Pat from Poole Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 Foley hired a double decker bus for the cup match in 84 and ended up going through town in skatesmouth, this needs sorting again! How tragic that I was too young to have been on this. Legendary stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 Burberry cap crew? was the last game you went to in 2001? No last week. It is the the away games that gather big crowds i.e London games, Leyton O, Charlton etc that seem to gather a bunch of knobends just out on the ****. The Burberry cap example was an exaggeration to get my point across. I can imagine skates away being attractive to the same type of people, not too fussed about the game but very keen to get in a bit of a ruck. See the other thread on this game http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?32608-Skates-v-Saints-on-BBC&highlight=tokyo with some suggesting that only lads in their 20's need go. Well there were a limited number of lads in their 20's going to the Stockport away game just after we got relegated, why should they get preference when a 'big' way game comes up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 No last week. It is the the away games that gather big crowds i.e London games, Leyton O, Charlton etc that seem to gather a bunch of knobends just out on the ****. The Burberry cap example was an exaggeration to get my point across. I can imagine skates away being attractive to the same type of people, not too fussed about the game but very keen to get in a bit of a ruck. See the other thread on this game http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?32608-Skates-v-Saints-on-BBC&highlight=tokyo with some suggesting that only lads in their 20's need go. Well there were a limited number of lads in their 20's going to the Stockport away game just after we got relegated, why should they get preference when a 'big' way game comes up? Because they go to the vast majority of other away games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 Because they go to the vast majority of other away games. Fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 I hope this is not true as I live in Chichester. Therefore I would have to drive past Portsmouth all the way to Southampton, just to be be bussed back to Portsmouth. Then the whole palava in reverse after the game. It would easily quadruple my travelling time to the game and my costs. Crazy idea. I live in Chichester to. According to the article, I will have to drive past Brighton, then past Portsmouth all the way to Southampton to get a coach back to Portsmouth. The thing I want to know is that will I have to go past Brighton on the way home, because that is going to be a major pain in the arse (excuse the pun) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 I go to every game and I will do all I can to scrape some dole money together to be able to buy a Burberry cap. I will stand facing the Pompey fans for 90 minutes showing no interest in the football, and I will also bring marbles and darts to throw at those c*nts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 No problem for me and my mates, paying a group of losers from our local a tenner each to go by bingo bus, collect tickets and hand em over by the ground to us after we've arrived under the radar (probably by boat, my stockbroker mate is up for chartering a motoryacht from ancaster in hamble) or stay there the night before. All it needs is a bit of ingenuity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 It seems a sensible plan. It is sad that it has come to this but the police were left with no other option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 No problem for me and my mates, paying a group of losers from our local a tenner each to go by bingo bus, collect tickets and hand em over by the ground to us after we've arrived under the radar (probably by boat, my stockbroker mate is up for chartering a motoryacht from ancaster in hamble) or stay there the night before. All it needs is a bit of ingenuity. So you assume after taking the extreme step of getting every Saints fan with a ticket on buses to travel together, once there they will just let you off the bus to wander round portsmouth? Or that they will let other people who weren't on the bus to come and mingle with them? Better off getting your stockbroker mate to get a plane and parachute you over the policelines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 It seems a sensible plan. It is sad that it has come to this but the police were left with no other option. Well......if the OB had kept the skates in at SMS last time, like EVERYONE else does at feisty local derbies, then there wouldn't have been the trouble that immediately followed and this next fixture could have been handled the same way as many previous. But the OB f*cked up and as you rightly say, left themselves with no other option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 there is nothing stopping you going on the bingo bus if you want to you mincer, that option will be available regardless, it is the objection of making everyone go that way that people don't like. And everyone else's objection will be having to pay for the additional security needed between the two methods. The reason this idea has legs is that it can save a very big chunk of capital, whether it will or not is another matter. If no one's prepared to fork out for the policing the solution is very simple, no away fans. well get the bingo bus then Isabel if you want to have a picnic, i'd rather dine in the restaurant car of the football special. The only thing you would be dining on is the local house brick. If you wanted to organise your own police approved security, I expect something like £1k/fan would be a minimum for a group of several hundred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 Lol thats the spirit Lordsy!,,,Oh! and Vaseline will be on sale on most HMP gates, There will be no real bovver at this game, Come and enjoy the friendly banter I'm only having a laugh my best mate is of the blue persuasion and although we share a bit of banter the rivalry doesn't really bother me.....I'm getting too middle aged to care about it anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 Make both games, HOME fans ONLY! Problems (from both sets of idiots) solved. Stand by for flack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_TOAST Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 Would be so **** if they do this...been looking forward to taking my flask and sarnies on the train and the pleasant walk to the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StDunko Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 If I have got this right, a Saints fan living in Portsmouth will have to... - Leave Portsmouth early on Saturday, drive to Southampton and park - Then get on a Saints fans coach to Portsmouth in order to get his ticket - Watch the game - Then leave Portsmouth on a coach back to Southampton - Drive back from Southampton to Portsmouth Yeah this is clearly crazy, as I said earlier in the thread, I would have to drive past Porstmouth on my way from Chichester and then back again. Rather than this being the shortest trip to see saints all season, it would be suddenly further to go that a game in London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 23 September, 2011 Share Posted 23 September, 2011 Hope this is not true, would be sh!t having to get the bingo bus. Half the fun is getting p!ssed up in town and catching the football special, which usually resembles one of the Aushwitz trains. Anyway, the trouble at this fixture traditionally involves the local skate street urchins smashing up their own neighborhood and fighting with Police - I don't see how forcing Saints fans onto coaches is going to stop that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_UK Posted 24 September, 2011 Share Posted 24 September, 2011 This was used for the Blackburn v Burnley game at Ewood park, and I remember reading the story of a Burnley fan who lived 100 yards from Ewood who had to drive to Turf Moor to get a coach back to Blackburn, then vice versa to get home. Rediculous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 friend of mine tells me that plans being finalised for the ticket + transport arrangement. don't shoot the messenger, he's not always right but has contacts with the ticket people and travel club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. Will be terrible if it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 why lgtl? maybe we have to shoulder some of the responsibilty for the decision if it transpires that it is true. many on here defended a large section of our fanbses right to express their didlike of pompey fans through aggression. personally, i value my own safety, be it from others or our own contingent's lack of self control and restraint, sad but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalf Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 I hope this is not true as I live in Chichester. Therefore I would have to drive past Portsmouth all the way to Southampton, just to be be bussed back to Portsmouth. Then the whole palava in reverse after the game. It would easily quadruple my travelling time to the game and my costs. Crazy idea. According to the article you'll have to go via Brighton. I live in Bognor so God knows what route I will have to take! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 If I have got this right, a Saints fan living in Portsmouth will have to... - Leave Portsmouth early on Saturday, drive to Southampton and park - Then get on a Saints fans coach to Portsmouth in order to get his ticket - Watch the game - Then leave Portsmouth on a coach back to Southampton - Drive back from Southampton to Portsmouth and pay for ****ing parking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 Make both games, HOME fans ONLY! Problems (from both sets of idiots) solved. Stand by for flack.are you mental? We are going to take these ****s to pieces at **** park and I for one won't be missing that wonderful experience even if I have to go by bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 I have to say I'm sceptical about the idea - has it really been used before or is that just rumour? It's so impractical and probably creates more problems than it solves. The media (people like me) will have a field day on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 I have to say I'm sceptical about the idea - has it really been used before or is that just rumour? It's so impractical and probably creates more problems than it solves. The media (people like me) will have a field day on this one. A Cardiff supporting friend of mine had to drive back to Cardiff from Coventry in order to go to an away day at Leicester under a similar scheme. After some pleading on the phone and consultation of their customer records they eventually relented and picked him up from Corley services on the M6. And he duly picked up his ticket on one of the coaches. It is a system used by a few others clubs, particularly the ones with higher reputations for misbehaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 I can't wait to see the logistics of it! Lets say we get 2000 tickets, that will be 40 coaches there or there abouts. Good luck getting them in, parked and out of that dump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_TOAST Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 why lgtl? maybe we have to shoulder some of the responsibilty for the decision if it transpires that it is true. many on here defended a large section of our fanbses right to express their didlike of pompey fans through aggression. personally, i value my own safety, be it from others or our own contingent's lack of self control and restraint, sad but true. Because it will be **** and ruin part of the fun of the day travelling there. Then there's the going 5-6 hours without being able to have alcohol (due to not being able to take on the coach and none being served at the ground) which will be crap. Then there's the tonnes of old farts and women who will go due to being able to have the safety of the coach who probably wouldn't have gone if it's by train where it would have been a better atmosphere being mainly just lads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 Maybe sturomseysaint will run one his lad's coaches. I'd be happy just to go, but appreciate it can spoil some peoples day not having s beer or two. Anyway, this could be a load of bull, let's wait and see ay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genk Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 I don't know what the area around Fratton is like but surely violence will still kick off after the game, as the 'thugs' may just decide to get the train back. Surely they can't be forced onto a coach home? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 A Cardiff supporting friend of mine had to drive back to Cardiff from Coventry in order to go to an away day at Leicester under a similar scheme. After some pleading on the phone and consultation of their customer records they eventually relented and picked him up from Corley services on the M6. And he duly picked up his ticket on one of the coaches. It is a system used by a few others clubs, particularly the ones with higher reputations for misbehaviour. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 Interesting. Millwall also did a similar thing for an away trip to Leeds a few years ago. Leicester Forest East services (and all within) didn't know what hit it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 12 October, 2011 Share Posted 12 October, 2011 I don't know what the area around Fratton is like but surely violence will still kick off after the game, as the 'thugs' may just decide to get the train back. Surely they can't be forced onto a coach home? Tight residential streets and very easy to Police because you just close the roads off around the ground. There's no way any Saints fans who have been to the match could make it out into the streets unless the battle through a line of coppers to do it. All that will probably happen is that some stuff will get thrown and some rude words shouted. After the 1-0 loss there in 04 a little kid threw a milkshake at us. Crazy scenes. The only way I can see any trouble outside the ground is if Saints fans without tickets to turn up around Fratton and start causing aggro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 13 October, 2011 Share Posted 13 October, 2011 It's a real scheme. I work with a Swansea fan in London, who had to drive to Swansea to go on the coach to Cardiff. This was the only way Swansea fans culd go to thegame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diggers Posted 13 October, 2011 Share Posted 13 October, 2011 My second team is Glasgow Rangers. Least year when Rangers played Manure in the CL I arranged a ticket before the revised travel was announced. A mate and I had to drive to our Manchester hotel, then get a taxi to Wigan where the three thousand Ger's fans had to get off their coaches and congregate with other fans who'd made their own way like us. Then the coaches left the JJB stadium in convoy straight to Old Trafford. The Rangers fans weren't given their ticket till the coach journey from the JJB to Manchester. As it happens we were late cos of traffic in the taxi and got to Wigan as the last coach left. Rangers had one coach left behind for late comers and staff which we hopped on. The aggro getting hold of our ticket off one of the travelling box office staff was a joke. Then to make matters worse we were escorted straight into OT to find they'd closed the bars in the ground. It was one of the best defensive displays I've seen by eleven men to win a 0-0 but then after the. Game it was back to Wigan then taxi back to Manchester. So, I have first hand expierience of this strategy and as much as I've been looking forward to seeing our revenge for the Amarillo game I will have to dig really deep to put myself through this kind of herding treatment again, believe me it will put a major damper on the day and give the home team an advantage. iMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie Posted 13 October, 2011 Share Posted 13 October, 2011 Simple really - just buy your ticket in the home end - there will be plenty of space as their crowds have dropped significantly - and they won't want to witness the humiliation about to be dealt out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFKA South Woodford Posted 13 October, 2011 Share Posted 13 October, 2011 B*llocks it will ruin the atmosphere, I intend to go by the coach if i'm lucky enough to get a ticket and i'll be screaming my head off all the way through, the joy of us and the despair of them seeing their shower of sh*te getting hammered will be more than worth any hassle of getting the coach and any Saints fans there that do not get behind the team just because they have to get a coach are pathetic! This is a vocal war, which we will win, we are the better fans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 13 October, 2011 Share Posted 13 October, 2011 It could be good. It will be much more expensive for those of us not living in Southampton (a bus from London would make sense) but on the other hand, it might put off all the burberry cap crew that hardly every go to away matches and are only going to cause trouble. This will free up a few extra tickets and maybe I will have a chance of going. If they get a ticket over you, it because they've been to more away games than you. If you're that bothered about going, maybe you'll attend a few more away games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 13 October, 2011 Share Posted 13 October, 2011 I don't give a flying *uck how I get there,I just gonna be there and beat the fishy ones!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 13 October, 2011 Share Posted 13 October, 2011 If they get a ticket over you, it because they've been to more away games than you. If you're that bothered about going, maybe you'll attend a few more away games? Take a moment and reread it. Maybe get someone to help if necessary. I do go to away games, I also go to home games about 25 games in total last season. However, I do not have a season ticket as I can not go to every home game. I probably go to more away games than home. It is therefore annoying (but I understand why) season ticket holders get first dibs on tickets for big away matches, even more annoying when they get a plus 1 ticket. What I was saying is that this might put off some knobheads going just to start trouble. For example, I have a mate who is a bit of a D!c but is a season ticket holder. He has promised another mate (who likes a fight now and again) he can have his plus 1 for the pompey game if that is the system. The other mate goes to about 3 games a season but he would have a ticket and I wouldn't. Now...If the bingo bus system was in place, it would make it less fun for all of us. However, it would mean that they both might think, lets give this one a miss and get smashed for the home fixture. This would mean that a non season ticket holder with a good record of buying tickets like me, would have a greater chance of getting a ticket for this match. Hopefully that makes it clear for A jumped up pantry boy, who never knew his place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 13 October, 2011 Share Posted 13 October, 2011 Can't see them doing a +1 for ST holders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 13 October, 2011 Share Posted 13 October, 2011 This really isn't a problem, I have 4 absolute degenerate drunks from my local (the sort there from 11am - 11pm, on the rock n role drinking mild that will go to the shop to collect fags for you in the p***ing rain if they can have one) doing the "coach run" for the cost of a midweek bar tab. Meanwhile I can do what I and 3 (at least, these wasters will know some fellow drop out losers from the job centre probably) other like minded gents can do what we want and get to P*mpey how we want without being followed by Hants OB, meet up by the ground (I'll come up with a simple scam, probably along the lines of accusing them of being peados and insisting I pick them out individually through the Police lines) get our tickets and stroll in smashed with pockets full to the brim with hip flasks, flares and ed smoke bombs. P*mpey away. No women. No kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 13 October, 2011 Share Posted 13 October, 2011 Take a moment and reread it. Maybe get someone to help if necessary. I do go to away games, I also go to home games about 25 games in total last season. However, I do not have a season ticket as I can not go to every home game. I probably go to more away games than home. It is therefore annoying (but I understand why) season ticket holders get first dibs on tickets for big away matches, even more annoying when they get a plus 1 ticket. What I was saying is that this might put off some knobheads going just to start trouble. For example, I have a mate who is a bit of a D!c but is a season ticket holder. He has promised another mate (who likes a fight now and again) he can have his plus 1 for the pompey game if that is the system. The other mate goes to about 3 games a season but he would have a ticket and I wouldn't. Now...If the bingo bus system was in place, it would make it less fun for all of us. However, it would mean that they both might think, lets give this one a miss and get smashed for the home fixture. This would mean that a non season ticket holder with a good record of buying tickets like me, would have a greater chance of getting a ticket for this match. Hopefully that makes it clear for A jumped up pantry boy, who never knew his place. There is no way they'll do a +1 for season ticket holders. It will be 1 per Season Ticket holder, then imagine 1 per customer number should it make general sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 13 October, 2011 Share Posted 13 October, 2011 This really isn't a problem, I have 4 absolute degenerate drunks from my local (the sort there from 11am - 11pm, on the rock n role drinking mild that will go to the shop to collect fags for you in the p***ing rain if they can have one) doing the "coach run" for the cost of a midweek bar tab. Meanwhile I can do what I and 3 (at least, these wasters will know some fellow drop out losers from the job centre probably) other like minded gents can do what we want and get to P*mpey how we want without being followed by Hants OB, meet up by the ground (I'll come up with a simple scam, probably along the lines of accusing them of being peados and insisting I pick them out individually through the Police lines) get our tickets and stroll in smashed with pockets full to the brim with hip flasks, flares and ed smoke bombs. P*mpey away. No women. No kids. Would be the sensible thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 13 October, 2011 Share Posted 13 October, 2011 There is no way they'll do a +1 for season ticket holders. It will be 1 per Season Ticket holder, then imagine 1 per customer number should it make general sale. I really hope not as this has really ******ed me off when they have done this before. I also, completely selfishly I would not mind if a few season ticket holders are put off by the non drinking rule. I would not drink for the whole of December if it meant getting a ticket for this game. On the other hand, if I can't get a ticket I will get completely smashed in a pub and watch it on TV. Hopefully Pompey see they can't sell more than 12k on a regular basis and give us a massive allocation. Not going to happen but a happy thought all the same. I fear they/the police will get together and give us a tiny allocation and blame it on the "trouble" at the last match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COMEONYOUREDS Posted 13 October, 2011 Share Posted 13 October, 2011 They did the same for blackburn/burnley in the PL a couple of years ago. A burnley supporter who lived over the road from ewood park had to get the bus from burnley, it was on the news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haddock22 Posted 13 October, 2011 Share Posted 13 October, 2011 Does anybody know if you had kids tickets bought for away games on your adult ST account if they would count towards the away games done for the ballot ? I will have done 3 away games before portsmuff (which bought young adult tick, adult tick, and either young adult or adult for bristol) and was thinking of getting a kids tickets for a couple of other away games which I can't make to boost my total tickets bought up, but wondering if kids would count...I guess they would ? Just trying to work how many away game you'll need to have done for a tick...I'm thinking minimum 4 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 13 October, 2011 Share Posted 13 October, 2011 Does anybody know if you had kids tickets bought for away games on your adult ST account if they would count towards the away games done for the ballot ? I will have done 3 away games before portsmuff (which bought young adult tick, adult tick, and either young adult or adult for bristol) and was thinking of getting a kids tickets for a couple of other away games which I can't make to boost my total tickets bought up, but wondering if kids would count...I guess they would ? Just trying to work how many away game you'll need to have done for a tick...I'm thinking minimum 4 ? To be honest i think 2 or 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 13 October, 2011 Share Posted 13 October, 2011 (edited) I struggle to see how it will deter serious violence in P'mouth - The very long 50-coach convoy will be very hard to police along it's entire length and a sitting target for Pompey's lowlife and thugs as it crawls through slum suburbs and into the town - it could all end up looking like the road to Basra! Coaches bricked and Saints pouring out of the coaches to retaliate. Utter mayhem. Edited 13 October, 2011 by adrian lord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint.tom.clancy Posted 13 October, 2011 Share Posted 13 October, 2011 I struggle to see how it will deter serious violence in P'mouth - The very long 50-coach convoy will be very hard to police along it's entire length and a sitting target for Pompey's lowlife and thugs as it crawls through slum suburbs and into the town - it could all end up looking like the road to Basra! Coaches bricked and Saints pouring out of the coaches to retaliate. Utter mayhem. Thats pretty much how i see, no wat can they get than many police to cover the whole journey to the stadium, what a massive waste of money it would be if they did. I'm sure it would be cheaper to get a load of coppers to accompany the train down then walk everyone in as is usually the case. Can't see this working tbh, and would be sh!te if it was the plan. Fair enough some people would rather stay within the safety of the bus, but i'd imagine the majority would want to be on the train soaking up the atmosphere and being able to drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 13 October, 2011 Share Posted 13 October, 2011 Not good from a personal point of view as I live in Gosport, that would be a real nuisance!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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