Stelling's Rant on Cortese

[Crazy Diamond]

If you think it is against the law for journalists to be unfair and inaccurate then you really are dumb.

 

When did I say it is against the law for a journalist to be unfair and inaccurate?

 

I said that the law dictates that a journalist cannot say whatever they want.

 

Sorry, I'll say it in a language you understand. C*nt c*nt c*nt. Big and clever isn't it?

[CB Fry]

It's about facts and opinions.

 

In Littlejohn's opinion, the death penalty should be brought back.

 

When someone says it is fact that something is happening and it's not, that's when the law gets involved. I can't write that someone is a child molester when they aren't. My point stands, we cannot say what we like.

 

As for should Stelling be subjected to the same rules and expectations as a political commentator, yes he should.

 

What facts did Stelling get wrong then? I've only watched it once but it sounded like an off the cuff harmless opinion piece to me. What precisely did he say that was either

 

a) untrue

b) anything even slightly equivalent to accusing someone of being a child molester?

 

 

Or are you really getting carried away getting stupidly upset about absolutely nothing at all?

[Crazy Diamond]

What facts did Stelling get wrong then? I've only watched it once but it sounded like an off the cuff harmless opinion piece to me. What precisely did he say that was either

 

a) untrue

b) anything even slightly equivalent to accusing someone of being a child molester?

 

 

Or are you really getting carried away getting stupidly upset about absolutely nothing at all?

 

That really is rich coming from you.

[CB Fry]

When did I say it is against the law for a journalist to be unfair and inaccurate?

 

I said that the law dictates that a journalist cannot say whatever they want.

 

Sorry, I'll say it in a language you understand. C*nt c*nt c*nt. Big and clever isn't it?

 

Ummm, you said it about five minutes ago. Here:

 

I'm going to use your rules to reply to this point.

 

What you don't know about journalism could fill a warehouse.

 

There is such a thing called the LAW. The law states that journalism must be 'fair, accurate and contemporaneous'. To suggest we can say whatever we want about whatever we want is incredibly stupid.

 

What a good game.

 

PS - just to clarify, the LAW does not state 'journalism must be fair accurate and contemporaneous'.

 

There are libel, slander and defamation laws of course.

[Legod Third Coming]

It's about facts and opinions.

 

In Littlejohn's opinion, the death penalty should be brought back.

 

When someone says it is fact that something is happening and it's not, that's when the law gets involved. I can't write that someone is a child molester when they aren't. My point stands, we cannot say what we like.

 

As for should Stelling be subjected to the same rules and expectations as a political commentator, yes he should.

 

So to be fair, what did I get wrong? Did Stelling break the law?

 

Was he unprofessional?

 

Did I not say that Stelling "is allowed to comment in whatever opinion he chooses" - did I say he can say whatever he likes whether it's true or not? Did I say he is immune from libel and defamation laws?No.

[CB Fry]

That really is rich coming from you.

 

I got upset about people on this forum defaming the name of our greatest ever player.

 

You're ****ing your little pants about a Sky journalist having a pop at our chief executive. Our chief executive.

 

My hero was a brilliant player, an inspiration to me and my brothers and without doubt the reason I love Saints. Yours is some bloke in a suit.

[Crazy Diamond]

CB Fry - I've read my McNae's. A journalist is at risk if their reports are not fair, accurate or contemporaneous. You are indeed right, the defamation act applies.

 

Legod Third Coming - My point was that journalists cannot say whatever they want. Far, far from it.

 

As for him being unprofessional, I think he was. Absolutely. Why should he get involved? But this whole scenario of Cortese vs Le Tissier is. I'm not going to take sides in it and I would hope that many take the same attitude towards it. I hope Cortese and Le Tissier sort it out one day.

 

I got upset about people on this forum defaming the name of our greatest ever player.

 

You're ****ing your little pants about a Sky journalist having a pop at our chief executive. Our chief executive.

 

My hero was a brilliant player, an inspiration to me and my brothers and without doubt the reason I love Saints. Yours is some bloke in a suit.

 

No I'm not.

 

And when did I say my hero was Nicola Cortese? I have time for both parties, and I think they're fast becoming as bad as each other.

[Legod Third Coming]

CB Fry - I've read my McNae's. A journalist is at risk if their reports are not fair, accurate or contemporaneous. You are indeed right, the defamation act applies.

 

Legod Third Coming - My point was that journalists cannot say whatever they want. Far, far from it.

 

As for him being unprofessional, I think he was. Absolutely. Why should he get involved? But this whole scenario of Cortese vs Le Tissier is. I'm not going to take sides in it and I would hope that many take the same attitude towards it. I hope Cortese and Le Tissier sort it out one day.

 

 

 

No I'm not.

 

And when did I say my hero was Nicola Cortese? I have time for both parties, and I think they're fast becoming as bad as each other.

 

At no point did I say journalists can say whatever they want - your apology is graciously accepted (despite your somwhat 'willy waving' I'm a journalist approach -these things happen in the internet)

 

As for Stelling's professionalism, I will say again that I wager 70% plus of the watching audience agree with his stance. Whether his stance is right or wrong, he was clearly stating an opinion and one shared by a large audience watching that very programme. I do not question the professionalism of Rod Little or Richard Littlejohn while I find their views most often morally repugnant.

 

While I disapprove of what you say, I will defend to the death your right to say it - Voltaire....

[Saint J 77]

I don't think former players paying for their tickets should be seen as such a big deal, its not like they can't afford it. There of lots of other fans like myself who seriously have to consider whether to splash the cash in these difficult times. It would be more of an issue if Nicola Cortese was saying former players and managers weren't welcome at all. which he is not. Both Matt and Lawrie have my 100% respect for what each did for the club in their time here and they always will. But it does concern me they are making such an issue of this, Why weren't they making as much noise when Lowe was literally tearing the club apart? I do think its stupid to have a feud over this though. Its not good for the clubs image to give the press something to bite their teeth into and be negitive about us with.

 

I wish all involved would take the time out to chat to each other. How about as long as they pay they are always guaranteed seats, even in sell out matches? I feel on the whole Cortese is doing a great Job and although not perfect, without him we would be alot worse off, in fact I don't think its an understatement to say that we probably wouldn't even exist now. This is our best start to a season ever and that just wouldn't happen if things behind the scenes were not right. Why try and help let the press have a field day with this and unsettle us? My hope is one day very soon they will sort it out privately together and let the club keep moving in the right direction.

[St Marco]

As i said before Cortese should not be giving these interviews full stop. Asked anything at all about the feud he should of had enough sense to not answer.

/QUOTE]

 

But, it's ok for everyone on here to have an opinion, but not NC, are you for real?

 

He is entitled to an opinion of course. Just in that sense he should keep it to himself. What purpose does it serve?

 

Personally as i mentioned i don't think what he said was an insult. Someone would have to be very thin skinned to find that offensive.

[Gordon Mockles]

That really is rich coming from you.

 

That is fair comment. CB Fry does have a propensity for chastising & getting harshly worked up by any differing opinion. However, much of the opinion on this forum is ridiculously fickle & missing the point hence my lack

of posting these days. It gets tedious arguing with so many trolls. Just look at the reactions to reports of a nasty but widely witnessed incident with Seaborne & people seem to antagonise & belittle anyone who dare pass info. from the real world cos nothing happens in their cyber world & they don't know so it's clearly a lie. Extraordinary viewpoint. I understand why many ggave up posting transfer rumours.

 

Back on track, it's not the first Stelling rant. Pretty poor when Matt Le Tiss struggled to get tickets for a game, even paying. I think it's clear, despite running the club well, Cortese is juvenile & petty. Little man syndrome. Look at the snipe at Oxo leaving. Smacks of a spoilt or only child who is used to getting their own way. Shame really.

[Wes Tender]

I got upset about people on this forum defaming the name of our greatest ever player.

 

 

I enjoyed massively watching MLT the player and am eternally grateful for the part he played in keeping us in the Premiership for so long and against all the odds. He is arguably the greatest player this club has ever produced.

 

But that doesn't mean that he is somehow immune from criticism for his actions in any involvement in matters affecting the club when he has long since ceased to be a player. And it is also possible for an individual to defame their own good name without help from others.

 

Where sensible people can acknowledge that Cortese has done a great job in many areas, but is not above criticism in others, why should the same not apply to MLT, L Mac?

[Cricketphilly]

ah, you lay the blame solely at the door of NC..?they are all as bad as each other..but lets not pretend this is a big deal ffs..far more important things going on at the club than if a great gerat player who is a multi millionaire is entitled to free tickets..

 

Who thinks Le Tissier is a multi millionaire?

[Dig Dig]

Who thinks Le Tissier is a multi millionaire?

 

Even if he isn't, you don't need to be a millionaire in order to buy tickets. I don't think that money is the issue anyway but I've also wondered why freebies and and such perks are afforded to those who need them the least.

[K,Billy's supersound]

Who thinks Le Tissier is a multi millionaire?

 

he was paid well by southampton and did alright out of the sale of the old dell. is now paid by sky for sitting and talking about football, he aint doing to bad that he can't afford a ticket ffs.

[Cricketphilly]

he was paid well by southampton and did alright out of the sale of the old dell. is now paid by sky for sitting and talking about football, he aint doing to bad that he can't afford a ticket ffs.

 

Completely agree, but I doubt he's a multi millionaire that's all. The analogy about the sale of the Dell lost me though.

[Legod Third Coming]

Even if he isn't, you don't need to be a millionaire in order to buy tickets. I don't think that money is the issue anyway but I've also wondered why freebies and and such perks are afforded to those who need them the least.

 

Because:

 

1. They are given as gratitude for a job well done. Can you imagine the scenario in which Sir Bobby Charlton was asked to pay for a ticket to watch Manchester United?

 

2. They are given on the basis that the recipient understands the deal - they help to promote the club positively in the press and among their friends/contacts.

 

This really isn't hard. You shop in Tesco all the time. What do you get? Shopping. You work in Tesco what do you get? 20%+ OFF your Tesco bills. Jesus my missus used to work for a bank. Guess what she gets, FREE banking!

 

Either we have the naivest least intelligent fans in the world or people are being deliberately obtuse or thick.

 

I had the good fortune to work for a sporting institution for just over a year. Result, they invite me to events whenever they have a spare ticket or little bit of hospitality going which they have don't have someone more important to invite. Net result? I am extremely grateful and in return have introduced hospitality, sponsorship and PR to the sport. This is not hard. Do I feel I should pay every time because I can afford it? No. Do I phone up and abuse it? No. It's a trade. Every grown up knows the game.

[Danish Saint]

 

2. They are given on the basis that the recipient understands the deal - they help to promote the club positively in the press and among their friends/contacts.

 

 

You may actually have found the reason behind it all. Does Le Tissier, Lawrie Mac and others promote the club positively in the press and among friends and contacts?

Certainly there's room for improvement.

[saintjay77]

You may actually have found the reason behind it all. Does Le Tissier, Lawrie Mac and others promote the club positively in the press and among friends and contacts?

Certainly there's room for improvement.

 

Would a free seat at our home games mean that the men who seem opposed to NC then become his loyal followers? Should it work like that?

 

It all seems a bit petty to be honest but it doesnt look like any party really wants to back down. Its a shame but hopefully they will all keep quite and let it pass over.

[Danish Saint]

Would a free seat at our home games mean that the men who seem opposed to NC then become his loyal followers? Should it work like that?

 

It all seems a bit petty to be honest but it doesnt look like any party really wants to back down. Its a shame but hopefully they will all keep quite and let it pass over.

 

It is all very petty, no argument here with that, and it does seem like a clash of ego's more than anything.

A shame it's taking place in the media, but hopefully they'll bury the hatchet sooner than later.

[Fan The Flames]

Hang on a minute how did MLT gain financially out of the sale of The Dell.

[um pahars]

You may actually have found the reason behind it all. Does Le Tissier, Lawrie Mac and others promote the club positively in the press and among friends and contacts?

Certainly there's room for improvement.

 

I commented a couple of weeks ago that it looks as though this spat had petered out as both Matty and Lawrie had been very supportive of the Club in recent weeks and they had both been at recent games (Then Saturday Comes!!).

[Frank's cousin]

Thing is UP... yes NC was probably misguided in that interview but given that we dont know the sequence of questions or responses, its difficult to be sure as to how misguided... I dont for one minute believe he is naive, but if intentional, it is difficult to see what strategic value or what was to be gained from this... so jury has to stay out on that, but I would hazzard a guess that teh sequence in which teh responses were published has made teh whole thing far more 'interesting' to the media. So own goal for NC

 

However, as you say both MLT and LM recently being very complimentary about the club, (even if not NC), so although I appreciate its difficult to avoid teh desire to 'defend' or retaliate to such media comment, what did they have to gain form it? I doubt Stelling would have made his rant had LT suggested it would not be wise to do so, or wished it played down. I know he did not comment, but if Stelling is a 'mate' and given the large publioc audience, what was Stelling hoping to achieve on behalf of his mates?

 

1-1 draw (both own goals IMHO). Sad but trivial in the grand scheme of things

[Wade Garrett]

Cortese is doing a magnificent job at the club. Lawrie did a magnificent job as manager. Matty did an unbelievable job as a player.

 

Someone bang their heads together and sort this tiff out.

[jam]

Hang on a minute how did MLT gain financially out of the sale of The Dell.

 

Bigger testimonial gate.

[doddisalegend]

I would like to point out that NC likes me more than MLT as I got two free season tickets this year:)

[JackFrost]

What facts did Stelling get wrong then? I've only watched it once but it sounded like an off the cuff harmless opinion piece to me. What precisely did he say that was either

 

a) untrue

b) anything even slightly equivalent to accusing someone of being a child molester?

 

 

Or are you really getting carried away getting stupidly upset about absolutely nothing at all?

 

TBH that sums up this entire thread perfectly

[Legod Third Coming]

You may actually have found the reason behind it all. Does Le Tissier, Lawrie Mac and others promote the club positively in the press and among friends and contacts?

Certainly there's room for improvement.

 

MLT is on an internationally watched sports channel with millions of viewers around the world.

 

Tell me, who does Stelling support? Ask any football fan. They will tell you.

 

What do you think that is worth to Hartlepool United?

 

The same as it's worth to Southampton. You know as well as I do, that MLT put Southampton on the map for lots of people in their 30s and 40s who can remember him lighting up the Premiership and being disgracefully overlooked for England duty. Other fans see him and are reminded of that and what a great little club we were/are.

 

For older fans the same is true of Lawrie - I had calls from mates after a programme on the 76 Cup Final remembering what a shock it was - it too put Southampton on the map.

 

This is what any right-minded marketer of note knows about past success - it has an instrinsic value today.

 

A couple of weeks back I was at Goodwood with John Surtees. I think you'll find he last raced in anger in about 1972 but guess what, half a dozen manufacturers of cars he drove and some he simply used to own invited him - FOR FREE.

 

Shocking...

[Dig Dig]

Because:

 

1. They are given as gratitude for a job well done. Can you imagine the scenario in which Sir Bobby Charlton was asked to pay for a ticket to watch Manchester United?

 

2. They are given on the basis that the recipient understands the deal - they help to promote the club positively in the press and among their friends/contacts.

 

This really isn't hard. You shop in Tesco all the time. What do you get? Shopping. You work in Tesco what do you get? 20%+ OFF your Tesco bills. Jesus my missus used to work for a bank. Guess what she gets, FREE banking!

 

Either we have the naivest least intelligent fans in the world or people are being deliberately obtuse or thick.

 

I had the good fortune to work for a sporting institution for just over a year. Result, they invite me to events whenever they have a spare ticket or little bit of hospitality going which they have don't have someone more important to invite. Net result? I am extremely grateful and in return have introduced hospitality, sponsorship and PR to the sport. This is not hard. Do I feel I should pay every time because I can afford it? No. Do I phone up and abuse it? No. It's a trade. Every grown up knows the game.

 

It was a general musing around the culture of freebies and perks which tend to always go to those who need it the least. Not necessarily those in an offical capacity who work or represent a club/organisation.

 

Well done for over reacting though

[um pahars]

1-1 draw (both own goals IMHO). Sad but trivial in the grand scheme of things

 

I'd say more like 5-5 (all own goals).

 

I've never said anything other than both sides are as bad as each other, with both responding to the others jibes. On occasions Benali restarted the squabble, on others it was Matty or Lawrie and on this occasion Cortese has reignited the b1tchfest.

 

As Kraken and C B Fry have mentioned I just find it strange how some fail to accept that Cortese may have played a negative role in this and at the same time are only too keen to launch in to others, whilst not being as even handed with another of the protagonists.

 

And I've constantly said that I wished it was either brought to a halt and everyone kept their thoughts to themselves or that hopefully someone could broker a meeting to get all the parties pulling together for the benefit of the Club.

[Legod Third Coming]

It was a general musing around the culture of freebies and perks which tend to always go to those who need it the least. Not necessarily those in an offical capacity who work or represent a club/organisation.

 

Well done for over reacting though

 

Then posting it on a thread not linked to two people who DID work for SFC might have given a clue...

 

It wasn't directed at your post but the continuing people on this thread who say that because they pay an organisation for something, they are more entitled than those who work for the organisation, or that just because someone has been well paid for a job they suddenly have no rights to any form of loyalty or perks, does my head in.

 

Pay/remuneration reflects what someone contributes every day. Post-employment perks most often go to those who contributed something above and beyond - not always but most often. There's nowt wrong with that in my book.

 

If that was too forcefully communicated then I apologise.

 

Onto your general point, freebies and perks for most people are given as a trade - and the sad reality of life is that those with most to trade will get most perks. I don't like it either...

[Charlie Wayman]

WTF is Stelling?

[BARCELONASAINT]

I'm not going to take sides here as personally i think its a great shame that things have come to this and i dont believe one party is more right than the other. I will for my tuppence worth say this:- a fan that attends every home game year in year out is as much a contributing factor to the success of a club as any player or manager. Take away those thousands of fans that attend year in and year out and there would be no SFC......No player, manager or chairman is bigger than the club...The fans are the club and we dont ask for anything for supporting our club and digging deep into our pockets!!

[doddisalegend]

I'm not going to take sides here as personally i think its a great shame that things have come to this and i dont believe one party is more right than the other. I will for my tuppence worth say this:- a fan that attends every home game year in year out is as much a contributing factor to the success of a club as any player or manager. Take away those thousands of fans that attend year in and year out and there would be no SFC......No player, manager or chairman is bigger than the club...The fans are the club and we dont ask for anything for supporting our club and digging deep into our pockets!!

 

Other than £5million + stikers, instant on pitch success, free parking, cheap tickets and nice half time food you mean..........