Onfield incidents at Cardiiff...

[The9]

...can anyone shed any light on them ?

 

Firstly, what happened with Adkins and the dropped ball ? Did he come onto the pitch and return the ball to play before the ball had actually gone out ? The ref went to talk to him and then play restarted with a contested drop ball, that's all I can work out that it could have been for.

 

Secondly - the penalty claim - I can't remember anything about it - was it a handball shout, and was it immediately before their goal ? Is it the incident where Fonte (and Cork) can be seen arguing with the ref in the pics in the OS Gallery ? I know we had one daft handball shout when the ball hit their player who was sitting down in the box on his back late on, but it wasn't for that, was it ?

[um pahars]

...can anyone shed any light on them ?

 

Firstly, what happened with Adkins and the dropped ball ? Did he come onto the pitch and return the ball to play before the ball had actually gone out ? The ref went to talk to him and then play restarted with a contested drop ball, that's all I can work out that it could have been for.

 

Secondly - the penalty claim - I can't remember anything about it - was it a handball shout, and was it immediately before their goal ? Is it the incident where Fonte (and Cork) can be seen arguing with the ref in the pics in the OS Gallery ? I know we had one daft handball shout when the ball hit their player who was sitting down in the box on his back late on, but it wasn't for that, was it ?

 

R5L said the first was as you have called it, in that Adkins was on the pitch when he collected the ball to be returned. probably fortunate not to be banished to the stands, but ref used common sense.

[Golden Balls]

Adkins touched the ball before it went out

 

There was a handball before both of their goals. The first was blasted at his hand to be fair, the second was unbelieveable! The defender touched it past one of our players with his hand on purpose. They then went up the other end and scored.

[The Kraken]

...can anyone shed any light on them ?

 

Firstly, what happened with Adkins and the dropped ball ? Did he come onto the pitch and return the ball to play before the ball had actually gone out ? The ref went to talk to him and then play restarted with a contested drop ball, that's all I can work out that it could have been for.

 

Secondly - the penalty claim - I can't remember anything about it - was it a handball shout, and was it immediately before their goal ? Is it the incident where Fonte (and Cork) can be seen arguing with the ref in the pics in the OS Gallery ? I know we had one daft handball shout when the ball hit their player who was sitting down in the box on his back late on, but it wasn't for that, was it ?

 

The first one, we were chasing the game, Cardiff cleared their lines and it was going out for a throw in right by the technical areas. There were no players near, NA was trying to keep things moving so kicked the ball to Richardson I think to take a quick throw, but he misjudged it and the ball hadn't quite crossed the line. Ref blew for it, consulted the linesman then came over for a chat, Malky Mackay joined in and told the ref to be sensible (which was a very nice touch as Mackay had been sent off in a previous game for doing the exact same thing). NA retreated to the dugout for a minute or two before coming back to the technical area.

 

As for the penalty claim, I didn't get a very good look at it, sorry!

[Golden Balls]

...can anyone shed any light on them ?

 

Firstly, what happened with Adkins and the dropped ball ? Did he come onto the pitch and return the ball to play before the ball had actually gone out ? The ref went to talk to him and then play restarted with a contested drop ball, that's all I can work out that it could have been for.

 

Secondly - the penalty claim - I can't remember anything about it - was it a handball shout, and was it immediately before their goal ? Is it the incident where Fonte (and Cork) can be seen arguing with the ref in the pics in the OS Gallery ? I know we had one daft handball shout when the ball hit their player who was sitting down in the box on his back late on, but it wasn't for that, was it ?

 

Also, the pic showing Fonte and Cork arguing with the ref was regarding a foul by Fonte in the first half...

[um pahars]

Adkins touched the ball before it went out

 

There was a handball before both of their goals. The first was blasted at his hand to be fair, the second was unbelieveable! The defender touched it past one of our players with his hand on purpose. They then went up the other end and scored.

 

Without getting too technical, I don't think whether Adkins touched the ball or not is relevant, as soon as he stepped on the pitch that was enough for the ref to stop play.

[Golden Balls]

Without getting too technical, I don't think whether Adkins touched the ball or not is relevant, as soon as he stepped on the pitch that was enough for the ref to stop play.

 

If he had just stepped on the pitch with the ball over the other side, the game wouldn't have been stopped imo. He touched the ball about half a yard inside play which resulted in a drop ball. In this case, that's what happened.

[um pahars]

If he had just stepped on the pitch with the ball over the other side, the game wouldn't have been stopped imo. He touched the ball about half a yard inside play which resulted in a drop ball. In this case, that's what happened.

 

In the Laws of the Game it's enough for "team official" just to enter the field of play for the ref to stop the game. They don't have to touch the ball. Although as you say I'm sure some discretion can/should be used.

[Sour Mash]

R5L said the first was as you have called it, in that Adkins was on the pitch when he collected the ball to be returned. probably fortunate not to be banished to the stands, but ref used common sense.

He should have been sent to the stands to be honest. And the hand ball shout definitely looked a pen to me.

[The9]

Cheers for clearing up the first one.

 

I just can't remember the handball - was it in the box just before their first goal ? I recall Cork going to the ref, and he got booked after the goal too. So I'm just trying to piece together if that was what he was appealing against.

[um pahars]

He should have been sent to the stands to be honest.

 

The ref has some discretion on that I think. I think he would have to have been irresponsible or reckless or something like that. A bit of over exuberance wouldn't qualify for either of those I think.

 

R5L said Malky McKay helped the situation as well, so fair play to him, I can think of others who would have inflamed it!!!!

[The9]

It did look like Mackay was telling the ref to be sensible.

[The Kraken]

It did look like Mackay was telling the ref to be sensible.

 

That's exactly what he said; from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

[The9]

I have to say I've been quite impressed by the use of "common sense" by officials so far this season. Though |I'm sure that's because Saints have benefitted on each occasion I can think of.

 

1) Adkins not being sent off for encroaching onto the playing surface and touching the ball in play (though I suspect it may have been different had he tackled a Cardiff player!)

2) Fonte not being asked to leave the pitch for wearing white undershorts beneath his voluminous blue shorts which reached his knees specifically to disguise his undershorts being the wrong colour on Saturday - though as the OS pics showed, they were sometimes visible.

3) Saints not being prevented from making a sub at Barnsley when Connolly (#22) had Dickson's shorts on with #23 on them and the board held up also had #23 on them, which was not the number on Connolly's back. I've also not heard of Saints being fined for this, though the actual punishment would involve Connolly being yellow carded, and possibly even leaving the field to replace his shorts with the substitution being prevented until he was correctly attired - though that would be a hell of a Jobsworth enforcing that one...

 

Wasn't best impressed with the ref telling a Cardiff player with a blood injury to leave the field only for him to fall to the floor and then have to get treated on the pitch - but at least the ref added the time on - which he also did for their injury-time substitution and our goal celebration.

[SFKA South Woodford]

The first shout was a definite pen, the Cardiff player hurled himself at the ball in an attempt to block Corks shot, his hand was well above head height when the ball struck it and was moving towards the ball, he was also far enough away from Cork that you couldn't give him the benefit of the doubt for 'Ball to Hand'

 

If I remember rightly the second wasn't given as the ref had already blown either for a foul on their keeper or offside.

[The Cat]

I just can't remember the handball - was it in the box just before their first goal ? I recall Cork going to the ref, and he got booked after the goal too. So I'm just trying to piece together if that was what he was appealing against.

 

Yes it was, Cork banged in a shot from the edge of the box and their defender pulled off a great save. I missed the subsequent punt upfield as I was going mental at the ref. Next thing I see is Morgan miserably failing to deal with the long ball and Millar scoring.

 

I do wonder why we leave Morgan back at set pieces. He's hardly quick and not that great at defending. Would surely make sense to leave Richardson back.

[Benali Saint]

Cheers for clearing up the first one.

 

I just can't remember the handball - was it in the box just before their first goal ? I recall Cork going to the ref, and he got booked after the goal too. So I'm just trying to piece together if that was what he was appealing against.

 

It was a handball. I had a clear view and it should have been a pen

[benjii]

Cheers for clearing up the first one.

 

I just can't remember the handball - was it in the box just before their first goal ? I recall Cork going to the ref, and he got booked after the goal too. So I'm just trying to piece together if that was what he was appealing against.

 

Cork hit a volley when a cross fell to him (maybe from a corner?). It hit the defender, squirmed through to the keeper who booted up the pitch and they scored. We were appealing for handball.

 

I personally thought there was a foul in the build-up to their second goal too.