Saint-Armstrong Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 Southampton are leading the field as they begin to trial Hawk-Eye. FIFA will be visiting in November to observe Stage One of the Trial Process. Link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/sep/22/bolton-wanderers-debts-gary-cahill (see half way down) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeSixty Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 Makes sense, Hawkeye are a Hampshire company if i recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 Makes sense, Hawkeye are a Hampshire company if i recall. Wasn't it a teacher at a Winchester school who invented it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 I desperately hope this goal-line experimentation finds success. I just can't help but feel that the whole process will be disrupted by FIFA's grubbiness and that the best solution may be shelved in favour of whoever can stump up the thickest brown envelope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 Roke Manor developed it in Romsey and later a new company Hawkeye Innovations were set up in Winchester to market it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 I hope we never get technology in football. Part of what makes the game great is having controversial talking points. England may not have won the world cup in '66 if we had goal line technology. Who knows? We may have gone on to win it if we had it in South Africa last year (admittedly, highly unlikely). But its controversy like that which makes the game interesting, and in the long run those sort of close decisions generally balance themselves out anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 I hope we never get technology in football. Part of what makes the game great is having controversial talking points. England may not have won the world cup in '66 if we had goal line technology. Who knows? We may have gone on to win it if we had it in South Africa last year (admittedly, highly unlikely). But its controversy like that which makes the game interesting, and in the long run those sort of close decisions generally balance themselves out anyway... I certainly hope it goes no further than goal line technology; that would completely ruin the game as it would be far too disruptive. But if a technology like this can be introduced that will instantly tell the ref if the ball has crossed the line or not, I can only see that as a good thing. And I think it would be a backwards step to try and suppress the development of that technology, just for the sake of "tradition". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 I hope we never get technology in football. Part of what makes the game great is having controversial talking points. England may not have won the world cup in '66 if we had goal line technology. Who knows? We may have gone on to win it if we had it in South Africa last year (admittedly, highly unlikely). But its controversy like that which makes the game interesting, and in the long run those sort of close decisions generally balance themselves out anyway... Too much money riding on results of sporting events now'r days to allow 'matter of fact' line decisions to be left to numpty officials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmatt Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 Agree with not having technology in football, should be the same game whether played at the top level or in the Sunday leagues. One of the few sports where this is still the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 Agree with not having technology in football, should be the same game whether played at the top level or in the Sunday leagues. One of the few sports where this is still the case. It isn't though. UEFA cup (and I think maybe now Champions League?) allows for the extra officials behind the goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 (edited) I hope we never get technology in football. It is already in football. Ref assistants have a button on their flags connected to a device that alerts the ref and they also all have microphones down to League Two level. Part of what makes the game great is having controversial talking points. England may not have won the world cup in '66 if we had goal line technology. Who knows? We may have gone on to win it if we had it in South Africa last year (admittedly, highly unlikely). But its controversy like that which makes the game interesting, and in the long run those sort of close decisions generally balance themselves out anyway... Well that is nonsense. If for example a murderer was let off because we refused to use DNA evidence technology in the British legal system, would that make the legal system "great"? Just because something is controversial it doesn't mean it is a good thing. Also to say "they balance out" is also a nonsense, there is no reason why it would. Edited 23 September, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 23 September, 2011 Author Share Posted 23 September, 2011 It is already in football. Ref assistants have a button on their flags connected to a device that alerts the ref and they also all have microphones down to League Two level. Well that is nonsense. If for example a murderer was let off because we refused to use DNA evidence technology in the British legal system, would that make the legal system "great"? Just because something is controversial it doesn't mean it is a good thing. Well that's very different. It's not a matter of life and death... It's much more important than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 Agree with not having technology in football, should be the same game whether played at the top level or in the Sunday leagues. One of the few sports where this is still the case. Since when has football been the same at top level as on park pitches? I have played in matches with crooked goalposts, no nets, inept referees, no proper linesmen, bumpy pitches. The goalposts at SMS are straight and the pitch flat and carpetlike. The game is not the same at top and bottom. Agree with goal line technology as so whether the ball has crossed the line. Top matches dont have many goals and it is too important to get wrong. Would hate to see video refs as in Rugby as it would slow the game down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 I cricket really that much worse for knowing whether someone caught the ball or not? Or tennis for getting a line shout right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 Never heard of him, is he Native American? More importantly, does he play up front? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 Did notice there was a different angle on one of the cameras in the highlights on SaintsPlayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 Did notice there was a different angle on one of the cameras in the highlights on SaintsPlayer. The angle that looks like CCTV? Quite liked that angle actually, can see the movement of players building up to the goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 Did notice there was a different angle on one of the cameras in the highlights on SaintsPlayer. The angle that looks like CCTV? Quite liked that angle actually' date=' can see the movement of players building up to the goals.[/quote'] That is a prozone camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 Roke Manor developed it in Romsey and later a new company Hawkeye Innovations were set up in Winchester to market it. I have had some dealings with Roke Manor over the course of my career. There are some seriously smart people working there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 Agree with not having technology in football, should be the same game whether played at the top level or in the Sunday leagues. One of the few sports where this is still the case. Have you tried getting 4 qualified oficials for a Sunday league match? Lucky to get one. Its not the same game any more, hasn't been for a long time. Goal line technology is one thing we really do need. I wouldn't want things to go much further than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 Hawk Eye at SMS Cool. Won't have to worry about dodgy LBW decisions over the winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 I hope we never get technology in football. Part of what makes the game great is having controversial talking points. England may not have won the world cup in '66 if we had goal line technology. Who knows? We may have gone on to win it if we had it in South Africa last year (admittedly, highly unlikely). But its controversy like that which makes the game interesting, and in the long run those sort of close decisions generally balance themselves out anyway... This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 Agree with not having technology in football, should be the same game whether played at the top level or in the Sunday leagues. One of the few sports where this is still the case. Really, how many Sunday league games have a fourth official and all in touch via microphone and headphones? I find this idea that a game played in a park for fun and the same game played for international recognition and billions of pounds should be the same a bit bizarre, if I'm honest. Does Formula One make someone racing a second-hand go-kart somehow less fun or less of a sport?? I must admit I am at the opposite end of the spectrum. Such is the technology these days that you can bring much greater clarity to every sport. I haven't seen a single person desert tennis, rugby or cricket because of their use of technology. And anyone who says they have ruined the sport as a spectacle is kidding themselves. The Out/Not Out decisions have added a fantastic extra dimension to cricket and one of my best memories of rugby is standing in the South Stand and waiting for a try to be given or not in the 78th minute against the Aussies. The roar when that try was given was twice the roar when the ball was grounded or not... If technology can lead to a more accurate result more of the time, the only argument against can be one of tradition. I love tradition - truly - but traditionally people died from common colds, so you have to ask first what is the benefit of the tradition?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 Never heard of him, is he Native American? More importantly, does he play up front? very funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam the Man Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 As a former Hawk-Eye employee, and I'll say one thing... They are a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 If for example a murderer was let off because we refused to use DNA evidence technology in the British legal system, would that make the legal system "great"? Just because something is controversial it doesn't mean it is a good thing. Also to say "they balance out" is also a nonsense, there is no reason why it would. Hang on a sec mate. Telling people that I am pro-murder just because I don't necessarily support goal-line technology is bang out of order and probably an infractionable offence. I sincerely hope you take that post back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 Hang on a sec mate. Telling people that I am pro-murder just because I don't necessarily support goal-line technology is bang out of order and probably an infractionable offence. I sincerely hope you take that post back. As much as MLG is a pedantic tw*t, I'm pretty sure he wan't accusing you of that mate. Although it was a poor analogy to use, I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigShadow Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 I hope we never get technology in football. Part of what makes the game great is having controversial talking points. England may not have won the world cup in '66 if we had goal line technology. Who knows? We may have gone on to win it if we had it in South Africa last year (admittedly, highly unlikely). But its controversy like that which makes the game interesting, and in the long run those sort of close decisions generally balance themselves out anyway... Will you feel the same way if we get denied a goal on the last day of the season which costs us promotion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 It is already in football. Ref assistants have a button on their flags connected to a device that alerts the ref and they also all have microphones down to League Two level. Well that is nonsense. If for example a murderer was let off because we refused to use DNA evidence technology in the British legal system, would that make the legal system "great"? Just because something is controversial it doesn't mean it is a good thing. Also to say "they balance out" is also a nonsense, there is no reason why it would. You have surpassed yourself with this total non arguement, sorry MLG but thats one of the worst analogies I have ever heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 Too much money riding on results of sporting events now'r days to allow 'matter of fact' line decisions to be left to numpty officials. How many big goal line decisions do we see with Saints each season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 How many big goal line decisions do we see with Saints each season? If it's one wrong decision per season, and it can be easily eradicated with goal-line technology, then it's one too many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 Goal line technology is one thing we really do need. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 Why? To flip that; if it can be easily introduced and works almost instantaneously, why shouldn't we have it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 I actually know one of the Hawk-Eye staff involved in this trial, he is a fellow graduate from Bournemouth Uni. I'll ask him for some details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 If it's one wrong decision per season, and it can be easily eradicated with goal-line technology, then it's one too many. A topic we agree on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 To flip that; if it can be easily introduced and works almost instantaneously, why shouldn't we have it? Read carefully the wording of the statement I am quoting - 'really need' - can you tell me why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 If it's one wrong decision per season, and it can be easily eradicated with goal-line technology, then it's one too many. Again, can you actually answering my question? How many? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 (edited) Again, can you actually answering my question? How many? I thought I did answer it with my opinion. I don't know how many times it happens every season. However, if there is a wrong decision just once every season, and technology can easily stop that from ever happening again, then why not introduce it? I don't see that there has to be a threshold for the number of wrong decisions before technology gets implemented. If the technology is available, and if it can be easily installed, I fail to see a valid reason why it shouldn't be. Unless you can provide one? EDIT: I'll make myself clearer to the fact of "need", as I clearly haven't done that yet. Can the game survive without goal-line technology? Yes, of course. However, if the technology is there (and I firmly believe it is), then it will clearly improve the game. Therefore, if it can be implemented into the game seamlessly and will reduce the amount of mistakes made immediately, then yes, I do think it needs to be introduced. Edited 23 September, 2011 by The Kraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 I thought I did answer it with my opinion. I don't know how many times it happens every season. However, if there is a wrong decision just once every season, and technology can easily stop that from ever happening again, then why not introduce it? I don't see that there has to be a threshold for the number of wrong decisions before technology gets implemented. If the technology is available, and if it can be easily installed, I fail to see a valid reason why it shouldn't be. Unless you can provide one? So just to confirm, you can't remember one incident from a game at St Marys where this would have came in use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 So just to confirm, you can't remember one incident from a game at St Marys where this would have came in use? Why is St. Mary's the benchmark? And just because I can't remember one, it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Or that it won't happen in our next home game. The notable cases we've all seen on TV (Rob green at Old Trafford, Lampard at the World Cup etc) are examples where technology would have instantly highlighted an error, so it's not as if there is no problem to fix. Of course it happens in a very small amount of cases, i don't think anyone is denying that. I keep repeating myself; but if the technology can be implemented to stop that happening, even in a minimal amount of cases, then it should be done. I've tried to answer your questions, so how about mine. if the technology is ready and available, and easy to seamlessly implement, why not do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Why is St. Mary's the benchmark? And just because I can't remember one, it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Or that it won't happen in our next home game. The notable cases we've all seen on TV (Rob green at Old Trafford, Lampard at the World Cup etc) are examples where technology would have instantly highlighted an error, so it's not as if there is no problem to fix. Of course it happens in a very small amount of cases, i don't think anyone is denying that. I keep repeating myself; but if the technology can be implemented to stop that happening, even in a minimal amount of cases, then it should be done. I've tried to answer your questions, so how about mine. if the technology is ready and available, and easy to seamlessly implement, why not do it? I used St Mary as I thought it'd be a reasonable example for us all to use, as opposed to the one or two incidents that get blown out of all proportion in the Prem/on sky. So I'm glad we agree that you'd like to introduce technology at St Marys for something you've never seen there be a need for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 I think technology should be brought in for the goal line only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 I think technology should be brought in for the goal line only Agreed - if the technology is available then why not use it? Feck me the way some on here go on we'd still be playing in hob nail boots and a football with a lace in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 I used St Mary as I thought it'd be a reasonable example for us all to use, as opposed to the one or two incidents that get blown out of all proportion in the Prem/on sky. So I'm glad we agree that you'd like to introduce technology at St Marys for something you've never seen there be a need for? Being as I've probably been to around 25% games at St Mary's since it was built, that's quite a staggeringly simplistic suggestion you've just made, so well done on that. But well done for completely ignoring what I was actually saying, just to pursue your petty little point. By doing that you're effectively suggesting that because I haven't seen one yet, there will never be a contentious goal-line incident at St. Mary's, and therefore technology is pointless. I disagree, so now that we both know where we stand, I think we're done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrent Of Abuse Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Decisions can even out over time. For instance, you might be denied a penalty in a cup final but awarded one in the following (inconsequential) league game. That would easily make up for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Decisions can even out over time. For instance, you might be denied a penalty in a cup final but awarded one in the following (inconsequential) league game. That would easily make up for it. Again; if the technology is there and can be easily implemented without otherwise affecting the game, why not do it? I'm yet to hear a valid answer for choosing to ignore available technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Personally i get much more frustrated by poor offside and penalty decisions - those often have a major impact on the outcome of a game, and with refs being so inconsistent i don't buy the "it evens itself out" argument. What is the point of bringing in technology for something that might happen no more than once a season at each ground and ignore the wrong decisions that happen several times a game and result directly in goals being scored or ruled out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 Personally i get much more frustrated by poor offside and penalty decisions - those often have a major impact on the outcome of a game, and with refs being so inconsistent i don't buy the "it evens itself out" argument. What is the point of bringing in technology for something that might happen no more than once a season at each ground and ignore the wrong decisions that happen several times a game and result directly in goals being scored or ruled out? Yet again; what is the point in not bringing it in if the technology is there?? The penalties and offside issue is a completely different scenario; they would require a break in play to analyse the video replay and requrie a human decision to be made. Goal line technology would be made in real time and would not require an independent reviewer to make a decision on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 I've just spoken to the friend I mentioned who is working for Hawk-Eye and was down at St. Mary's back in August. They're trialling goal line technology for FIFA, tests begin in November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 That's all there is to it. Sorry, I thought he might have a bit more info for me! He's over in Tokyo at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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