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um pahars

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We don't know what that question was. It could of been "MLT and LM have been quite vocal about their opinion on you haven't they?".

 

And a possible answer could have been:

 

"With all the good things going on around the Club at the moment I would rather focus on the positives. We're doing well on and off the pitch, so would rather not go back over old ground. Let's focus on our great start to the season and our ambitions for the future".

 

For someone so shrewd and sharp, it should have been fairly simple to side step this issue.

 

But in comparison to what MLT and LM have said about him in the past it is pretty mild....

 

Cortese was fairly savage about Matty's role in the Pinnacle take over a little while back. Obviously people will judge the digs/insults differently, but I think it is unfair to say it's one way traffic, or that one side has been worse than the other as both sides have displayed a great degree of ego, posturing and immature behaviour.

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Thedelldays

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Well the newspaper puts it into a context. If that context is incorrect and he has been misquoted or his quotes used to insinuate something that was incorrect, then if Cortese contacts them they could quite easily print a clarification. Cortese could even print something on the OS if he feels his quotes have been taken out of context. Either he isn't bothered about how he comes across (which seems unlikely seeing as he did the article in the first place) or the article is accurate IMO.

 

I would guess he is not bothered... Hardly important and anything to do with what matters..... The team

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If he wasn't bothered about how he came across then he wouldn't have done the interview in the first place.

 

Maybe he did to shut people up that complain he does not speak enough

 

 

Again it such a mountain out of nothing. They don't like each other (MLT and NC) neither are prepared to be the bigger one in public and say sorry, offer an olive branch.... So what do we do. Take sides, hound NC out, slag Matty off??

 

Or just get on with life and realise this is nothing but two men having digs at each other now and then

Matty still goes to games, we all love him and saints are top of the league with Nigel and NC

 

Big fecking deal

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And a possible answer could have been:

 

"With all the good things going on around the Club at the moment I would rather focus on the positives. We're doing well on and off the pitch, so would rather not go back over old ground. Let's focus on our great start to the season and our ambitions for the future".

 

For someone so shrewd and sharp, it should have been fairly simple to side step this issue.

 

 

 

Cortese was fairly savage about Matty's role in the Pinnacle take over a little while back. Obviously people will judge the digs/insults differently, but I think it is unfair to say it's one way traffic, or that one side has been worse than the other as both sides have displayed a great degree of ego, posturing and immature behaviour.

 

As i said before Cortese should not be giving these interviews full stop. Asked anything at all about the feud he should of had enough sense to not answer.

 

BUT

 

What he said if you look at it is not actually a dig in the same way saying something like "You would be mad to work under this chairman". Those are personal insults. Saying he has been criticised by MLT and LM isn't actually an insult, it is a confirmation that they have a feud going on. There is a difference. If he came out and said something like "MLT great player, but a bloody cheapskate, never offers to pay for anything" etc something like that then it would be a proper insult.

 

The freebies comment is the issue and as mentioned we don't know if that question was asked alongside the MLT and LM one. It could of been said at anytime during the interview and the journalist moved it to that place in the article for effect. That is what they do. Controversy creates cash/website hits as they say.

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As i said before Cortese should not be giving these interviews full stop. Asked anything at all about the feud he should of had enough sense to not answer.

 

BUT

 

What he said if you look at it is not actually a dig in the same way saying something like "You would be mad to work under this chairman". Those are personal insults. Saying he has been criticised by MLT and LM isn't actually an insult, it is a confirmation that they have a feud going on. There is a difference. If he came out and said something like "MLT great player, but a bloody cheapskate, never offers to pay for anything" etc something like that then it would be a proper insult.

 

The freebies comment is the issue and as mentioned we don't know if that question was asked alongside the MLT and LM one. It could of been said at anytime during the interview and the journalist moved it to that place in the article for effect. That is what they do. Controversy creates cash/website hits as they say.

 

Are we looking at the degrees of the insults now? Both are equally as bad, but Cortese is the chairman of the club and thus has added responsibility.

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Are we looking at the degrees of the insults now? Both are equally as bad, but Cortese is the chairman of the club and thus has added responsibility.

 

No not the degrees of the insult, if one is really an insult at all. Confirming that there is a feud is not an insult.

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I think a lot of it is blown up by the media and the best blowers of them all, Sky.

 

Cortese and MLT appeared to start off on the wrong foot with MLT wrongly backing Pinnacle and the Fialka Fiasco even if he did it for the right reasons.

 

But largely, it's a complete non-issue

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um pahars

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No not the degrees of the insult, if one is really an insult at all. Confirming that there is a feud is not an insult.

 

It's been going both ways for quite a while now.

 

Cortese at one point was accusing MLT and others of seeking to harm the club in pursuit of their personal agendas, whilst MLT and others have been giving it some as well.

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Thedelldays

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But bothered enough to bring it up in an interview when everything appeared to have died down???

 

Or answer a question?

Can't say he went into much

 

My guessing is that he does nit really care and sees this for what it is. A load Of hot air

 

The two people I'm question dont rate each other. They have digs at each other. Not a great deal is going to change

 

Meanwhile, the world of the Internet ,micro analyse the whole affair

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What a lot of tripe! Stelling is a nobody,I don't give a **** what he says and im sure nicola cares even less. As much as i love matty I agree 100% with what nicola says.this club has had far to many hangers on for years.I'm sure its not his intention but matty has fuelled the flames and should just keep quiet

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hypochondriac

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What a lot of tripe! Stelling is a nobody,I don't give a **** what he says and im sure nicola cares even less. As much as i love matty I agree 100% with what nicola says.this club has had far to many hangers on for years.I'm sure its not his intention but matty has fuelled the flames and should just keep quiet

 

So should cortese. He has done exactly the same thing, not just with this article but previously.

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Legod Third Coming

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So if you honestly believe that somebody like Stelling can go off on a rant in defence of a mate without presumably asking for a balancing comment from the other side of the fence, then that smacks to me of a personal agenda and therefore unprofessional.

 

Apparently you do not see the difference between expressing an opinion on whether a team needs a new goalkeeper, whether a manager might have reached the limits of his capability to take a team any further and a situation where he probably does not know the entire background and is therefore prepared to go off at half-cock because of personal loyalties.

 

But still, if you're happy with that and don't question the lack of professionalism in it, then good for you.:rolleyes: Each to their own.

 

My friend, I take it you have never read a newspaper in this country?

 

The Times, Telegraph, Guardian... They all run 'Opinion' - it is exactly that.

 

Do you think the general publice are so stupid that they might have needed a warning that Stelling's thoughts are his opinion in this case??

 

It seems to me that anyone who questions Cortese is now rendered as having a completely invalidated opinion.

 

 

How many people on this forum have TURNED against Jeff Stelling because he has a different opinion to theirs on this one issue?

 

It's totally f u c king bonkers.

 

And genuinely, this is how dictators achieve power and stay there.

 

If you were to canvas football fans today and ask them who was 'right', my gut tells me that well over 75% would side with Le Tiss.

 

Does it matter? No.

 

But Stelling is speaking for HIS viewers voicing his opinion. And most of them will agree with him.

 

It's only lunatics on here who think he is some satanic force at work... Mad. Totally bloody mad.

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Legod Third Coming

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Maybe he did to shut people up that complain he does not speak enough

 

 

Again it such a mountain out of nothing. They don't like each other (MLT and NC) neither are prepared to be the bigger one in public and say sorry, offer an olive branch.... So what do we do. Take sides, hound NC out, slag Matty off??

 

Or just get on with life and realise this is nothing but two men having digs at each other now and then

Matty still goes to games, we all love him and saints are top of the league with Nigel and NC

 

Big fecking deal

 

Agreed. It doesn't matter. And it doesn't seem to affect our results.

So why are people calling for the best sports-presenter on television to be 'disciplined'?

Mental.

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Nic has had it easy in the criticism stakes compared to Hoddle, Ian Branfoot and Carlton Palmer (amongst others) last night. The swear filter won't permit me to direct quote them, not nice things to say about someone though, not just to get a few laughs anyway.They also criticised the low turnout at the HFH match, in effect the audience. Maybe next time they could.donate their collective Gaumont takings and keep the gate receipts for themselves.To be completely.frank and honest, I am glad I.didn't pay for my ticket last night. it was crap. imho of course.

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My friend, I take it you have never read a newspaper in this country?

 

The Times, Telegraph, Guardian... They all run 'Opinion' - it is exactly that.

 

Do you think the general publice are so stupid that they might have needed a warning that Stelling's thoughts are his opinion in this case??

 

It seems to me that anyone who questions Cortese is now rendered as having a completely invalidated opinion.

 

 

How many people on this forum have TURNED against Jeff Stelling because he has a different opinion to theirs on this one issue?

 

It's totally f u c king bonkers.

 

And genuinely, this is how dictators achieve power and stay there.

 

If you were to canvas football fans today and ask them who was 'right', my gut tells me that well over 75% would side with Le Tiss.

 

Does it matter? No.

 

But Stelling is speaking for HIS viewers voicing his opinion. And most of them will agree with him.

 

It's only lunatics on here who think he is some satanic force at work... Mad. Totally bloody mad.

good post andthats how most see it i expect.
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Why do we have fans that must hate the person in charge?

 

Nothing better to do, no life, not getting enough........ the list is endless, I personally cant understand why they dont/cant enjoy success.

 

On the way to the top you tread on some toes, mainly the toes of those who want it themselves but cant get it.

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Yeah but Benali and Cortese have a problem about the supposed damage to a house. It isn't actually anything to do with the club or history of the club etc. If i remember right it was Benali refusing to give the deposit back. Seeing as it has been 2 years and they have not gone to court you have to wonder how true it was in the first place.

 

I thought it was accepted that Leftback who was posting on here until banned was in fact Benali.

If so, its clear he can't stand Cortese.

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With all due respect to Stelling, it was not remotely unprofessional.The guy is a journalist and is allowed to comment in whatever opinion he chooses.

 

I'm going to use your rules to reply to this point.

 

What you don't know about journalism could fill a warehouse.

 

There is such a thing called the LAW. The law states that journalism must be 'fair, accurate and contemporaneous'. To suggest we can say whatever we want about whatever we want is incredibly stupid.

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Legod Third Coming

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I'm going to use your rules to reply to this point.

 

What you don't know about journalism could fill a warehouse.

 

There is such a thing called the LAW. The law states that journalism must be 'fair, accurate and contemporaneous'. To suggest we can say whatever we want about whatever we want is incredibly stupid.

 

Then how is it possible that Littlejohn, Little and a myriad other journalists can write opinion pieces ranging from support for bringing back the death penalty to, frankly, the most right wing propoganda one could hope to avoid?

 

How can Paul Merson call for Arsene Wenger to be sacked while in his role as media pundit??

 

Explain?

 

And are we really suggesting that a sports presenter is subject to the same rules and expectations (irrespective of the law) as a political commentator??

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Legod Third Coming

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Presumably - not that I know anything about the law - a journalist can express 'fair comment and criticism' as per this American example of defence aganist libel...

 

Fair Comment & Criticism This defense covers expressions of opinion, everything from movie reviews to columns on the op-ed page. The fair comment and criticism defense allows reporters to express opinions no matter how scathing or critical. Examples might include a rock critic ripping into the latest Britney Spears CD, or a political columnist writing that she believes President Bush is doing a horrible job.

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I can tell you for a fact that Matt pays for every ticket he gets be it from Southampton or any other club.

 

He is treated the same as any other fan is when it comes to purchasing tickets.

 

A certain someone forgot to mention a few things in his tell tale story to the sun.

 

 

For legal reasons I must add this is what I heard and can't say for one minute it's true or false

 

Someone's wife even gets her nails done courtesy of Southampton football club.

 

Not sure who's wife though

 

Just what I heard like.

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I can tell you for a fact that Matt pays for every ticket he gets be it from Southampton or any other club.

 

He is treated the same as any other fan is when it comes to purchasing tickets.

 

A certain someone forgot to mention a few things in his tell tale story to the sun.

 

 

For legal reasons I must add this is what I heard and can't say for one minute it's true or false

 

Someone's wife even gets her nails done courtesy of Southampton football club.

 

Not sure who's wife though

 

Just what I heard like.

 

:lol:

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I'm going to use your rules to reply to this point.

 

What you don't know about journalism could fill a warehouse.

 

There is such a thing called the LAW. The law states that journalism must be 'fair, accurate and contemporaneous'. To suggest we can say whatever we want about whatever we want is incredibly stupid.

 

 

If you think it is against the law for journalists to be unfair and inaccurate then you really are dumb.

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Then how is it possible that Littlejohn, Little and a myriad other journalists can write opinion pieces ranging from support for bringing back the death penalty to, frankly, the most right wing propoganda one could hope to avoid?

 

How can Paul Merson call for Arsene Wenger to be sacked while in his role as media pundit??

 

Explain?

 

And are we really suggesting that a sports presenter is subject to the same rules and expectations (irrespective of the law) as a political commentator??

 

It's about facts and opinions.

 

In Littlejohn's opinion, the death penalty should be brought back.

 

When someone says it is fact that something is happening and it's not, that's when the law gets involved. I can't write that someone is a child molester when they aren't. My point stands, we cannot say what we like.

 

As for should Stelling be subjected to the same rules and expectations as a political commentator, yes he should.

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