70's Mike Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 To which he could (and should) have replied along the lines of, "that's in the past, let's talk about the positives of today and the future". Exactly, MLT has been buying tickets, he was at the Birmingham game.LM regularly is in Leon's box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 To which he could (and should) have replied along the lines of, "that's in the past, let's talk about the positives of today and the future". I'm with um on this. I agree with the "no freebies" policy but I'd like to see the bridges rebuilt and that would have been a much better answer. It strikes me that this is no longer about Cortese vs MLT or McMenemy - and maybe never was. I think it's more about Cortese's need and desire to be seen as someone you don't screw around with. MLT and Lawrie are examples rather than targets, and there have been many others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Exactly' date=' MLT has been buying tickets, he was at the Birmingham game.LM regularly is in Leon's box.[/quote'] And as I posted recently, recent interviews/pieces in The Echo have been very positive and full of praise of the Club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 I think it's more about Cortese's need and desire to be seen as someone you don't screw around with. MLT and Lawrie are examples rather than targets, and there have been many others. Maybe, but it is also remembering that in one of us first outbursts at Matty, Cortese was very specific in criticising his role in the Pinnacle affair. Matty seemed to be a target then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Maybe, but it is also remembering that in one of us first outbursts at Matty, Cortese was very specific in criticising his role in the Pinnacle affair. Matty seemed to be a target then. True, but we certainly don't know everything that was going on then with the administrator - and anyway I'd argue it's part of the same syndrome. For Cortese these things aren't personal so much as "You're either with me or you're against me. And if you're against me I have a long memory." That's part of the "Cortese recipe" so I'm not sure we can expect much change. If the gap is to be bridged it will have to be MLT doing the bridge-building, but the chances of any rapprochement diminished with Stelling's comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 It may have passed you by but Stelling's robust defence of MLT and Lawrie was a direct response to Cortese reopening old wounds by criticising them in The Sun. It may have passed you by but I already addressed that in one of my previous posts saying that it was not needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Was he re-opening old wounds or was he specifically asked by the reporter? Still, don't let get in the way of any "Cortese is the devil" conspiracy theories you have... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Was he re-opening old wounds or was he specifically asked by the reporter? So you're saying this ultra sharp, savvy and shrewd businessman was tricked in to pouring his heart out by a super sneaky and snidey Sun journo and found it impossible to say "no comment on that one or "we've moved on from that issue now" or "let's concentrate on the good things"??? Still, don't let get in the way of any "Cortese is the devil" conspiracy theories you have... Because that's just what everyone is saying isn't it Amazing how some still seem to struggle with the concept of being supportive, appreciative and downright positive about the direction Cortese is taking us whilst being disappointed that this spat is still being played out in the media (by both sides I may add). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 So you're saying this ultra sharp, savvy and shrewd businessman was tricked in to pouring his heart out by a super sneaky and snidey Sun journo and found it impossible to say "no comment on that one or "we've moved on from that issue now" or "let's concentrate on the good things"??? Because that's just what everyone is saying isn't it Amazing how some still seem to struggle with the concept of being supportive, appreciative and downright positive about the direction Cortese is taking us whilst being disappointed that this spat is still being played out in the media (by both sides I may add). Personally I find it rather dangerous to be so ridiculously pro Cortese as to not consider either side of an argument. Um's right here, Nicola is no fool and to even suggest that some sneaky journalist drew an anti LeTissier/McMenemy comment out of him is just plain ludicrous.. The time has come to forget the past shake hands and move on.... and that's both sides... The man has done some truly remarkable things here at his time at the club and only an idiot would deny that but then again only an idiot would sit in the stands and not question him or criticise him if he does something wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 So you're saying this ultra sharp, savvy and shrewd businessman was tricked in to pouring his heart out by a super sneaky and snidey Sun journo and found it impossible to say "no comment on that one or "we've moved on from that issue now" or "let's concentrate on the good things"??? Because that's just what everyone is saying isn't it Amazing how some still seem to struggle with the concept of being supportive, appreciative and downright positive about the direction Cortese is taking us whilst being disappointed that this spat is still being played out in the media (by both sides I may add). I want to give NC a big slice of benefit of the doubt here as that quote just seems like it's been trimmed down for effect. I can imagine him mentioning LM and MLT before going on to talk about freebies but would be surprised if he directly insinuated that they had fallen out for purely that reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 (edited) So you're saying this ultra sharp, savvy and shrewd businessman was tricked in to pouring his heart out by a super sneaky and snidey Sun journo and found it impossible to say "no comment on that one or "we've moved on from that issue now" or "let's concentrate on the good things"??? Because that's just what everyone is saying isn't it Amazing how some still seem to struggle with the concept of being supportive, appreciative and downright positive about the direction Cortese is taking us whilst being disappointed that this spat is still being played out in the media (by both sides I may add). You can facepalm me all you want, Mr FoB-wannabe (!) however that's the exact viewpoint you'd have taken if it had fitted your agenda. Additionally, you are clearly forgetting the months of whinging by LM to the local toilet-rag. It works both ways, though it may have slipped your mind conveniently. And I wouldn't suggest The Sun's journo's are ultra-sharp and savvy. Take a look at the newspaper. No, seriously, go on. Take a look. It's not as if they're sensationalist about things, are they? *guffaw* Edited 24 September, 2011 by Crab Lungs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Cortese said: "Selling Alex was one of the saddest moments for me. "I didn't want to sell him and I still feel it was not right, whether I got a good deal in the end or not. "But it is hard when you have a player who wants to leave and I could see signs it was getting to him. "So I rang Ivan Gazidis to sort it out. "I said 'Meet me face to face and if we can't agree a deal within an hour promise me you will walk away and never come back.' "Ivan agreed and turned up flanked with lawyers while I sat there on my own. "He made me an offer and I flatly refused it and instead told him what I wanted. "He went away for a while to discuss it with his team and then came back and we got the deal done. It was a good deal for us but a sad day. Fan...bl00dy tastic. See Hypo found yet another thread to troll on, why entertain him MLG, he is what he is, and that's not a bus passenger.'' Have to say that was the bit that impressed me, too. Do a deal in one hour or get lost ! RESULT : £12 million on the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 You can facepalm me all you want, Mr FoB-wannabe (!) however that's the exact viewpoint you'd have taken if it had fitted your agenda. Additionally, you are clearly forgetting the months of whinging by LM to the local toilet-rag. It works both ways, though it may have slipped your mind conveniently. And I wouldn't suggest The Sun's journo's are ultra-sharp and savvy. Take a look at the newspaper. No, seriously, go on. Take a look. It's not as if their sensationalist about things, are they? *guffaw* Agenda, LMFAO you bedwetter. Next you'll be speaking of Dark Forces being at play. And I'm not forgetting Lawrie's months of whingeing (inc The Daily Mail piece when we played United earlier this year), nor am I forgetting Benali's totally unnecessary outburst on Soccer AM (mentioned earlier), nor Matty's constant gripes in various media outlets and have always said it works both ways (and have criticised all three of them for airing their grievances in public). But in this instance Cortese has raked it all up again and therefore the *****fest is on the agenda again and people are quite rightly criticising him for this unnecessary outburst (just as the others were criticised previously). But by doing that it doesn't mean people are saying "Cortese is the devil". Go and have a lie down if it's upsetting you that much (and don't forget to put the incontinence sheets down). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960saint Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 "shrewd businessman was tricked in to pouring his heart out by a super sneaky and snidey Sun journo" . Never happens at news international ,ex news of the world empire:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 I have to say that I admire Cortese and his hardball tactics with transfers etc on top of the good job he is doing of overseeing this club, but I do not like or understand the treatment he is dishing out to past servants of this club. Those that are not old enough to remember the likes of Lawrie or even Le God should not even comment on this topic as you really do not appreciate what the like of these two did for the club. As far as I am concerned , what these two did, along with others, they are more deserving than just free seats at SMS FFS. NC needs to get a little more in touch with the history of this club before he starts spouting off to the like of the Sun toiletpaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Now this is ambition... "I don't just expect to be promoted this year, I want us to be champions. When we are promoted to the Premier League I don't want people to think of us as immediate candidates for relegation. I see Southampton as a top-six Premier League club. Would I pay a player £100,000 or even £200,000 a week? Not if we were in the Premier League with a 32,000 capacity stadium. But if we were in the Champions League and had re-developed the ground to 50,000 then I might consider it." When he talks about I he should be talking about the Liebherr family. Nasty Nick is just an employee afterall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 I have defended your perspective and your right to be a grade A negative c**t on here on the past, but you've outdone yourself on this thread. Give it a rest with the f**king attention-seeking. ha ha, post of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Someone once told me you shouldn't p i s s on anyone on the way up, because you never know who you might need on the way down. Wise words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 I dont see how any genuine sane saints fan cannot be excited by what is happening to our club at the moment. Think back to a little over 2 years ago and remember how depressed we all were and the feeling of despair and anger at watching our great club that we love dying in front of us. Think back over the years to the chairmen we have had in place that due to their lack of vision and neglect of our club have led us to protest in the ground and march through the city in a desperate attempt to do something to change the fortunes of the club so many care about so passionately. I can remember the day we signed kevin keegan who as we all know had been crowned the European footballer of the year for the previous 2 seasons, i can remember when we won the fa cup and the effect that had on the city, i can recall finishing runners up in the league playing great football in 1984 and remember the pride i felt when le tissier was turning down various clubs offering much more money to show loyalty to southampton fc. These events along with all the other great moments i have enjoyed over the years being a saints fan however do not rank as important as the day Markus Liebherr and Nicola Cortese walked into our club with their vision. What they saw was the potential of this club, with the stadium, size of the fanbase etc. Of course Cortese is not responsible for scoring the goals on the pitch but he has been responsible for identifying the talent to make this happen. This includes the right manager for the job and the right players to get us back to where we belong in the top division. It is clear that Cortese has been bitten by the football bug and genuinely cares about southampton football club as a fan. He is a successful businessman who could clearly be off on other probably more financially rewarding projects but is getting huge enjoyment from what he is doing here. We have proven we can be a top 6 club in the top division, we were doing it on a regular basis in the early to mid 1980s. Of course football has changed since then but so have we. Back then we were restricted by the size of the dell. Lawrie McMenemy used to call us a big club playing in a small container. He also commented on our passionate support saying that in his homeland of the North East they danced in the street but in Southampton they care just as much about their club but the fans dance in their kitchens! I have spent some time living in the North East myself and used to go and watch both Newcastle and Sunderland and I can honestly say that the depth of loyalty and passion of Southampton fans is on a par. And of course much closer to home we often had to put up with people saying how great the Portsmouth fans were during there spell in the premier league...... where have all these great fans gone now Cortese has a vision for our club and unlike crazy chairmen like Michael Knighton and George Reynolds it is very realistic. With the right planning and structure that Cortese is putting in place there is absolutely no reason why we cannot go back to competing in the top half of the top division and getting back into European football. There will of course be doubters but sadly in life some people are just born naturally negative and depressed. These people who question Cortese's ability to lead us back to being a successful Premier league side also probably doubted his willingness to splash out on players. Yet we invested in Lambert and Fonte etc with the sort of money most teams in the division we were in at the time spent on the whole of their squad. These same people probably questioned his ability to hang onto our top talent and yes while we have sadly lost Chamberlain we have kept hold of Lallana who i think is a more important player to us right now and every player that was nearing the end of his contract who we wanted to keep has signed a contract extension over the last few months because they want to be part of what is happening here. These doubters questioned when Cortese brought in Nigel Adkins but he has delivered us a team that won promotion playing great football. These doubters then said this team would not be good enough for the championship and Cortese needed to invest in the squad. That investment has been shown in Cork and Fox especially but what both he and Adkins identified was this team was largely good enough to win promotion again and a large part of that was the team spirit that has been created. There are still people who are unhappy with Cortese because he has charged people to park in the car park to avoid people exploiting the club by parking there all day for free and walking into work in the city. Some are upset that great players and managers of our past are not given free tickets despite the fact that fans and even the chairman has to pay, this is a business after all. Surely it is better to focus on everything great that has been achieved since Cortese has walked into our club and remember he has delivered on everything he has set out to achieve to date and lets look at the the championship table and see who currently sits proudly at the top. Lets enjoy this time and lets look forward to the future because the plans and ambitions of our chairman are very exciting and achieveable. I feel blessed to have Cortese as our chairman and wouldnt swap him for anyone. This. Sadly there are fans who simply cant cope with not having something to moan about... and quite frankly they are getting very boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 I dont see how any genuine sane saints fan cannot be excited by what is happening to our club at the moment. Think back to a little over 2 years ago and remember how depressed we all were and the feeling of despair and anger at watching our great club that we love dying in front of us. Think back over the years to the chairmen we have had in place that due to their lack of vision and neglect of our club have led us to protest in the ground and march through the city in a desperate attempt to do something to change the fortunes of the club so many care about so passionately. I can remember the day we signed kevin keegan who as we all know had been crowned the European footballer of the year for the previous 2 seasons, i can remember when we won the fa cup and the effect that had on the city, i can recall finishing runners up in the league playing great football in 1984 and remember the pride i felt when le tissier was turning down various clubs offering much more money to show loyalty to southampton fc. These events along with all the other great moments i have enjoyed over the years being a saints fan however do not rank as important as the day Markus Liebherr and Nicola Cortese walked into our club with their vision. What they saw was the potential of this club, with the stadium, size of the fanbase etc. Of course Cortese is not responsible for scoring the goals on the pitch but he has been responsible for identifying the talent to make this happen. This includes the right manager for the job and the right players to get us back to where we belong in the top division. It is clear that Cortese has been bitten by the football bug and genuinely cares about southampton football club as a fan. He is a successful businessman who could clearly be off on other probably more financially rewarding projects but is getting huge enjoyment from what he is doing here. We have proven we can be a top 6 club in the top division, we were doing it on a regular basis in the early to mid 1980s. Of course football has changed since then but so have we. Back then we were restricted by the size of the dell. Lawrie McMenemy used to call us a big club playing in a small container. He also commented on our passionate support saying that in his homeland of the North East they danced in the street but in Southampton they care just as much about their club but the fans dance in their kitchens! I have spent some time living in the North East myself and used to go and watch both Newcastle and Sunderland and I can honestly say that the depth of loyalty and passion of Southampton fans is on a par. And of course much closer to home we often had to put up with people saying how great the Portsmouth fans were during there spell in the premier league...... where have all these great fans gone now Cortese has a vision for our club and unlike crazy chairmen like Michael Knighton and George Reynolds it is very realistic. With the right planning and structure that Cortese is putting in place there is absolutely no reason why we cannot go back to competing in the top half of the top division and getting back into European football. There will of course be doubters but sadly in life some people are just born naturally negative and depressed. These people who question Cortese's ability to lead us back to being a successful Premier league side also probably doubted his willingness to splash out on players. Yet we invested in Lambert and Fonte etc with the sort of money most teams in the division we were in at the time spent on the whole of their squad. These same people probably questioned his ability to hang onto our top talent and yes while we have sadly lost Chamberlain we have kept hold of Lallana who i think is a more important player to us right now and every player that was nearing the end of his contract who we wanted to keep has signed a contract extension over the last few months because they want to be part of what is happening here. These doubters questioned when Cortese brought in Nigel Adkins but he has delivered us a team that won promotion playing great football. These doubters then said this team would not be good enough for the championship and Cortese needed to invest in the squad. That investment has been shown in Cork and Fox especially but what both he and Adkins identified was this team was largely good enough to win promotion again and a large part of that was the team spirit that has been created. There are still people who are unhappy with Cortese because he has charged people to park in the car park to avoid people exploiting the club by parking there all day for free and walking into work in the city. Some are upset that great players and managers of our past are not given free tickets despite the fact that fans and even the chairman has to pay, this is a business after all. Surely it is better to focus on everything great that has been achieved since Cortese has walked into our club and remember he has delivered on everything he has set out to achieve to date and lets look at the the championship table and see who currently sits proudly at the top. Lets enjoy this time and lets look forward to the future because the plans and ambitions of our chairman are very exciting and achieveable. I feel blessed to have Cortese as our chairman and wouldnt swap him for anyone. That is an absolutely top post, the best I have read on here in a long, long time. It should be made a sticky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 That is an absolutely top post, the best I have read on here in a long, long time. It should be made a sticky. still was wrong today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 This. Sadly there are fans who simply cant cope with not having something to moan about... and quite frankly they are getting very boring. This is probably the most interesting post i've ever read of yours Frank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 still was wrong today It was also wrong for Benali to come out and air all his unprofessional views, live on Soccer AM. Both parties have made mistakes, there isn't a single person the blame can be pointed at in this debate. I wish they could all knock their heads together, but they won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 This is probably the most interesting post i've ever read of yours Frank. no it was because he was saying rubbish about our greatest ever player. I think we are entitled to be annoyed. I think it's great that people aren't so fickle just because we are winning to be able to forget what matty did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 no it was because he was saying rubbish about our greatest ever player. I think we are entitled to be annoyed. I think it's great that people aren't so fickle just because we are winning to be able to forget what matty did. Agreed. I'm really angry about Cortese sniping at MLT. Cortese has no idea about the history of this football club and what MLT means to fans. He should have, but it seems like he's so full of his own self importance that he doesn't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 It was also wrong for Benali to come out and air all his unprofessional views, live on Soccer AM. Both parties have made mistakes, there isn't a single person the blame can be pointed at in this debate. I wish they could all knock their heads together, but they won't. Problem is, Cortese is the chairman of SFC. Benali is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 And as I posted recently, recent interviews/pieces in The Echo have been very positive and full of praise of the Club. I understand LM's articles have been positive,and it seems he has offered some sort of olive branch to reconcile things. I wish NC would graciously accept it. For all the issues some dredge up about Lawrie there is no doubting his affection for the club, or place in its history. He certainly provided the best times of my forty years supporting Saints. Yes, he can be an unofficial 'spokesman' when the media want a Saints feature,but he is probably still the best orator or publicist we have if and when needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffo Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 The future is red and white. Great article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 Originally Posted by up and away There was a period where he believed that conspiracies and factions were undermining what he was trying to achieve. He was right to a certain extent that some were undermining what he was trying to achieve in having to under line Pardew being the selected manager for the following season, when we had several quoting in the Echo that Pardew should not be sacked. Pardew being subsequently sacked was to do with subsequent events and nothing to do with decisions at that point. As was borne out by events and subsequent comments, Pardew's tenure was under the severest of scrutiny at the end of that first season. A situation which then nosedived further over the summer. Behind the scenes there was obviously a struggle taking place (obvious to all apart from those who wanted to pretend things were all rosey). Personally I wouldn't call people commenting on an obvious power struggle as attempting to undermine or as being dark forces at play. Football is all about opinions and whenever "something" is going on at any club "old" players and interested parties are asked to comment on the situation by the media. As it turned out, Cortese has been vindicated by his stance, so fair play to him. From everything we have learned of Cortese from his tenure here, there is absolutely no way he would have sat down with Pardew to plan the way forward, underlining he would be in charge for the coming season without that being so. Now I accept he ripped him a new one over not prioritising the league and would accept no repetition. That was all settled and weighing up everything that Pardew had done, Cortese believed Pardew was the manager to take us forward. Now just imagine that the season has ended, you have started making arrangemets for the new season and just before you are all about to go off on holiday, you have all these reports in the Echo that Pardew should not be sacked. There was no intention from Cortese to sack Pardew at that juncture, but those Echo articles could have unsettled Pardew sufficiently to have caused the same effect. If all those responding to the Echo could not see the implications as to the effect this could have, they really should not speak in public when the consequences become that serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 From everything we have learned of Cortese from his tenure here, there is absolutely no way he would have sat down with Pardew to plan the way forward, underlining he would be in charge for the coming season without that being so. Now I accept he ripped him a new one over not prioritising the league and would accept no repetition. That was all settled and weighing up everything that Pardew had done, Cortese believed Pardew was the manager to take us forward. Now just imagine that the season has ended, you have started making arrangemets for the new season and just before you are all about to go off on holiday, you have all these reports in the Echo that Pardew should not be sacked. There was no intention from Cortese to sack Pardew at that juncture, but those Echo articles could have unsettled Pardew sufficiently to have caused the same effect. If all those responding to the Echo could not see the implications as to the effect this could have, they really should not speak in public when the consequences become that serious. You're more than welcome to that opinion, but I think subsequent events and comments would suggest that Cortese and Pardew had issues stemming from the back end of their first season which got worse over the close season and in to the start of the new one. Throw in Liebherrs untimely passing and it gets even more complicated. Those commenting on the situation were the symptons, certainly not the root cause of the underlying problems, so whilst some might not have liked the gossip and opinions, I think that's not the same as engineering the situation by their comments. I simply don't believe that either Cortese would sack Pardew because of third party's comments in the press, or Pardew would be unsettled by others tittle tattle. Both of them are too professional and hard nosed for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 Now just imagine that the season has ended, you have started making arrangemets for the new season and just before you are all about to go off on holiday, you have all these reports in the Echo that Pardew should not be sacked. There was no intention from Cortese to sack Pardew at that juncture, but those Echo articles could have unsettled Pardew sufficiently to have caused the same effect. If all those responding to the Echo could not see the implications as to the effect this could have, they really should not speak in public when the consequences become that serious. I see this as the other way round, rumours only began to circulate because the club were silent on the issue of Pardew's position.The longer the club were silent the greater the rumour was fuelled. No wonder a local newspaper were reporting on it. The club, and NC in particular could have culled this within a week of the previous season finishing if they'd had a mind to.It reminded me of the 'strachan to Leeds' rumour, that was equally badly handled by the club. My own view on the Pardew episode though was that he had lost interest 2010/11 and his relationship with NC broken.Whether as a consequence of the rumours,lack of public backing earlier,we'll never really know.Perhaps he knew there would be a phone call from Mike Ashley soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Trubble Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 For all the NC doubters, haters and so on, let's look at this scenario 1) NC to stay, warts and all, we take him as he is, rights and wrongs as they are all part of his vision. 2) NC to go and we look for a new chairman again, he might give free tickets to our legends, he might take the club further, quicker. Which would you choose, the situation that we are in now or the one that could be with a new man at the helm. How many would roll the dice? Stick or twist? I am for the first option. We haven't had it so good in years and yet we can't wait to stick the knife in and twist it hard. I wished some players could have free tickets and so on, it would be nice but that's it. NC is controlling all areas and just wishes to be consistent, if he gives some without others, he undermines the philosophy that he has in place. Rewards will be given to those that contribute in the present time to the long-term plan and vision that he his constantly mind-mapping and it's for the benefit of us all, for our future. It may be harsh but the cards are laid on the table, no double standards, no hidden aganda, just a simple message: I am steering this ship, if you are with me then work together with me and trust my decisions, if you are not, then walk the plank - The choice is yours. Ultimately, some fall into line and some seek to undermine. NC seems to make the point that if you choose to undermine, then you are not welcome. That might go against the grain with some but you can't please all of the people, all of the time. So, stick with him or shall we twist? Who want's to roll the dice and start all over again? Not me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 For all the NC doubters, haters and so on, let's look at this scenario 1) NC to stay, warts and all, we take him as he is, rights and wrongs as they are all part of his vision. 2) NC to go and we look for a new chairman again, he might give free tickets to our legends, he might take the club further, quicker. Which would you choose, the situation that we are in now or the one that could be with a new man at the helm. How many would roll the dice? Stick or twist? I am for the first option. We haven't had it so good in years and yet we can't wait to stick the knife in and twist it hard. I wished some players could have free tickets and so on, it would be nice but that's it. NC is controlling all areas and just wishes to be consistent, if he gives some without others, he undermines the philosophy that he has in place. Rewards will be given to those that contribute in the present time to the long-term plan and vision that he his constantly mind-mapping and it's for the benefit of us all, for our future. It may be harsh but the cards are laid on the table, no double standards, no hidden aganda, just a simple message: I am steering this ship, if you are with me then work together with me and trust my decisions, if you are not, then walk the plank - The choice is yours. Ultimately, some fall into line and some seek to undermine. NC seems to make the point that if you choose to undermine, then you are not welcome. That might go against the grain with some but you can't please all of the people, all of the time. So, stick with him or shall we twist? Who want's to roll the dice and start all over again? Not me! This. Clearly the club was a shambles before Cortese took over with a lot of people taking advantage of the mess from time wasting staff to to freeloading legends.What was needed was a firm hand which is what NC did with spectacular results. So what if a few well heeled hangers on have had thier nose put out of joint ? I am well happy with the way the club is going and I know most Saints fans are too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 This. Clearly the club was a shambles before Cortese took over with a lot of people taking advantage of the mess from time wasting staff to to freeloading legends.What was needed was a firm hand which is what NC did with spectacular results. So what if a few well heeled hangers on have had thier nose put out of joint ? I am well happy with the way the club is going and I know most Saints fans are too. Now imagine the scenario in which Cortese and/or the Liebherrs walk away and the club is looknig for finance and those 'hangers on' once again try to do their best for the club they clearly love... I would love to live in black and white. To describe Matt Le Tissier as a hanger on is rather sad and reflects as poorly on you as anyone else who has no appreciation for loyalty and history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 Now imagine the scenario in which Cortese and/or the Liebherrs walk away and the club is looknig for finance and those 'hangers on' once again try to do their best for the club they clearly love... I would love to live in black and white. To describe Matt Le Tissier as a hanger on is rather sad and reflects as poorly on you as anyone else who has no appreciation for loyalty and history. I didnt mean MLT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 Clearly the club was a shambles before Cortese took over That's quite a damning indictment of Lowe's last season in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 He'll be on page 3 before we know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 That's quite a damning indictment of Lowe's last season in charge. You know what I meant. Anyway I have a new hero now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 You know what I meant. But surely Lowe was last in charge, so he must have been complicit in this "complete shambles", the "time wasting staff" and "freeloading legends". I very much doubt Mark Fry introduced this profligate way of running the Club at a time when he was cutting things to the bone, so either it was there before he came in or it's been somewhat over exaggerated since then. So which one is it Manji?? Has it been somewhat overegged by some in recent arguments, or was it presided over by Lowe on his watch??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 I understand LM's articles have been positive,and it seems he has offered some sort of olive branch to reconcile things. I wish NC would graciously accept it. For all the issues some dredge up about Lawrie there is no doubting his affection for the club, or place in its history. He certainly provided the best times of my forty years supporting Saints. Yes, he can be an unofficial 'spokesman' when the media want a Saints feature,but he is probably still the best orator or publicist we have if and when needed. In the beginning Cortese invited several involved with Saints to be the clubs guests at games, including Lawrie. I am sure this extends to this day after meeting a couple at the Liebherr trophy who were guests for the day. The crux came when they were all told that there is no free permanent ride for anyone. Now the fact that some saw this as demeaning and let it be known that Cortese can shove it hardly helps the cause. Cortese took his time and went over everything that had happened to bring Saints to it's knees and one of the main things he decided to eradicate was any hint of politics within the club. So when he decides the best way is for everyone to pay their way, irrespective of whether they worked for the club or not, you are directly confronting the man as the way to take the club forward by going against that. For me the removal of politics has been the main reason this club has progressed so well and things have combined to maximise the team on the pitch. It's not really a question of an olive branch, it's a direction you either accept or reject. Alternatively you can say you buy your own ticket and sit in someone else's box. Lawries affection for the club comes with some major proviso's that falls within his ego and liking, otherwise he is just as likely to reject it out of hand. When Wilde was found out, we really needed a steadying figure in the boardroom to take things forward and do the best for the club. Something that could of been done with consultation with either Wilde or Lowe. But what we got was face to face slagging matches that were meant to be deciding the path of the club. Lawrie is great if things are on his terms, if not he can be a nightmare. Matty is a different character and one of the few things that kept me going during the dark days was his greatest goals CD. But Matty still does not accept to this day how close he came to destroying the club, even though it was done in the best intentions. Everyone could see that Micky Falka was never going to find the money down the back of the sofa and he should of seen through this early on and backed out to try and avoid the damage that could have occured, rather than keep faith with Falka. When he signed his auto I asked then if he still believed (as he put in the book) that he did the right thing to the end. If Liebherr had walked away at that point, there was so little time left that the administrator would only have accepted straight bids without any due diligence, otherwise it was straight to liquidation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 For me the removal of politics has been the main reason this club has progressed so well and things have combined to maximise the team on the pitch. How do you work this one out? - give specific examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 In the beginning Cortese invited several involved with Saints to be the clubs guests at games, including Lawrie. I am sure this extends to this day after meeting a couple at the Liebherr trophy who were guests for the day. The crux came when they were all told that there is no free permanent ride for anyone. Now the fact that some saw this as demeaning and let it be known that Cortese can shove it hardly helps the cause. Cortese took his time and went over everything that had happened to bring Saints to it's knees and one of the main things he decided to eradicate was any hint of politics within the club. So when he decides the best way is for everyone to pay their way, irrespective of whether they worked for the club or not, you are directly confronting the man as the way to take the club forward by going against that. For me the removal of politics has been the main reason this club has progressed so well and things have combined to maximise the team on the pitch. It's not really a question of an olive branch, it's a direction you either accept or reject. Alternatively you can say you buy your own ticket and sit in someone else's box. Lawries affection for the club comes with some major proviso's that falls within his ego and liking, otherwise he is just as likely to reject it out of hand. When Wilde was found out, we really needed a steadying figure in the boardroom to take things forward and do the best for the club. Something that could of been done with consultation with either Wilde or Lowe. But what we got was face to face slagging matches that were meant to be deciding the path of the club. Lawrie is great if things are on his terms, if not he can be a nightmare. Matty is a different character and one of the few things that kept me going during the dark days was his greatest goals CD. But Matty still does not accept to this day how close he came to destroying the club, even though it was done in the best intentions. Everyone could see that Micky Falka was never going to find the money down the back of the sofa and he should of seen through this early on and backed out to try and avoid the damage that could have occured, rather than keep faith with Falka. When he signed his auto I asked then if he still believed (as he put in the book) that he did the right thing to the end. If Liebherr had walked away at that point, there was so little time left that the administrator would only have accepted straight bids without any due diligence, otherwise it was straight to liquidation. Ridiculous. Also if you really thought we would have got to liquidation then you aren't really worth listening to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 Ridiculous. Also if you really thought we would have got to liquidation then you aren't really worth listening to. Where do you think we'd be now had the Pinnacle bid gone through? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 There is no way in a million years we would have been liquidated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 not saying we would have, but had the Pinnacle bid gone through, there is no way in a million years we'd be sat at the top of the Championship now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 Where do you think we'd be now had the Pinnacle bid gone through? What has that got to do with anything? The only two points I was making was that Matt had no part in almost destroying the club. Secondly, there was no way we were ever going to be liquidated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 But Matty still does not accept to this day how close he came to destroying the club, I can understand why he doesn't accept he came close to destroying the Club!!!!! He may not have succeeded in rescuing it with "his" Pinnacle bid, but that's a totally different thing from saying he was close to destroying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 What has that got to do with anything? The only two points I was making was that Matt had no part in almost destroying the club. Secondly, there was no way we were ever going to be liquidated. But he did he was the public face of the bid and to some he gave it credibilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 What has that got to do with anything? The only two points I was making was that Matt had no part in almost destroying the club. Secondly, there was no way we were ever going to be liquidated. Well if you think that Matt had no part in almost destroying the club then by association you don't think the Pinnacle bid would have been disatrous. Ok, we wouldn't have been liquidated but it would have caused more misery and instability to our club. He was naive and stupid to front that bid. Anyone could have done their homework and realised it was a scam. Especially when it concerns something you supposedly love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 25 September, 2011 Share Posted 25 September, 2011 (edited) Well if you think that Matt had no part in almost destroying the club then by association you don't think the Pinnacle bid would have been disatrous. Ok, we wouldn't have been liquidated but it would have caused more misery and instability to our club. He was naive and stupid to front that bid. Anyone could have done their homework and realised it was a scam. Especially when it concerns something you supposedly love. That's funny because quite a lot of people on this forum were saying the deal was dodgy and were getting hell's abuse from happy-clapper scarfers squinnying that negative thoughts on this forum would scupper the deal. The Pinnacle bid would never have happened, MLT had seen the light on that towards the end anyway, so there is no point throwing forward some made-up scenario where they were successful in their bid and then "disastrous". Either way, we would have never, ever have been "destroyed" by Matthew Le Tissier. Cretins on this forum are a disgrace at present. Earlier on someone was saying MLT's contribution was worth no more than "my mum who worked at Tesco for 30 years" and now this garbage. This is Matthew Le Tissier you people are belittling, smearing and sneering at. Shame on all of you. Edited 25 September, 2011 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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