What's more important ? The furture of SFC or its past ?

[Cestrian Saint]

"The truck, it just stopped man, it just stopped"

 

Axel Foley.

 

Beverly Hills Cop.

[Steeleye Saint]

I confidently predict that in a few years from now, NC will be held in much higher esteem than anyone previously involved with the club.

[Dalek2003]

As for ex players and managers, isn't there a saying; 'when the curtain comes down it is best to get off the stage'

[um pahars]

As for ex players and managers, isn't there a saying; 'when the curtain comes down it is best to get off the stage'

 

I quite agree.

 

Never did fancy Hoddle The Sequel.

[up and away]

All this from someone saying..

 

"yes matt has criticised me in the past but no one is bigger than the club"

 

Christ...just an over reaction???

 

If this is all that was in it, that does sound innocuous? But all parties have to realise that the press will always be trying to wrangle these angles from all involved, so all have to be careful.

 

Originally Posted by Roger

It doesn't depend on what reasons, the manager should make the football decisions. Imagine fergie bringing an old player back and the chairman saying no?

 

Of course the reasons are dependent, something Adkins alludes to and accepts. Every manager would like every chance to give him the result on the pitch, but when you are investing such huge amounts in the Academy there has to be balance in these decisions. As we have seen it's virtually impossible for us to go out and buy a Lallana, even though we could afford the fee. Saints have a transfer committee that look at players, with Adkins having a big say. So it's not totally impossible this could happen, but I would expect if Adkins insisted, it would happen. Not only do I not have a problem with this, it has a sound base.

[CB Fry]

I confidently predict that in a few years from now, NC will be held in much higher esteem than anyone previously involved with the club.

 

 

You're looking forward to a time when the all time Southampton Football Club legend is a chief executive?

 

You absolute spanner.

[1976_Child]

the past. in the future we have only Dune's fascist Brown Shirts exterminating anyone less fortunate than him. Bring on the past, I say.

[dune]

the past. in the future we have only Dune's fascist Brown Shirts exterminating anyone less fortunate than him. Bring on the past, I say.

 

Ouch.

[sadoldgit]

It's is great that we are doing so well but there are issues like why did we apparently land do many of our transfer targets, what really happened with Pardew etc that l'd be interested iin hearing about. Top or bottom of the league it doesn't make anyone imune from answering questions or critisisms. By the way, a huge well done should go to the manager for our ggreat start to the season.i

[Frank's cousin]

It's is great that we are doing so well but there are issues like why did we apparently land do many of our transfer targets, what really happened with Pardew etc that l'd be interested iin hearing about. Top or bottom of the league it doesn't make anyone imune from answering questions or critisisms. By the way, a huge well done should go to the manager for our ggreat start to the season.i

 

Thing is SOG, is it really necessary? I mean really to question everything when the approach is working? No one chairman will ever please all the people all the time, thats a given as we all have different attitudes, opinions and thresholds towards the decisions and appraoches taken. So I dont expect to agree with everything NC does. However, as I dont expect to agree with everything he does, rather than form an opinion of him based on the small trivial things I happen to disagree with (which seems to be the approach taken by some), I base my judgement on teh IMPACT of thsoe decsions on what really matters to fans of a club, both the quality and enteratinment the team provide and the results that go with it. I think I lost count of the number of times when trying to defend some the logic in Lowes decisons, I was beaten down (By many now ironically against NC) with the simple response that its 'a results based business' - which is of course true... afterall there may have been a good rationale and logic to playing the kids and the failed dutch duo, but as it did not work Lowe was blamed.... but I digress, but I hope the point comes across.

 

...which is there are some professional moaners on this forum, that for some reason have a problem with ANY authority at the club, unless its some fan friendly sychophant. They are characterised by changing their opinion in complete shameless contradiction/turnaround depending on what sits their latest whinge... eg, Lowe did nothing right because we got relegated twice - its results that matter.... now its NC is a 'cock' because the club is so much more than results...blah blah blah betwetting nonsense which either illustrates these posters are around 13 or have are just nobends with some sort of agenda.

 

I have never met NC, I have no idea whetehr he is a likeable bloke or not, but if judging on the very criteria those now critical of NC used to judge Lowe (results on the pitch) then he is doing a top job - to me that says the approach is working and if that means he has ****ed a few folk off with certain decisions to enforce that direction, so be it.

 

Re. the comment on why we failed to land some transfers - this is always a contentious issue. On the one hand, taking a strong position and refusing to bow to agents and tehir scandoulous demands, having a stricht budgetary policy is superb and applauded. I am sure NC was 'difficult' to deal with as he will have negotiated hard and refused to paly the 'agent fee' game beyond what was fair and reasonable. On the otherhand as 'mad dog' Allen found out, this can mean you struggle to sign players as agents look elsewhere for more lucrative options... we will be in a far better position in January if we are top 3 or 4 as we will more attractive to players at that time, than we were pre season as a new promoted side... so we will see, but I am sure NC will be 'pragmatic' when its in our best interests to be so.

[hypochondriac]

It's is great that we are doing so well but there are issues like why did we apparently land do many of our transfer targets, what really happened with Pardew etc that l'd be interested iin hearing about. Top or bottom of the league it doesn't make anyone imune from answering questions or critisisms. By the way, a huge well done should go to the manager for our ggreat start to the season.i

 

Good post SOG. I agree.

[um pahars]

because the club is so much more than results

 

But, for many, football is about much more than just results (and I have always said as much). Football Clubs up and down the country are an integral part of many towns and cities and are the cornerstone of the fabric for some communities and their existence and the role they play is much deeper than just winning matches.

 

If it was only about winning (or being promoted) then 80 or so teams each year would be deemed as abject failures. Of course results on the pitch are paramount, but it doesn't have to be at the expense of what else a football club is all about. I see no reason that wherever possible they shouldn't be complimentary.

 

Winning at all costs in the modern game has led to players being paid six figure sums a week and then refusing to play, I would suggest that perhaps everything isn't au fait with the game. At its extreme, if you were only too happy just to be judged on results then the way Portsmuff acted in recent years would be held up as the panacea that results justify the means, after all during their heyday they won the FA Cup and were riding high in the top flight. During their dark days that followed, I'm hoping a few of their fans realised that perhaps results aren't the most important things in football.

 

For me, football is deeper than merely winning on a Saturday, although of course that is the ultimate aim every time we field a side, but my passion for the Club does not diminish if we lose (or are even relegated)

 

I think things are fantastic at the moment, from a team who seem to be playing with great spirit, to a manager who seems to have a spring in his step, to a Chairman who is driven and passionate, through to the legacy of an owner who stepped in when things were at their lowest.

 

For all of that I am truly grateful, but it wouldn't be football if I didn't question whether Harding should play ahead of Fox, wonder whether Jos is up for it, pray that we beat Portsmuff in a couple of months time, question whether we sold season tickets in the right way and also ask whether it is right for the Chairman to rignite a messy feud.

[Frank's cousin]

But, for many, football is about much more than just results (and I have always said as much). Football Clubs up and down the country are an integral part of many towns and cities and are the cornerstone of the fabric for some communities and their existence and the role they play is much deeper than just winning matches.

 

If it was only about winning (or being promoted) then 80 or so teams each year would be deemed as abject failures. Of course results on the pitch are paramount, but it doesn't have to be at the expense of what else a football club is all about. I see no reason that wherever possible they shouldn't be complimentary.

 

Winning at all costs in the modern game has led to players being paid six figure sums a week and then refusing to play, I would suggest that perhaps everything isn't au fait with the game. At its extreme, if you were only too happy just to be judged on results then the way Portsmuff acted in recent years would be held up as the panacea that results justify the means, after all during their heyday they won the FA Cup and were riding high in the top flight. During their dark days that followed, I'm hoping a few of their fans realised that perhaps results aren't the most important things in football.

 

For me, football is deeper than merely winning on a Saturday, although of course that is the ultimate aim every time we field a side, but my passion for the Club does not diminish if we lose (or are even relegated)

 

I think things are fantastic at the moment, from a team who seem to be playing with great spirit, to a manager who seems to have a spring in his step, to a Chairman who is driven and passionate, through to the legacy of an owner who stepped in when things were at their lowest.

 

For all of that I am truly grateful, but it wouldn't be football if I didn't question whether Harding should play ahead of Fox, wonder whether Jos is up for it, pray that we beat Portsmuff in a couple of months time, question whether we sold season tickets in the right way and also ask whether it is right for the Chairman to rignite a messy feud.

 

Sorry UP, you have done it again...picked one sentance in isolation which then comes across as a completely different concept...the point of that WHOLE sentance was to demonstrate the inconsistency shown by those most vocal in their negativity NOW, claiming a club is so much more than results including idiotic statements such as 'would rather be in middle of L2 then have NC at helm' (paraphrased), when previously any good a regime did was immediately dismissed because it was results that matter...

 

... I am sure a few fans did recognise that winning is not the be and end all of following a club (I personally have never believed it was), but it is the main aim with respect to competition and sporting principle... and when you express a criticism in teh appropriate context, then nowt wrong with that, but surely you recognise that for a few, it goes beyond that.

 

There is also a biog difference between 'winning at all cost'... as Pompey tried, and having winning as your aim and thus doing everything possible with the exception of stupid spending to try and achieve that. What I object to is the assumptiosn so many make without any real evidence that then forms teh whole basis of an argument/criticism. The ST sales thing is a good example; Yes its seems we were late to the party... but there are MANY alteranive explanations as to why rather than simply saying its a cock up.... as to prices and car parking charges and 'ticket taxes' - despite having a 2,000,000 + viewed thread where we laugh at Pompeys stupid spending and inabilty to budget, some fans seem to expect us to spend big on transfers and high wages, yet not consider whetre teh money should come from, or expect teh ML estate to pay for it all desoite it being made clear from the outset that teh expectation is self financing with a little thrown in for major cap ex projects.... its this sort of simplistic view and distorted rationale and justification for criticism that gets me irrate (as you can probably tell!)

[um pahars]

to demonstrate the inconsistency shown by those most vocal in their negativity NOW' date=' claiming a club is so much more than results including idiotic statements such as 'would rather be in middle of L2 then have NC at helm' (paraphrased), when previously any good a regime did was immediately dismissed because it was results that matter...[/quote']

 

But what are we talking about here?? 1 or 2 posters?? (if that).

 

The individual who posted the "would rather be in the middle of L2 rather than top of Championship" didn't find many in agreement with his views.

 

So what I struggle with is this desire to label everyone as "agenda ridden professional whingers", when all they have done is honestly question or given an honest opinion on certain issues.

 

Of course there could have been a genuine reasons for having a late 2 week renewal window, but in the absence of any explanations is it a crime of treason to suggest it might not be the best way to do it?? Likewise is it the ramblings of a traitor to suggest that Cortese was unwise to reignite this messy feud with his interview??

 

Putting forward your view on your football club shouldn't be a crime.

[dune]

Sorry UP

 

Fair play for that. It takes a man to admit he was wrong.

[hypochondriac]

But what are we talking about here?? 1 or 2 posters?? (if that).

 

The individual who posted the "would rather be in the middle of L2 rather than top of Championship" didn't find many in agreement with his views.

 

So what I struggle with is this desire to label everyone as "agenda ridden professional whingers", when all they have done is honestly question or given an honest opinion on certain issues.

 

Of course there could have been a genuine reasons for having a late 2 week renewal window, but in the absence of any explanations is it a crime of treason to suggest it might not be the best way to do it?? Likewise is it the ramblings of a traitor to suggest that Cortese was unwise to reignite this messy feud with his interview??

 

Putting forward your view on your football club shouldn't be a crime.

 

Amen.

[Smirking_Saint]

I really don't give a f**k about most of all this tbf.

 

I like Cortese because he saved us and will probably make our future pretty good.

I like Le Tissier because he is our biggest legend and also saved us- more than once.

It's possible to like both, and let them get on with their fall out or whatever it is, and stop being a bunch of tarts gossiping over it all. Women are bad enough buying their "celeb" gossip magazines, but this forum is the same thing in a different form at the moment.

 

Well said Phill

[Steeleye Saint]

You're looking forward to a time when the all time Southampton Football Club legend is a chief executive?

 

You absolute spanner.

 

Hooray! I've been insulted by the ubiquitous "my opinion is the only one that counts" CB Fry!

Hardly an exclusive club though is it?