Giordano Posted 19 September, 2011 Share Posted 19 September, 2011 I'm thinking Connolly is better for us because his assists and link up play plus goals are an excellent combination in our set-up, but if they were both same age, I would have to say Phillips overall because he was and is the greater predatory goalscorer- and of course top premiership goalscorer 1999-2000... That was a great goal Phillips he scored on Saturday, seems he cant stop scoring wherever he is except for last year in the EPL and he's at it again with 5 in 7 for Blackpool. In a similar vein, is Phillips really still that good, or is it actually quite easy if you've got a bit of class (like both Connolly and Philips do have) to put the ball in the back of the net in the CCC? For instance I'm 100% certain that if David Connolly plays 30 games for Saints this year he will score at least 15 goals - but I don't think he would score 15 goals in 30 EPL games though. Players like Raul, Klose and Del Piero show that classy forwards can still score at the highest levels. If Owen ever played more than 20 minutes every month i'm sure he'd score lots as well. Maybe 35 and playing upfront in the EPL is not a level too far for our David... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 19 September, 2011 Share Posted 19 September, 2011 I am very happy to have Connolly in our team as opposed to KP because of his link-up play. Mind you, I do hope that KP gets a hat-trick next week and that Ormerod also gets one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 19 September, 2011 Share Posted 19 September, 2011 Kevin Phillips is a ****, and the way he left us will never make me like the guy. That said I was surprised how good his hold up play was, when in a Saints shirt and there's no denying he's a fine player and a really good goalscorer. The difference between him and DC is basically down to injuries. At the moment they're pretty much on a par, but I can't see DC still knocking them in at Phippips rate in 4 years time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 19 September, 2011 Share Posted 19 September, 2011 I think we need to give KP a bit of kudos for playing as a Championship striker at 38 and being that high in the pecking order for selection. Relatively few outfield players last as long at such a level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benali Saint Posted 19 September, 2011 Share Posted 19 September, 2011 I'd take Connolly over Phillips anyday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 19 September, 2011 Share Posted 19 September, 2011 Form is temporary, class is permanent. It's a shame we never saw the best of Phillips. At the time, with an FA Cup final appearance under our belts, and with a spot in the UEFA cup to boot, I thought we were ready to push on, and Phillips's signing would have been a sign of that push. Sadly one thing led to another, and the FA Cup, and the signing of Phillips, proved to be a false dawn. As for the Connolly/Phillips debate, I have to say I never expected to see Connolly playing regular football again, but wow if he hasn't seemingly put his injury troubles behind him. As an all rounder, Connolly is the better player, but Phillips is a goal scoring machine. As an aside, I'm playing CM2003 atm, and Connolly (then at West Ham) is miles better than Phillips (who was with Saints). I sell Phillips as soon as I can (and Delgado and McCann, and I do my utmost to sign Connolly! (nigh on impossible) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 19 September, 2011 Share Posted 19 September, 2011 I admit I had written Connolly off about this time last season, he'd spent so much time out injured that I didn't think he would come back. I have to say though, i'm f*cking glad he's in the side now. His movement is fantastic and although he's not got electric pace, he can still finish from anywhere. He's the kind of striker that likes to play on the shoulder of the last defender, but he - unlike others who play in that role - isn't scared to get involved with the build-up to a move. We're lucky to have 2 strikers who can pass just as well as almost anyone in our midfield (aside from maybe Schneiderlin) because it means that we can move the ball so quickly when we're on the attack. Oh, and his disallowed goal yesterday (which would have made it 5-1) was onside by at least a few yards, he was being played onside by Stephen Carr. Not sure if the flag went up for our other player (who was offside but not in the phase of play, not too sure of the ruling) but if it went up for Connolly it was definitely wrongly ruled offside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 19 September, 2011 Share Posted 19 September, 2011 Phillips was a great striker 10ish years ago, probably one of the better premiership ones at that time. He definitely needed to drop down a level now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 19 September, 2011 Share Posted 19 September, 2011 To answer your question... Yes by a country mile, Connolly is class, Phillis is an ass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 19 September, 2011 Share Posted 19 September, 2011 I got the impression (rightly or wrongly) that Phillips was a bit reluctant to come to Saints (?) and never really settled in, whereas David Connolly feels he owes us, as Saints perservered a long time, even when he wasn't properly fit and now we are getting a pay back in seeing one of the classiest players we've had in the last 10 years in full flow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 19 September, 2011 Share Posted 19 September, 2011 Not really a comparison to make. Phillips has consistently proven himself to be a top striker at this level over the past 3 or 4 seasons and is still scoring regularly now. Connolly although a good player and glad he is fit at the moment hasn't really played regularly for 3 seasons. In their prime Phillips played for England, scored 30 plus goals in one season playing for midtable team and scored goals regularly, he was/is a class act. At one point he was linked with moves to Arsenal. Connollys record and ability doesn't really come close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 19 September, 2011 Share Posted 19 September, 2011 Not really a comparison to make. Phillips has consistently proven himself to be a top striker at this level over the past 3 or 4 seasons and is still scoring regularly now. Connolly although a good player and glad he is fit at the moment hasn't really played regularly for 3 seasons. In their prime Phillips played for England, scored 30 plus goals in one season playing for midtable team and scored goals regularly, he was/is a class act. At one point he was linked with moves to Arsenal. Connollys record and ability doesn't really come close. Connolly was also an international, for Eire. Its hard to judge because of Connolly's bad luck with injuries, who is to say that a fully fit Connolly wouldnt have banged in 30 goals in a season ? Whilst because of all the long lay offs his record may not come close I cant agree that he is behind Phillips on ability. Connolly is the cleverest forward I have seen in a Saints shirt for many a year. I would take Connolly any day for his all round play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fen Posted 19 September, 2011 Share Posted 19 September, 2011 Connolly is quality but so is Phillips, its a tough one. Not sure who I'd have but I think Connolly is perfect for our team. Connolly for me has been fantastic since he joined, his goal on his debut at Oldham was Brilliant. His link up play is superb. Just a shame he has suffered with injuries. Phillips has consistently been a goal threat and is still a class act, I can see both having a good couple of more seasons if they remain fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 19 September, 2011 Share Posted 19 September, 2011 Connolly is the better football player, Phillips is the better goal scorer. Connolly is the better human, Phillips is a ****. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 19 September, 2011 Share Posted 19 September, 2011 Strangely the brum commentators yesterday described Connolly as being the sort of man who would start trouble in an empty house. Where would they get this from?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benali Saint Posted 19 September, 2011 Share Posted 19 September, 2011 Connolly is the better football player, Phillips is the better goal scorer.Connolly is the better human, Phillips is a ****.That's all.This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 September, 2011 Share Posted 20 September, 2011 Not really a comparison to make. Phillips has consistently proven himself to be a top striker at this level over the past 3 or 4 seasons and is still scoring regularly now. Connolly although a good player and glad he is fit at the moment hasn't really played regularly for 3 seasons. In their prime Phillips played for England, scored 30 plus goals in one season playing for midtable team and scored goals regularly, he was/is a class act. At one point he was linked with moves to Arsenal. Connollys record and ability doesn't really come close. This, much as I love the job Connelly is doing for us. All those that are adamant that Connelly is better are being a bit disingenuous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 20 September, 2011 Share Posted 20 September, 2011 Phillips is a class act as far as football is concerned. Funny we had him playing right back down here all those years ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Saint Posted 20 September, 2011 Share Posted 20 September, 2011 Both class players but I wouldnt swap DC is in the form of his life looks really fit his movement & link up play are 1st class good finisher he is such a clever player withthe runs he makes & the way he reads the game. DC is the perfect foil for lambo when Lambo wins the header DC is there to collect the ball it is like having a new player everybody had written him off & he is back playing very very well so DC for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 20 September, 2011 Share Posted 20 September, 2011 Connolly is class, philips had a bit of an attitude problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu0x Posted 20 September, 2011 Share Posted 20 September, 2011 As an aside, I'm playing CM2003 atm, and Connolly (then at West Ham) is miles better than Phillips (who was with Saints). I sell Phillips as soon as I can (and Delgado and McCann, and I do my utmost to sign Connolly! (nigh on impossible) Don't bother, sign Oskarsson, Toledo, Roncatto, Braathan, Guarin and FWT. Combined will cost you less than Connolly and you'll win the Champions League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 20 September, 2011 Share Posted 20 September, 2011 Both are still terrific footballers with excellent football brains. We will have to keep a very sharp watch on KP,when we play Blackpool. As an asside we definately did not see the very best of KP when he was here.However why Redknapp played Ormerod ahead of him in our final premiership game against MU,only he knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comas Posted 20 September, 2011 Share Posted 20 September, 2011 For me Connolly has been one of the main reasons why defences have been unable to cope with us. His movement off the ball is so quick and intelligent and he is always in position to accept a pass. So I think he is a much better asset to the team than Phillips was when he was with us. By the way do any other old timers think he bears a resemblance to George O'Brien, in appearance and the way he plays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armitage Shanks Posted 20 September, 2011 Share Posted 20 September, 2011 Nothing to do with Phillips but an observation about DC. He was a class above evryone on Sunday. His one touches, his link up play, his movement was pure class. I spent fine minutes in the second half just watching him and no-one else. He has a premier league quality football brain. We need to keep him fit. I think he is crucial along with Fonte, Cork, Lallana and Lambert as to whether we go up this season. Even my wife who knows very little about football and came along for her first Saints game, asked who the little guy was as he seemed to be involved in everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 20 September, 2011 Share Posted 20 September, 2011 For all his cleverness, link up play and fox in the box finishing, his gesture of support to the argyle fans last season still stands out. While our players were celebrating with our lot and the plymouth players had slunk off the pitch, he was the only one to go around their ends, clap and show some sympathy for what is a horrible, abject situation. No theatrics; just a genuine touch of class. A serious man but in the best sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 20 September, 2011 Share Posted 20 September, 2011 Strangely the brum commentators yesterday described Connolly as being the sort of man who would start trouble in an empty house. Where would they get this from?? Yeah, I heard that too - made me wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 20 September, 2011 Share Posted 20 September, 2011 For me Connolly has been one of the main reasons why defences have been unable to cope with us. His movement off the ball is so quick and intelligent and he is always in position to accept a pass. So I think he is a much better asset to the team than Phillips was when he was with us. By the way do any other old timers think he bears a resemblance to George O'Brien, in appearance and the way he plays? It's a long time ago, but I was just thinking the same thing myself recently...! George O'Brien was one of those easy-going types who always seemed " a bit lazy " (ala MLT) but always seemed capable of putting in shots from almost anywhere...long range, tap-in's with either foot and a pretty good record of penalties as well. He was certainly about the same height! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubsaint Posted 20 September, 2011 Share Posted 20 September, 2011 Like them both. But Connelly having a great run and long may it last Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 20 September, 2011 Share Posted 20 September, 2011 He was an international for the Republic of Ireland not Eire! Eire is the Irish for the whole Island and as stupid as it is the stupid place has two teams, neither called Eire. On the Connolly front I'm amazed he's pulled it all together, I had him written off as someone who got a contract on past achievements, but he's impressed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogo_saint Posted 21 September, 2011 Share Posted 21 September, 2011 I have a tenner on Connolly being top scorer from the start of the season at 175-1 so I'm hoping he sticks some more on and stays injury free. His disallowed goal was a slap in the face on saturday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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