doddisalegend Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 Becuase if we get back to the PL we might need one if the big four clubs get their way. It Seems the overseas tv money is shared equally between all the PL clubs until 2013 but the big boys think they should get the bigger share (surprise,surprise) of the cash. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15269831.stm Time to start selling the Southampton brand across the far east so we don't miss out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 1. Liverpool are not a big 4 club. 2. The higher up the premiership you finish the greater the cut of the pot you get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 1. Liverpool are not a big 4 club. 2. The higher up the premiership you finish the greater the cut of the pot you get. 1) Possibly 2) Not of TV rights - that's their point 3) Southampton brand should be strong in the 'emigrant' countries...that's where we should start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 Depends on your personal values. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 For it to change from an equal share fourteen premiership chairman need to agree. I can't see that happen when teams like Wolves, Wigan, WBA etc are desperate for cash to compete. It's certainly a good idea to try and tap into the global market though, teams like Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool make hundreds of millions from merchandising, branding and tours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 His main fear is apparently that all the big money players will go elsewhere and the Premier League will no longer be "the greatest league in the world" and the big 4 will no longer be able to compete with others in Europe. Frankly that sounds bloody marvelous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyin Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 Plenty of merchant seamen from the far east pass through Southampton on their stop offs worldwide. The city's name is known via this link and could be something to build upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 I will do it. Just get the club to send me a credit card so I can jaunt from country to country out here promoting Southampton FC, I will also require an expense budget for the personnel that I will be required to meet and entertain to enable us to get maximum exposure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 This sums up everything that is wrong with modern football, "the premier league" chasing "new markets" every pre-season playing pointless friendlies around the world, i hope the other countries grow bored of it and start taking more interest in their own domestic leagues this is exactly what the 39th game was all about - building a brand in emerging markets. f*ck that, give me football on a saturday at a club followed by generations of my family i really couldn't care less if we get back in the prem, Fulham charging QPR fans £55 the other week, what a f*cked up division that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 Becuase if we get back to the PL we might need one if the big four clubs get their way. It Seems the overseas tv money is shared equally between all the PL clubs until 2013 but the big boys think they should get the bigger share (surprise,surprise) of the cash. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15269831.stm Time to start selling the Southampton brand across the far east so we don't miss out? You'd have a better chance of selling them chip butties. I mean come on, imagine Saints v Stoke in Beijing or Bangkok as a demo match... need one say more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 This sums up everything that is wrong with modern football, "the premier league" chasing "new markets" every pre-season playing pointless friendlies around the world, i hope the other countries grow bored of it and start taking more interest in their own domestic leagues this is exactly what the 39th game was all about - building a brand in emerging markets. f*ck that, give me football on a saturday at a club followed by generations of my family i really couldn't care less if we get back in the prem, Fulham charging QPR fans £55 the other week, what a f*cked up division that is. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
23rdSaint Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 This sums up everything that is wrong with modern football, "the premier league" chasing "new markets" every pre-season playing pointless friendlies around the world, i hope the other countries grow bored of it and start taking more interest in their own domestic leagues this is exactly what the 39th game was all about - building a brand in emerging markets. f*ck that, give me football on a saturday at a club followed by generations of my family i really couldn't care less if we get back in the prem, Fulham charging QPR fans £55 the other week, what a f*cked up division that is. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 (edited) Leave the top 5 to play themselves every week. Without the other 15 clubs there wouldn't be a Premier League. Rather than increasing their money, those that qualify for the Champions league should forfeit all Premier TV money to the rest of the clubs and divide it equally to level the playing field a little. Edited 12 October, 2011 by derry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 It won't happen. 14 of the clubs have to agree to it for it to happen, and that's like Turkeys voting for Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st alex Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 To answer the thread title, we don't have a far east marketing guy. In fact we don't have any marketing guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 Agree wholeheartedly with JRM. As far as I'm concerned the furthest east we need to have any marketing activity is Fareham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazing Hangover Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 Liverpool want the lot. Nearly everything is not good enough. Were they put up to this? - (Scouse rascals, you go first - imagine if Man U had suggested this) Do we really want to be part of this?? ie fantastic season is finishing 12th. I vote they bugger off to their European/World/Galactic superleague (12 league games a season plus 234 lucrative friendlies in Dubai and Malaysia) and leave the rest of football fans who support Bury, Forest, Wolves, Huddersfield, Bradford, Hereford, Burnley, Norwich, Crewe, Birmingam, Sheff U and W, Coventry and Saints etc etc (and even you know who) to watch a really good standard of football where you have a chance of winning something. Withdrawing the big 4's (or however many it is now) money will not affect us as we are financed by football fans in the main, not Indian Sky subscribers, which is all the big boys are bothered about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 Liverpool want the lot. Nearly everything is not good enough. Were they put up to this? - (Scouse rascals, you go first - imagine if Man U had suggested this) Do we really want to be part of this?? ie fantastic season is finishing 12th. I vote they bugger off to their European/World/Galactic superleague (12 league games a season plus 234 lucrative friendlies in Dubai and Malaysia) and leave the rest of football fans who support Bury, Forest, Wolves, Huddersfield, Bradford, Hereford, Burnley, Norwich, Crewe, Birmingam, Sheff U and W, Coventry and Saints etc etc (and even you know who) to watch a really good standard of football where you have a chance of winning something. Withdrawing the big 4's (or however many it is now) money will not affect us as we are financed by football fans in the main, not Indian Sky subscribers, which is all the big boys are bothered about. see, when we have the financial muscle and can just blow people away with money we offer (league 1) everyone finds it fun...when we are not top dogs..it becomes unfair..??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 They are nothing without the teams they must play every week. Let the 14 clubs outside of the big few join together and tell them to f**k off.... they'll soon fall back in. It would never work long term anyway, just look at Italy, the market for Serie A nosedived when it became uncompetitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 I only support Southampton with the vague hope that one day we'll get to play Liverpool again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 It's a slippery slope. The rights to the Italian league used to be sold on a club-by-club basis. Many teams were able to show every game live on their own channels. The result? Attendances fell, and it is not hard to see why when you factor in the financials. I'm taking my daughter to Derby on Saturday, and I accept that once everything is tallied up, I'm probably not getting much change out of a ton. A lot of people won't go to the games. Live games have got a lot going for them, but in many ways it's a totally inferior experience to watching it on the telly, especially in the DVR age. Bung in the value proposition, and attendances will drop. I can see why it makes sense for Liverpool. Save price-hikes, they can't really get any more cash out of Anfield, and they've got massive demand for their product. The waiting list for season tickets is over ten years, and they've got legions of foreign fans that'd go pay-per-view on every game. They would make a mint. Most other teams would suffer the "Sky effect" every weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazing Hangover Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 see, when we have the financial muscle and can just blow people away with money we offer (league 1) everyone finds it fun...when we are not top dogs..it becomes unfair..??? But we dont and never really will use the cash anyway (would we want to ?) And I seem to remember Walsall and Rochdale competing with us last year (as they should) If NA announced a certain C Tevez as our new signing on 200k a week would you cheer it? (very, very good player) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 http://twitter.com/#!/LiterallyJamie/status/124062055501279232 The fake Jamie Redknapp account sums it up best I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channonball Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 If I was a chairman of a team from 5th to 20th I'd make an agreement with the other chairmen that the minimum I'd demand for any game vs big 4 was £50m or some equally outrageous number. The big 4 would then be forced to join the party or none of their games would be aired abroad. You could then sell the rights for the games vs each other and the big 4 would actually be making less money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 see, when we have the financial muscle and can just blow people away with money we offer (league 1) everyone finds it fun...when we are not top dogs..it becomes unfair..??? Typical Delldaze answer, doesn't try to respond to the op just continues his quest to point out his perceived hypocrispy of his fellow Saints fans. The two things are completly different, no one is complaining about differences in spending power, its the fact a big club wants to abolish the collective bargining for TV rights so they can get more money at the expense of smaller clubs. It whether you believe that the sum of the parts is more important than the prem is as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 1) 2) Not of TV rights - that's their point The dosh is equally shared but with merit payments for whre you finish in the league, so the big clubs already get more. I expect this is the first salvo in getting bigger merit osyments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 Typical Delldaze answer, doesn't try to respond to the op just continues his quest to point out his perceived hypocrispy of his fellow Saints fans. The two things are completly different, no one is complaining about differences in spending power, its the fact a big club wants to abolish the collective bargining for TV rights so they can get more money at the expense of smaller clubs. It whether you believe that the sum of the parts is more important than the prem is as a whole. I wonder when we were in league 1 if we got the exact same TV money for our time on sky as walls all or dagengham or southend did..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 I wonder when we were in league 1 if we got the exact same TV money for our time on sky as walls all or dagengham or southend did..? Who knows what the deal was, what's your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 I wonder when we were in league 1 if we got the exact same TV money for our time on sky as walls all or dagengham or southend did..? IIRC the money is split equally except for the number of times the team actually appear live on sky which is extra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 The dosh is equally shared but with merit payments for whre you finish in the league, so the big clubs already get more. I expect this is the first salvo in getting bigger merit osyments. It's not equally shared in comparison to how it's dished out, yes one of the payments is where you finish in the league but the other is from tv rights, each team must have a minimum amount of games on tv but there is no maximum so the bigger clubs get more airtime hence the bigger proportion of the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 It's not equally shared in comparison to how it's dished out, yes one of the payments is where you finish in the league but the other is from tv rights, each team must have a minimum amount of games on tv but there is no maximum so the bigger clubs get more airtime hence the bigger proportion of the money. So it was not fair and we probably got a bigger cut.. Righty-ho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 So it was not fair and we probably got a bigger cut.. Righty-ho I was referring to the premiership and I don't think you can compare the monies involved between the premiership and the football league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Saint 2 Posted 13 October, 2011 Share Posted 13 October, 2011 Can't find a link to this now, but Man Utd and Chelsea both came out pretty strongly against this idea yesterday. This is dead in the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 13 October, 2011 Share Posted 13 October, 2011 I agree that the other 14 clubs will never agree to a change in format althought they may be persuaded if perhaps the relegation issues were taken away. This will utlimately leave the big 4/5 the only other option than to leave the premier league and start a european super league or may be a world league including top team from asia, americas etc. I think that format is inevitable at some stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breeny Posted 13 October, 2011 Share Posted 13 October, 2011 The bottom line is the future big money will be made in Asia. That is where a third of the worlds population live. That is where the future growth will be.Just see some of the premier league teams sponsors and owners. Sadly the Premier League in now a global brand of football an its big business. Take a walk around Southampton and then do the same in Bangkok,Singapore, Jakarta etc. Saints will always be based in Southampton ( we hope ) but will be promoted globally when we reach the Premiership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 13 October, 2011 Share Posted 13 October, 2011 The bottom line is the future big money will be made in Asia. That is where a third of the worlds population live. That is where the future growth will be.Just see some of the premier league teams sponsors and owners. Sadly the Premier League in now a global brand of football an its big business. Take a walk around Southampton and then do the same in Bangkok,Singapore, Jakarta etc. Saints will always be based in Southampton ( we hope ) but will be promoted globally when we reach the Premiership. so because the chinese / indians etc have breed like rabbits over the last 50 years we now all need to pander to their "demand" for our game. i can see a lot more Man Utd fans being attracted to FC United and away from the global commercialisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 13 October, 2011 Share Posted 13 October, 2011 So it was not fair and we probably got a bigger cut.. Righty-ho So what? If that is the case, I don't particularly consider that "fair". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 13 October, 2011 Share Posted 13 October, 2011 It's not equally shared in comparison to how it's dished out, yes one of the payments is where you finish in the league but the other is from tv rights, each team must have a minimum amount of games on tv but there is no maximum so the bigger clubs get more airtime hence the bigger proportion of the money. Well it seems that the balance of fairness is already in favour of the 'big club'. It aint broke Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 October, 2011 Share Posted 13 October, 2011 It would be interesting to know how many people are dead against this and dead against prem games being played over seas are going to wembley to watch the NFL games and make that the blueprint for success...?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 13 October, 2011 Share Posted 13 October, 2011 Collective bargaining and the 39th game are two different things and the 39th game is wrong on every level. So what if people what to retain the integrity of their own domestic sport whilst indulging in the entertainment of another countries sport that has already jumped the shark. Why don't you just talk about the subject directly instead of always trying to uncover hypocrisy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 October, 2011 Share Posted 14 October, 2011 Because on 5live they were saying that the new American owners in the prem look how bloody successful the NFL wembley game is... We make it successful. If wembley was empty they would not be so sure they could replicate that so quickly in football That is not me looking for some sort of hypocrisy. That was officials of Liverpool talking to 5live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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