GazzerMaBoy Posted 1 October, 2011 Share Posted 1 October, 2011 Great game today..... Just having an epic argument with my Arsenal supporting mate. Simple hypothetical question..... As a Saints fan right now, what would you prefer..... Win the FA Cup...? or 4th placed finish in the Premiership...? I won't post my opinion yet, just interested to hear what Saints fans think about this quandary. Over to you..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 1 October, 2011 Share Posted 1 October, 2011 4th place in Premiership. easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 1 October, 2011 Share Posted 1 October, 2011 Erm, I think this would be better posted on an Arsenal forum as this just looks a wee bit arrogant at the moment. I'd take the cup though, we'd just get hammered in Europe and some silverware would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 1 October, 2011 Share Posted 1 October, 2011 4th in the Premier league, that really would take us to a level we have never been to, and the financial rewards would be fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofarnorth Posted 1 October, 2011 Share Posted 1 October, 2011 Still have to get past tough opposition to qualify with a 4th placed finish in prem, so cup for me everytime and a place in the Europa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChudSaint Posted 1 October, 2011 Share Posted 1 October, 2011 FA cup for me everytime but I'm an old fashioned traditionalist... Idea of Saints master plan worries me slightly how I'd cope if we ever made it to the champions league and became just like those clubs I've come to despise..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzerMaBoy Posted 1 October, 2011 Author Share Posted 1 October, 2011 Erm, I think this would be better posted on an Arsenal forum as this just looks a wee bit arrogant at the moment. I'd take the cup though, we'd just get hammered in Europe and some silverware would be nice. Nothing to do with arrogance and/or how we're doing at present. Simply a "hypothetical" question based on an argument I'm having with my Arsenal supporting mate. Just interested to know which, as a Saints fan, would provide you with greater satisfaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 1 October, 2011 Share Posted 1 October, 2011 Cup every time. I prefer to win things, not come 4th. Thats why last season was ultimately a slight disappointment (bit not too much). No-one remembers who came 4th or even 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebastian firefly Posted 1 October, 2011 Share Posted 1 October, 2011 when you question the merrits of 4th as oppossed to winning you sum up all that is wrong with modern football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 1 October, 2011 Share Posted 1 October, 2011 Cup and 5th in premiership, because that means we got promoted somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 1 October, 2011 Share Posted 1 October, 2011 Cup for me. It's all about winning things and when you look back at the honours list and trophy room, you wont have anything to show for 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's There Posted 1 October, 2011 Share Posted 1 October, 2011 Cup every time. I prefer to win things, not come 4th. Thats why last season was ultimately a slight disappointment (bit not too much). No-one remembers who came 4th or even 3rd. No doubt- CUP every time- It's all about WINNING, not aim for 4th and £££- Most who were alive can name the FAC team of '76 and the positive effect on the club and the whole area. We were 4th around Christmas during Strachan's era, but I can not name all the team that played around then, and that was only 7/8 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 1 October, 2011 Share Posted 1 October, 2011 4th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Posted 1 October, 2011 Share Posted 1 October, 2011 Maybe it's time they gave the 4th Champions League spot to the FA Cup winners. It would certainly restore some of the enthusiasm to the cup... and make some of the bigger teams take it more seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints Fan Dan Posted 1 October, 2011 Share Posted 1 October, 2011 Cup. I want to see my team win proper silverware. The JPT was very nice but it's not a 'proper' trophy and that's what football is about. Nobody gets a medal for finishing in 4th place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 1 October, 2011 Share Posted 1 October, 2011 4th place, Champions League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 1 October, 2011 Share Posted 1 October, 2011 - 4th place and a Champions League spot would set the club up in terms of reputation to attract players and the money needed to buy them in the future in order to win FA Cups and further high league finishes. - A FA Cup win on its own doesn't, see Pompey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 1 October, 2011 Share Posted 1 October, 2011 Win a cup every day of the week. I have no interest in Saints being in the champion's league. Which is handy because we probably won't ever be. A cup final is a day out, a trophy, a lifetime's memory, something in the record no one can ever take away, something that creates lifetime club legends, for those of us that don't view great players as "nothing but employees" of course. I bet Everton fans would have loved to have won a cup instead of their aborted knocked-out-in-qualifying champion's league campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 1 October, 2011 Share Posted 1 October, 2011 Cup for me. Simple fact is, no one is going to remember a fourth placed finish in ten years time. The only reason someone would say fourth is because of what could happen subsequent to that but there are no guarantees. A cup is an actual win and would be remembered for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 1 October, 2011 Share Posted 1 October, 2011 - 4th place and a Champions League spot would set the club up in terms of reputation to attract players and the money needed to buy them in the future in order to win FA Cups and further high league finishes. - A FA Cup win on its own doesn't, see Pompey. That is all hypotheticals after securing fourth place. A fourth place on its own is no guarantee of success. FA cup win is success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyin Posted 1 October, 2011 Share Posted 1 October, 2011 The FA Cup in the season it is rightfully decided that the winner should enter the CL instead of 4th place finish in the PL. Nothing like a day at Wembley with Saints in attendance - not that I've ever witnessed it first hand mind you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 1 October, 2011 Share Posted 1 October, 2011 FA Cup success and a Europa league place, 4th place in the league at the moment only gets you a champions league preliminary round and Saints would be unseeded too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 2 October, 2011 Share Posted 2 October, 2011 Always preferred FA cup to cl although 4th would allow messi to see just how sh!te he is compared to Lallana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzerMaBoy Posted 3 October, 2011 Author Share Posted 3 October, 2011 Thanks for your responses everyone. Good to see a mixture of views. From my perspective, the two quotes below pretty much sum up my thoughts..... Cup for me. Simple fact is, no one is going to remember a fourth placed finish in ten years time. The only reason someone would say fourth is because of what could happen subsequent to that but there are no guarantees. A cup is an actual win and would be remembered for years. when you question the merrits of 4th as oppossed to winning you sum up all that is wrong with modern football Yes, the benefits of finishing 4th in the Premiership are obvious but I don't ever remember seeing a 4th-placed trophy. Yes, there is prestige with the CL but once you're knocked out no-one cares you were in the competition. Win a cup and your name is on there FOREVER. All my Arsenal supporting mate cares about is the Champions League. I have to admit, his passion for taking (by his own admission) "the money", over a trophy did shake my faith in being a football fan and I felt quite sad for him. When did football fans start cheering their team on for money as opposed to silverware...??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 3 October, 2011 Share Posted 3 October, 2011 (edited) Despite the money attached to the 4th place, IMHO it's not equivalent to winning the FA Cup. In isolation, qualifying for Europe is a decent result and I used to be proud of Saints many finishes in a UEFA Cup place in the early 80's, but they were a consolation for not actually winning something. Even the Runners Up spot in 1984 didn't carry that much kudos at the time. Really proud, but the only benefit was a UEFA Cup spot. Edited 3 October, 2011 by um pahars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 October, 2011 Share Posted 3 October, 2011 cup for me. The game is all about trophies in the end and we could do with one or two more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 3 October, 2011 Share Posted 3 October, 2011 Erm, I think this would be better posted on an Arsenal forum as this just looks a wee bit arrogant at the moment. I'd take the cup though, we'd just get hammered in Europe and some silverware would be nice. Yes. Arse can only dream of either at the moment. Meawhile OMAAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Saint Posted 3 October, 2011 Share Posted 3 October, 2011 Maybe it's time they gave the 4th Champions League spot to the FA Cup winners. It would certainly restore some of the enthusiasm to the cup... and make some of the bigger teams take it more seriously. I agree great idea it would make the FA Cup far more interesting it has lost it's shine in recent years we won won it it was THE cup to win cup final day was special & it would be great if it could be again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 3 October, 2011 Share Posted 3 October, 2011 I'd be happy with 4th place in the Championship. Not sure how we'd do in the play-offs though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 3 October, 2011 Share Posted 3 October, 2011 Cup without a doubt ...loved every miniute of the JPT (alright it's not a 'proper cup' but it's the only thing saints have won that I remember being a 1 year old in 76) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 3 October, 2011 Share Posted 3 October, 2011 4th would always be preferred by clubs as it hugely increases revenue but to fans it has to be the FA Cup. In ten years time do you think Spudz fans will be talking about how they played in the CL in 2010/11 but if they had won the Cup it would be talked about for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 3 October, 2011 Share Posted 3 October, 2011 - 4th place and a Champions League spot would set the club up in terms of reputation to attract players and the money needed to buy them in the future in order to win FA Cups and further high league finishes. - A FA Cup win on its own doesn't, see Pompey. Everton finished 4th in 04/05. I must of missed all their success since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 3 October, 2011 Share Posted 3 October, 2011 4th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Saint Posted 3 October, 2011 Share Posted 3 October, 2011 4th easy, Attract better players in while playing in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 3 October, 2011 Share Posted 3 October, 2011 4th easy, Attract better players in while playing in Europe. Playing in the Champions League might attract better players, BUT, does it automatically translate in to a better team, what about wages for the 2nd & 3rd years of their contracts if we don't finish 4th+ again??? I'm not sure I agree with the idea that one 4th placed finish sets us up for the big time. #chasingthedream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 3 October, 2011 Share Posted 3 October, 2011 4th easy, Attract more foreign money grabbing mercenaries in Europe. Edit to reflect reaility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian the Red Posted 3 October, 2011 Share Posted 3 October, 2011 FA Cup and Europa place. Then 4th place in the prem the following season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 3 October, 2011 Share Posted 3 October, 2011 Has to be the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Uwe Posted 3 October, 2011 Share Posted 3 October, 2011 I would have said the Cup to start with, but if we ever manage to finish 4th and qualify for the Champions League then it would be brilliant. I couldn't really give a stuff about the money - what would please me most was the fact that we could have the opportunity to play against some of the best teams in Europe. Saints v Barca at St Marys in a competitive match? Yes please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peacey Posted 3 October, 2011 Share Posted 3 October, 2011 we will have both...in time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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