dune Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Surprise surprise. I bet you cant wait for Cortese to leave, so then you can have a go at the next Chairman of our club, Imo it is you and people who are like you on here that are jealous as you are the ones who wants to be at the helm No, i'd like to see Cortese apologise like a man for acting disgracefully. Is that too much to ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan17 Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Absolute cobblers........I met Jeff Stelling a number of years ago and he is definately not a fan of Rupert Lowe. Back too whether MLT should get free tickets or preferrential treatment - absolutely. Would you expect Bobby Charlton, David Beckham, Eric Cantona et al to ever have to buy a ticket at Old Trafford? Of course not....and MLT is as important to Saints as those players were to Man Utd I never said that MLT should not get free tickets. Can only go by what I have been told about the Stelling Lowe connection. One of my best mates' dad knows Jeff very well. Maybe me saying that I know for a "fact" was incorrect, but I trust what I have heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedgeEnder Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 I never said that MLT should not get free tickets. Can only go by what I have been told about the Stelling Lowe connection. One of my best mates' dad knows Jeff very well. Maybe me saying that I know for a "fact" was incorrect, but I trust what I have heard. OK all I know is when I met JS (about 8 years ago) he was very critical of Rupert Lowe because of way he treated Lawrie Mac. But I guess things could have changed since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza82 Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 No, i'd like to see Cortese apologise like a man for acting disgracefully. When has he acted disgracefully? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintrich Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 No, i'd like to see Cortese apologise like a man for acting disgracefully. Is that too much to ask? Where in the article is Cortese slagging off Le Tissier? The mention of Le Tissier and Mcmememy in the newest sun article, is because he had originally stated he had a problem with them. Le Tiss (Pinnacle) and Mcmenemy (Tickets) he then mentions free-bies which is an apparent dig at Mcmemeny, not Le Tissier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 What we need to realise is that Stelling isn't a neutral in all this, he's standing up for his mate(s). Which he's entitled to do. That doesn't mean we need to take it all as gospel that MLT/LM are perfect in all of this, because they aren't. All as bad as eachother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 The fact is that Cortese has made a rule that everyone must purchase their ticket, whoever they may be, and he sets the example. If this rule is ever relaxed MLT and LM should be the first to get free entry imo. (But remember, too many freebies were one of the reasons SLH/SFC got into financial trouble. . I take it you've got the figures to back this up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 What we need to realise is that Stelling isn't a neutral in all this, he's standing up for his mate(s). Yep. And any decent Saints fan should stand up for MLT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Yep. And any decent Saints fan should stand up for MLT. If you do not control your emotion, your emotion will control you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Yep. And any decent Saints fan should stand up for MLT. I dont agree that they are as bad as one another in this case.I wasnt happy with cortese not turning up to the 125 years thing at the mayflower but since then parity seemed to have broken out and things calmed down. Then cortese is naive with the article today. I think the best thing nicola could do is just sort it all out as he should with the echo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 I think this entire thing is pathetic and both sides need to take a long look at themselves. However, this whole 'Pardew was sacked because he wasn't a yes man' thing... If Adkins is a 'yes man', then it's fine by me. Our 'yes man' is doing quite alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 If you do not control your emotion, your emotion will control you. Have you been watching star wars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Have you been watching star wars? No. But I have been reading a lot more Saintsweb then usual.... even for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 I think this entire thing is pathetic and both sides need to take a long look at themselves. However, this whole 'Pardew was sacked because he wasn't a yes man' thing... If Adkins is a 'yes man', then it's fine by me. Our 'yes man' is doing quite alright. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 It would appear that Cortese still bears a grudge against Matty over a couple of issues, otherwise why bring his name up in today's interview. With so much positive news to focus on surely you should be asking why does Cortese have to mention his name??? He has been openly critical of Matty's role in the Pinnacle affair and he also had a go about Matty offering up his opinion about things at the Club (Inc the Pardew affair) Where does NC quote MLT ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie@home Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 We don't really know what Cortese said - this was in the Sun, don't forget, where they are quite happy to make stories up. As everything is going so well at the moment, they couldn't find anything else of a controversial nature. Look what the Sun said about Hillsborough. At first hand, I can tell of another instance - the Sun tried to portray Mike, the Welsh supporter killed at Wembley the other week as a football hooligan with a long criminal record - the truth was he got caught running on the pitch once when he was a teenager 20 odd years ago. If there aren't many stories around, the tabloids will try to create them. And it's not Jeff Stelling's job to poke his nose in either, when it's nothing to do with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbury Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 MLT is a legend, I and most of us on this forum had the great fortune to watch him play. I'd much rather be mid table in League 2 than top of the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 MLT is a legend, I and most of us on this forum had the great fortune to watch him play. I'd much rather be mid table in League 2 than top of the Championship. errr? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 Where does NC quote MLT ?? He brings his name up in the interview. He doesn't quote him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 MLT is a legend, I and most of us on this forum had the great fortune to watch him play. I'd much rather be mid table in League 2 than top of the Championship. WTF are you on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 When Cortese came in he said two things about freebies, 1) There weren't going to be any and Markus and he were buying their own. 2) All those ex club officials, servants were welcome in the Directors Box but would have to pay, presumably the corporate rate. If that is what he wants to do it's fine by me. Everybody pays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 When Cortese came in he said two things about freebies, 1) There weren't going to be any and Markus and he were buying their own. 2) All those ex club officials, servants were welcome in the Directors Box but would have to pay, presumably the corporate rate. If that is what he wants to do it's fine by me. Everybody pays. Exactly. Liebherr bought the club and put Cortese in charge - he makes the rules. What he has done to turn the club around in 3 years is fantastic so I'm not sure why people moan? He might rub people up the wrong way but football is a murky world and I am glad he is someone not to mess with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 MLT is a legend, I and most of us on this forum had the great fortune to watch him play. I'd much rather be mid table in League 2 than top of the Championship. I have seen many stupid, ill thought out posts on this forum but this comes close to taking the biscuit. WTF is the matter with people on here?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 I see Hypo and Dune are continuing to ruin this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 MLT is a legend, I and most of us on this forum had the great fortune to watch him play. I'd much rather be mid table in League 2 than top of the Championship. I do so hope this is just ironic humour......otherwise WTF ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 I have been watching Saints for over 50 years. I have seen Paine, Sydenham, Channon, Keegan, Ball and all of the others. IMHO Le Tiss has been the best. He has given so much pleasure and enjoyment over the years and shown great loyalty to the club. BUT whilst I would be happy for him and LM to get free entry to matches I am not running the club. I want Saints to be successful and I want a team to be proud of. I might be an old git but I think about the future not the past. The past is gone. Where do you draw the line on freebies? I could name dozens of players who provided great service to the club. Do they all qualify for freebies? I want Saints to get promoted. I want Saints to compete in the PL. I want Saints to compete in the CL. Will it happen? No idea, but I would rather concentrate on these things rather than petty, agenda-orientated arguments which can only cause disruption. Some people really need to grow up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 MLT is a legend, I and most of us on this forum had the great fortune to watch him play. I'd much rather be mid table in League 2 than top of the Championship. didnt see this beauty pop up. mental ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 Why is everyone banging on about freebies? I don't remember Mat le tiss ever saying he expects freebies. The Man U game last year he just wanted the chance to BUY tickets for his mates. That's arguably the club's greatest and loyalist player, wanting to spend his hard earned money on some tickets and told he wasn't allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 MLT is a legend, I and most of us on this forum had the great fortune to watch him play. I'd much rather be mid table in League 2 than top of the Championship. Has to be one of the most stupid comments ever made on here, and boy have there been some. Hope you are joking otherwise think you are in a minority of slightly less than one. I thought this forum was for supporters of Southampton Football Club, not a fan club for teenyboppers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 Why is everyone banging on about freebies? I don't remember Mat le tiss ever saying he expects freebies. The Man U game last year he just wanted the chance to BUY tickets for his mates. That's arguably the club's greatest and loyalist player, wanting to spend his hard earned money on some tickets and told he wasn't allowed. But this is the point, the comments by NC were not directed at MLT anyway, it was a general comment about all sorts of people expecting freebies, perhaps directed at Lawrie Mac. As you say MLT never expected freebies, but was denied extra tickets for his mates in the same way everyone else was. This whole spat has really only grown legs because Stelling poked his nose in where it was not needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 Why is everyone banging on about freebies? I don't remember Mat le tiss ever saying he expects freebies. The Man U game last year he just wanted the chance to BUY tickets for his mates. That's arguably the club's greatest and loyalist player, wanting to spend his hard earned money on some tickets and told he wasn't allowed. If people with a past connection to the club can get treatment that the general public doesn't get, where do you draw the line? If Richard Dryden phones up and wants 8 tickets for his mates, do you let him or tell him he isn't as worthy as Le Tissier? A better policy is just to make everyone with a previous connection to the club pay their way and have the same access to tickets as the general public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 But this is the point, the comments by NC were not directed at MLT anyway, it was a general comment about all sorts of people expecting freebies, perhaps directed at Lawrie Mac. As you say MLT never expected freebies, but was denied extra tickets for his mates in the same way everyone else was. This whole spat has really only grown legs because Stelling poked his nose in where it was not needed. Unfortunately it wasnt just spray-tanned face-lifted Stelling. Did you not watch the clip ? There was MLT sat smugly in the background. He was blatently expecting Stelling rant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 This whole spat has really only grown legs because Stelling poked his nose in where it was not needed. This spat already had two threads going on it a few hours following Cortese's interview in The Sun, one well in to its fourth page, before Stelling waded in with his size 12's. And this spat has had many threads, posts & debate in the past as each one of them (Cortese, MLT, Benali & Lawrie) has taken it in turns to have a little dig! Cortese, not Stelling, has given this sorry spat its legs this time I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 When Cortese came in he said two things about freebies, 1) There weren't going to be any and Markus and he were buying their own. 2) All those ex club officials, servants were welcome in the Directors Box but would have to pay, presumably the corporate rate. If that is what he wants to do it's fine by me. Everybody pays. LM (or anyone else) aside.. Cortese was right to object to the "freebie " culture. It is said, " there aren't any free lunches..." but it sounds as if there may have been an " understanding " amongst a lot of people that former players were worthy of a free ticket , or two ..or three ..or TEN? maybe under former administrations. Going back some time, there were some unsavoury stories about players "selling " Cup Final tickets that were actually destined for their family / friends. Or maybe their " friends" ....and a load of " camp-followers "....and some WANNABE's (?) ..I'm sure there must be some experience from correspondents here that might prove that the " freebie " system wasn't just limited to former heroes, but was far more widespread than previously known. ? If Cortese buys his own ticket, he sets a good example..if he buys tickets for his guests, thats right too..if someone has a Corporate " Box" they can entertain who they like...thats right. Beyond that..you pay. I've been a fan for ..50 years. My father bought my first ticket, after that my pocket money, and wages paid the rest. The only time I didn't need to pay for a ticket, I was someone else's guest and they paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 If people with a past connection to the club can get treatment that the general public doesn't get, where do you draw the line? If Richard Dryden phones up and wants 8 tickets for his mates, do you let him or tell him he isn't as worthy as Le Tissier? A better policy is just to make everyone with a previous connection to the club pay their way and have the same access to tickets as the general public. You can easily draw a line, one could be: people with parts of St Marys named after them can buy some tickets for their friends. If Richard Dryden had phoned up and wanted 8 tickets for his mates the club would have made another £240 odd, so yes, it would make sense to let him have tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertySFC Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 Why should they have free tickets ???? Don't see the argument at all - yes I'm sure every one appreciates what past players / managers have done for SFC over the years but by making everyone pay NC removes ALL of the favouritism to ALL people - Just who is to say that they deserve free tickets ??? Are we suggesting that relatives of Bobby Stokes have tickets ? Maybe we should give free tickets to AOC Dad - after all he has just given the club £12m - if you give free to one to have to justify when you don't to others - When I was a social worker I was not entitled to free social care ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 I am firmly in the Cortese camp on this one. Does MLT come to every home game? No, he does his job at Sky. As soon as we have attractive fixture at SMS like Man Utd he has mates bending his ear to get them tickets, so he assumes he can drop his name and get as many as he wants. Why should he and other ex players get tickets for games like this meaning some fans may miss out? Hire a box if you want to be there so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waggy Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 I have been watching Saints for over 50 years. I have seen Paine, Sydenham, Channon, Keegan, Ball and all of the others. IMHO Le Tiss has been the best. He has given so much pleasure and enjoyment over the years and shown great loyalty to the club. BUT whilst I would be happy for him and LM to get free entry to matches I am not running the club. I want Saints to be successful and I want a team to be proud of. I might be an old git but I think about the future not the past. The past is gone. Where do you draw the line on freebies? I could name dozens of players who provided great service to the club. Do they all qualify for freebies? I want Saints to get promoted. I want Saints to compete in the PL. I want Saints to compete in the CL. Will it happen? No idea, but I would rather concentrate on these things rather than petty, agenda-orientated arguments which can only cause disruption. Some people really need to grow up!! with you on this one mog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 I am firmly in the Cortese camp on this one. Does MLT come to every home game? No, he does his job at Sky. As soon as we have attractive fixture at SMS like Man Utd he has mates bending his ear to get them tickets, so he assumes he can drop his name and get as many as he wants. Why should he and other ex players get tickets for games like this meaning some fans may miss out? Hire a box if you want to be there so much. well said that man ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 well said that man ! do some research. Absolute garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 This spat already had two threads going on it a few hours following Cortese's interview in The Sun, one well in to its fourth page, before Stelling waded in with his size 12's. And this spat has had many threads, posts & debate in the past as each one of them (Cortese, MLT, Benali & Lawrie) has taken it in turns to have a little dig! Cortese, not Stelling, has given this sorry spat its legs this time I'm afraid. You missed the point though. I agree there have been threads in the past, but very little was being said yesterday until Stelling poked his nose in where he should not have done. There are a lot of people who have read things that were not written or even quoted by NC, but because it mentions an idol (of some) think they know what was said and what was meant. Stelling should wind his neck in, and all should see that there is right on both sides. In the end what we all want is what is best for the Football Club, and if that upsets someone who some people consider to be a demigod then **** them. Past players and managers are a very important part of our past, our history, but some people who some folks idolise (including me with LM to some extent) need to realise that great managers and great players can also be cocks. I don't idolise MLT, I am too old for that, he was a great player, but thats all. NC has never as far as I can see accused MLT of looking for freebies, but Stelling seems to think he has, and others here seem to think the same. Personally I couldn't give a toss, all I am interested in is that Saints are successful, if some cannot embrace that and want to have a petty squabble then in my mind they can feck off. It won't make me think any less of them for their contribution to our past, but it will make me think less of them if they try to screw things up just when we are getting back on track. No-one has a right to freebies, on the other hand when people are gracious and supportive they should be and will be treated with the respect they deserve. The one thing I cannot stand is that someone who has no connection to the club has abused his position as a national celebrity/broadcaster to attack my Club. I like Jeff Stelling, but in this case his involvement was completely uncalled for and demonstrates a complete lack of prefessionalism. I hope Sky discipline him for his remarks (but don't sack him), but suspect that like all of Murdoch's empire they will not because they are all corrupt and would not understand morality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 You missed the point though. I agree there have been threads in the past, but very little was being said yesterday until Stelling poked his nose in where he should not have done. There are a lot of people who have read things that were not written or even quoted by NC, but because it mentions an idol (of some) think they know what was said and what was meant. Stelling should wind his neck in, and all should see that there is right on both sides. In the end what we all want is what is best for the Football Club, and if that upsets someone who some people consider to be a demigod then **** them. Past players and managers are a very important part of our past, our history, but some people who some folks idolise (including me with LM to some extent) need to realise that great managers and great players can also be cocks. I don't idolise MLT, I am too old for that, he was a great player, but thats all. NC has never as far as I can see accused MLT of looking for freebies, but Stelling seems to think he has, and others here seem to think the same. Personally I couldn't give a toss, all I am interested in is that Saints are successful, if some cannot embrace that and want to have a petty squabble then in my mind they can feck off. It won't make me think any less of them for their contribution to our past, but it will make me think less of them if they try to screw things up just when we are getting back on track. No-one has a right to freebies, on the other hand when people are gracious and supportive they should be and will be treated with the respect they deserve. The one thing I cannot stand is that someone who has no connection to the club has abused his position as a national celebrity/broadcaster to attack my Club. I like Jeff Stelling, but in this case his involvement was completely uncalled for and demonstrates a complete lack of prefessionalism. I hope Sky discipline him for his remarks (but don't sack him), but suspect that like all of Murdoch's empire they will not because they are all corrupt and would not understand morality. Cracking post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 You missed the point though. I agree there have been threads in the past, but very little was being said yesterday until Stelling poked his nose in where he should not have done. There are a lot of people who have read things that were not written or even quoted by NC, but because it mentions an idol (of some) think they know what was said and what was meant. Stelling should wind his neck in, and all should see that there is right on both sides. In the end what we all want is what is best for the Football Club, and if that upsets someone who some people consider to be a demigod then **** them. Past players and managers are a very important part of our past, our history, but some people who some folks idolise (including me with LM to some extent) need to realise that great managers and great players can also be cocks. I don't idolise MLT, I am too old for that, he was a great player, but thats all. NC has never as far as I can see accused MLT of looking for freebies, but Stelling seems to think he has, and others here seem to think the same. Personally I couldn't give a toss, all I am interested in is that Saints are successful, if some cannot embrace that and want to have a petty squabble then in my mind they can feck off. It won't make me think any less of them for their contribution to our past, but it will make me think less of them if they try to screw things up just when we are getting back on track. No-one has a right to freebies, on the other hand when people are gracious and supportive they should be and will be treated with the respect they deserve. The one thing I cannot stand is that someone who has no connection to the club has abused his position as a national celebrity/broadcaster to attack my Club. I like Jeff Stelling, but in this case his involvement was completely uncalled for and demonstrates a complete lack of prefessionalism. I hope Sky discipline him for his remarks (but don't sack him), but suspect that like all of Murdoch's empire they will not because they are all corrupt and would not understand morality. Better said then I could manage, superb post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 They have all got massive ego's and behave like spoilt brats at times........I love them all for what they have done for the mighty Saints but enough is enough.....all round the table and sort it out or I will knock their blooooooody heads together. Mr Stelling please stay out of Saints biz.... WIFM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 You missed the point though. I agree there have been threads in the past, but very little was being said yesterday until Stelling poked his nose in where he should not have done. At the risk of repeating myself, before Stelling put his size 12's in, there was already 2 threads running about the story within hours of it first appearing on the Sun's website. One of the threads was already close to 200 posts a few hours after people had woken up, so I wouldn't describe that as "very little was being said". I don't agree with anyone washing their dirty linen in public like this, and that includes Stelling, Benali, Lawrie and Matty, but on this occasion Cortese has stoked up the siimmering feud with his unnecessary piece in The Sun. In recent weeks both Matty and Lawrie had been overwhelmingly positive about the Club in the press (particularly in The Echo) and I had thought that maybe we had gotten over their personal clash of egos with Cortese, but that was all opened up again the minute Cortese gave this ill advised interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 Cracking post. don't get you benji at all over any issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 MLT was a marvel, I had his pics all over the place but since he stopped playing he's been an off the field mug, nearly killing us off with the Pinnacle farce-and as for his book with the admission of spot-fixing in a Premiership match, it's a wonder he hasn't been arrested, a Pakistani would have been Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 mlt was a marvel, i had his pics all over the place but since he stopped playing he's been an off the field mug, nearly killing us off with the pinnacle farce-and as for his book with the admission of spot-fixing in a premiership match, it's a wonder he hasn't been arrested, a pakistani would have been ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 You missed the point though. I agree there have been threads in the past, but very little was being said yesterday until Stelling poked his nose in where he should not have done. There are a lot of people who have read things that were not written or even quoted by NC, but because it mentions an idol (of some) think they know what was said and what was meant. Stelling should wind his neck in, and all should see that there is right on both sides. In the end what we all want is what is best for the Football Club, and if that upsets someone who some people consider to be a demigod then **** them. Past players and managers are a very important part of our past, our history, but some people who some folks idolise (including me with LM to some extent) need to realise that great managers and great players can also be cocks. I don't idolise MLT, I am too old for that, he was a great player, but thats all. NC has never as far as I can see accused MLT of looking for freebies, but Stelling seems to think he has, and others here seem to think the same. Personally I couldn't give a toss, all I am interested in is that Saints are successful, if some cannot embrace that and want to have a petty squabble then in my mind they can feck off. It won't make me think any less of them for their contribution to our past, but it will make me think less of them if they try to screw things up just when we are getting back on track. No-one has a right to freebies, on the other hand when people are gracious and supportive they should be and will be treated with the respect they deserve. The one thing I cannot stand is that someone who has no connection to the club has abused his position as a national celebrity/broadcaster to attack my Club. I like Jeff Stelling, but in this case his involvement was completely uncalled for and demonstrates a complete lack of prefessionalism. I hope Sky discipline him for his remarks (but don't sack him), but suspect that like all of Murdoch's empire they will not because they are all corrupt and would not understand morality. I agree with a great deal of what you say here. All that Stelling was doing (in his defence) was sticking up for a mate after (rightly or wrongly) thinking that he had been bad-mouthed in the press and accused of being after freebies. Stelling is a journalist - and journalists are entitled to opinions. This is the relevant part of the interview: He said: "Yes, Lawrie McMenemy and Matt Le Tissier have criticised me but they should know no one is more important than the club. "I simply couldn't accept all these people trying to get freebies here, freebies there. "Listen, if I pay for my season ticket then I expect everyone to pay for their ticket too. "And I'm not interested in being popular, I'm focused on making this club successful." Jeff Stelling knows a great deal about football and a great number of football people - the vast majority of whom have the utmost respect for him and also for Matt. He felt something strongly and chose to speak out about it. He's broken no laws I know of. He has no requirement to be independent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 So jeff has publicly defended MLT based on a report in The Sun? Surley he knows how the press do things and the story is probably sensationalised any way it possibly could be? Sounds like NC was asked about Laurie and MLT and he answered, the following sentence could of been in a broader sense talking about all of the hangers on. We all know there were many and there are none now. MLT's fall out seems to be more to do with the pinnacle stuff and sounds like the fall out with benalli as he has mentioned stuff about his friends. I think Laurie was the one taking a fair wedge out of the club when there wasn't much in the club, but I'm sure there were plenty more that don't get a mention. But it's easier to focus on the big names that end up dividing the fans between loyalty to it's legends and loyalty to the club. I think NC is more likly to not bother speaking to the press anymore than anything actually get resolved. Try's to speak openly and and when I read it I got excited about the positives and thought there was more to it than just the negatives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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