manji Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Cortese is an embarrassment to Southampton FC. MLT and LM and all the other legends that Clotese have fallen out with and a have Saints what it it, will be around long time after that little squirt has slopped off. Has there ever been such a "look at me" article written? Full on drooling bed-wetter even your avatar confirms it. Presumably you are one of the fanontheboarding , legends demoing , carparkprotesting, Richardchorleyloving lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Yep, I agree with this, and I found parts of the article quite cringeworthy. The positives of it are that it is a lifting of the media blanket that seems to have enveloped the club, and a positive editorial written not by the OS or the Daily Echo. Added to the recent BBC article about NA, it shows the progression made by the club and that what we're doing is definitely being seen ina positive light. I just think the tone of it comes across as a bit arrogant and self-promotional. A bit too much "look at me, I'm great, I stung Arsenal for too much money but I'm still ready to roll my sleeves up and clean the bus up 'cos I'm that type of guy". It's reminiscent of "Just call me Mike" in our Saints go Wilde abomination. I don't mind Cortese at all, I think he's made a few silly small mistakes but overall has made a massively positive influence on the club. But I don't think thsi article will do him too many favours, particularly amongst the neutrals. Good comment. Pretty much agree with all of that. It's nt sensationalist, it's an entirely valid view to hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 There was a period where he believed that conspiracies and factions were undermining what he was trying to achieve. He was right to a certain extent that some were undermining what he was trying to achieve in having to under line Pardew being the selected manager for the following season, when we had several quoting in the Echo that Pardew should not be sacked. Pardew being subsequently sacked was to do with subsequent events and nothing to do with decisions at that point. As was borne out by events and subsequent comments, Pardew's tenure was under the severest of scrutiny at the end of that first season. A situation which then nosedived further over the summer. Behind the scenes there was obviously a struggle taking place (obvious to all apart from those who wanted to pretend things were all rosey). Personally I wouldn't call people commenting on an obvious power struggle as attempting to undermine or as being dark forces at play. Football is all about opinions and whenever "something" is going on at any club "old" players and interested parties are asked to comment on the situation by the media. As it turned out, Cortese has been vindicated by his stance, so fair play to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 I suppose that is dependent upon whether all you care about is results and how much you are bothered by some of the smaller errors of judgement. It's sort of like how I'm not too keen on us winning promotion or at least staying there long term as my participation in terms of going to games will be dramatically reduced. In that sense I'm selfish. I would rather see saints being less successful and get to go to the majority of games than see saints doing well in the premiership but only being able to go to a handful. No doubt some will now go overboard about this interview and w*nk themselves silly over players coming here and being paid £100,000 but I hope that the majority of comments will be more measured as they have been thus far and that people won't resort to abuse if someone posts something that isn't calling Cortese a genius. We live in hope. So that's why you post such carp, you actually want us to do badly so you have something to do on a Saturday. Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 I have been lucky enough to get to know MLT a little through all the help and time he has given us with the books and I have even crossed swords with him over the Pinnacle affair but I do want to say this. He is as big a Saints fan as anyone reading this and would not expect to get free tickets and certainly would not knowingly do anything to de-stabilise the club. I have also recently had conversations with LM - again history related - and his love for Southampton FC burns as brightly as it ever did, regardless what people may say, rightly or wrongly about his ego. I think this needs to be said. I also acknowledge that NC seems to be doing an excellent job with running our football club, in NA he has found a manager who seems to be able to build an excellent team spirit which is going a long way to us being, right now, a really good attractive football team. I just wish NC could build bridges with Matt and Lawrie - there is much to be said for all pulling in the same direction as he acknowledges in the article. Finally it goes without saying, it was a massive blow that ML died when he did, because I have this fear that his family will not want to put the same level of finance into the club. I think were he still alive then NC's ambitions of Champions League and a bigger stadium could well have been realised in time but now, working on his own, the task will be that much tougher. To survive in the Premiership these days you need outside investment, to do well in it you need billions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibizasaint Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 fingers crossed then eh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Why in God's name should a chairman be judged on his PR ability any more than his ability to run a successful football club?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 I dont see how any genuine sane saints fan cannot be excited by what is happening to our club at the moment. Think back to a little over 2 years ago and remember how depressed we all were and the feeling of despair and anger at watching our great club that we love dying in front of us. Unfortunately there seems to be a % that enjoy the struggles more than the positive forward thinking club we have now. Bizzare, but that's how it looks to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Bridges are built from two sides right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 The sad thing is if the guy came out and said "the plan is to stay in the championship a few years, maybe oneday we will get promoted" etc then the same people would slag him off for lack of ambition. We would have 30 posts by the same negative people having a pop at him. He can't win. Anyone else thinking there maybe something personal behind this hatred for him? I think a few of them are just moaners for the sake of moaners but I also think there is a small vocal minority that dont like Cortese because his success has scuppered any chance of this club being a parochial , fanontheboard led club. I believe when Lowe left they hoped for a club with MLT or LM as figurehead Chairman , a consortium of local businessmen and an uber-fan driven board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Why in God's name should a chairman be judged on his PR ability any more than his ability to run a successful football club?! Stop being sensible its unbecoming on this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Unfortunately there seems to be a % that enjoy the struggles more than the positive forward thinking club we have now. Bizzare, but that's how it looks to me. Spot on. Of course they do. The interviews in The Echo , the "open letters to fans", the Legends fronted protest meetings , the demos , the sit-downs , the photos in The Echo the (here we go again) potential for one of them being a fanontheboard or club historian and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Why in God's name should a chairman be judged on his PR ability any more than his ability to run a successful football club?! Totally. Which is why I always say I neither like nor dislike the guy - it's irrelevant. What's relevant is we are top of the league and for that he deserves admiration, congratulation and gratitude. I don't like Ferguson much if at all - but it doesn't stop me lauding him as the best manager of the modern era, possibly all time. The fact he refused to speak to the BBC all those years didn't stop him being the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Bridges are built from two sides right? Absolutely, and when this sorry affair first raised its head a year or so ago I said as much back then. I think the bedwetters on here called it wrong when they got all hysterical and were trying to make out there were dark forces in the background trying to undermine the Club, instead I see it as a clash of egos with blame on both sides (as someone mentioned above I thought Benali was wrong to air his grievances on Soccer AM and it's disappointing to see Cortese bring it up again in this piece). Duncan, what's you relationship like with Cortese and the Club??? Could'nt you get them all to Camp David and broker a peace deal??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 The sad thing is if the guy came out and said "the plan is to stay in the championship a few years, maybe oneday we will get promoted" etc then the same people would slag him off for lack of ambition. We would have 30 posts by the same negative people having a pop at him. He can't win. Anyone else thinking there maybe something personal behind this hatred for him? I don't think in truth he even said that CL was his ambition. This is what he said: "I see Southampton as a top-six Premier League club. "Would I pay a player £100,000 or even £200,000 a week? "Not if we were in the Premier League with a 32,000 capacity stadium. "But if we were in the Champions League and had re-developed the ground to 50,000 then I might consider it." That is a very reasonable ambition but all some people have read is Champion's League. What they don't see if the difference between - I want to meet and marry a good looking girl, and I think I might land Kylie Minogue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 I don't like Ferguson much if at all - but it doesn't stop me lauding him as the best manager of the modern era, possibly all time. And I don't think it's confined to football or even sport in general. Sometimes to get to the top and succeed, you have to be one tough, cold hearted, self centred barsteward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 So that's why you post such carp, you actually want us to do badly so you have something to do on a Saturday. Unbelievable. You really failed to understand what I wrote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Hypo, I have defended your perspective and your right to be a grade A negative c**t on here on the past, but you've outdone yourself on this thread. Give it a rest with the f**king attention-seeking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 You really failed to understand what I wrote. Terribly sorry, an English Literature degree doesn't quite cut-it when interpreting the genius that is hypo. You said you would rather see saints being less successful and get to go to the majority of games than see saints doing well in the premiership but only being able to go to a handful. Can't really see how that can be misinterpreted. The only way we could not play in the premiership is through failing to get enough points for promotion. The only way we couldn't get those points is by losing. You can't say you don't want us to get promoted (because you can't afford premiership football) but also say you want us to do as well as we possibly can. Surely your dauntingly-impressive intellect can grasp that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 And I don't think it's confined to football or even sport in general. Sometimes to get to the top and succeed, you have to be one tough, cold hearted, self centred barsteward. I'm not sure you ever have to be so - it's just that some people choose to be. There are, thankfully, some people who rise to the top without being so and who have never had a bad word to say or said about them. Sadly, they are rare... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Hypo, I have defended your perspective and your right to be a grade A negative c**t on here on the past, but you've outdone yourself on this thread. Give it a rest with the f**king attention-seeking. "Poacher turned Gamekeeper";) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Terribly sorry, an English Literature degree doesn't quite cut-it when interpreting the genius that is hypo. You said you would rather see saints being less successful and get to go to the majority of games than see saints doing well in the premiership but only being able to go to a handful. Can't really see how that can be misinterpreted. The only way we could not play in the premiership is through failing to get enough points for promotion. The only way we couldn't get those points is by losing. You can't say you don't want us to get promoted (because you can't afford premiership football) but also say you want us to do as well as we possibly can. Surely your dauntingly-impressive intellect can grasp that. and when we lose enough games not to go up...you can bet your life hypo will be on here slating adkins (like he has done in the past) in a completely over the top way and bash NC for being NC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Hypo, I have defended your perspective and your right to be a grade A negative c**t on here on the past, but you've outdone yourself on this thread. Give it a rest with the f**king attention-seeking. Get the flags out I agree with Alpine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 and when we lose enough games not to go up...you can bet your life hypo will be on here slating adkins (like he has done in the past) in a completely over the top way and bash NC for being NC Nope. Set out my stall ages ago. The decent start means top six and we will have done well. I've said that consistently. Wrong again Jamie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperm_john Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 he's exactly what this club has needed for ages ...someone with a bit of edge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
23rdSaint Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 I woke up this morning to find what I saw as an extremely positive, ambitious, and exciting article in the Sun. I was happy. Then I read this thread in its entirety... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Terribly sorry, an English Literature degree doesn't quite cut-it when interpreting the genius that is hypo. What an up your own arse pretensious reply, ohh look at me i have a degree... is it possible you just misunderstood him? Oh and for what it's worth who gives a **** what he says to the press so long as we win, we're not all MLT type autistic special needs cases, some of us have a life too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 What an up your own arse pretensious reply, ohh look at me i have a degree... is it possible you just misunderstood him? Oh and for what it's worth who gives a **** what he says to the press so long as we win, we're not all MLT type autistic special needs cases, some of us have a life too. Read what he said, how have I misunderstood it? Not a 'look at me', just making the point that it's possible other people have as much of a grasp of interpretation as he does. I agree with your second point, in fact I said that just above, so don't understand your beef. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Would be amazing to see Saints in the Prem with even a 40,000 capacity St Mary's (expanded Kingsland), and I think that possibility would be very realistic right now if ML was still with us. I hope NC is able to continue the dream, certainly NC / NA have created a superb spirit at the club, long may it continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Top bloke is our Chairman. He has put Saints back on the UK football map already and we're still not anywhere near where he wants to take us yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 I was playing football today at the leisure centre and other football fans were talking about the story in The Sun. The general feeling was and I quote 'seems like you guys have got it bloody good at the moment' This was from an Arsenal fan. None of them said at any stage your chairman seems up himself. It was all positive and other fans are noticing Saints and this can only help! An Everton fan said 'You club is well run these day'. I tell you what I cannot stop smiling to myself today, and all these comments in the sleepy town of Royston!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Very very proud to be a Saints fan and show it these days. I have never shyed away from being a Saints fan, and show and letting other know I am, just now I am making to most of it and lording about even to some of the premier league clubs. I really have never enjoyed supporting Saints so much in my lifetime. The closest was 2003!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Nice and positive ...onwards and upwards we go!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 You can't say you don't want us to get promoted (because you can't afford premiership football) but also say you want us to do as well as we possibly can. Surely your dauntingly-impressive intellect can grasp that. I suspect that Hypo is typical of the kind of 'fan' that Cortese doesn't mind losing as his five year plan unfolds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 While reading that article i saw an advert next to it showing this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 We do not have, and never will have the resources to back up an ambition to be a champion's league club regularly filling out a 50,000 stadium. This thread is bizarre. Cortese getting praised for his "straight talking". Saying he expects us to win the league this season, and that we may pay £200k wages when we have a 50,000 seater stadium is not "straight talking". It's ambitious, it's stretching, it's what some fans want to hear, it sounds jolly exciting but it is not "straight talking". As others have said, other chairman of ours saying anything similar would get crucified. Anyone from any other club in Britain would get short shrift on this forum too. If Gus Poyet came out and said the exact same words as Nicola here, there would not be enough mops in the world to clean up the response from the bedwetters on this forum. You people would be going freaking ballistic. When the Blackburn idiots said similar last season we all laughed. When Sam Allardyce says he could manage Real Madrid everyone laughs. I also remember I said I expected us to get promoted last season, and I said Cortese would expect us to get promoted last season. In September 2010 this is, when Adkins got apppointed. Plenty of bedwetters on here then slated me for being impatient, immature. Some people (Pilchards is one I can remember) were trotting out the bo ll ocks about Adkins needing two seasons to "settle in" and get promoted in the third. Settling in, bedding down, stop being so arrogant, he needs time, stop putting pressure on. All that sh it e. All that "we're so even handed, you expect too much" rubbish I had to read in response to my posts. Well, we've heard it now. Cortese expects us to be champions this season. So you can all belt up about the Championship being harder this season. And don't bore us with "we need to establish ourselves and push on next year". And if we hit a rough patch, you can forget wheeling out "well, look how far we've come, we were 22nd in the third tier a year ago, we don't have a divine right to beat Coventry City". Cortese expects us to be champions this season. Swallow it up. Remember when you bunch of girls start having a pop at those forum posters who expect us to win every game, that that worldview is far closer to our Chairman's than your view of "haven't we done jolly well to draw three in row". The form we have shown so far is merely what the chairman expects, not some added bonus. We're winners now. Get used to the mindset. Except in the article I read the quote says that he 'wants' to be champions this season ... not 'expects'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 I don't think in truth he even said that CL was his ambition. This is what he said: "I see Southampton as a top-six Premier League club. "Would I pay a player £100,000 or even £200,000 a week? "Not if we were in the Premier League with a 32,000 capacity stadium. "But if we were in the Champions League and had re-developed the ground to 50,000 then I might consider it." That is a very reasonable ambition but all some people have read is Champion's League. What they don't see if the difference between - I want to meet and marry a good looking girl, and I think I might land Kylie Minogue... Exactly. Not sure why hypo is getting his little wet panties in a twist again. In answer to a qestion about paying a player 200k a week, he said only if the club was in the champions league and we had a 55k stadium. What's wrong with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Stelling just tore into NC on sky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Jeff Stelling has just torn NC a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr27 Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Geoff Stelling has just airred his views on Soccer Saturday of his interview! I wonder if he'll now be allowed in St Marys Doesn't he live in Bishops Waltham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Well I dont think he'll be making up with MLT and big Mac anytime soon after Jeff Stellings little outburst!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Originally, I was very pleased with this article but had a couple of silly niggles with it. Having read the rest of this thread and how it is turning out, I feel I need to adjust my opinion of it in order to give it more balance. I now think this article is absolutely frooking awesome! perfect! WONDERFUL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 You only have to look at Coventry and the Blue Few to see how new owners turn out for some sides. The sacking of Wotte & Pardew, the appointment of Adkins and the general running of the side can not be faulted. It turns out that our chiarman knew more about football and who should manage our club, than the moaners on here.Behind the scenes we appear to be seriously well run, despite the digs aimed by some at Les Read in previous threads. Without any fuss our top players are signing new contracts, our only major sale was conducted in a top professional way, with a deal that at first glance looks great for the club. My respect for Lawrie is second to none, he is a legend in my eyes and a remarkable figure in this clubs history. I wish that something could be sorted out and I'm saddened that there is this hanging over him and NC, same with Matt. Apart from that what on earth have people got to complain about, after years of 2 bob businessmen like Askams, Lowe and Crouch, we have someone like NC running our club. He's doing a great job, that's not an opinion, that's fact. A glance at the league table will confirm what a great job he's done in a very short time. Stop bloody moaning and enjoy it.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Doesn't he live in Bishops Waltham? He does. Lives just down the road from me. Met him a few times and is a really nice guy. Totally down to earth. I didn't hear what was said but he is good friends with Matt so obviously that would be why he said it. Which again would just fuel the fire and make it petty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 . double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairdylegend Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Great article...in the Sun? Come on. Intriguing to see his ambition, how much of it is hot air to appease fans who knows. That said I've got alot of time for Cortese, but I wouldn't trust a character like that. He shouldn't speak to the Sun - the paper is a cancer, no need to kiss and make up with that sort of outfit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 He does. Lives just down the road from me. Met him a few times and is a really nice guy. Totally down to earth. I didn't hear what was said but he is good friends with Matt so obviously that would be why he said it. Which again would just fuel the fire and make it petty. Exactly, NC's made his decision and thats that, stop f*****g b!tching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 While reading that article i saw an advert next to it showing this Yes they just want attention, the best way is to reply to the tread, and NOT directly to the attention seeker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Either this one or a Hypo post ? Exactly, NC's made his decision and thats that, stop f*****g b!tching It may have passed you by but Stelling's robust defence of MLT and Lawrie was a direct response to Cortese reopening old wounds by criticising them in The Sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 In response to being asked the question about it. To which he could (and should) have replied along the lines of, "that's in the past, let's talk about the positives of today and the future". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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