Cortese kisses and makes up with the Sun

[St_Tel49]

How come that every thread I read is full of posts from hypo droning on about the same old things.

[um pahars]

Cretins on this forum are a disgrace at present. Earlier on someone was saying his contribution was worth no more than "my mum who worked at Tesco for 30 years" and now this garbage.

 

Probably the same posters who go mental when a player leaves and shows a distinct lack of the loyalty they desperately crave and believe players must show us.

[Dig Dig]

That's funny because quite a lot of people on this forum were saying the deal was dodgy and were getting hell's abuse from happy-clapper scarfers squinnying that negative thoughts on this forum would scupper the deal.

 

The Pinnacle bid would never have happened, MLT had seen the light on that towards the end anyway, so there is no point throwing forward some made-up scenario where they were successful in their bid and then "disastrous". Either way, we would have never, ever have been "destroyed" by Matthew Le Tissier.

 

Cretins on this forum are a disgrace at present. Earlier on someone was saying his contribution was worth no more than "my mum who worked at Tesco for 30 years" and now this garbage.

 

This is Matthew Le Tissier you people are belittling, smearing and sneering at. Shame on all of you.

 

Yes he was a great footballer and I still watch his best goals on youtube every now and then. But the way people go on about a man with flaws and faults like anyone of us like he's some kind of untouchable demi-god is truly embarrassing.

 

 

Grow up. I stopped believing in superheros when I was a kid.

[CB Fry]

But the way people go on about a man with flaws and faults like anyone of us like he's some kind of untouchable demi-god is truly embarrassing.

 

 

Grow up. I stopped believing in superheros when I was a kid.

 

Glad you've been reading thesame cult-of-Cortese demi-god worship as me then. You're right, it's fuc king loopy.

[Matthew Le God]

Glad you've been reading thesame cult-of-Cortese demi-god worship as me then. You're right, it's fuc king loopy.

 

On the pitch Le Tissier did little wrong for Saints (I like him as much as the next Saints fan, hence my username on this forum), off the pitch he isn't the sharpest tool in the box.

 

On the pitch Cortese of course never played for Saints, off the pitch he has done little wrong in overseeing under his watch a rise from 68th in England to 21st in England in a little over two years.

 

Both should be held in high regard, but for very different reasons.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

On the pitch Le Tissier did little wrong for Saints (I like him as much as the next Saints fan, hence my username on this forum), off the pitch he isn't the sharpest tool in the box.

 

On the pitch Cortese of course never played for Saints, off the pitch he has done little wrong in overseeing under his watch a rise from 68th in England to 21st in England in a little over two years.

 

Both should be held in high regard, but for very different reasons.

 

"Off the pitch he has done nothing wrong"?

 

You may be right you may be wrong but your words are incredibly presumptive.

 

Jeoffrey Archer was once held up as a man of virtue.

[Matthew Le God]

"Off the pitch he has done nothing wrong"?

 

You may be right you may be wrong but your words are incredibly presumptive.

 

You have misquoted me. There is a significant difference between what I actually said and what you claim I said.

[Roger]

Yes he was a great footballer and I still watch his best goals on youtube every now and then. But the way people go on about a man with flaws and faults like anyone of us like he's some kind of untouchable demi-god is truly embarrassing.

 

 

Grow up. I stopped believing in superheros when I was a kid.

 

he's as close to a superhero saints have ever had. He should have been worshipped he was amazing.

[Faz]

I really do wonder if this is getting any airtime at all outside the somewhat restricted confines of this site???

 

Anyway, my take:

 

1. Cortese is Niaive when it come sto the media,and should keep a PR man on call

2. The Article did not say MLT wanted freebies.

3. The Sun have probably, very cleverly, stitched Cortese up in the way the piece has been written.

4. Jeff Stelling is an entertainer looking to keep the ratings for his show (which I can't stand) as high as possible to guarantee him as many bucks as possible

5. Everyone (including MLT) has an agenda.

6. We will never know the truth

7. No-one deserves a free ride for life, and there was clearly a culture of free-riding at the Club in the past.

8. We went bust. QED Operating costs were higher than income.

9. There are far more important things in life to concern us all.

[Dig Dig]

Glad you've been reading thesame cult-of-Cortese demi-god worship as me then. You're right, it's fuc king loopy.

 

I've been more vocal in my praise for NA then I have been of NC, as it should be.

 

He's the chairman and will make good decisions and bad ones along the way as they all do.

 

At the moment we're sat at the top of the table and,on the back of a promotion, blowing away some teams along the way. That tells me that overall, he's probably got a hell of a lot more things right then wrong. Why's it not possible to judge every scenario on it's merits? Just because I don't agree he's done much wrong in this scenario doesn't mean I am part of some Cortese loving cult.

 

But I do think he's doing a good job.

[Dig Dig]

he's as close to a superhero saints have ever had. He should have been worshipped he was amazing.

 

You're allowed Roger, I think you have the mental age to pull it off.

[Saint Billy]

i really do wonder if this is getting any airtime at all outside the somewhat restricted confines of this site???

 

Anyway, my take:

 

1. Cortese is niaive when it come sto the media,and should keep a pr man on call

2. The article did not say mlt wanted freebies.

3. The sun have probably, very cleverly, stitched cortese up in the way the piece has been written.

4. Jeff stelling is an entertainer looking to keep the ratings for his show (which i can't stand) as high as possible to guarantee him as many bucks as possible

5. Everyone (including mlt) has an agenda.

6. We will never know the truth

7. No-one deserves a free ride for life, and there was clearly a culture of free-riding at the club in the past.

8. We went bust. Qed operating costs were higher than income.

9. There are far more important things in life to concern us all.

 

what a c o c k !

[Roger]

You're allowed Roger, I think you have the mental age to pull it off.

 

what a lovely comment. You obviously are a miserable bugger without a heart.

[hypochondriac]

Yes. Matthew Le Tissier would have destroed our club. I do wonder about so called saints fans.

[Matthew Le God]

Yes. Matthew Le Tissier would have destroed our club.

 

Who said that?

 

I do wonder about so called saints fans.

 

I do wonder about you hypochondriac (such an apt username btw)

[Dig Dig]

what a lovely comment. You obviously are a miserable bugger without a heart.

 

You're wrong Roger. I've got a big warm glowing heart.

 

I'm off now to go seal clubbing using only the cutest little puppies

[CB Fry]

I've been more vocal in my praise for NA then I have been of NC, as it should be.

 

He's the chairman and will make good decisions and bad ones along the way as they all do.

 

At the moment we're sat at the top of the table and,on the back of a promotion, blowing away some teams along the way. That tells me that overall, he's probably got a hell of a lot more things right then wrong. Why's it not possible to judge every scenario on it's merits? Just because I don't agree he's done much wrong in this scenario doesn't mean I am part of some Cortese loving cult.

 

But I do think he's doing a good job.

 

 

So, just to confirm you're allowed to accuse people of treating Matthew Le Tissier like an untouchable demi-god but get all uppity and offended if people accuse you of the same just over a different person.

 

And then start having a pop at people over their "mental age".

 

What a charmer you are.

[hypochondriac]

Matty still does not accept to this day how close he came to destroying the club

 

There MLG.

[Frank's cousin]

I think what is sad about all this is that its caused a rift between fans on the topic of MLT, LM and NC. All three have played a huge part in the clud, be it on the field or off it and its a real shame that we have been placed in a situation where 'taking sides' seems more important to some than the club itself. Everyone makes mistakes. MLT in fronting teh pinnacle bid was naive for sure, but teh intentions were right. Leon Crouch and Micheal Wilde in believing that the best way forward was a go-for-broke spend on promotion, Lowe on thinking the kids would do all right and turn us into Ajax overnight and avoid paying huge wages would prevent financila meltdown, Nicola in not explianing to fans the reasons for simple things such as STs sales timing, charges and taxes... they ahev all done it and will all continue to do so.

 

The question is do we go on..and on... and on about them because we place so much value on the past (afterall history is what makes a club), or do we embrace teh future, warts and all, because its the ambition and future that will define us? Take your pic, we have seen that you cant have both because I dont see how MLT/LM and NC will reconcile their differences.. just dont think it will ever happen, no matter how much sense that would make. So what's it to be?

 

Well, no right or wrong here IMHO, just depend son your perspective. For me I value the contribution of those legends and hold those memories fondly, and dont want to disect them and analyse so that I end up reducing the affection I have for the heroes of the past, but the thing is, it is the past, history and its not good being a fan of a club that WAS... but for me its more important to be a fan of the club that IS. That means the here and now and teh good things that are happening. For me, our success is down to two main things, 1) NA has built a Spirit and togetherness amongst the players that is second to none..the sum of the parts and all that. NC has focused on blancing the egos internally and ensuring everyone at the club is pulling in the same direction... which has meant that many egos on the outside of old have been disenfranchised - its the price of that internal unity IMO, and although I can appreciate that its does not sit comfortably with some fans, it all depends on what you value most. I think its naive to think we could have had both... we saw with Wilde and Crouch how trying to keep everyone happy all the time resulted in ineffectual and poor leadership, infighting and divisions... even if their intentions were honorable and in the spirit of inclusivity... it became a mess. NC has gone the more direct dictatorial route, with me, my way or feck off. It seems harsh and hard and often wont be comfortable for those with more egalitarian views of the 'community clubbeing its fans' but in the modern environment, its one that works - so make you choice.... but for the love of a mystical being often portratyed as an old man with a grey beard, lets put this ******** to bed once and for all and focus on 3 points at Cardiff?

[LGTL]

MLT is a legend and always will be, and I also like Cortese.

 

I like both and that's that. This forum is embarrassing at times. So what if they hate each other, i'm sure neither want to have total losers on here "on side"...

 

Dear oh dear.

[Dig Dig]

So, just to confirm you're allowed to accuse people of treating Matthew Le Tissier like an untouchable demi-god but get all uppity and offended if people accuse you of the same just over a different person.

 

And then start having a pop at people over their "mental age".

 

What a charmer you are.

 

Sorry, I forgot I'm speaking to the saintsweb charmer that is CB Fry....have you ever posted without an aggresive undertone? How many posters have you slung insults and patronising, ram it down your throat, opinions at?

 

Where have I got uppity and offended?

 

If you're accusing me of thinking NC is untouchable then as i've explained, you're wrong.

[latter day saint]

MLT is a legend and always will be, and I also like Cortese.

 

I like both and that's that. This forum is embarrassing at times. So what if they hate each other, i'm sure neither want to have total losers on here "on side"...

 

Dear oh dear.

Spot on !

[Gingeletiss]

Yes. Matthew Le Tissier would have destroed our club. I do wonder about so called saints fans.

 

Funny that! so do I!

[CB Fry]

Where have I got uppity and offended?

 

If you're accusing me of thinking NC is untouchable then as i've explained, you're wrong.

 

Fair enough. Jolly interesting how you launched into your original "there's no demi-gods, there's no superheros, grow up" routine on the back of me saying something utterly anodyne about Matthew Le Tissier - basically that I think his contribution is worth more to the city than someone's mum working at Tesco for 30 years.

 

A harmless, pretty undeniable statement but greeted with furious sneering by you. Let's not forget who started accusing people of thinking people are demi-gods. Weirdo.

 

 

 

This forum is resembling the church of Scientology at the moment. Populated by dead-eyed robo-thinkers coldly defending their deity and desperate to stamp out and sneer at people promoting the enemy by saying controversial things like "MLT means more than someone who works at Tesco" or "actually MLT did not come near to destroying the club". The fact that anodyne phrases like this are interpreted as a de facto attack on Cortese speaks volumes about the strength of the cult.

 

 

Listen you chaps in the cult, get your head out of Cortese's arse and get used to the fact that most normal Saints fans would like the space to say Matthew Le Tissier was and is a force for fantastic good for this football club. Stop trying to stamp it out with your sneering.

Edited 26 September, 2011 by CB Fry

[miserableoldgit]

Fair enough. Jolly interesting how you launched into your original "there's no demi-gods, there's no superheros, grow up" routine on the back of me saying something utterly anodyne about Matthew Le Tissier - basically that I think his contribution is worth more to the city than someone's mum working at Tesco for 30 years.

 

A harmless, pretty undeniable statement but greeted with furious sneering by you. Let's not forget who started accusing people of thinking people are demi-gods. Weirdo.

 

 

 

This forum is resembling the church of Scientology at the moment. Populated by dead-eyed robo-thinkers coldly defending their deity and desperate to stamp out and sneer at people promoting the enemy by saying controversial things like "MLT means more than someone who works at Tesco" or "actually MLT did not come near to destroying the club". The fact that anodyne phrases like this are interpreted as a de facto attack on Cortese speaks volumes about the strength of the cult.

 

 

Listen you chaps in the cult, get your head out of Cortese's arse and get used to the fact that most normal Saints fans would like the space to say Matthew Le Tissier was and is a force for fantastic good for this football club. Stop trying to stamp it out with your sneering.

The problem with this forum is that every time a situation like this arises, we suddenly split into two camps and bicker when the truth of these matters is very rarely in black and white. I absolutely love MLT for what he did for this club and I hate hearing any negative remarks about him. However, MLT is the past and NC is the here-and-now and quite possibly the future. Whilst he may not have the greatest PR skills, I do like what NC and ML have done for this club and I believe that NC is determined to get us into the big-time. I don`t think that his stated ambitions are so much "hot-air" as some other chairman may spout. For him being chairman is not a popularity contest and I genuinely believe that he wants to make this club a success and has the ability to do so.

[um pahars]

Populated by dead-eyed robo-thinkers coldly defending their deity and desperate to stamp out and sneer at people promoting the enemy by saying controversial things like "MLT means more than someone who works at Tesco" or "actually MLT did not come near to destroying the club".

 

It's weird in exactly the same way as when the Ex Saints Charity got dragged in to the Matty v Cortese ego battle a few months back, all of a sudden posters on here were denegrating the Ex Saints.

 

The Ex Saints were questioned about their charitable status, with people questioning whether they really were a charity, others started having a pop about admin costs, others attacked their fund raising record, others claimed they were unfairly trading off the back of the club's name (well isn't that the whole point) whilst others said they were in competition with the Club.

 

For years (and again yesterday) they have done a sterling job working with past players, the Club and charities, but because they might be "involved" in this spat all of a suddent they're fair game to have a pop at.

 

"Once Matty stopped playing that was that" and "he's no different to a check out girl at Tescos" - Unbelievable has never been more apt.

[Weston Saint]

One thing is for sure, this ongoing war of words is damaging the club publically. It may not affect the players, management or the way we play and the results we get on the field but it will make corporate sponsorship think and it may turn some loyal MLT supporters away affecting income at the club.

 

If the club read this, can I urge they ask Mr Cortese to offer to take Matt out for a private lunch to discuss the issue fully and finally. The is nothing wrong with the Clubs vision. I am sure the objectives of both are the same. The strategy for attaining those objectives might be different but such is business and life itself.

 

MLT is a past hero on the field. He now has influence in the media. He needs to be a friend of the club not just a supporter. That is not to say he should be given any role or influence nor benefits any more that others who have had a role in the clubs history. Just have him supporting all aspects of the club he clearly loves but, perhaps, has misguided perceptions.

[Dig Dig]

Fair enough. Jolly interesting how you launched into your original "there's no demi-gods, there's no superheros, grow up" routine on the back of me saying something utterly anodyne about Matthew Le Tissier - basically that I think his contribution is worth more to the city than someone's mum working at Tesco for 30 years.

 

A harmless, pretty undeniable statement but greeted with furious sneering by you. Let's not forget who started accusing people of thinking people are demi-gods. Weirdo.

 

This forum is resembling the church of Scientology at the moment. Populated by dead-eyed robo-thinkers coldly defending their deity and desperate to stamp out and sneer at people promoting the enemy by saying controversial things like "MLT means more than someone who works at Tesco" or "actually MLT did not come near to destroying the club". The fact that anodyne phrases like this are interpreted as a de facto attack on Cortese speaks volumes about the strength of the cult.

 

 

Listen you chaps in the cult, get your head out of Cortese's arse and get used to the fact that most normal Saints fans would like the space to say Matthew Le Tissier was and is a force for fantastic good for this football club. Stop trying to stamp it out with your sneering.

 

No I didn't. You implied that me critising MLT's part in the Pinnacle bid was the same as someone claiming that his contribution was the same as his mothers who worked at Tesco. That's twice now you used that when directly quoting me and I've never said it or believe it. And you call me weird.

 

Maybe try to acknowledge a post on it's own merits without trying to group everyone into some scientologist NC loving dead eyed cult.

 

My stance is pretty consistent. No one person is unfallible and above criticism, from MLT to NC and everyone else inbetween.

 

But you can come back, quote someone else and try to pack myt opinion into a little NC loving, MLT hating little box if it makes you feel better.

[up and away]

Originally Posted by up and away

Matty is a different character and one of the few things that kept me going during the dark days was his greatest goals CD. But Matty still does not accept to this day how close he came to destroying the club, even though it was done in the best intentions. Everyone could see that Micky Falka was never going to find the money down the back of the sofa and he should of seen through this early on and backed out to try and avoid the damage that could have occured, rather than keep faith with Falka. When he signed his auto I asked then if he still believed (as he put in the book) that he did the right thing to the end. If Liebherr had walked away at that point, there was so little time left that the administrator would only have accepted straight bids without any due diligence, otherwise it was straight to liquidation.

Ridiculous. Also if you really thought we would have got to liquidation then you aren't really worth listening to.

 

 

"Was there any time you lost hope? YES, there was a time when I felt liquidation was almost inevitable and we were almost back to where we started. We did have those dark moments."

 

These are the words of the Administrator Mark Fry, who in simple terms that you can understand is effectively GOD when it came to the fate of Saints whilst we were in administration. When he says we are 7 days away from liquidation, it is 7 days. He alone has the power, has no recourse to any other body and presses the button when he decides the point of no return has been met. If Cortese decided that the deal has been already done or they have been ****ed about enough and decides to not bother, who do you believe would be then responsible for that? I can almost hear you now claiming Cortese

would never of done that (so much faith from such a whining), but Mark Fry thought it was a real enough possibility.

 

But there would always have been someone else I hear you muttering? Possibly, but they would have to have bought it cold within that limited 7 days, very difficult to perform due diligence and get your ducks in a row with Aviva and Barclays. As for the other bids on the table, liquidation looked the more attractive option by comparison in the eyes of the administrator.

 

I fully accept that Matty never intended anything that would have damaged the club, but I find it very strange that he still believes everything was kosher and he did the right thing. When looking back it would not have taken much for that doomsday scenario to produce, nowhere near out of the realms of reality.

[aintforever]

"Was there any time you lost hope? YES, there was a time when I felt liquidation was almost inevitable and we were almost back to where we started. We did have those dark moments."

 

These are the words of the Administrator Mark Fry, who in simple terms that you can understand is effectively GOD when it came to the fate of Saints whilst we were in administration. When he says we are 7 days away from liquidation, it is 7 days. He alone has the power, has no recourse to any other body and presses the button when he decides the point of no return has been met. If Cortese decided that the deal has been already done or they have been ****ed about enough and decides to not bother, who do you believe would be then responsible for that? I can almost hear you now claiming Cortese

would never of done that (so much faith from such a whining), but Mark Fry thought it was a real enough possibility.

 

But there would always have been someone else I hear you muttering? Possibly, but they would have to have bought it cold within that limited 7 days, very difficult to perform due diligence and get your ducks in a row with Aviva and Barclays. As for the other bids on the table, liquidation looked the more attractive option by comparison in the eyes of the administrator.

 

I fully accept that Matty never intended anything that would have damaged the club, but I find it very strange that he still believes everything was kosher and he did the right thing. When looking back it would not have taken much for that doomsday scenario to produce, nowhere near out of the realms of reality.

 

Are you really that naive?

 

Of course Fry was going to come out with that sort of stuff, how else would he get people to throw their tenners in a bucket or in Leon Crouch's case probably tens of thousands.

 

He let Pinnacle d!ck about because he knew there were other buyers willing to jump in - it was a no lose gamble. If SFC was liquidated when people of the calibre of Leibherr were interested then Fry would have looked like a complete muppet.

[70's Mike]

One thing is for sure, this ongoing war of words is damaging the club publically. It may not affect the players, management or the way we play and the results we get on the field but it will make corporate sponsorship think and it may turn some loyal MLT supporters away affecting income at the club.

 

If the club read this, can I urge they ask Mr Cortese to offer to take Matt out for a private lunch to discuss the issue fully and finally. The is nothing wrong with the Clubs vision. I am sure the objectives of both are the same. The strategy for attaining those objectives might be different but such is business and life itself.

 

MLT is a past hero on the field. He now has influence in the media. He needs to be a friend of the club not just a supporter. That is not to say he should be given any role or influence nor benefits any more that others who have had a role in the clubs history. Just have him supporting all aspects of the club he clearly loves but, perhaps, has misguided perceptions.

 

this then the thread could be Cortese kisses and makes up with MLT AND LM

[Wes Tender]

I really do wonder if this is getting any airtime at all outside the somewhat restricted confines of this site???

 

Anyway, my take:

 

1. Cortese is Niaive when it come sto the media,and should keep a PR man on call

2. The Article did not say MLT wanted freebies.

3. The Sun have probably, very cleverly, stitched Cortese up in the way the piece has been written.

4. Jeff Stelling is an entertainer looking to keep the ratings for his show (which I can't stand) as high as possible to guarantee him as many bucks as possible

5. Everyone (including MLT) has an agenda.

6. We will never know the truth

7. No-one deserves a free ride for life, and there was clearly a culture of free-riding at the Club in the past.

8. We went bust. QED Operating costs were higher than income.

9. There are far more important things in life to concern us all.

 

I can find common ground with most of these thoughts. There is enough cynicism about it that I can find sympathy with. A cynical mindset comes with maturity and experience of life, that gifts us with the benefit of hindsight and learning from our past mistakes. There are probably several shades of grey involved in all of this and anybody who believes it is all black and white and polarised in favour of one faction or the other is deluded.

[Frank's cousin]

Of course MLT and Pinnacle did not increase the chances of liquidation - so not sure whetre that came from. The validity of the bid becomes questionable only when there are better ones around and for any decsion to prioritise you have to look to M Fry. However, its not difficult to speculate that NC and ML would have been concerned and peeved that a 'rival bid' that probably had no legs, delayed their own negotiations. Even then, the key question for me is what happened afterwards and how the various parties reacted.

 

It became clear very quickly that ANYONE with previous connections to the boardroom or politics would no longer be involved. It was time for a clean slate and new beginning. Almost immediately, as I recall, this led to some 'criticism' in the media from LM et al... valid or not, it was perhaps not timely and fuelled the feud... purther public criticism of the direction the club was taking and public comment on the speculation surrounding Pards added to this. Then we had the whole Benalli show.

 

Now everyone is entitled to their opinion and figures in the game are always going to be asked about for theirs, but surely its not rocket science to see that if you want to be back on the inside, you dont get that through being publically critical, especially when its clear that the regime is about unity and one vision and direction? If you dont agree with that vision or approach, fair enough afterall its about opinion, but you cant be surprized if you are then criticised for NOT being supportive or even of being 'dark forces'.

 

There was bound to be some natural suspicion, so why not build trust? Did not happen. The rest about tickets etc, is a load of ******, and Stelling and media have speculated as MLT never asked for freebies, just 10 for an over subscribed game, for which he was offered 3... more than the average ST holder which is fair enough... Think it was sSTelling again previously who sugegsted MLT should get freebies and it seems to have become urban myth....

 

In an ideal world they work it out, but TBH, In some respects i believe that we are better off without the old guard being involved as tehy were too close to previous regimes - but having said that it would be great if tehre was at least some civility between these parties, but that requires both sides to agree and avoid the use of teh media to argue their case.

 

Finally what if no agreement is reached and ithis rumbles on? I dont think fans need to 'take sides' its nothing to do with us and those advocating taking sides from both persepctives seem driven by some sort of agenda or ingrained cultural viewpoint. We have a past which we should never forget, AND a future that is our focus - this problem is only there because those intrinsic to recent success, were also involved recently in off the pitch stuff. Had they not been, as we saw with the rest of the Cup squad at SMS v United, there would have ben no issue - add to that that from day 1 there has not exactly been a positive outlook towards the new regime and we have our impasse.

[up and away]

Originally Posted by up and away

"Was there any time you lost hope? YES, there was a time when I felt liquidation was almost inevitable and we were almost back to where we started. We did have those dark moments."

 

These are the words of the Administrator Mark Fry, who in simple terms that you can understand is effectively GOD when it came to the fate of Saints whilst we were in administration. When he says we are 7 days away from liquidation, it is 7 days. He alone has the power, has no recourse to any other body and presses the button when he decides the point of no return has been met. If Cortese decided that the deal has been already done or they have been ****ed about enough and decides to not bother, who do you believe would be then responsible for that? I can almost hear you now claiming Cortese would never of done that (so much faith from such a whining), but Mark Fry thought it was a real enough possibility.

 

But there would always have been someone else I hear you muttering? Possibly, but they would have to have bought it cold within that limited 7 days, very difficult to perform due diligence and get your ducks in a row with Aviva and Barclays. As for the other bids on the table, liquidation looked the more attractive option by comparison in the eyes of the administrator.

 

I fully accept that Matty never intended anything that would have damaged the club, but I find it very strange that he still believes everything was kosher and he did the right thing. When looking back it would not have taken much for that doomsday scenario to produce, nowhere near out of the realms of reality.

Are you really that naive?

 

Of course Fry was going to come out with that sort of stuff, how else would he get people to throw their tenners in a bucket or in Leon Crouch's case probably tens of thousands.

 

He let Pinnacle d!ck about because he knew there were other buyers willing to jump in - it was a no lose gamble. If SFC was liquidated when people of the calibre of Leibherr were interested then Fry would have looked like a complete muppet.

 

Are you really that dumb? When Fry said there was only 7 days, the option of throwing tenners into a bucket was no longer viable, that had already stopped. He was very clear as to why he accepted the Pinnacle bid, because he was that desperate! He had no idea other buyers were willing to jump in, he had been dicked about so much he admitted he never knew what the future held. Just read the link, it fully explains his thoughts at the time. If Liebherr decided he had enough of this circus and walked away, Fry's thoughts at that time were that liquidation was a strong possibility, something I don't argue with.

[um pahars]

why he accepted the Pinnacle bid, because he was that desperate! He had no idea other buyers were willing to jump in, he had been dicked about so much he admitted he never knew what the future held.

 

And the fact that you describe the situation as being so desperate and Fry had no idea that other buyers were willing to jump in, would, in my mind, somewhat justify Matt's decision to back what was looking like the only game in town (hell, I was even considering Wacko Jacko's bid, if the alternative was the disappearance of Saints!!!).

 

Therefore, in the context you suggest, I think it would be well over the top to suggest that Matty came close to destroying the Club as you did earlier!!

[Guan 2.0]

http://www.viddler.com/mini/36fd144d/

[Guan 2.0]

Was he re-opening old wounds or was he specifically asked by the reporter?

 

Still, don't let get in the way of any "Cortese is the devil" conspiracy theories you have...

 

If he ignores the question:

 

"kNicola won't even talk about them, he's trying to bury the past, THEY ARE LEGENDS AND WILL BE LONG AFTER HE LEAFS".

 

If he chooses to say that it is something in the past and he is concentrating on the future:

 

"He is hoping they will just go away and die... BUT WE WILL NEVER FORGET THERE LOYALTEE 110% RED N WHITE LM AND MATT LE TISS 4EVER".

 

If he points out that they are attending matches and are welcome at the ground:

 

"As long as they pay him his LIRA, what A CLOTESE LOLOLOL!!!111. TRUE SAINTS FANS WILL GIVE THEM DA TICKETS. GET RID AND GET MARY CORBETT BACK AND MIKE OSMAN AS CHAIRMAIN"

[up and away]

And the fact that you describe the situation as being so desperate and Fry had no idea that other buyers were willing to jump in, would, in my mind, somewhat justify Matt's decision to back what was looking like the only game in town (hell, I was even considering Wacko Jacko's bid, if the alternative was the disappearance of Saints!!!).

 

Therefore, in the context you suggest, I think it would be well over the top to suggest that Matty came close to destroying the Club as you did earlier!!

 

I don't argue with those points and it was a very difficult position. Pinnacle were the first to put down the readies so the administrator was virtually duty bound to proceed along that path at the time. But the very simple fact of all of this is that Matty's continued involvement could have been disastrous. You can see the bond Cortese has with the club now, but at the time I expect he was more ****ed off with proceedings than any thing else and something else diverting his attention would not only have raised the spectre of liquidation, but that Liebherr would have been lost as well. I am positive Matty never intended any of this to happen and he thought what he was doing was for the best of the club, I don't really have an issue there. The issue I have with Matty is that the whole Pinnacle approach was sound and no regrets even now. Bearing in mind the consequences, I find that position very difficult to understand given how close that could have brought us to armegeddon. Where I thought Matty was very remiss was half way though the diligence period things coming out from Pinnacle were just not right. They were arguing that the points deduction should be rescinded before buying the club which anyone with minimal exposure to football would tell you was never going to happen. Bearing in mind the club was in that limbo position of needing the League permission to play in the FL again, there was zero chance. When all the questions of finance and where the money actually was, Matty should have asked serious questions and got the answers, not ducked behind others vague promises. he should also have asked himself why they wanted him as chairman, because of all the great skills I know Matty possesses, virtually none lie in that role. The reason everything rambled on with Pinnacle up to virtually the last minute was because Crouch was suckered out of the deposit on a pipe dream and no one was facing the truth. The very fact Crouch had to come up with that deposit is just another alarm bell which was easily read.

 

Even with all of this Matty is still a hero, but I really wish he would stop this pretence over Pinnacle and accept we had a very lucky escape.

 

 

It's weird in exactly the same way as when the Ex Saints Charity got dragged in to the Matty v Cortese ego battle a few months back, all of a sudden posters on here were denegrating the Ex Saints. The Ex Saints were questioned about their charitable status, with people questioning whether they really were a charity, others started having a pop about admin costs, others attacked their fund raising record, others claimed they were unfairly trading off the back of the club's name (well isn't that the whole point) whilst others said they were in competition with the Club. For years (and again yesterday) they have done a sterling job working with past players, the Club and charities, but because they might be "involved" in this spat all of a suddent they're fair game to have a pop at. "Once Matty stopped playing that was that" and "he's no different to a check out girl at Tescos" - Unbelievable has never been more apt.

 

The Ex-Saints charity made it very clear that they had nothing to do with Osmans anniversy bash for Saints at the Mayflower. I still have yet to find out what charities if any were represented, maybe you can help me out there? Or was this a nice little earner Rodney?

[aintforever]

Are you really that dumb? When Fry said there was only 7 days, the option of throwing tenners into a bucket was no longer viable, that had already stopped. He was very clear as to why he accepted the Pinnacle bid, because he was that desperate! He had no idea other buyers were willing to jump in, he had been dicked about so much he admitted he never knew what the future held. Just read the link, it fully explains his thoughts at the time. If Liebherr decided he had enough of this circus and walked away, Fry's thoughts at that time were that liquidation was a strong possibility, something I don't argue with.

 

You really are that gullable.

 

Every single club that has gone into admin has been weeks, days, hours or minutes away from liquidation - it's just a game of cat and mouse to get the best price. In our case he got a rich local Saints fan to chuck his cash in.

 

If you look at the value of SFC and it's assets compared to what the ceditors would have got on liquidation, there is no way in a million years it would have gone under.

 

If someone of the calibre of Leibherr was interested, there would have been loads of others.

[um pahars]

I don't argue with those points and it was a very difficult position. Pinnacle were the first to put down the readies so the administrator was virtually duty bound to proceed along that path at the time. But the very simple fact of all of this is that Matty's continued involvement could have been disastrous. You can see the bond Cortese has with the club now, but at the time I expect he was more ****ed off with proceedings than any thing else and something else diverting his attention would not only have raised the spectre of liquidation, but that Liebherr would have been lost as well. I am positive Matty never intended any of this to happen and he thought what he was doing was for the best of the club, I don't really have an issue there. The issue I have with Matty is that the whole Pinnacle approach was sound and no regrets even now. Bearing in mind the consequences, I find that position very difficult to understand given how close that could have brought us to armegeddon. Where I thought Matty was very remiss was half way though the diligence period things coming out from Pinnacle were just not right. They were arguing that the points deduction should be rescinded before buying the club which anyone with minimal exposure to football would tell you was never going to happen. Bearing in mind the club was in that limbo position of needing the League permission to play in the FL again, there was zero chance. When all the questions of finance and where the money actually was, Matty should have asked serious questions and got the answers, not ducked behind others vague promises. he should also have asked himself why they wanted him as chairman, because of all the great skills I know Matty possesses, virtually none lie in that role. The reason everything rambled on with Pinnacle up to virtually the last minute was because Crouch was suckered out of the deposit on a pipe dream and no one was facing the truth. The very fact Crouch had to come up with that deposit is just another alarm bell which was easily read.

 

Even with all of this Matty is still a hero, but I really wish he would stop this pretence over Pinnacle and accept we had a very lucky escape.

 

But none of this (and I don't agree with everything you have put above) is the same as saying Matty came close to destroying this Club. That is the part of your claim that I just simply do not accept.

Edited 27 September, 2011 by um pahars
wot no not

[Badger]

One thing is for sure, this ongoing war of words is damaging the club publically. It may not affect the players, management or the way we play and the results we get on the field but it will make corporate sponsorship think and it may turn some loyal MLT supporters away affecting income at the club.

 

If the club read this, can I urge they ask Mr Cortese to offer to take Matt out for a private lunch to discuss the issue fully and finally. The is nothing wrong with the Clubs vision. I am sure the objectives of both are the same. The strategy for attaining those objectives might be different but such is business and life itself.

 

MLT is a past hero on the field. He now has influence in the media. He needs to be a friend of the club not just a supporter. That is not to say he should be given any role or influence nor benefits any more that others who have had a role in the clubs history. Just have him supporting all aspects of the club he clearly loves but, perhaps, has misguided perceptions.

 

That is far too a sensible suggestion for it to happen.

[jam]

Maybe, but it is also remembering that in one of us first outbursts at Matty, Cortese was very specific in criticising his role in the Pinnacle affair. Matty seemed to be a target then.

 

Are you sure that's the case? I thought he was more critical of Fry - the way they seemed to get bounced for Pinnacle - rather than Matt himself...

[Dig Dig]

That is far too a sensible suggestion for it to happen.

 

Only if Matty pays for his half of the lunch

[um pahars]

Are you sure that's the case? I thought he was more critical of Fry - the way they seemed to get bounced for Pinnacle - rather than Matt himself...

 

It was something along the lines of "a former player who headed a so called consortium cost us important time in our efforts to rescue the club" and "these people from behind the scenes continue to seek to harm the club in pursuit of their personal agendas".

 

It was around the time when the Pardew Out rumours were reaching a peak (programme pulled & club refuting the rumours) and I think Matty and others had expressed an opinion on the situation in the press.

[dune]

In case anyone forgot, this is the original article featured in The Sun:

 

[Gingeletiss]

You really are a troll Dune, like to share with us your hatred for the Saints, and how that came about?

[dune]

You really are a troll Dune, like to share with us your hatred for the Saints, and how that came about?

 

I didn't post on THE thread so don't get funny with me Mr Grumpy.

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?32671-More-anti-redhead-stuff

[Gingeletiss]

Maybe not, but you have resurrected it, just to get further reaction, same as how you are describing NC on every thread. I have enjoyed your posting in the past, but like others on here, you seem to have a hidden agenda against our chairman.

[miserableoldgit]

Maybe not, but you have resurrected it, just to get further reaction, same as how you are describing NC on every thread. I have enjoyed your posting in the past, but like others on here, you seem to have a hidden agenda against our chairman.

Hidden??

[dune]

Maybe not, but you have resurrected it, just to get further reaction, same as how you are describing NC on every thread. I have enjoyed your posting in the past, but like others on here, you seem to have a hidden agenda against our chairman.

 

How is it hidden? I've been complaining about the ticket tax for long enough.