Could Rickie play for England?

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

Entirely a hypothetical musing but watching Mackail-Smith do a decent enough job for the Scots tonight made me wonder whether Rickie could ever step up to international football level? Not by any stretch of the imagination saying he should be picked ahead of Rooney, Bent, Sturridge, Defoe or whoever but just a simple thought: could he cut it for England if there was a striker shortage and he was picked? I definitely believe he'll outscore Mackail-Smith in the Championship this year but could he do a job for an international side as CMS is clearly doing?

[ChrisPY]

Someone posted a comment from Stoke fans about him that was something along the lines of 'Kevin Davies but with a decent touch'... How many caps has Davies got?

[John Boy Saint]

Well there is a space in the team for a scouse striker until after the first game of the euros.

[Hedgehog]

Not whilst he plays for us, look at Oxo, once he went to Arse, is now on the fringe of full England team. Premiership or nothing as far as England are concerned!

[Mattio]

I reckon he could hold his own but there are probably about 10-20 better/ more high-profile (not the same thing I know) forwards than Rickie

[John Boy Saint]

Not whilst he plays for us, look at Oxo, once he went to Arse, is now on the fringe of full England team. Premiership or nothing as far as England are concerned!

If England are as woeful at the Euros as they were in the World Cup (did I hear right that one excuse was they were bored?!!!?) When they return every man jack of them should be dropped and the next manager made to select Championship players only.

[SuperMikey]

Would be great to see him in an England shirt, but it will never happen. There are dozens of strikers that have a better chance of getting into the England team than him unfortunately.

[Saintandy666]

I doubt it will happen, but I guess he could do a Kevin Davies. We'd have to get promoted though and he'd have to have an impressive season or two.

[John Boy Saint]

Here's a thought: Rickie gets picked and then someone whispers in his ear " play in the prem and we will invite you again", January comes and he's on his bike to Newcastle quick as you like.

[Appy]

If Carlton Cole and Jay Bothroyd have been capped by England then Rickie can for sure.

[westofshannonsaint]

it'll never happen... I know for a FACT (after a few pints of Guinness) that young Richard is Very proud of the Irish heritage passed onto him by his great grand mother's dog & he is just waiting for the call.

[LatvianTolix]

And what about Lallana??

[Pilchards]

And what about Lallana??

 

Brazil

[RinNY]

No.

[Saint Garrett]

Could Rickie play for England......NO.

[whelk]

let's not get carried away chaps

[Fan The Flames]

Someone posted a comment from Stoke fans about him that was something along the lines of 'Kevin Davies but with a decent touch'... How many caps has Davies got?

 

Well thats a complement but if they are trying to imply he is just a strong big center forward that gets through the game being a nuisance to defenders, well they would be wrong he had far more to his game. Who the **** are stoke.

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

I guess the question I should've posed was could Rickie play international football because the thing about playing for Ireland or anyone else can ring true. If Rickie had a gran who was Northern Irish, say, then would he be effective for them at international level. Iain Dowie was and to my mind Rickie is at least his equal.

[notnowcato]

Rickie could definitely cut it at international level, not sure I'd like to see him mixed up with the excuse of a national side we currently have.

[alpine_saint]

I dont think he'd let the England team or fans down; at least everyone knows he would give 100% in a Stevie Bull-kind-of-way..

 

He might make the grade, international football is a different kettle of fish, and lets face it, the PL prima donnas arent exactly cutting it.

 

Probably would have a more successful international career if he digs into his ancestry and qualifies for NI, Wales, Eire or Scotland though..

[Minty]

I guess the question I should've posed was could Rickie play international football because the thing about playing for Ireland or anyone else can ring true. If Rickie had a gran who was Northern Irish' date=' say, then would he be effective for them at international level. Iain Dowie was and to my mind Rickie is at least his equal.[/quote']

Mickey Evans scenario...!?

[Colinjb]

I guess the question I should've posed was could Rickie play international football because the thing about playing for Ireland or anyone else can ring true. If Rickie had a gran who was Northern Irish' date=' say, then would he be effective for them at international level. Iain Dowie was and to my mind Rickie is at least his equal.[/quote']

 

Well, if Tony Cascarino can pull it off...

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

Mickey Evans scenario...!?

 

Pretty much. Do you recall Ireland and Wales fighting over him to represent them and he eventually chose the Irish? You've made my mind up; if Mickey Evans played international football, Rickie Lambert certainly can!!

[supersonic]

If England are as woeful at the Euros as they were in the World Cup (did I hear right that one excuse was they were bored?!!!?) When they return every man jack of them should be dropped and the next manager made to select Championship players only.

 

We'll be in the premier league by then anyway

[Bakovnetski]

Same debate was had about Beattie in his pomp in the Prem. Played 1/2 a game and tanked.

[keithd]

Steve Bull. Not the large uber fan from days of Prem, but Mr Wolves Steve Bull. He wasnt too disimilar in style our Rick, played many a time for England in the late 80's early 90's, did a good job too. But that was then this is now, and the answer is no dont think he'd be any good at all. Just not quick enough.

[Secret Site Agent]

If England are as woeful at the Euros as they were in the World Cup (did I hear right that one excuse was they were bored?!!!?) When they return every man jack of them should be dropped and the next manager made to select Championship players only.

 

OH, NO. Here i go on my Soap Box. I agree with the above Whole Heartedly. They would play their ******** off and would probably succeed where Rooney, Lampart et al would fail. I would prefer to see a team full of youngsters, and/or Championship players, who play their hearts out, full of pride for playing for the National team, rather than the bunch of over paid, over hyped prima donnas we have now. They can't be ar sed to play for the National team, drop them. They'll soon appear in the Sun and the Mirror winging about not being picked.

 

The team for all upcoming international games will include Rooney, Gerrard, Terry, Fedinand, Lennon etc for the only reason that they are always picked and it seems to be a contract requirement of the England manager to pick them, rather than those players that show Pride, Heart, Character and Drive to succeed on the international stage, who see it as an honour to wear the England badge, rather than their right. And if they don't sing the national anthem, stick them on the bench until they hear the word ringing in their ears, and the occasion thumbing in their hearts, and for Rooney, get him the words on tape and in a 'Dot to Dot' book so he knows them as well.

I am mightily sick with the bunch of no mark tossers on a million pounds a week who squander the chance of doing something for the fans who pay their wages, either by attending the games, or suscribing to Sky. That buch of ar ses that lost in the Rugby against France on Saturday at least looked like they were suicidal and they were pained by loosing, and big Martin Johnson looked like he was going to cry. A big nancy you may think, but at least it shows some emotion. I don't think the Football team even care if they win or not. Who here thinks that Rooney got sent off for fustrution during the game, or was it because his old man got caught out in the betting sting?

And another thing. How about if they extended the punishment for a Red card to two games for their club as well as on the international stage? Punich the club as well for them embarassing their country on live national television, and in front of thousands of fans, and being a bad role model to thousands of kids up and down the country.

You've started me off now.

Edited 12 October, 2011 by Secret Site Agent

[disintegration87]

On a slightly separate note it does pain me to see Oxo's name being thrown around as if he's our next big hope. As much as I like him I doubt he would even be in our starting 11 had he have stayed it seems that he's only connected to England because of the hype surrounding him and his Arsenal move.

 

But Yeh Rickie should play for England. Put him on the bench as a penalty specialist to be brought on 2 minutes before our shoot out with Czech in the quarters.

[jayrivers]

Am I the only person who thinks Kelvin Davis is in with the best chance of getting a call up?

 

Look at the last set of keepers:

Joe Hart

Scott Carson

David Stockdale

 

Get an injry or two? Or is that really just a pipe dream?

 

I thought when we were in league 1, if he had gone to West Ham what might have happened.

[keithd]

Am I the only person who thinks Kelvin Davis is in with the best chance of getting a call up?

 

Look at the last set of keepers:

Joe Hart

Scott Carson

David Stockdale

 

Get an injry or two? Or is that really just a pipe dream?

 

I thought when we were in league 1, if he had gone to West Ham what might have happened.

 

that is a genuine lol ... not that i have anything against "our kelv" but he just isnt international standard, not by a long long way

[Colinjb]

Am I the only person who thinks Kelvin Davis is in with the best chance of getting a call up?

 

Look at the last set of keepers:

Joe Hart

Scott Carson

David Stockdale

 

Get an injry or two? Or is that really just a pipe dream?

 

I thought when we were in league 1, if he had gone to West Ham what might have happened.

 

When we were singing 'Kelvin for England' back in November 2007, you know we were joking, right!?

[bpsaint]

Well thats a complement but if they are trying to imply he is just a strong big center forward that gets through the game being a nuisance to defenders, well they would be wrong he had far more to his game. Who the **** are stoke.

 

The comment was actually like Kevin Davies but good, I reposted it on another thread.

[Charlie Wayman]

Here's a thought: Rickie gets picked and then someone whispers in his ear " play in the prem and we will invite you again", January comes and he's on his bike to Newcastle quick as you like.

 

...and a completely daft one if you don't mind me saying so. Ricky is discovering himself as Saints progress, he seems not to have great self belief and Adders has given him that. Remember not so long ago he was awed at the prospect of playing in the NPC and worried that e might not be good enough.

 

If you still don't yet realise how important it is for these still very immature young lads to have a huge reassuring arm around their shoulders then you are not watching football in the right way at all. The feel good factor of a father figure they trust in is huge, break that bond at their peril (Lewis Hamilton... need one say more?) and people like Ricky are intelligent enough to know it. He's moved on from Pards and let's be honest somebody at SMS knows exactly what makes Rick tick!

[sambosa75]

Rickie could play for England. I wouldn't say there is much chance of it but I don't think he would let anyone down either.

[jayrivers]

that is a genuine lol ... not that i have anything against "our kelv" but he just isnt international standard, not by a long long way

 

I'm not saying he will. There aren't that many English Keepers in the prem, and if he had gone to West Ham...

[St_Tel49]

Rickie could play for England. I wouldn't say there is much chance of it but I don't think he would let anyone down either.

This

[Saints67]

If we get promoted and RL scores for fun in the prem, then signs for a top 4 club, he will get a call up. We have to get there first. Its as simple as that.

slight editing of your post

[Ken Tone]

OH, NO. Here i go on my Soap Box. I agree with the above Whole Heartedly. They would play their ******** off and would probably succeed where Rooney, Lampart et al would fail. I would prefer to see a team full of youngsters, and/or Championship players, who play their hearts out, full of pride for playing for the National team, rather than the bunch of over paid, over hyped prima donnas we have now. They can't be ar sed to play for the National team, drop them. They'll soon appear in the Sun and the Mirror winging about not being picked.

 

The team for all upcoming international games will include Rooney, Gerrard, Terry, Fedinand, Lennon etc for the only reason that they are always picked and it seems to be a contract requirement of the England manager to pick them, rather than those players that show Pride, Heart, Character and Drive to succeed on the international stage, who see it as an honour to wear the England badge, rather than their right. And if they don't sing the national anthem, stick them on the bench until they hear the word ringing in their ears, and the occasion thumbing in their hearts, and for Rooney, get him the words on tape and in a 'Dot to Dot' book so he knows them as well.

I am mightily sick with the bunch of no mark tossers on a million pounds a week who squander the chance of doing something for the fans who pay their wages, either by attending the games, or suscribing to Sky. That buch of ar ses that lost in the Rugby against France on Saturday at least looked like they were suicidal and they were pained by loosing, and big Martin Johnson looked like he was going to cry. A big nancy you may think, but at least it shows some emotion. I don't think the Football team even care if they win or not. Who here thinks that Rooney got sent off for fustrution during the game, or was it because his old man got caught out in the betting sting?

And another thing. How about if they extended the punishment for a Red card to two games for their club as well as on the international stage? Punich the club as well for them embarassing their country on live national television, and in front of thousands of fans, and being a bad role model to thousands of kids up and down the country.

You've started me off now.

 

Why don't you stop pussy-footing around and tell us what you really think?

[dune]

If he ever proves himself in the top flight then yes.

[Macey_J2]

He could. Jay Bothroyd got a run out in a friendly whilst playing at cardiff last season!! He could definately play for some international team, there's some aweful international teams out there. Playing for ireland isn't beyond the realms of possibility if he continues his form this season.

[Saint Mikey]

He's eligible, but I'd say rightly or wrongly, he has the following in front of him:

 

Rooney

Bent

Carroll

Defoe

Wellbeck

Zamora

Sturridge

Crouch

Heskey

Owen

C. Cole

Bothroyd

K. Davies

 

Plus younger players from the U21's like:

 

Wickham

Waghorn

Sordell

Rodriguez

 

Plus players played out of position, like:

 

Gerrard

Young

Cleverley

Walcott

AOC

 

If all or most of these get injured, he may get a sniff.

 

Also, if he was eligible for another Association, they would have tapped him up already. Esp, if it was N.I. or Wales.

[Minty]

Also, if he was eligible for another Association, they would have tapped him up already. Esp, if it was N.I. or Wales.

Well, my example of Mickey Evans above illustrates nicely that actually, no, other FA's don't always know players' eligibility.

 

With a couple of other fans, I interviewed Evans back in 1997 for the Internet Saints Supporters Club, which was comprised of Saintslist subscribers. It was in that interview that we discovered his Irish grandparent, and only as a result of that were the Irish FA alerted, who checked it out and then called him up for his cap!

[Saint Mikey]

Well, my example of Mickey Evans above illustrates nicely that actually, no, other FA's don't always know players' eligibility.

 

With a couple of other fans, I interviewed Evans back in 1997 for the Internet Saints Supporters Club, which was comprised of Saintslist subscribers. It was in that interview that we discovered his Irish grandparent, and only as a result of that were the Irish FA alerted, who checked it out and then called him up for his cap!

 

Things have changed an awful lot in football since 1997. N.I. for example have been fighting for players since a load of youngsters decided to opt for EIRE and do have players from predominantly the C'ship and some League 1.

They may have enquired about his eligibility, but he may not have been eligible or willing to play. Wales are similar.

[david in sweden]

Well, if Tony Cascarino can pull it off...

 

 

In reality...he has no chance, but it's different nowadays with the other home countries.

 

Any League player who has an Irish grandmother, and can whistle Danny Boy can get a game for N.I ..and these days players are more likely to choose to play for the Republic than they are Northrn Ireland.

 

As usual the N.I. side has 2 or 3 good class players and the rest are there by birthright.. and not footballing expertise.

[pressingon]

Am I the only person who thinks Kelvin Davis is in with the best chance of getting a call up?

 

Yes I think you are flying solo on this one

[scott_saints]

Deary me.

[dubsaint]

Don.t know about Rickie for England, but trapatoni should be looking at Connelly for Ireland

[Stud mark of doom]

Well, if it comes to a penalty shoot out.....

[Saint Stimp]

Well, if it comes to a penalty shoot out.....

 

One of the best peno takers I've ever seen. If he had a face off with Le God I honestly wouldn't like to put money on either way.

[westofshannonsaint]

Don.t know about Rickie for England, but trapatoni should be looking at Connelly for Ireland

 

Connolly (according to wiki) was in Trapa's first squad, but was injured at the time. I'd have mixed feelings about DC getting another call up - I'd be delighted for him & he we could do with him for the playoffs, but I'd be very concerned about him picking up a knock.