposed great sources within the club, 2 of which blame pardew, one cortese. I'm not sure if there's anyone I'd believe, too much bias around now. I tend to think it was more 'have to sack him' merely because he'd stayed in the summer and it was very early one. Cortese seems like a long term planner so despite media reports, it was out of character and a bit odd. Not as odd as Pardew's pre-season that year though. Getting saints promoted should have been the easiest job ever with that squad and full summer to develop them. but it was very nearly fcked up completely, and in the end Nigel had a tough ask to turn it round, but thankfully did. Hold on, Pardew's last match was a 4-1 win, and much of the damage occurred from the useless performances in the matches immediately AFTER Pardew left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 (edited) n/t Edited 14 October, 2011 by This Charming Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Seconded Whizzpop..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Er, those of us not stupid enough to believe the generic football manager sha66ing rumour have also already been told this one. It's hardly a revelation, unless you're also one of those people that thinks Markus was just a lovely bloke rather than just a very successful businessman. Disappointing. Pardews reputation is tarnished if he wasnt fired for banging someones missus. Also, fwiw, if the OP reckons Markus wanted rid of him before the jpt final but kept him on for the sake of the fans, why did it take a fair few games into the next season to sack him? That bit makes no sense to me at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 At the end of the day the 2 possibly 3 grown men couldn't see eye to eye, it's happened to all of us at some point, some more than others. You will always tread on toes on the way to the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc1971 Posted 14 October, 2011 Author Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Er, those of us not stupid enough to believe the generic football manager sha66ing rumour have also already been told this one. It's hardly a revelation, unless you're also one of those people that thinks Markus was just a lovely bloke rather than just a very successful businessman. Also, why would "had some run ins with the Chairman" reduce your opinion of Pardew, especially if your initial impression was that he'd been fired for humping a player's missus ? I never said the "run ins" was anything to do with him being fired or my opinion of AP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc1971 Posted 14 October, 2011 Author Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Disappointing. Pardews reputation is tarnished if he wasnt fired for banging someones missus. Also, fwiw, if the OP reckons Markus wanted rid of him before the jpt final but kept him on for the sake of the fans, why did it take a fair few games into the next season to sack him? That bit makes no sense to me at all. UMM Because Markus passed away ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 why is it always 'manager sleeping with player's wife' etc? every club, every time. are middle aged managers really that sexy? or are fans just daft enough to believe any old rubbish? same was said of burley at derby. who is this lady married to a young footballer who has a penchant for dalliances with middle aged whisky stenched scots? He was known as chocolate by a lot of the staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Pardew wasn't that great for us. He built a good side here but considering we spent £3.5m+ we should have been in the promotion picture a bit more. People can say we had minus 10 points but Leeds finished 3rd (or 4th, can't remember) with a 15 point deduction. I honestly hoped the appointment of Pardew would work out but we were so inconsistent under him, I still have that awful memory of 60 minutes of long ball against Brighton when they beat us 3-1 at St. Mary's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 (edited) Interesting BBC piece about AP http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thefootballtacticsblog/2011/10/newcastle_profit_from_pardews.html This bit from one of APs staff kind of suggests he's not quite the c unt he is made out to be Yet Stone has been impressed with the former Reading, Charlton and West Ham boss and says his man-management is a real asset. "Tactically, he is as good as anyone," says Stone. "Some managers dither on the sidelines and that can cost you, but he will change things because he believes in his own ability and his own decisions. Managers earn their corn on match days don't they? "He's got to work with the team all week, but he speaks very well and speaks in a way that gets players on side with him. It's not a rollocking, it's asking them to do it rather than telling them to do it so everybody feels part of a group. "He treats players like adults where I've seen other managers treat players like kids and they don't respond to that at all. He has been in the game a long time as a manager so it's not like he has stepped in at Newcastle and it's all new to him. He understands the game At the end of the day AP and NC didn't get on for what ever reason it was never going to work when they had different ideas of how things should be. Personally I'm gratedful to AP for my trip to wembely and a season of football I really enjoyed after many seasons of meh, others peoples milage may vary. Edited 14 October, 2011 by doddisalegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 I'm not sure I care. Done and dusted a long time ago. Whilst we're revealing things, I can tell you that he liked expensive biscuits. That comes from a source within the Football League's interactive department. True story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 'This bit from one of APs staff kind of suggests he's not quite the c unt he is made out to be'. I'm not saying he is a C, I don't know, but one of his staff might just be a tad biassed. Might as well be "Pardew: 'I'm not a C'". Might be but then most people who say anything are biassed aren't they? everyone has to decide who/what they want to believe professional football coach/ fan on an internet forum/ guy who heard something from a mate of a mate. A whole load of info is out there the truth is probably somewhere in between....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Does it matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Why Alan Pardew got the shove. 100% genuine from a person who is still employed by SFC, I am not going to say if this person is Staff or Player and will not say why AP was fired. However there was not a bust up during training it was not over who was bonking who`s other half nor was it over any Drinking culture. Pards had a few heated run ins with NC and despite what some may think St Markus wanted AP out of SMS before the Wembley final but did not wish to alienate the Fans. The real truth will out in due coarse. My personal opinion of Ap is now on a par with Redknapp. So you've come on to say "I know why Pardew left but I'm not saying..." We don't know who you are or who your source is and probably what you know isn't the full truth anyway so why are you scared to say what you know? Throw an alleged in at the start and you've covered yourself. That is unless you don't believe it yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 so we don't know why pardew was sacked, or what killed markus..... Surely ... no, you can't mean ...... [video=youtube_share;7g9WjcGdxuM]http://youtu.be/7g9WjcGdxuM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Er, those of us not stupid enough to believe the generic football manager sha66ing rumour have also already been told this one. It's hardly a revelation, unless you're also one of those people that thinks Markus was just a lovely bloke rather than just a very successful businessman. Also, why would "had some run ins with the Chairman" reduce your opinion of Pardew, especially if your initial impression was that he'd been fired for humping a player's missus ? Exactly. Anyone with half a brain could guess AP left because he didn't get on with those at Executive level. Not too sure what this thread actually tells us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourne Valley Saint Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 I have heard that Ashley is paying of his gambling debts and it was that which prompted his move to Newcastle! Could be a load of boll**ks of course but didn't the same thing happy when Alan Ball left us for Man City? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 We are now lucky enough to have Nigel Adkins,enough said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 So you've come on to say "I know why Pardew left but I'm not saying..." We don't know who you are or who your source is and probably what you know isn't the full truth anyway so why are you scared to say what you know? Throw an alleged in at the start and you've covered yourself. That is unless you don't believe it yourself. Spot on...bloody pointless thread. I have always thought it was more than likely to do with recruitment policy and the big picture "southampton style". who cares anyway....we are top of the league with THE best young manager in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Surely ... no, you can't mean ...... [video=youtube_share;7g9WjcGdxuM]http://youtu.be/7g9WjcGdxuM play the video and then listen to the sounds of hell... Northam Stand on a Sat afternoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Exactly. Anyone with half a brain could guess AP left because he didn't get on with those at Executive level. Not too sure what this thread actually tells us? agree...i remember when there was loads of talk about markus storming out (or was it not turning up) at a home game because he was not happy at all with team etc....and he was gunning for pards.....so many refused to believe that and said it would not be in his (markus) nauture to be nasty etc..yeah, right.....anyway, pardew has gone....had a decent 1st season with us (should have got top 6 IMO) but we move on and into october 2011 top of the NPC with nigel and his brand of football... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Next, it's a sunny day go out and enjoy it ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Pards being given the boot was the best thing to happen. No disrespect to the man, he served us well while here but we have NA now and his team, who let's face it are the dog's nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Why Alan Pardew got the shove. 100% genuine from a person who is still employed by SFC, I am not going to say if this person is Staff or Player and will not say why AP was fired. However there was not a bust up during training it was not over who was bonking who`s other half nor was it over any Drinking culture. Pards had a few heated run ins with NC and despite what some may think St Markus wanted AP out of SMS before the Wembley final but did not wish to alienate the Fans. The real truth will out in due coarse. My personal opinion of Ap is now on a par with Redknapp. You said you knew why but forgot to say????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Pards being given the boot was the best thing to happen. No disrespect to the man, he served us well while here but we have NA now and his team, who let's face it are the dog's nuts. Sort of agree but have to remember it was Pardew who brought those players in. I actually wonder if we would of done so well had it been Adkins brought in to do the job Pardew had to do. Adkins is doing great. Deserves all the praise he get's. But i think a lot of it is also down to Pardew and for that also deserves praise. People seem to forget when he took over there was basically nothing in the club. No staff, no scouts, players wanting out and moving on. Even people like Davis were about to bail, as was Lallana. Pardew talked them around. He re-built the football side of the club. Sure he made mistakes but the foundations for the team were put down by Pardew. The way we play now was started back then. He was also the one who gave Alex his chance. I hate looking at it in a Pardew vs Adkins way as it shouldn't be like that. They both did very well for the club. I appreciate and respect what Pardew did. Will probably be the only time we get to Wembley in a long long time. And at the same-time i respect and appreciate what Adkins is doing. They are both two good era's to be a Saints fan. Compared to the things that happened before it i think it is nice to be able to say our last two managers actually did very well for this club rather then saying how **** they were for us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 I'm not sure I care. Done and dusted a long time ago. Whilst we're revealing things, I can tell you that he liked expensive biscuits. That comes from a source within the Football League's interactive department. True story. How expensive is an "expensive biscuit" and what make were they? This is far more interesting than the OP. IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Pards had a few heated run ins with NC and despite what some may think St Markus wanted AP out of SMS before the Wembley final but did not wish to alienate the Fans. Rubbish!!!!!!!! Everyone can remember the Fitzhugh Fella thread where he posted everything wasn't OK behind the scenes and Pardew was a dead man walking in the early summer and the responses that brought. Couldn't have been true, could it???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Who cares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 I have no idea why he was sacked but the op is correct that Marcus wanted him gone. It was Cortese who persuaded him to give him time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Still think he did a good job for us, and is doing great things at Newcastle despite how he came to the job and now they almost look like a settled team ......don't hold your breath, it's only the start of the season..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Again, who cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 ......don't hold your breath, it's only the start of the season..... Can't really argue with their results so far. That Cabaye looks different class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint J 77 Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 I'm not ITK but I have always thought the reason Alan Pardew left was because Cortese heard he might be off to Newcastle. I've heard a few Saints fans say he may have been tapped up by Ashley at Newcastle. It makes sense when you look at some of the facts. Both Ashley and Pardew were meant to be long time close friends and were also meant to of been seen out a lot together just prior to Pardew getting the boot. If this information was true, my guess would be, at some point Ashley asked Pardew the hypothetical question, if there was a job going at Newcastle would he be interested in the Job? To which Pardew probably didn't say yes but he also didn't say no. Somehow Cortese got to hear about it and when asked by Cortese if it was true, Pardew did not give a satisfactory answer and would not commit to Saints long term or Rule out a move to Newcastle if they came a calling. So Cortese had no choice but to give him the boot! I mean What manager trying to rebuild his career, like Pardew would get a 5 and a half year contract at a Premiership club, straight out the bag like that? Maybe Fergie at Man Utd might get a 5 year deal offer cause it not really a gamble. But would a fairly big premiership team like Newcastle offer such a deal to someone who was potentially a big gamble? Not even bagpus at Spurs got offered anything longer than 3years and he was doing a good job for them at the time. I can only guess Pardew's deal was the kind of offer a friend who is the boss of his own company might make another close friend. Creating a very good well paid position especially because as he was a good friend. Its just guess work and may well be wrong but I've never really bought in to the sleeping with players wives as an answer. Whatever the reason its in the past now. Adkins has turned out to be a masterstroke of an appointment and thats all I really care about now our Future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Again, who cares. I do. I might buy the same biscuits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Who cares? Quite.Raking over old coals does no good and as we're in a far better position now under Adkins, I'm not going to lose any sleep over hints and allegations which are not substantiated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Fandango Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 I'm not ITK but I have always thought the reason Alan Pardew left was because Cortese heard he might be off to Newcastle. I've heard a few Saints fans say he may have been tapped up by Ashley at Newcastle. It makes sense when you look at some of the facts. Both Ashley and Pardew were meant to be long time close friends and were also meant to of been seen out a lot together just prior to Pardew getting the boot. If this information was true, my guess would be, at some point Ashley asked Pardew the hypothetical question, if there was a job going at Newcastle would he be interested in the Job? To which Pardew probably didn't say yes but he also didn't say no. Somehow Cortese got to hear about it and when asked by Cortese if it was true, Pardew did not give a satisfactory answer and would not commit to Saints long term or Rule out a move to Newcastle if they came a calling. So Cortese had no choice but to give him the boot! I mean What manager trying to rebuild his career, like Pardew would get a 5 and a half year contract at a Premiership club, straight out the bag like that? Maybe Fergie at Man Utd might get a 5 year deal offer cause it not really a gamble. But would a fairly big premiership team like Newcastle offer such a deal to someone who was potentially a big gamble? Not even bagpus at Spurs got offered anything longer than 3years and he was doing a good job for them at the time. I can only guess Pardew's deal was the kind of offer a friend who is the boss of his own company might make another close friend. Creating a very good well paid position especially because as he was a good friend. Its just guess work and may well be wrong but I've never really bought in to the sleeping with players wives as an answer. Whatever the reason its in the past now. Adkins has turned out to be a masterstroke of an appointment and thats all I really care about now our Future. This is absolutely what happened. Pardew to Newcastle was a done deal ages before he left and Cortese got wind of it. Cortese had no choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 I do. I might buy the same biscuits. And I presume you need to know whether to buy the biscuits to make you sleep with your colleague's wife, or the biscuits to make you fall out with your boss. All makes sense now, I'm so daft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Why Alan Pardew got the shove. 100% genuine from a person who is still employed by SFC, I am not going to say if this person is Staff or Player and will not say why AP was fired. However there was not a bust up during training it was not over who was bonking who`s other half nor was it over any Drinking culture. Pards had a few heated run ins with NC and despite what some may think St Markus wanted AP out of SMS before the Wembley final but did not wish to alienate the Fans. The real truth will out in due coarse. My personal opinion of Ap is now on a par with Redknapp. Will you please come back when you do have something to say ? Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 I know why aswell. But I'm not going to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 I know why aswell. But I'm not going to say. +1. The things I could tell you!!!!! Its best to keep schtum about it tho, we dont want swf getting into litigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Exactly. Anyone with half a brain could guess AP left because he didn't get on with those at Executive level. Not too sure what this thread actually tells us? The OP does not tell us anything - I am not sure what the point of it was. FWIW I was pleased with what Pardew did for us but we have moved on and I am more than pleased with his replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Hold on, Pardew's last match was a 4-1 win, and much of the damage occurred from the useless performances in the matches immediately AFTER Pardew left. Interesting memory lapse.That win (which I thought was 4-0) was the first of the season wasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Wow sfc 1971 what a stunning revelation. Thanks for informing the forum of the reason AP left PS Im none the wiser PPS thank goodness we have a game tomorrow and we can talk football again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 It was to do with the players being worked too hard in pre season and pardew refusing to budge over his methods. Source? Aaron Martin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Pardew obviously fell out with Cortese, it's not rocket science - both have almighty egos. I wouldn't take much notice of the OP, my mate works at SMS and they generally know about the same as bloke down pub about stuff like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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