Do the club still employ a PR company to post on messageboards?

[docker-p]

Makes me laugh how 3-4 posters who don't like something/someone can make such a noise. Everyone bar a few posters like Cortese (and love MLT). So I think it's more realistic to suggust these few are the ones being hired by a PR company to try and rock the ship. Maybe Lowe wants back in and it using this tried and tested method?

 

Grow the f*** up.

"Everyone likes Cortese". Thats not my experience. Everyone I speak to is at best ambivalent about him, or at worst hate him; which explains why people are suspicious of pro-Cortese posts.

FWIW, i think most peoples problem with NC is the contempt he displays not only to the legends of our club, but long standing fans and sponsors. The bottom line is the only thing positive NC has done is employ NA. But when every fan, newspaper and neutral commentator had identified NA as the best man for the job it's hard to give NC too much credit for this.( Especially as you'll remember he very nearly screwed this up too!). This of course will not stop him claiming sole credit for this and putting his mug on the front of another program.

[The Kraken]

"Everyone likes Cortese". Thats not my experience. Everyone I speak to is at best ambivalent about him, or at worst hate him; which explains why people are suspicious of pro-Cortese posts.

FWIW, i think most peoples problem with NC is the contempt he displays not only to the legends of our club, but long standing fans and sponsors. The bottom line is the only thing positive NC has done is employ NA. But when every fan, newspaper and neutral commentator had identified NA as the best man for the job it's hard to give NC too much credit for this.( Especially as you'll remember he very nearly screwed this up too!). This of course will not stop him claiming sole credit for this and putting his mug on the front of another program.

 

Of course it isn't Docker; even the staunchest anti-Corteseite could tell you that you're talking out of your arse with that statement.

[Frank's cousin]

F*ck me... here we go again.... same old ****** about NC as there was about Lowe. Misinformed, speculative opinion forming based on a sample of a few mates who all have the same agenda, without bothering to look at any of the logic in decsions made, or accept that things are never as black or white as they appear on the surface....

[trousers]

F*ck me... here we go again.... same old ****** about NC as there was about Lowe. Misinformed' date=' speculative opinion forming based on a sample of a few mates who all have the same agenda, without bothering to look at any of the logic in decsions made, or accept that things are never as black or white as they appear on the surface....[/quote']

 

It's a football forum on the interweb...did you expect anything different? :-)

[um pahars]

"Everyone likes Cortese". Thats not my experience. Everyone I speak to is at best ambivalent about him, or at worst hate him; which explains why people are suspicious of pro-Cortese posts.

FWIW, i think most peoples problem with NC is the contempt he displays not only to the legends of our club, but long standing fans and sponsors. The bottom line is the only thing positive NC has done is employ NA. But when every fan, newspaper and neutral commentator had identified NA as the best man for the job it's hard to give NC too much credit for this.( Especially as you'll remember he very nearly screwed this up too!). This of course will not stop him claiming sole credit for this and putting his mug on the front of another program.

 

I think he's done a fair bit more positive than merely appoingting NA and I'm also not convinced that NA was the one on everyones lips (and Cortese merely followed the crowd!!).

[The Kraken]

I think he's done a fair bit more positive than merely appoingting NA and I'm also not convinced that NA was the one on everyones lips (and Cortese merely followed the crowd!!).

 

If anything I'd say that Adkins was one of the last names on the tips of peoples' tongues as to who we SHOULD go for; certainly the major national papers were talking up a host of other usual names that get trotted out. Adkins didn't seem to be on the radar of anyone but SFC, who clearly had him identified as the number one target. You only have to look at the amount of fans who were "underwhelmed" to form a picture of how high up the pecking order Adkins was viewed as being; to say he was the obvious shoo-in is just a blatant rewriting of history to suit a particularly bitter agenda.

[dune]

You only have to look at the amount of fans who were "underwhelmed" to form a picture of how high up the pecking order Adkins was viewed as being; to say he was the obvious shoo-in is just a blatant rewriting of history to suit a particularly bitter agenda.

 

I'm pleased to say I supported the sacking of Pardew and was very impressed by NA from day 1. Cortese has done a lot of good things, but that doesn't mean he is impervious to criticism on individual issues.

[The Kraken]

I'm pleased to say I supported the sacking of Pardew and was very impressed by NA from day 1. Cortese has done a lot of good things, but that doesn't mean he is impervious to criticism on individual issues.

 

And you'll find I have never advocated him being so; indeed I've been critical of him for some of his previous actions, and will continue to do so as I think the only healthy way to judge him is to evaluate each and every decision on it's own particular merits.

 

Some people (I guess you included) were indeed thoroughly in favour of Adkins to start with. A hell of a lot were also rather non-plussed with his appointment. I'm pretty sure all Saints fans were willing for him to succeed, but to say he was the only obvious candidate for the job, the fans' favourite and only logical choice, is just total nonsense.

[Dimond Geezer]

"Everyone likes Cortese". Thats not my experience. Everyone I speak to is at best ambivalent about him, or at worst hate him; which explains why people are suspicious of pro-Cortese posts.

FWIW, i think most peoples problem with NC is the contempt he displays not only to the legends of our club, but long standing fans and sponsors. The bottom line is the only thing positive NC has done is employ NA. But when every fan, newspaper and neutral commentator had identified NA as the best man for the job it's hard to give NC too much credit for this.( Especially as you'll remember he very nearly screwed this up too!). This of course will not stop him claiming sole credit for this and putting his mug on the front of another program.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he persuade ML to part with £15 million or so to buy the club?

[Wes Tender]

"Everyone likes Cortese". Thats not my experience. Everyone I speak to is at best ambivalent about him, or at worst hate him; which explains why people are suspicious of pro-Cortese posts.

 

The pertinent words here being "Everyone I speak to"

 

I would suggest that your circle of friends and contacts share the same dislike that you have for people in positions of wealth, power or influence.

 

FWIW, i think most peoples problem with NC is the contempt he displays not only to the legends of our club, but long standing fans and sponsors.

 

The bottom line is the only thing positive NC has done is employ NA. But when every fan, newspaper and neutral commentator had identified NA as the best man for the job it's hard to give NC too much credit for this.( Especially as you'll remember he very nearly screwed this up too!). This of course will not stop him claiming sole credit for this and putting his mug on the front of another program.

 

As others have expressed surprise at this apparently widespread opinion that NA was the best man to take on the job, perhaps you would kindly point us all in the direction of the numerous quotes in the media that you refer to. If you cannot furnish us with these quotes, I will take it that you are talking bullsh*t, in an effort to minimise the importance of the decision that NC made in bringing him in when many others were being connected to the job in the media. I take it that you do not dispute with the benefit of hindsight that the appointment was inspired? Obviously though it just wrankles with you that credit for the appointment must go to NC and his advisors.

[Window Cleaner]

thinking of ultra positive posters...where is NickG these days??

[Joensuu]

"Everyone likes Cortese". Thats not my experience. Everyone I speak to is at best ambivalent about him, or at worst hate him; which explains why people are suspicious of pro-Cortese posts.

 

Sounds like the only way to clear this up is to have a poll. Mods?

 

Cortese:

 

love

like

ambivalent

dislike

hate

 

I recon more will vote for 'like' than for 'dislike' and 'hate' combined.

[JackFrost]

If I remember correctly Lowe and Crouch both had PR plants on here and Wilde even posted on here himself I believe.

 

Frankly Cortese doesn't strike me as someone who would waste his time worrying about what people post on internet forums

 

Lowe Wilde and/or Crouch - yes

 

Cortese - no

[Guan 2.0]

If I remember correctly Lowe and Crouch both had PR plants on here and Wilde even posted on here himself I believe.

 

Frankly Cortese doesn't strike me as someone who would waste his time worrying about what people post on internet forums

 

Lowe Wilde and/or Crouch - yes

 

Cortese - no

 

You're obviously the plant trying to deflect suspicion. The fact you have assumed the identity and image of a famous policeman, in order to seem trustworthy only serves to confirm this. But after some digging, I’ve found new and shocking evidence that the ‘Jack frost’ you claim to be was merely a CHARACTER who was played by an ACTOR – someone who portrays opinions and actions that are not genuinely his own for MONEY. Just like the behaviour of a ‘plant’ on a message board.

 

And notice the join date of this so called ‘Jack frost’ is October 2009. Just EIGHT years and ONE month after the 9/11 attacks.

 

The prosecution rests.

[Golden Balls]

I'm pleased to say I supported the sacking of Pardew and was very impressed by NA from day 1. Cortese has done a lot of good things, but that doesn't mean he is impervious to criticism on individual issues.

 

But I don't think anyone has the opinion that Cortese is impervious to criticism. But then who is? Cortese is good for the club and I think most fans see that. Those same fan wish that he could make it up with MLT/LM/Franny.

[JackFrost]

You're obviously the plant trying to deflect suspicion. The fact you have assumed the identity and image of a famous policeman, in order to seem trustworthy only serves to confirm this. But after some digging, I’ve found new and shocking evidence that the ‘Jack frost’ you claim to be was merely a CHARACTER who was played by an ACTOR – someone who portrays opinions and actions that are not genuinely his own for MONEY. Just like the behaviour of a ‘plant’ on a message board.

 

And notice the join date of this so called ‘Jack frost’ is October 2009. Just EIGHT years and ONE month after the 9/11 attacks.

 

The prosecution rests.

 

Dammit,

 

Ok people, abort! abort!

 

The idea of me being a plant is obviously starting to er grow on you

[JackFrost]

But I don't think anyone has the opinion that Cortese is impervious to criticism. But then who is? Cortese is good for the club and I think most fans see that. Those same fan wish that he could make it up with MLT/LM/Franny.

 

And this is the thing, CB Fry for instance bang on about this and I haven't seen one person who has stated or even implied this

[JackFrost]

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[Spudders]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he persuade ML to part with £15 million or so to buy the club?

 

Ah yes, but some people don't want to let that humongous fact get the way of some more Cortese bashing. Just like they choose to ignore the fact that:

• He's pressing on with a 5 year business plan he and Markus drew up, to take us back to the top league in English football
  
• He's set out plans and work has started on a major new training facility for the youth teams,
  
• He has been involved in the signing of several players (many of which have directly stated one of the reasons they came to Southampton was after the chairman set out his vision)
  
• He's held sessions with fans to listen to their opinions and in some cases acted on them (Saints Ale, new range of merchandise)
  
• He’s refused to be pushed about in the transfer market and when he has had to let players go he’s got a great deal for the club
  

 

Yeah maybe docker-p is right, what value has he brought to the club at all so far other than employ NA? (And even then most slated him at the time for getting rid of pards).

[LostBoys]

There are some t**ts posting on here. I hope that there a huge number of 'plants' on this forum so that they can read every post that advises how to run a football club and then tell NC how it should be done and also take note of every anti NC post so that he can hopefully send out a hit squad to get rid of them!!! I might be one of them plant that is as well as a t**t for reading the posts in the first place

[View From The Top]

"Everyone likes Cortese". Thats not my experience. Everyone I speak to is at best ambivalent about him, or at worst hate him; which explains why people are suspicious of pro-Cortese posts.

FWIW, i think most peoples problem with NC is the contempt he displays not only to the legends of our club, but long standing fans and sponsors. The bottom line is the only thing positive NC has done is employ NA. But when every fan, newspaper and neutral commentator had identified NA as the best man for the job it's hard to give NC too much credit for this.( Especially as you'll remember he very nearly screwed this up too!). This of course will not stop him claiming sole credit for this and putting his mug on the front of another program.

 

That is some of the best revisionist history ever.

 

What a c**k.

[Dalek2003]

I bet Docker shouted and screamed at the board in 2004 and was delighted at the decision not to appoint Hoddle.

It was his type that brought the club to its knees and his type will do it again whilst refusing to accept any responsibility for the carnage !

[LGTL]

And this is the thing, CB Fry for instance bang on about this and I haven't seen one person who has stated or even implied this

 

I am stunned that there is anyone who even reads his posts.

[jam]

thinking of ultra positive posters...where is NickG these days??

 

Contract ran out.

[Fan The Flames]

"Everyone likes Cortese". Thats not my experience. Everyone I speak to is at best ambivalent about him, or at worst hate him; which explains why people are suspicious of pro-Cortese posts.

FWIW, i think most peoples problem with NC is the contempt he displays not only to the legends of our club, but long standing fans and sponsors. The bottom line is the only thing positive NC has done is employ NA. But when every fan, newspaper and neutral commentator had identified NA as the best man for the job it's hard to give NC too much credit for this.( Especially as you'll remember he very nearly screwed this up too!). This of course will not stop him claiming sole credit for this and putting his mug on the front of another program.

 

This is a credibility bashing post.

[david in sweden]

Of course I agree that the team is on the up, but much like Labour using 9/11 to bury bad news, our good times shouldn't provide Nicola with a shield to protect him from criticism over this issue.

 

I really don't think it's a issue. There were "issues" between them prior to the Liebherr buy out when I think Pinnacle unfairly influenced the Administrator into " ignoring " any other bids, and bought itself some time which cost us the loss of two players- Surman for one, through enforced transfers in order to keep paying the staff.

The Liebherr bid was (according to reports ) already on the table in May !

 

The Sun interview doesn't seem as clear as it might have done, but it doesn't say that NC cites MLT as a " scrounger," either.

but likely "some others ".

 

Unfortunately Spelling's unwanted comments have made a mountain out of a molehill, and it's best left alone.

 

MOVE ON ! next game is Wednesday, right ?

Edited 26 September, 2011 by david in sweden

[SaintBobby]

I'm paid a major retainer directly by the club to post my views on here.

 

I've subtly moved from a sceptical to a pro-Cortese position.

 

I simply can't understand why other fans haven't got their snouts into this trough.

[offix]

where did all this Cortese hating come from? Are things going too weel for some closet pompey fans?

[CB Fry]

where did all this Cortese hating come from? Are things going too weel for some closet pompey fans?

 

It came from unneccessary pointed quotes he gave to a national newspaper while he and the rest of us have been basking in the unknown pleasure of being top of the league.

 

Matthew Le Tissier in his recent newspaper interviews had been full of praise for the manager, the team, and Lambert and Lallana in particular.

 

It's a crying shame Cortese couldn't take the opportunity to move on as well. Get on with running the club Nicola, and leave your petty feuds behind.

 

 

That answer your question?

[patred44]

in the first 6 posts this thread opened with someone claiming 99.9% support Cortese....

 

not the case, is it? What was the original question....do we think we have PR PLANTS????:suspicious:

[Red and White Army]

not the case, is it? What was the original question....do we think we have PR PLANTS????:suspicious:

 

I think I would rather have a PR plant that racist idiots like dune.

[Joensuu]

I think many people don't understand journalism. It is unlikely that Cortese was asked about le Tissier, and Lawrie, and responded with 6 disjointed paragraphs, which look like a rant when strung together. The Sun interview, could easily have happened like this:

 

 

Journalist: "Your decision to remove freebies and perks from former staff members hasn't gone down well with everyone has it?"

Cortese: "I simply couldn't accept all these people trying to get freebies here, freebies there. "

Journalist: "So, do you expect former staff to buy their own tickets to watch matches?"

Cortese:"Listen, if I pay for my season ticket then I expect everyone to pay for their ticket too."

 

10 questions later...

 

Journalist: "Do you consider yourself to be confrontational?"

Cortese: "No, not at all"

Journalist: "and, do you consider yourself to be popular with the fans?"

Cortese: "I'm not interested in being popular, I'm focused on making this club successful."

 

12 questions later...

 

Journalist: "How do you react to the criticism that has been directed at you by le Tissier and McMenemy?

Cortese: "Yes, Lawrie McMenemy and Matt Le Tissier have criticised me but they should know no one is more important than the club."

[spyinthesky]

I think many people don't understand journalism. It is unlikely that Cortese was asked about le Tissier, and Lawrie, and responded with 6 disjointed paragraphs, which look like a rant when strung together. The Sun interview, could easily have happened like this:

 

 

Journalist: "Your decision to remove freebies and perks from former staff members hasn't gone down well with everyone has it?"

Cortese: "I simply couldn't accept all these people trying to get freebies here, freebies there. "

Journalist: "So, do you expect former staff to buy their own tickets to watch matches?"

Cortese:"Listen, if I pay for my season ticket then I expect everyone to pay for their ticket too."

 

10 questions later...

 

Journalist: "Do you consider yourself to be confrontational?"

Cortese: "No, not at all"

Journalist: "and, do you consider yourself to be popular with the fans?"

Cortese: "I'm not interested in being popular, I'm focused on making this club successful."

 

12 questions later...

 

Journalist: "How do you react to the criticism that has been directed at you by le Tissier and McMenemy?

Cortese: "Yes, Lawrie McMenemy and Matt Le Tissier have criticised me but they should know no one is more important than the club."

 

Good post

 

i think we all should be reminded how journalism works and how things can be taken out of context and/or manipulated to suit a particular agenda

[Ken Tone]

I think many people don't understand journalism. It is unlikely that Cortese was asked about le Tissier, and Lawrie, and responded with 6 disjointed paragraphs, which look like a rant when strung together. The Sun interview, could easily have happened like this:

 

 

Journalist: "Your decision to remove freebies and perks from former staff members hasn't gone down well with everyone has it?"

Cortese: "I simply couldn't accept all these people trying to get freebies here, freebies there. "

Journalist: "So, do you expect former staff to buy their own tickets to watch matches?"

Cortese:"Listen, if I pay for my season ticket then I expect everyone to pay for their ticket too."

 

10 questions later...

 

Journalist: "Do you consider yourself to be confrontational?"

Cortese: "No, not at all"

Journalist: "and, do you consider yourself to be popular with the fans?"

Cortese: "I'm not interested in being popular, I'm focused on making this club successful."

 

12 questions later...

 

Journalist: "How do you react to the criticism that has been directed at you by le Tissier and McMenemy?

Cortese: "Yes, Lawrie McMenemy and Matt Le Tissier have criticised me but they should know no one is more important than the club."

 

Exactly, and then pillocks come on here not only believing every word from the Sun in the order written, but also adding their own prejudice, either way. If Cortese does indeed buy his own ticket, it's hardly surprising he expects everyone else to do the same. End of story ...big deal.

[Ken Tone]

in the first 6 posts this thread opened with someone claiming 99.9% support Cortese....

 

not the case, is it? What was the original question....do we think we have PR PLANTS????:suspicious:

 

If that is a serious question ..... It would surprise me greatly if we did. My own personal criticism of Cortese is that he is not very good at p.r and marketing (hardly surprising as an ex- Swiss banker) ... and what is more doesn't even seem to think they matter very much. I very much doubt he cares one jot what people on here think about him, so why would he spend money on p.r. plants?

[trousers]

I think many people don't understand journalism. It is unlikely that Cortese was asked about le Tissier, and Lawrie, and responded with 6 disjointed paragraphs, which look like a rant when strung together. The Sun interview, could easily have happened like this:

 

 

Journalist: "Your decision to remove freebies and perks from former staff members hasn't gone down well with everyone has it?"

Cortese: "I simply couldn't accept all these people trying to get freebies here, freebies there. "

Journalist: "So, do you expect former staff to buy their own tickets to watch matches?"

Cortese:"Listen, if I pay for my season ticket then I expect everyone to pay for their ticket too."

 

10 questions later...

 

Journalist: "Do you consider yourself to be confrontational?"

Cortese: "No, not at all"

Journalist: "and, do you consider yourself to be popular with the fans?"

Cortese: "I'm not interested in being popular, I'm focused on making this club successful."

 

12 questions later...

 

Journalist: "How do you react to the criticism that has been directed at you by le Tissier and McMenemy?

Cortese: "Yes, Lawrie McMenemy and Matt Le Tissier have criticised me but they should know no one is more important than the club."

 

Seems plausible to me