miserableoldgit Posted 27 September, 2011 Share Posted 27 September, 2011 Agenda driven = doesn't share your view. Welldone for debating so well. When someone is so entrenched in their views that they will look for any opportunity to denigrate somebody (whoever they are) for a reason and will not listen or accept that their particular view may be wrong, then to me , that is "agenda-driven". Debate to me is discussing something in a sensible manner, listening to the various arguments and then reaching a decision. Which these two options do you put docker_p in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 27 September, 2011 Share Posted 27 September, 2011 Quite frankly, who cares. We're playing good football, have a great manager, look in great shape and it's a great time to be a Saints fan. I couldn't care less about what the Chairman does or doesn't do, so long as we keep playing good football and have a club to support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 27 September, 2011 Share Posted 27 September, 2011 For more than 40 years, the ex-Saints association have been doing fine work around the city, with many charities benefitting.It was founded by Roy Beazley (MBE), all those years ago and have enjoyed a close association with the parent club. I am sure, like me, Roy is not enjoying the constant bickering that seems to be reverberating, between both parties. FFS get together, work together and carry on the good work, whatever side you represent. The Ex Saints have gone off in a different direction in recent years. A lot of the original stalwarts (mainly locally based players such as Stuart Williams, Bob Mc Carthy, Cliff Huxford, Denny Pring, Roger Fry, micky Judd etc etc) have long since stopped their involvement and the mantle has been taken up by a more recent group financed by a keen and fairly wealthy Saints fan who pays for the Ex Saints Association Box at St Marys and helps bankroll the Ex Saints team I understand Roy Beazley (who has not enjoyed the best of health in recent years, nor has his wife) has not been directly involved for a few years now The football club and the Ex Saints have enjoyed a patchy relationship over the past 30-40 years but it would be great if any differences could be forgotten and both organisations worked together for the benefit of the club which, after all, is what the fans want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 27 September, 2011 Share Posted 27 September, 2011 The Ex Saints have gone off in a different direction in recent years. A lot of the original stalwarts (mainly locally based players such as Stuart Williams, Bob Mc Carthy, Cliff Huxford, Denny Pring, Roger Fry, micky Judd etc etc) have long since stopped their involvement and the mantle has been taken up by a more recent group financed by a keen and fairly wealthy Saints fan who pays for the Ex Saints Association Box at St Marys and helps bankroll the Ex Saints team I understand Roy Beazley (who has not enjoyed the best of health in recent years, nor has his wife) has not been directly involved for a few years now The football club and the Ex Saints have enjoyed a patchy relationship over the past 30-40 years but it would be great if any differences could be forgotten and both organisations worked together for the benefit of the club which, after all, is what the fans want Exactly right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 27 September, 2011 Share Posted 27 September, 2011 Correct me if I'm wrong was it not last season that nc talked about the dark forces trying to destabilise the club . The op and his cohorts are clearly part of this brigands of evil. Certain members of ui need to crawl back into their holes from once they came. I remember the bad days when chorley McMillan foley and co tried to divide the fan base. If Illingsworth is the author of the article as was intimated then I have been duped by him to think he was a reasonable bloke . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 27 September, 2011 Share Posted 27 September, 2011 Jesus, it's really difficult to try and maintain a level of legitimate criticism of some of Cortese's policies when this kind of polarising guff gives people the opportunity to lump all the objectors into one convenient pile of mentalists... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 27 September, 2011 Share Posted 27 September, 2011 Jesus, it's really difficult to try and maintain a level of legitimate criticism of some of Cortese's policies when this kind of polarising guff gives people the opportunity to lump all the objectors into one convenient pile of mentalists... Weird isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 27 September, 2011 Share Posted 27 September, 2011 What a moronic thread this is, glad I've been away awhile - but then I've never asked for or expected any freebies from the club. NC is a man of vision and principle and it's damn good that at at last we have such a person at the top. Best if you all ignore all those jealous loose mouths of the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertySFC Posted 27 September, 2011 Share Posted 27 September, 2011 Personally I support The saints - what goes on the pitch is far more important that any squabble - What the club does outside of its main agenda - "Promotion to the premier league" I don't really give a monkeys arse. Parking fees , freebies, charity what ever the scenario is it is just not of interest. The club has a charity foundation and it is an official arm of the company that really should be the end of the story - It seems some people are bitter about NC - what I would say is have a look around the country and see how many fan bases / clubs would cut their arm off for a chairman like ours. The club is moving forward in my opinion in the right way - ON THE PITCH...every thing else is of no interest, I don't support Saints because we have a nice charity, have a free car park or give people who already have the resources to pay for tickets a free one every game - I support them because of the FOOTBALL and winning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie saint Posted 27 September, 2011 Share Posted 27 September, 2011 The poster on the Ugly Inside forum states "...when you have guys who have lost limbs etc and indeed friends been killed at this game..." Why wasn't appalling tragedy covered on the News? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 27 September, 2011 Share Posted 27 September, 2011 Copied and pasted form a thread on the UI site. Yet another example, if any where needed, of just what sort of sad individual is running our club. "Just had a phone call from someone involved with the gmae yesterday, (not from the ex saints side of things I will add) he told me a couple of things that really saddened me Firstly the ex saints and estleigh both approached Saints to promote the game in the matchday programme etc and were turned down flat, I dont care about personal feuds but for a good cause like this, that is just disgusting. Secondly the likes of Jason Dodd were told that they were not allowed to play in the game, again to do that for a cause such as this is sad. Thirdly and im not 100% on this because as i say the person who told me isnt connected with the ex saints, im told they have recieved a letter from the club informing them they are not to use the name "ex Saints" as it may imply that they have a connection with the club. Im not going to say much here apart from to say that when you have guys who have lost limbs etc and indeed friends been killed at this game and money being raised for their welfare, can anyone justify this stance by the club Wow, I predicted at least a week would go by before a counter argument against Cortese appeared. I thought it would be the Stelling one, but no, here it is after two days. So we have a rant from someone who had his season ticket refunded (alledgedly) with a rant based on nothing but hearsay and inuendo, following a glowing bunch of toss in a daily rag, who used to hate NC but don't any more, after he has a dig at free loaders who peope ASSUME must be Matty and Lawrie, and the rant on National TV of another individual who made ASSUMPTIONS. And boh of the Media outlets owned by the same man. Total and utter garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbury Posted 27 September, 2011 Share Posted 27 September, 2011 I'm not saying Cortese is perfect, I'm not saying he hasn't made mistakes but some you really, really don't know how lucky we are to have him. If you think there is anyone out there who is (a) remotely interested (b) as capable as Cortese © can guarantee continued success then I'd love to hear who those people are. His abrasive way is going to rub some people up the wrong way and rightly or wrongly, he bandied two ex-Saints into the same category as the freeloaders who probably have very tentative links with us. It's a mistake, it's happened and up until the silliness of the weekend, it appeared things had turned a corner and bridges were being built. What I cannot fathom is the fan-on-the-board, protest/whinge/always-know-best brigade who surface every time there is a bit of controversy (in their heads, mostly) with a chairman. Half the time, you don't hear a peep from this ****heads until they've been given, in their sad little world, a justifiable reason to squinny like little girls because they don't agree with something. Additionally, they can't be reasoned with as they are always right, irrespective of anyone else's viewpoint. If Lowe did something right, it's wrong. If Wilde did something right, it was wrong. If Crouch did something right, it was wrong and if Cortese does something right, it's wrong - the same applies if any of the previous or current incumbents do anything wrong. Actually, that's the worst case scenario - they really get their little frillies in a twist over that. If you want drama, watch a f()cking soap, or better still, go down either side of the city and hang around with those whingy f()cksticks. Just when we've finally, after years of turmoil, freeloading, debt and worry - turned it around, we find a small section of our fanbase crying into their milk and stomping on their digestives over programme covers, car park charges and the like. It's pathetic, truly f()cking pathetic. Typical know-it-all's who always have a solution for everything. The type of know-it-all who probably looked over the first Ted Bates statue and gave themselves a nice pat on the back for being such a "nice person". Then we've got the attention-seeking tubthumping fan-on-the-board types who love a good drama. Stringing out small-ish problems and hear'say into large, volatile threads because they heard someone who heard someone else who farted the message which the dog heard from someone else who was walking their dog in the park. Stoking and hypothesising over dark forces, agendas and laying the seeds of doubt among others in the fanbase - just to grab that little slice of attention and hold dominion over a shallow, pointless conversation on the internet. He's not f()cking pefect, far from it - but who is? He's done a great job so far and if he's isolated a few wet-willied, lily-livered cry babies than so be it. I'll question Cortese's ability when he does something truly horrendous and heinous. At the time of writing, he has not so shut the f()ck up whining and enjoy one of our best teams, managers and form in years before it all goes to sh1t and you've really got something to protest about. Haven't read all the posts yet. But THIS! Good work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbury Posted 27 September, 2011 Share Posted 27 September, 2011 Also, being ex-pat for (exactly) 2 years, I am going to join my kids in supporting ManU, though I imagine there are many wnakers on their forums also. In fact it's possible that one of the best supported and successul clubs in the world may have more wnakers on their forums than exist in this one. Cheers guys - I do hope you get rid of that burdensome Cortese character and achieve success in the lower divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holepuncture Posted 27 September, 2011 Share Posted 27 September, 2011 cortese out to sink the ex-saints charity? pmsl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 27 September, 2011 Share Posted 27 September, 2011 I asked my mate (who does every game) but doesn't post or come on here about all this. He didn't have a clue what I was going on about. Says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 27 September, 2011 Share Posted 27 September, 2011 Simply sickening OP - call yourself a Saint? Hang your head in shame along with anyone else associated with pedalling this rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 27 September, 2011 Share Posted 27 September, 2011 respect to the Crab man. Tis nothing more than a slightly windy day in a thimble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 27 September, 2011 Share Posted 27 September, 2011 Quite frankly, who cares. We're playing good football, have a great manager, look in great shape and it's a great time to be a Saints fan. I couldn't care less about what the Chairman does or doesn't do, so long as we keep playing good football and have a club to support. Isn't that what pompey fans said as they were enjoying winning the FA cup..........Just before it all went tits up.... (not that I'm suggesting we're heading that way I just think we should care what the people at the top do to our club.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 28 September, 2011 Share Posted 28 September, 2011 Isn't that what pompey fans said as they were enjoying winning the FA cup..........Just before it all went tits up.... (not that I'm suggesting we're heading that way I just think we should care what the people at the top do to our club.) That's true, but I think if you read this thread you'll see that the Saints Foundation contributed around £650,000 to good causes last year. Not knocking the Ex-Saints, because anybody who gives their time to a good cause deserves respect, but they don't come close to that figure. In my personal life I participate in a charitable association, and am acutely aware that "how much" is far more important than "who from". Wouldn't it be nice if the people wasting their time on this thread would rather use that time to help raise money for the Ex-Saints or the Saints Foundation. As I said the recipients won't give a toss where their donation comes from, but will be extremely grateful either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 28 September, 2011 Share Posted 28 September, 2011 Wouldn't it be nice if the people wasting their time on this thread would rather use that time to help raise money for the Ex-Saints or the Saints Foundation. As I said the recipients won't give a toss where their donation comes from, but will be extremely grateful either way. Maybe a few more would have by attending the ex Saints match v the Combined Services XI if they had known about it. There was a distinct lack of support from the club and I also do not recall seeing much in the local paper. Had both of them got behind it then I am sure many more would have attended so they could have done there bit to raise some cash for a very worthwhile charity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 28 September, 2011 Share Posted 28 September, 2011 Maybe a few more would have by attending the ex Saints match v the Combined Services XI if they had known about it. There was a distinct lack of support from the club and I also do not recall seeing much in the local paper. Had both of them got behind it then I am sure many more would have attended so they could have done there bit to raise some cash for a very worthwhile charity. I am sure it was promoted at a recent game on the bridges and by the King Alfred with leaflet handout in fact think it was Steve Bull handing them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntingdon Posted 28 September, 2011 Share Posted 28 September, 2011 I find it hard to believe Cortese would block them saying "Ex-Saints" Ex means no longer, so legally he would have no chance of enforcing that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 28 September, 2011 Share Posted 28 September, 2011 Interesting that the O.P. hasn`t contributed any more to this thread. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/search.php?searchid=696802 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 28 September, 2011 Share Posted 28 September, 2011 In my personal life I participate in a charitable association, and am acutely aware that "how much" is far more important than "who from". Way off topic, but are you sure about your statement above??? Obviously the total in the bucket at the end is vitally important, but I would argue that just as important in a more holistic manner is where the donation came from. A ruthless, exploitative, criminal minded individual could donate £1million easily from his ill gotten gains, but I would venture that £1million donated from a wide number of poorer, humbler and more honest folk would have the better all round benefit to society. "For it is in giving that we receive". "You can give without loving, but you can never love without giving." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 28 September, 2011 Share Posted 28 September, 2011 I'm not saying Cortese is perfect, I'm not saying he hasn't made mistakes but some you really, really don't know how lucky we are to have him. If you think there is anyone out there who is (a) remotely interested (b) as capable as Cortese © can guarantee continued success then I'd love to hear who those people are. His abrasive way is going to rub some people up the wrong way and rightly or wrongly, he bandied two ex-Saints into the same category as the freeloaders who probably have very tentative links with us. It's a mistake, it's happened and up until the silliness of the weekend, it appeared things had turned a corner and bridges were being built. What I cannot fathom is the fan-on-the-board, protest/whinge/always-know-best brigade who surface every time there is a bit of controversy (in their heads, mostly) with a chairman. Half the time, you don't hear a peep from this ****heads until they've been given, in their sad little world, a justifiable reason to squinny like little girls because they don't agree with something. Additionally, they can't be reasoned with as they are always right, irrespective of anyone else's viewpoint. If Lowe did something right, it's wrong. If Wilde did something right, it was wrong. If Crouch did something right, it was wrong and if Cortese does something right, it's wrong - the same applies if any of the previous or current incumbents do anything wrong. Actually, that's the worst case scenario - they really get their little frillies in a twist over that. If you want drama, watch a f()cking soap, or better still, go down either side of the city and hang around with those whingy f()cksticks. Just when we've finally, after years of turmoil, freeloading, debt and worry - turned it around, we find a small section of our fanbase crying into their milk and stomping on their digestives over programme covers, car park charges and the like. It's pathetic, truly f()cking pathetic. Typical know-it-all's who always have a solution for everything. The type of know-it-all who probably looked over the first Ted Bates statue and gave themselves a nice pat on the back for being such a "nice person". Then we've got the attention-seeking tubthumping fan-on-the-board types who love a good drama. Stringing out small-ish problems and hear'say into large, volatile threads because they heard someone who heard someone else who farted the message which the dog heard from someone else who was walking their dog in the park. Stoking and hypothesising over dark forces, agendas and laying the seeds of doubt among others in the fanbase - just to grab that little slice of attention and hold dominion over a shallow, pointless conversation on the internet. He's not f()cking pefect, far from it - but who is? He's done a great job so far and if he's isolated a few wet-willied, lily-livered cry babies than so be it. I'll question Cortese's ability when he does something truly horrendous and heinous. At the time of writing, he has not so shut the f()ck up whining and enjoy one of our best teams, managers and form in years before it all goes to sh1t and you've really got something to protest about. One of the best posts on this forum, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian the Red Posted 28 September, 2011 Share Posted 28 September, 2011 I'm not saying Cortese is perfect, I'm not saying he hasn't made mistakes but some you really, really don't know how lucky we are to have him. If you think there is anyone out there who is (a) remotely interested (b) as capable as Cortese © can guarantee continued success then I'd love to hear who those people are. His abrasive way is going to rub some people up the wrong way and rightly or wrongly, he bandied two ex-Saints into the same category as the freeloaders who probably have very tentative links with us. It's a mistake, it's happened and up until the silliness of the weekend, it appeared things had turned a corner and bridges were being built. What I cannot fathom is the fan-on-the-board, protest/whinge/always-know-best brigade who surface every time there is a bit of controversy (in their heads, mostly) with a chairman. Half the time, you don't hear a peep from this ****heads until they've been given, in their sad little world, a justifiable reason to squinny like little girls because they don't agree with something. Additionally, they can't be reasoned with as they are always right, irrespective of anyone else's viewpoint. If Lowe did something right, it's wrong. If Wilde did something right, it was wrong. If Crouch did something right, it was wrong and if Cortese does something right, it's wrong - the same applies if any of the previous or current incumbents do anything wrong. Actually, that's the worst case scenario - they really get their little frillies in a twist over that. If you want drama, watch a f()cking soap, or better still, go down either side of the city and hang around with those whingy f()cksticks. Just when we've finally, after years of turmoil, freeloading, debt and worry - turned it around, we find a small section of our fanbase crying into their milk and stomping on their digestives over programme covers, car park charges and the like. It's pathetic, truly f()cking pathetic. Typical know-it-all's who always have a solution for everything. The type of know-it-all who probably looked over the first Ted Bates statue and gave themselves a nice pat on the back for being such a "nice person". Then we've got the attention-seeking tubthumping fan-on-the-board types who love a good drama. Stringing out small-ish problems and hear'say into large, volatile threads because they heard someone who heard someone else who farted the message which the dog heard from someone else who was walking their dog in the park. Stoking and hypothesising over dark forces, agendas and laying the seeds of doubt among others in the fanbase - just to grab that little slice of attention and hold dominion over a shallow, pointless conversation on the internet. He's not f()cking pefect, far from it - but who is? He's done a great job so far and if he's isolated a few wet-willied, lily-livered cry babies than so be it. I'll question Cortese's ability when he does something truly horrendous and heinous. At the time of writing, he has not so shut the f()ck up whining and enjoy one of our best teams, managers and form in years before it all goes to sh1t and you've really got something to protest about. Crab Lungs, what an excellent post!! Indeed it is marvellous!! Totally agree with everything, well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 September, 2011 Share Posted 28 September, 2011 I'm not saying Cortese is perfect, I'm not saying he hasn't made mistakes but some you really, really don't know how lucky we are to have him. If you think there is anyone out there who is (a) remotely interested (b) as capable as Cortese © can guarantee continued success then I'd love to hear who those people are. His abrasive way is going to rub some people up the wrong way and rightly or wrongly, he bandied two ex-Saints into the same category as the freeloaders who probably have very tentative links with us. It's a mistake, it's happened and up until the silliness of the weekend, it appeared things had turned a corner and bridges were being built. What I cannot fathom is the fan-on-the-board, protest/whinge/always-know-best brigade who surface every time there is a bit of controversy (in their heads, mostly) with a chairman. Half the time, you don't hear a peep from this ****heads until they've been given, in their sad little world, a justifiable reason to squinny like little girls because they don't agree with something. Additionally, they can't be reasoned with as they are always right, irrespective of anyone else's viewpoint. If Lowe did something right, it's wrong. If Wilde did something right, it was wrong. If Crouch did something right, it was wrong and if Cortese does something right, it's wrong - the same applies if any of the previous or current incumbents do anything wrong. Actually, that's the worst case scenario - they really get their little frillies in a twist over that. If you want drama, watch a f()cking soap, or better still, go down either side of the city and hang around with those whingy f()cksticks. Just when we've finally, after years of turmoil, freeloading, debt and worry - turned it around, we find a small section of our fanbase crying into their milk and stomping on their digestives over programme covers, car park charges and the like. It's pathetic, truly f()cking pathetic. Typical know-it-all's who always have a solution for everything. The type of know-it-all who probably looked over the first Ted Bates statue and gave themselves a nice pat on the back for being such a "nice person". Then we've got the attention-seeking tubthumping fan-on-the-board types who love a good drama. Stringing out small-ish problems and hear'say into large, volatile threads because they heard someone who heard someone else who farted the message which the dog heard from someone else who was walking their dog in the park. Stoking and hypothesising over dark forces, agendas and laying the seeds of doubt among others in the fanbase - just to grab that little slice of attention and hold dominion over a shallow, pointless conversation on the internet. He's not f()cking pefect, far from it - but who is? He's done a great job so far and if he's isolated a few wet-willied, lily-livered cry babies than so be it. I'll question Cortese's ability when he does something truly horrendous and heinous. At the time of writing, he has not so shut the f()ck up whining and enjoy one of our best teams, managers and form in years before it all goes to sh1t and you've really got something to protest about. What he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 28 September, 2011 Share Posted 28 September, 2011 Way off topic, but are you sure about your statement above??? Obviously the total in the bucket at the end is vitally important, but I would argue that just as important in a more holistic manner is where the donation came from. A ruthless, exploitative, criminal minded individual could donate £1million easily from his ill gotten gains, but I would venture that £1million donated from a wide number of poorer, humbler and more honest folk would have the better all round benefit to society. "For it is in giving that we receive". "You can give without loving, but you can never love without giving." My short flippant answer to a valid but complex point would be that where lives were at stake rather than better electric wheelchairs, one might rather not know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 28 September, 2011 Share Posted 28 September, 2011 I'm not saying Cortese is perfect, I'm not saying he hasn't made mistakes but some you really, really don't know how lucky we are to have him. If you think there is anyone out there who is (a) remotely interested (b) as capable as Cortese © can guarantee continued success then I'd love to hear who those people are. His abrasive way is going to rub some people up the wrong way and rightly or wrongly, he bandied two ex-Saints into the same category as the freeloaders who probably have very tentative links with us. It's a mistake, it's happened and up until the silliness of the weekend, it appeared things had turned a corner and bridges were being built. What I cannot fathom is the fan-on-the-board, protest/whinge/always-know-best brigade who surface every time there is a bit of controversy (in their heads, mostly) with a chairman. Half the time, you don't hear a peep from this ****heads until they've been given, in their sad little world, a justifiable reason to squinny like little girls because they don't agree with something. Additionally, they can't be reasoned with as they are always right, irrespective of anyone else's viewpoint. If Lowe did something right, it's wrong. If Wilde did something right, it was wrong. If Crouch did something right, it was wrong and if Cortese does something right, it's wrong - the same applies if any of the previous or current incumbents do anything wrong. Actually, that's the worst case scenario - they really get their little frillies in a twist over that. If you want drama, watch a f()cking soap, or better still, go down either side of the city and hang around with those whingy f()cksticks. Just when we've finally, after years of turmoil, freeloading, debt and worry - turned it around, we find a small section of our fanbase crying into their milk and stomping on their digestives over programme covers, car park charges and the like. It's pathetic, truly f()cking pathetic. Typical know-it-all's who always have a solution for everything. The type of know-it-all who probably looked over the first Ted Bates statue and gave themselves a nice pat on the back for being such a "nice person". Then we've got the attention-seeking tubthumping fan-on-the-board types who love a good drama. Stringing out small-ish problems and hear'say into large, volatile threads because they heard someone who heard someone else who farted the message which the dog heard from someone else who was walking their dog in the park. Stoking and hypothesising over dark forces, agendas and laying the seeds of doubt among others in the fanbase - just to grab that little slice of attention and hold dominion over a shallow, pointless conversation on the internet. He's not f()cking pefect, far from it - but who is? He's done a great job so far and if he's isolated a few wet-willied, lily-livered cry babies than so be it. I'll question Cortese's ability when he does something truly horrendous and heinous. At the time of writing, he has not so shut the f()ck up whining and enjoy one of our best teams, managers and form in years before it all goes to sh1t and you've really got something to protest about. DOCKER P, take note! Ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 28 September, 2011 Share Posted 28 September, 2011 My short flippant answer to a valid but complex point would be that where lives were at stake rather than better electric wheelchairs, one might rather not know. Fair enough, just that I would also argue that in the world of charitable (and other) donations, very often great benefit is felt by both the donor and the recipient. I'm not suggesting for one minute that ££££s don't count, they most obviously do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 28 September, 2011 Share Posted 28 September, 2011 (edited) The poster on the ugly inside needs to realise what help for heroes is about before posting ****e and generalisations .last year I raised 5k for help the heroes fund walking around the coast of Orkney . Some posters on here sponsored me . I also wore my saints shirt during the 9 day walk . Should I have asked nc to sponsor my event . The answer is no it was an event I chose to do I just happen to be a saints fan . There are h4h events everyday up and down the country. Ex saints raise money for various charity's. The football match was yet another fundraising event they chose to do. The op is a total **** I did not hear him going on about nc supporting them in other charity events . What has really annoyed me is that the op is using h4h and injured service personnel to get their hate filled agenda across. He would be wise to remember brynn Parry's vision for h4h. Saints players have and always will get involved with charitable events Edited 28 September, 2011 by Jimmy_D fixing the swear filter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 28 September, 2011 Share Posted 28 September, 2011 I may have missed it in all the hullaballoo, but have ex-Saints actually said anything? Or is this all completely unsubstantiated, hate filled, agenda driven nonsense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alejam Posted 28 September, 2011 Share Posted 28 September, 2011 I'm not saying Cortese is perfect, I'm not saying he hasn't made mistakes but some you really, really don't know how lucky we are to have him. If you think there is anyone out there who is (a) remotely interested (b) as capable as Cortese © can guarantee continued success then I'd love to hear who those people are. His abrasive way is going to rub some people up the wrong way and rightly or wrongly, he bandied two ex-Saints into the same category as the freeloaders who probably have very tentative links with us. It's a mistake, it's happened and up until the silliness of the weekend, it appeared things had turned a corner and bridges were being built. What I cannot fathom is the fan-on-the-board, protest/whinge/always-know-best brigade who surface every time there is a bit of controversy (in their heads, mostly) with a chairman. Half the time, you don't hear a peep from this ****heads until they've been given, in their sad little world, a justifiable reason to squinny like little girls because they don't agree with something. Additionally, they can't be reasoned with as they are always right, irrespective of anyone else's viewpoint. If Lowe did something right, it's wrong. If Wilde did something right, it was wrong. If Crouch did something right, it was wrong and if Cortese does something right, it's wrong - the same applies if any of the previous or current incumbents do anything wrong. Actually, that's the worst case scenario - they really get their little frillies in a twist over that. If you want drama, watch a f()cking soap, or better still, go down either side of the city and hang around with those whingy f()cksticks. Just when we've finally, after years of turmoil, freeloading, debt and worry - turned it around, we find a small section of our fanbase crying into their milk and stomping on their digestives over programme covers, car park charges and the like. It's pathetic, truly f()cking pathetic. Typical know-it-all's who always have a solution for everything. The type of know-it-all who probably looked over the first Ted Bates statue and gave themselves a nice pat on the back for being such a "nice person". Then we've got the attention-seeking tubthumping fan-on-the-board types who love a good drama. Stringing out small-ish problems and hear'say into large, volatile threads because they heard someone who heard someone else who farted the message which the dog heard from someone else who was walking their dog in the park. Stoking and hypothesising over dark forces, agendas and laying the seeds of doubt among others in the fanbase - just to grab that little slice of attention and hold dominion over a shallow, pointless conversation on the internet. He's not f()cking pefect, far from it - but who is? He's done a great job so far and if he's isolated a few wet-willied, lily-livered cry babies than so be it. I'll question Cortese's ability when he does something truly horrendous and heinous. At the time of writing, he has not so shut the f()ck up whining and enjoy one of our best teams, managers and form in years before it all goes to sh1t and you've really got something to protest about. Brilliant post. Agree 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 28 September, 2011 Share Posted 28 September, 2011 I may have missed it in all the hullaballoo, but have ex-Saints actually said anything? Or is this all completely unsubstantiated, hate filled, agenda driven nonsense? What would your best guess be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 September, 2011 Share Posted 28 September, 2011 I may have missed it in all the hullaballoo, but have ex-Saints actually said anything? Or is this all completely unsubstantiated, hate filled, agenda driven nonsense? That's the second question I shall be asking the Pope when I interview him later today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 28 September, 2011 Share Posted 28 September, 2011 Just info the Ex Saints match V Combined Services ended 5-5 For Ex Saints MLT 2 Watson , Widdrington and Hussey. Team Paul Jones , Steve Baker , Mark Blake , Tommy Widdrington , Franny Benali , Matt Le Tissier , Glenn Cockerill , Paul Merson, David Hughes , Nicky Banger , Gordon Watson... Subs Flood , Whale , Hussey.. In the stand...John Sydenham , Hugh Fisher , Nick Holmes , Bob Charles (blast from the past..Big Bob ) James Beattie , and Dan Butterfield... Ex Saints won 4-2 on penalty shoot out... COY Ex Saints.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capel Saint Posted 28 September, 2011 Share Posted 28 September, 2011 Interesting that the O.P. hasn`t contributed any more to this thread. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/search.php?searchid=696802 Quite! It has taken 4 pages for someone to raise the fact that he hasn't responded. Why? Probably because he is purely a wind-up merchant and his only agenda is to create arguments over the slightest thing. The person who typed under the user name of Scooby was much the same. They will disappear for a couple of days and then pop up with another couple of absurd comments that will start another debate/argument amongst posters. Can't think he is a Saints fan. I wonder if Docker-P stands for Docker-Portmouth and if it is, then you have your answer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 28 September, 2011 Share Posted 28 September, 2011 Quite! It has taken 4 pages for someone to raise the fact that he hasn't responded. Why? Probably because he is purely a wind-up merchant and his only agenda is to create arguments over the slightest thing. The person who typed under the user name of Scooby was much the same. They will disappear for a couple of days and then pop up with another couple of absurd comments that will start another debate/argument amongst posters. Can't think he is a Saints fan. I wonder if Docker-P stands for Docker-Portmouth and if it is, then you have your answer! There are a few on here who routinely post odd stuff. Odd in the sense that you wouldn't imagine such stuff coming from a fan. We should put their names forward and name n shame. That way there can be greater awareness of the cox on this board n less chance of them going u def tar radar as a perceived "fan" Maybe a test could be to quote another poster tovouch for their attendance at games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 28 September, 2011 Share Posted 28 September, 2011 That's the second question I shall be asking the Pope when I interview him later today... He can't be an ex-Saint, can he? Not for a while yet anyway. --- I am here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=51.074303,-1.312032 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 28 September, 2011 Share Posted 28 September, 2011 He can't be an ex-Saint, can he? Not for a while yet anyway. I believe he is, here on loan from an Italian club the season before last. He played up front, too far up front most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 28 September, 2011 Share Posted 28 September, 2011 Just a question to the op just saying that had the club supported the event would this have led to more fans attending at Eastleigh ? I don't think so . I know this thread is a very emotive topic but I am angry at the use of h4h a charity that is close to my heart. Apologies for by passing the swear filter but the op more than touched a raw nerve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 September, 2011 Share Posted 29 September, 2011 Docker p is Corp ho. Fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alucard Posted 29 September, 2011 Share Posted 29 September, 2011 Just a question to the op just saying that had the club supported the event would this have led to more fans attending at Eastleigh ? I don't think so . I know this thread is a very emotive topic but I am angry at the use of h4h a charity that is close to my heart. Apologies for by passing the swear filter but the op more than touched a raw nerve Well it certainly wouldn't have led to less fans attending. The fact is that for years the club have supported ex-Saints events. Other clubs manage to support their ex-players charities as well as the clubs own charity. Why can't we? It seems very petty to spite a charity event because of feuds with a minority of the ex-players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 29 September, 2011 Share Posted 29 September, 2011 Well it certainly wouldn't have led to less fans attending. The fact is that for years the club have supported ex-Saints events. Other clubs manage to support their ex-players charities as well as the clubs own charity. Why can't we? It seems very petty to spite a charity event because of feuds with a minority of the ex-players. And you know for a fact that this is accurate?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alucard Posted 29 September, 2011 Share Posted 29 September, 2011 And you know for a fact that this is accurate?? No but what would it cost the club to make an anouncement over the tanoy at half time or display a quick advert on the stadium screens. Obviously advertising space in the program would cost real money and I can appreciate not wanting to be out of pocket but a 30 second slot from the inane pitchside idiot would cost nothing. The club issued a statement on TV distancing itself from the 125th anniversary bash at the Mayflower attended by many ex-players but what did the club do itself to mark the occasion apart from make a lot of money selling a one season kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 29 September, 2011 Share Posted 29 September, 2011 No but what would it cost the club to make an anouncement over the tanoy at half time or display a quick advert on the stadium screens. Obviously advertising space in the program would cost real money and I can appreciate not wanting to be out of pocket but a 30 second slot from the inane pitchside idiot would cost nothing. The club issued a statement on TV distancing itself from the 125th anniversary bash at the Mayflower attended by many ex-players but what did the club do itself to mark the occasion apart from make a lot of money selling a one season kit. I think that the club did a bit more than just bring out a money-making kit. Surely if it was JUST done to make money they would have had a sponsor for it. I think that they also had their own official anniversary dinner plus other events. The Mayflower event was organized privately, not by the club. As NC has, allegedly, no interest in the history of the club, he needn`t have done anything. The club also has it`s own charities that it supports. The problem is that it is easy to form opinions based on unsubstantiated tittle-tattle and present them as fact. Too many people seem to be doing that ATM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 September, 2011 Share Posted 29 September, 2011 (edited) I'm not saying Cortese is perfect, I'm not saying he hasn't made mistakes but some you really, really don't know how lucky we are to have him. If you think there is anyone out there who is (a) remotely interested (b) as capable as Cortese © can guarantee continued success then I'd love to hear who those people are. His abrasive way is going to rub some people up the wrong way and rightly or wrongly, he bandied two ex-Saints into the same category as the freeloaders who probably have very tentative links with us. It's a mistake, it's happened and up until the silliness of the weekend, it appeared things had turned a corner and bridges were being built. What I cannot fathom is the fan-on-the-board, protest/whinge/always-know-best brigade who surface every time there is a bit of controversy (in their heads, mostly) with a chairman. Half the time, you don't hear a peep from this ****heads until they've been given, in their sad little world, a justifiable reason to squinny like little girls because they don't agree with something. Additionally, they can't be reasoned with as they are always right, irrespective of anyone else's viewpoint. If Lowe did something right, it's wrong. If Wilde did something right, it was wrong. If Crouch did something right, it was wrong and if Cortese does something right, it's wrong - the same applies if any of the previous or current incumbents do anything wrong. Actually, that's the worst case scenario - they really get their little frillies in a twist over that. If you want drama, watch a f()cking soap, or better still, go down either side of the city and hang around with those whingy f()cksticks. Just when we've finally, after years of turmoil, freeloading, debt and worry - turned it around, we find a small section of our fanbase crying into their milk and stomping on their digestives over programme covers, car park charges and the like. It's pathetic, truly f()cking pathetic. Typical know-it-all's who always have a solution for everything. The type of know-it-all who probably looked over the first Ted Bates statue and gave themselves a nice pat on the back for being such a "nice person". Then we've got the attention-seeking tubthumping fan-on-the-board types who love a good drama. Stringing out small-ish problems and hear'say into large, volatile threads because they heard someone who heard someone else who farted the message which the dog heard from someone else who was walking their dog in the park. Stoking and hypothesising over dark forces, agendas and laying the seeds of doubt among others in the fanbase - just to grab that little slice of attention and hold dominion over a shallow, pointless conversation on the internet. He's not f()cking pefect, far from it - but who is? He's done a great job so far and if he's isolated a few wet-willied, lily-livered cry babies than so be it. I'll question Cortese's ability when he does something truly horrendous and heinous. At the time of writing, he has not so shut the f()ck up whining and enjoy one of our best teams, managers and form in years before it all goes to sh1t and you've really got something to protest about. I'm amazed that five people actually agree with this... what shall I call it... I know... "bedwetting". For a start I doubt there is a Saints fan alive that constantly disagreed with every single thing all of the last 4 Chairmen did, and no one other than pretty much you has mentioned a fan on the board for about 3 years, not that having a supporter as an advisor to a football club is even a bad idea. Agreed on the general gash that is "hearsay becoming fact". Not quite the same as using empirically proven facts like the 15 minute car park fee as a basis for criticisms though - used as a general example, rather than being particularly pertinent to this argument... ...because basically, having been away for the whole issue and really not actually investing any time in the whole matter, my take on this is that Saints have the right to defend the use of their intellectual property, including the rights to use the logo and club name and any other trademarks, and Ex-Saints have the right to set us as a Charity and raise money, just as the club does through the Foundation, but not by infringing those legal ownerships. None of the other stuff is even remotely relevant. Edited 29 September, 2011 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 29 September, 2011 Share Posted 29 September, 2011 Amen.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alucard Posted 29 September, 2011 Share Posted 29 September, 2011 I think that they also had their own official anniversary dinner plus other events. that ATM And you know for a fact that this is accurate?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alucard Posted 29 September, 2011 Share Posted 29 September, 2011 I think that the club did a bit more than just bring out a money-making kit. Surely if it was JUST done to make money they would have had a sponsor for it. I think that they also had their own official anniversary dinner plus other events. The Mayflower event was organized privately, not by the club. As NC has, allegedly, no interest in the history of the club, he needn`t have done anything. The club also has it`s own charities that it supports. The problem is that it is easy to form opinions based on unsubstantiated tittle-tattle and present them as fact. Too many people seem to be doing that ATM I'll show you what the club did for the fans to enjoy on the 125th anniversary http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2223453,00.html A chance to spend £125 (+ VAT) on a 2 course meal and a football match and to see some legends from the past (not including MLT, LM & FB) What a bargain for the average fan. At least the ex-players tried to do something for the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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