Are we afraid of success...?

[dune]

AGREED. I can't see us anywhere near filling a 50,000 stadium, without a catchment area like Tyneside or Liverpool, but when we were in Prem at SMS nearly all home games were up around 30K, and maybe there would have been more, IF...

 

Of course we could attract 50k if we were turned into a national brand and attracted glory supporters. A few years ago you saw Blackburn shirts (not many granted) accross the country. If Blackburn had carried on as they did when they were the biggest spenders they'd have compounded this. However i'm sure i'd be that comfortable with being thought of as a glory supporter by those who didn't know I was a real Saints fan.

[hamster]

How much did we pay for and to Keegan, Shilts etc?

[Capel Saint]

I'm not afraid of success as if you look at clubs like Swansea and Norwich, they seem to have a mindset that they will give it their best shot whilst in the Prem and if its not good enough and they are relegated, then they haven't pushed the clubs financially by paying millions and millions to improve their squads. Instead they would have seen how far away they are competing against the top teams in British football.

 

I enjoy the Championship as it is far more open, unlike the Premiership where it is becoming rather stale as the clubs with the financial might dominate proceedings. This of course could alter slightly when FIFA bring in the rules where clubs have to live within their means but as Man Utd have a colossal marketing revenue (approx £175m a year) these rules would not really affect their spending power.

 

If Saints did get promoted then I could see a similar scenario to Norwich and Swansea. Adkins and most of the existing squad would give it a go but I can't see the Liebherr Family letting Adkins spend £15-20m in one season. They would no doubt add to the squad but it wouldn't be wholsesale changes as Adkins likes to bring on his players rather than buy and sell lots of players.

 

Of course the other question should Saints get promoted is, will the Liebherr Family want to continue owning the club once Markus's dream has been fulfilled? I know this is going slightly off the OP's original question but I guess it would be in Saints fans minds, should promotion happen.

[View From The Top]

Cortese has said that if we get into the prem, are playing champs league football, and have a 50k stadium he'd pay 100k a week wages. This to me sounds like the plan or why would he say it?

 

And you equate that with spending £40m in January?

[View From The Top]

It was based on the (surprise to me) info. in a survey that stated Marcus Liebherrs estate was worth £3 BILLION.

 

If we were that close to ensuring promotion,then money would surely be spent in the "window" and then in the summer break.

...although in all honesty I don't think we'd ever spend that sort of money, on transfers but our salary bill would certainly be much larger than it is now. It's not just about buying expensive players - you have to pay them, too!

 

Totally and utterly deluded if you think we'd spend anywhere need £40m on transfers and wages in Jan'.

[charliemiller]

I think a few of the recent sound bites from NC suggest that investment will come as we progress , with his background he will have already factored in the staged investment requirements as the team get promoted from each League.

 

10-15 Million would be required to strengten potentially but I think he willl stick to his blueprint for the type of players being brought in young and growing in potential.

 

He has already spoken about stadium expansion and I dont think its by accident that the river frontage potential is being floated around.

 

So not afraid ....because its a progression which is being controlled and planned !

[Pugwash]

David, good question. Unlike a few paranoids on here I understand the point you're making, even if it could've been put over a little better.

 

Afraid? No, but a little apprehensive. The club is going in the right direction and the 5-year plan would see the improvements in the academy complete, with a crop of youngsters starting to come through the ranks. My concern would be that we go up this season before the 'production line' is properly up and running, then we have to fill the gap with bought-in players that could disrupt the squad ethos.

[Charlie Wayman]

Having read the thoughtful and well-written item from colinjb on the opening side, with the warning call... ..don't get promoted too soon.. I really felt constrained to ask myself. WHO... is better-prepared than SFC for promotion this season ?

 

Some other clubs presently " in contention " for a promotion spot aren't the most stable concerns off the field.

 

Few can doubt that if we are still at the top came January that the Liebherr family wouldn't give the nod to an extra 40-50 million out of their coffee money to give us the edge in the transfer market and seal promotion in obedience to Marcus Liebherr's dying wish to see " his club " get to the top flight, and a recent survey suggested than SFC are " potentially"... because of Marcus' legacy ...in the top 5 richest clubs in the country.

 

Certainly everything we read only goes to underline that we have the best Academy in the country, the best training facilities and staff. A competent Chairman and a manager who sounds enthusastic enough to win the Champions League next week ! ..so where's the problem?

 

Surely the coaching staff and players have the right mindset for promotion, but still we read gloom and doom from some of the fan-base on this site almost every week...what's wrong with OUR mindset ?

 

..... ARE WE MORE AFRAID OF SUCCESS THAN WE ARE OF FAILURE ?

 

Probably not the right question to ask. I've always believed that NC's objective of reaching the PL is merely an instrument of his policy to parcel up Saints and flog them off at the highest price he an extract. Thus, he doesn't need to worry about us surviving in the PL for too long and probably has no intention of spending serious money as he must believe we can make the step up with what we've got.

 

Once there, what will Saints be worth free of debt, new stadium and PL status? Think about it, not many clubs in that category these days in either top flight or NPL.

[dune]

And you equate that with spending £40m in January?

 

No. It's lunacy to think we would spend big in the CCC.

[S-Clarke]

I guess we'll get the same sort of threads if we get promoted again ''We need 50m to replace the entire team'' just as we needed to do this summer, apparently.

 

Have faith in what we have here - it's more than good enough, and with one or 2 tweaks is more than good enough to compete with the dross such as Blackburn and Wigan for e.g.

 

Steady progress is the name of the game, I don't think we'll ever go out and spend 40/50m in a single transfer window.

[aintforever]

you may not like it, but on of the aims of an academy IS to make money

 

The aim of the academy is to make good players to make a good team. It bugs me that some fans still think like Rupert Lowe.

 

Cortese himself said he was gutted when we sold Chambo, so was I. It annoyed me reading the mongs on here celebrating getting the money.

[Leslie Charteris]

The most important thing is the team are not at all afraid of success and, by the sound of things, failure is not an option worth considering. I am also pretty sure NA and NC have a shrewd idea of just how much the club will have to spend to continue the upward path and Nigel is making plans (NC making plans for Nigel, perhaps?).

[Gemmel]

My take is that however we go up and when it will be different this time around. We are good going forward, combative in midfield but still creaky at the back. However we are not clinical enough - in the league above you have to take your chances, and we miss too many. OK we create a lot, but against better teams we won't create that much - take Man U (reserves) in the Cup last season.

We will do better than many expect, but the problem for me isn't the team and spirit - it's about the pressure to bring in world class players for big money, and how Nigel deals with that. He has brought a kind of harmony to the whole club. Can you imagine the pressure from the fans and press to sign a big name? Big names means big money - and is that what Saints are all about?

I would rather have a team giving 100% every week with honesty than have 5 Tevez's in the side on MEGA bucks and spitting dummies out, and be happy to sit on the bench and take their money.

The problem for me is the fanbase in general expects big names - I only want a big name if he wants to play for us and be part of the team, and get on the bus.

We are without doubt playing exciting and entertaining football - all I want from my team and to be fair in any League. The prize is The Premiership, but in all honesty our fanbase just want success. I can imagine going up and getting tonked a couple of times - watch the moaning minnies appear again.

Life is too short to get too hung up on if and buts - just enjoy the ride of this season and se where we end up. The Premiership can wait - not sure Nicola can!

 

Fantastic post

[Dalek2003]

Not sure about fear of failure or success, but over the last year and a half we have found ourselves in a comfort zone of expecting to win more games then we lose. If we go up to the Premiership that would become a thing of the past. Even a good season would probably at most bring 7th-8th place.... and that's if we REALLY sorted ourselves out at that level. A season like that would also bring just as many loses as wins, for many people would the 'fun' factor be gone? Would the relative 'success' not have the same positive effect as the highs of a promotion season?

 

Success would be stayng in the premiership, even if that meant finishing 4th from bottom every year ! Just like the good old days !

[Dalek2003]

One thing is for sure, we will need about £50million to replace the entire team. Preferably before the and of May.

[Gemmel]

One thing is for sure, we will need about £50million to replace the entire team. Preferably before the and of May.

 

Dont be soft you troll. I cringe when i read your posts and remember you actually teach kids

[RobM]

To answer the OP's question, I don't feel scared but I certainly don't feel ready. I think we need to do as we did in League 1, which is to build a squad of players capable of competing in the league above. We've got those players now and they are competing in the league they were bought for. We need to repeat that now and aim for the Prem, by bringing in players capable of playing in that league while we're in this one.

 

However, once bought it takes time to be a true part of the togetherness we have now, longer than half a season IMO. So if we spent out this Jan, I'm not confident that it would prepare us well enough for the Prem next season and we would lose one of the key parts of our current success.

[70's Mike]

define success?

when i was growing up all the grown ups used to say the Saints Board did not want promotion, but we did it 67.

from that point on the club went on a 40 year long joy hire

at 57 i am up for another 40 years taking on the big boys, turning them over every now and then

[derry]

If we are lucky enough to win promotion we should continue to strengthen from the Football League not attempt wholesale changes with overpaid foreign mercenaries. Reward the present team by not discarding them, giving them a conditional Premiership incremental salary, and in the event of failure be in a great financial position with a stable team able to challenge for promotion again all the better for the experience. Better still don't be relegated and continue to strengthen sensibly

Edited 8 October, 2011 by derry

[Dalek2003]

Dont be soft you troll. I cringe when i read your posts and remember you actually teach kids

 

Oh dear, please read the threads all the way through and something might occur to you !

[Lets B Avenue]

Success would be stayng in the premiership, even if that meant finishing 4th from bottom every year ! Just like the good old days !

 

Do you mean....... finish 17th? Surely not?

[SarniaSaint]

If we are lucky enough to win promotion we should continue to strengthen from the Football League not attempt wholesale changes with overpaid foreign mercenaries. Reward the present team by not discarding them, giving them a conditional Premiership incremental salary, and in the event of failure be in a great financial position with a stable team able to challenge for promotion again all the better for the experience. Better still don't be relegated and continue to strengthen sensibly

 

Good post - agree entirely.

This seems to be the Norwich/Swansea approach this season.

Edited 8 October, 2011 by SarniaSaint
Can't spell!!!

[St_Tel49]

20 - 40 mill equates financial disaster in the event of immiediate relegation, and potentially a valid reason for the Liebherr family to walk away from all this football club owning malarkey!

You clearly know the Liebherr's very well - would you care to assign a level of probability of them doing this?

[Dalek2003]

Do you mean....... finish 17th? Surely not?

 

In the Premiership, survival would be success !

 

Can't work out what you are talking about !

[qwertySFC]

Having read the thoughtful and well-written item from colinjb on the opening side, with the warning call... ..don't get promoted too soon.. I really felt constrained to ask myself. WHO... is better-prepared than SFC for promotion this season ?

 

Some other clubs presently " in contention " for a promotion spot aren't the most stable concerns off the field.

 

Few can doubt that if we are still at the top came January that the Liebherr family wouldn't give the nod to an extra 40-50 million out of their coffee money to give us the edge in the transfer market and seal promotion in obedience to Marcus Liebherr's dying wish to see " his club " get to the top flight, and a recent survey suggested than SFC are " potentially"... because of Marcus' legacy ...in the top 5 richest clubs in the country.

 

Certainly everything we read only goes to underline that we have the best Academy in the country, the best training facilities and staff. A competent Chairman and a manager who sounds enthusastic enough to win the Champions League next week ! ..so where's the problem?

 

Surely the coaching staff and players have the right mindset for promotion, but still we read gloom and doom from some of the fan-base on this site almost every week...what's wrong with OUR mindset ?

 

..... ARE WE MORE AFRAID OF SUCCESS THAN WE ARE OF FAILURE ?

 

 

Just a few points - Who in there right mind would suggest that ML dying wish was this ?

 

We don't have the best academy in the country or the best training facilities or staff ( Decent but not the best)

 

Fan base - SWF is hardly a majority of fan's - a couple of dozen people who write on an internet forum is not indicative of feelings about the club.

 

One thing about mindsets is to remove the fantasy and deal with some reality - I think we should be more afraid of statements that make us look stupid

[Thedelldays]

The aim of the academy is to make good players to make a good team. It bugs me that some fans still think like Rupert Lowe.

 

Cortese himself said he was gutted when we sold Chambo, so was I. It annoyed me reading the mongs on here celebrating getting the money.

 

No one is celebrating getting money for a top player. But we will sell players from the academy.

[CB Fry]

Just a few points - Who in there right mind would suggest that ML dying wish was this ?

 

We don't have the best academy in the country or the best training facilities or staff ( Decent but not the best)

 

Fan base - SWF is hardly a majority of fan's - a couple of dozen people who write on an internet forum is not indicative of feelings about the club.

 

One thing about mindsets is to remove the fantasy and deal with some reality - I think we should be more afraid of statements that make us look stupid

 

 

Quite. Never has an opening post been so completely overegged. But heaven forbid anyone questions any of it - "few can doubt we'll be spending £40-50 million in January", "we have the best academy in the country", "it was Leibherr's dying wish", "doom and gloom from some of the fan-base", "what's wrong with our mindset", as if contributors on this forum are stopping the team winning, the classic attack from the simpleton happy-clapper, especially as, we are, umm..winning quite a lot. Despite the "mindset" of errr, people on a forum dragging us all down.

 

And picking apart this drivel is apparently "trolling" according to some.

Edited 10 October, 2011 by CB Fry

[Turkish]

Quite. Never has an opening post been so completely overegged. But heaven forbid anyone questions any of it - "few can doubt we'll be spending £40-50 million in January", "we have the best academy in the country", "it was Leibherr's dying wish", "doom and gloom from some of the fan-base", "what's wrong with our mindset", as if contributors on this forum are stopping the team winning, the classic attack from the simpleton happy-clapper, especially as, we are, umm..winning quite a lot. Despite the "mindset" of errr, people on a forum dragging us all down.

 

And picking apart this drivel is apparently "trolling" according to some.

 

This was a particular classic. "Few can doubt", although the OP is obviously one of those few as his plucked from the sky figure was quickly revised to less than half when challenged.

[david in sweden]

And you equate that with spending £40m in January?

 

the expression I used was ..give the nod for 40 mill. to give us the edge in the prromotion ...etc,

 

There is no way in this world that we would spend 40 mill. on transfers in January ....and I didn't write that.

But it stands to reason that a team on the back to back promotion will need monunetal strenhthening, and possibly increasing the capacity of SMS... is more than a summer holiday building project, but as a Prem. club he sees it as a possibility. His words -not mine! I only read in to the statement and did a quick calculation.

A couple of new " class " players ...8-10 mill? (we were rumoured to have bid 5-6 mill for Jay Rod)

Possibly increased salaries for all the first team squad based on promotion clauses in their contracts would bump up the wage bill a bit..and what about some more summer signings ....and that extension of SMS..?

 

Nicola Cortese is the one who have commented on a 50 K stadium ..and 100K week / wages....and fairly obviously that means BIG money. If he can say that ...do you think he is so far out of touch with the wishes of the Liebherr's that they haven't discussed it? I think that most of us move in the circle of small scale finance, but people with a great deal of wealth

might not consider 40 mill. to be a large sum of money, when compared to investment costs, long term progress etc.

 

The management seem to be very confident of building long-term success....some of our fans think Cortese /Liebherrs are out for a "quick killing" ...wrong mindset somewhere. Marcus seems to have had his dream-wishes set in stone and it's his money in the pot..Cortese is the man designated to fulfill that dream.

[david in sweden]

This was a particular classic. "Few can doubt", although the OP is obviously one of those few as his plucked from the sky figure was quickly revised to less than half when challenged.

 

I don't know how you read my OP Turkish, but I didn't suggest that we'd spend 40 million in January !

(my reason for "reducing" the original Pie in the sky figure was to placate one or two early posts from people who clearly didn't expect us to spend anything in a pre-promotion push). Promotion will require us to spend money in other ways too,

 

If we are still as comfortably placed then (as we are now) then we would be hot favourites to get a promotion spot and it would be silly not to invest in new players to complement the present squad as there are still some key players who would be difficult to replace in an major injury situation.

 

If we were willing to sign Sharp for ..(£4mill..? ) before we sold Alex OC.. and then got £12 mill. in selling him, it proves there is already a substantial budget available (if needed). I have already answered one or two others in explaining possible other promotion-related costs - if you care to read back a bit, but it was Cortese himself who admitted that he was considering an extension plan for SMS and that would be a considerable cost- but highly desireable for Prem. side.

and ceratinly something that would require BIG BUCKS in order to complete.

Edited 10 October, 2011 by david in sweden

[Turkish]

I don't know how you read my OP Turkish, but I didn't suggest that we'd spend 40 million in January !

(my reason for "reducing" the original Pie in the sky figure was to placate one or two early posts from people who clearly didn't expect us to spend anything in a pre-promotion push). Promotion will require us to spend money in other ways too,

 

If we are still as comfortably placed then (as we are now) then we would be hot favourites to get a promotion spot and it would be silly not to invest in new players to complement the present squad as there are still some key players who would be difficult to replace in an major injury situation.

 

If we were willing to sign Sharp for ..(£4mill..? ) before we sold Alex OC.. and then got £12 mill. in selling him, it proves there is already a substantial budget available (if needed). I have already answered one or two others in explaining possible other promotion-related costs - if you care to read back a bit, but it was Cortese himself who admitted that he was considering an extension plan for SMS and that would be a considerable cost- but highly desireable for Prem. side.

and ceratinly something that would require BIG BUCKS in order to complete.

 

"Few can doubt that if we are still at the top came January that the Liebherr family wouldn't give the nod to an extra 40-50 million out of their coffee money to give us the edge in the transfer market and seal promotion in obedience to Marcus Liebherr's dying wish"

 

Looks you're saying that if we are top in January then few could doubt the Liebherrs would let us spend £40-50m then. Does it not?

[channonball]

If we don't go up, good chance we'll lose Lallana, so I think we need to get up ASAP.

[david in sweden]

I guess we'll get the same sort of threads if we get promoted again ''We need 50m to replace the entire team'' just as we needed to do this summer, apparently.

 

Have faith in what we have here - it's more than good enough, and with one or 2 tweaks is more than good enough to compete with the dross such as Blackburn and Wigan for e.g.

 

Thats a sensible observation. Admitedly, a lot of our 27 years in the Prem / Div.1 were spent in the lower half, but there were always at least 3 teams worse than we were. As I look at the Prem. table evry season there are still a number of sides who regulary escape only because they are 4th WORST in the league. I think we'd do OK, providing we got a few quality additions to the squad before next August.

[qwertySFC]

Quite. Never has an opening post been so completely overegged. But heaven forbid anyone questions any of it - "few can doubt we'll be spending £40-50 million in January", "we have the best academy in the country", "it was Leibherr's dying wish", "doom and gloom from some of the fan-base", "what's wrong with our mindset", as if contributors on this forum are stopping the team winning, the classic attack from the simpleton happy-clapper, especially as, we are, umm..winning quite a lot. Despite the "mindset" of errr, people on a forum dragging us all down.

 

And picking apart this drivel is apparently "trolling" according to some.

 

Indeed - surely the idea about a forum is to discuss opinions - some people may agree or disagree with mine but hey ho _ its a pass time. Just out of pure interest and I can't be that arsed to look - How much did Norwich spend in the jan window prior to promotion ?

[david in sweden]

"Few can doubt that if we are still at the top came January that the Liebherr family wouldn't give the nod to an extra 40-50 million out of their coffee money to give us the edge in the transfer market and seal promotion in obedience to Marcus Liebherr's dying wish"

 

Looks you're saying that if we are top in January then few could doubt the Liebherrs would let us spend £40-50m then. Does it not?

 

Not IN January...but the approval of larger spending would be necessary. Promotion would also mean BIG signings in the summer, not to mention the vastly increased salary bill we might anticipate. Do the maths...Paying an " ordinary " Prem. player, say only 20K a week means minimum £1 million a year. Most of out present first teamers are on 3 year contracts and sure to have some promotion "wage deals " baked in to their contacts ..thats a tidy sum to start with.

 

Cortese is the only one seriously alluding to a 50K stadium (!) and that would need long term planning, and not a paltry 40 mill, either. With promotion in their sights, he surely would need an OK for longer term planning.

[Turkish]

Not IN January...but the approval of larger spending would be necessary. Promotion would also mean BIG signings in the summer, not to mention the vastly increased salary bill we might anticipate. Do the maths...Paying an " ordinary " Prem. player, say only 20K a week means minimum £1 million a year. Most of out present first teamers are on 3 year contracts and sure to have some promotion "wage deals " baked in to their contacts ..thats a tidy sum to start with.

 

Cortese is the only one seriously alluding to a 50K stadium (!) and that would need long term planning, and not a paltry 40 mill, either. With promotion in their sights, he surely would need an OK for longer term planning.

 

So if we are top of the league in January and we get the nod to spend £40-£50m to secure promotion to obey Marcus's dying wish as per your comment, when are you suggesting we spend it?

 

Surely your reasoning on the above post is once promotion is secured, not to secure it.

[david in sweden]

Not IN January...but the approval of larger spending would be necessary. Promotion would also mean BIG signings in the summer, not to mention the vastly increased salary bill we might anticipate. Do the maths...Paying an " ordinary " Prem. player, say only 20K a week means minimum £1 million a year. Most of out present first teamers are on 3 year contracts and sure to have some promotion "wage deals " baked in to their contacts ..thats a tidy sum to start with.

 

Cortese is the only one seriously alluding to a 50K stadium (!) and that would need long term planning, and not a paltry 40 mill, either. With promotion in their sights, he surely would need an OK for longer term planning.

 

The quote about " dying wish " may seem abit flambouyant, but even assuming that Marcus didn't know if he had any serious health problems, his decision to approve a 5 year plan for developing the club would clearly seem to have been his wish / desire.

Especially, as we have not been told that in his final moments he said.. and by the way, forget that stupid deal with the football club !

 

He was a man of honour who saved our club at the most critical time. It's hard to even think that he only did it for fun !

[qwertySFC]

Not IN January...but the approval of larger spending would be necessary. Promotion would also mean BIG signings in the summer, not to mention the vastly increased salary bill we might anticipate. Do the maths...Paying an " ordinary " Prem. player, say only 20K a week means minimum £1 million a year. Most of out present first teamers are on 3 year contracts and sure to have some promotion "wage deals " baked in to their contacts ..thats a tidy sum to start with.

 

Cortese is the only one seriously alluding to a 50K stadium (!) and that would need long term planning, and not a paltry 40 mill, either. With promotion in their sights, he surely would need an OK for longer term planning.

 

Maybe we could a decent psychic and ask Markus if we can spend his cash then - otherwise we will be debating this for weeks

[david in sweden]

[/b]

 

Maybe we could a decent psychic and ask Markus if we can spend his cash then - otherwise we will be debating this for weeks

 

This thread got side tracked when people started commenting my comment on MONEY !

the real question remains unanswered by most contributors.

People who are worried what will happen when we get promotion.

 

ARE YOU MORE AFRAID OF SUCCESS THAN OF FAILURE ?

[Lets B Avenue]

No.

 

HTH.

[hypochondriac]

This thread got side tracked when people started commenting my comment on MONEY !

the real question remains unanswered by most contributors.

People who are worried what will happen when we get promotion.

 

ARE YOU MORE AFRAID OF SUCCESS THAN OF FAILURE ?

 

I suspect that many are worried about being able to afford it, but as for the success part, why would we be?

[qwertySFC]

This thread got side tracked when people started commenting my comment on MONEY !

the real question remains unanswered by most contributors.

People who are worried what will happen when we get promotion.

 

ARE YOU MORE AFRAID OF SUCCESS THAN OF FAILURE ?

 

Ok well what is the worse can happen - we get relegated - embarrassed by achieving the lowest amount of points in the PL - We get relegated and Pompy get promoted - we only spend a fiver in the transfer window - NC gets a better offer and does a runner - Al signs for Spurs and Bournemouth fans take the pi** out of our demise and Rupert Returns to take over ... Am I worried about failure no.. It is a part of life and we deal with it -

 

The thread got side tracked when you suggested it was ML dying wish and that we have the best facilities/ manager in the country and we (could) get the nod to spend £40m in January . Have you contacted the club to pass on your concerns and worries because I am sure they may not of thought about a scenario of getting promoted - relegated - and not having Champions league football in 2013.

[Charlie Wayman]

 

Have faith in what we have here - it's more than good enough, and with one or 2 tweaks is more than good enough to compete with the dross such as Blackburn and Wigan for e.g.

 

 

 

Not a good comparison as along with Swansea they'll be relegated to the NPC at season's end

[CB Fry]

Indeed - surely the idea about a forum is to discuss opinions - some people may agree or disagree with mine but hey ho _ its a pass time. Just out of pure interest and I can't be that arsed to look - How much did Norwich spend in the jan window prior to promotion ?

 

Something in the region of £65m I believe.

[CB Fry]

This thread got side tracked when people started commenting my comment on MONEY !

the real question remains unanswered by most contributors.

People who are worried what will happen when we get promotion.

 

ARE YOU MORE AFRAID OF SUCCESS THAN OF FAILURE ?

 

 

People are getting sidetracked by a fairly dopey comment you made, and then hilariously tried to pretend you didn't make, forgetting that the nature of web forums is what you have written kind of like stays written.

 

As for this question you keep asking - sorry, it is not the perceptive, piercing, insightful question you think it is.

 

It's just gibberish.

 

The answer, for everyone, everywhere, is NO.

 

There, it's been answered.

[hypochondriac]

The quote about " dying wish " may seem abit flambouyant, but even assuming that Marcus didn't know if he had any serious health problems, his decision to approve a 5 year plan for developing the club would clearly seem to have been his wish / desire.

Especially, as we have not been told that in his final moments he said.. and by the way, forget that stupid deal with the football club !

 

He was a man of honour who saved our club at the most critical time. It's hard to even think that he only did it for fun !

 

He did it because 12.5 million was absolutely fantastic business. He may have grown to love the club subsequently, but this was clearly the initial attraction. He has already made that back on the sale of Chamberlain.

[david in sweden]

People are getting sidetracked by a fairly dopey comment you made, and then hilariously tried to pretend you didn't make, forgetting that the nature of web forums is what you have written kind of like stays written.

 

As for this question you keep asking - sorry, it is not the perceptive, piercing, insightful question you think it is.

 

It's just gibberish. The answer, for everyone, everywhere, is NO. There, it's been answered.

 

What started as a serious thought took on a too light-hearted tone, but that's really my sense of humour.

 

However, you and I seem to agree that we are not afraid of success, but quite a few who replied seem to be rather unsure !

 

Cortese, Adkins & Co. apparantly seem to be very confident of our eventual success - wouldn't you say ?

[david in sweden]

... Am I worried about failure no.. It is a part of life and we deal with it -

 

Have you contacted the club to pass on your concerns and worries because I am sure they may not of thought about a scenario of getting promoted - relegated - and not having Champions league football in 2013.

 

I'm not the least concerned or worried about this, nor do I think SFC are either. They only seem bent on promotion ASAP.

 

As a fan of 50 years standing ...I think the last 2 years have been amongst the most interesting and exciting I can recall,

all things considered.

[david in sweden]

 

he did it because 12.5 million was absolutely fantastic business. ......Yes it was !

 

he may have grown to love the club subsequently, but this was clearly the initial attraction.

....Initial attraction ?........We won a cup the first year and .... I think he was still a fan when he passed on ?

 

He has already made that back on the sale of Chamberlain.

.... I know what you mean but Marcus wasn't around to count Arsenal's money ! Edited 10 October, 2011 by david in sweden

[CB Fry]

What started as a serious thought took on a too light-hearted tone, but that's really my sense of humour.

 

However, you and I seem to agree that we are not afraid of success, but quite a few who replied seem to be rather unsure !

 

Cortese, Adkins & Co. apparantly seem to be very confident of our eventual success - wouldn't you say ?

 

 

Unsure is not afraid, and it certainly isn't "more afraid of success than failure". This thread has turned up no one at all who is more afraid of success than failure.

 

And all the "unsures" are talking about money and future financial implications, which you insist isn't what you meant the thread to be about. So they don't count either.

 

Cortese is very confident, yes, Adkins is here to get promoted, yes. I have no problem with this whatsoever. What's your point here?

 

Lastly, as for your sense of humour, your first post was quite hilarious, so well done.