Lowe's Biggest Mistake

[Fan The Flames]

I'm fully entitled to post what I like where I like thanks - and I'm pretty sure I don't need to ask you for your permission just as I'm sure I don't need to find a thread for like-minded people. But thanks for suggesting it.

 

Don't kid yourself that there are ideas floating around here. There's only 101 threads about who is to blame. What is the point in discussing the past? What does it achieve? How do things change? If Rupert Lowe needs to go then the time and energy would be best spent protesting outside the ground for him to go. Instead we have same old threads popping up with variations on the subject of "I told you this was going to happen". It does nothing.

 

I am certainly no fan of people like Richard Chorley but the one thing he had in his favour was that he got off his butt and did something. In his absence, we're left with people who are content to wail and gnash their teeth on here but who will do nothing. They'll rail against the "Lowe Luvvies" but won't actually vent their anger anywhere other than on the forum. It's no wonder that the old UI/SISA meetings only used to pull in 15 fans and a stray dog: Everyone's too busy posting about their feelings of angst.

 

Instead of discussing how we got here, why are there no real discussions of how to get out of here? The answer could be because anything constructive requires actual effort whilst finger-pointing is easy and requires zero effort.

 

Calm down, its a message board, people vent their anger and theres a lot of anger to vent. Its because there are so many people still perpetrating half truths and myths on this board that people feel obliged to point out the real facts. Like it or not Lowe doesn't come out of it very well. Now if we could all accept that mistakes have be made by Lowe then maybe the constant finger pointing would stop. Just look around the message board there are loads of intelligent conversations going on.

"I'm fully entitled to post what I like where I like thanks - and I'm pretty sure I don't need to ask you for your permission"

Maybe you should print out the above and stick on your monitor before you go of on one about people posting things you don't like.

[solentstars]

I'm fully entitled to post what I like where I like thanks - and I'm pretty sure I don't need to ask you for your permission just as I'm sure I don't need to find a thread for like-minded people. But thanks for suggesting it.

 

Don't kid yourself that there are ideas floating around here. There's only 101 threads about who is to blame. What is the point in discussing the past? What does it achieve? How do things change? If Rupert Lowe needs to go then the time and energy would be best spent protesting outside the ground for him to go. Instead we have same old threads popping up with variations on the subject of "I told you this was going to happen". It does nothing.

 

I am certainly no fan of people like Richard Chorley but the one thing he had in his favour was that he got off his butt and did something. In his absence, we're left with people who are content to wail and gnash their teeth on here but who will do nothing. They'll rail against the "Lowe Luvvies" but won't actually vent their anger anywhere other than on the forum. It's no wonder that the old UI/SISA meetings only used to pull in 15 fans and a stray dog: Everyone's too busy posting about their feelings of angst.

 

Instead of discussing how we got here, why are there no real discussions of how to get out of here? The answer could be because anything constructive requires actual effort whilst finger-pointing is easy and requires zero effort.

i think you are right,if you read the threads its the same stuff posted has last year,it is about time people moved on and ask where do we go from here.

we all know what happened when we got relegated but the banks are calling the tune and unless we get a investor ,we are stuck with what we have..

[Wes Tender]

we all know what happened when we got relegated but the banks are calling the tune and unless we get a investor ,we are stuck with what we have..

 

How many times?! We are not stuck with what we have got. We can get rid of them. Boycott, boycott, boycott and they will be gone in a couple of weeks.

[70's Mike]

How many times?! We are not stuck with what we have got. We can get rid of them. Boycott, boycott, boycott and they will be gone in a couple of weeks.

 

Whilst i normally agree with you , i am not convinced over this one.

Lowe and his little gang are like those lizards you see on danger programmes, the waves hammer against the rocks but when the water clears they are still clinging on.

My fear is that if Administration follows relegation that they would buy the business from the Administrator , who is almost certainly going to be an associate of Guy.

[Lunatic Fridge]

Whilst i normally agree with you , i am not convinced over this one.

Lowe and his little gang are like those lizards you see on danger programmes, the waves hammer against the rocks but when the water clears they are still clinging on.

My fear is that if Administration follows relegation that they would buy the business from the Administrator , who is almost certainly going to be an associate of Guy.

 

Well I AM. It is the one thing Lowe Disunited cannot live with. And I doubt very much if he would wish to be seen to screw up a third time. Also I doubt whether he would be permitted to given his recent track record. Why dont you try it - you know it makes sense!

[hughieslastminutegoal]

Listening to ANYTHING Sir Clive Woodward had to say.

 

It's been an inexorable decline ever since.

[Window Cleaner]

How many times?! We are not stuck with what we have got. We can get rid of them. Boycott, boycott, boycott and they will be gone in a couple of weeks.

 

Boycott, boycott and the club will be gone.

It's not the same as the Branfoot era, the club will go to the wall before

Lowe and Wilde.

If no paying(non ST holders) supporters turn up tomorrow night or against Bristol city or Wolves, the salaries will probably not be paid at the end of November.Office staff, players, groundsmen, everybody.

Lowe and Wilde have already lost everything they've invested, Crouch too,

Singh,Unicol,Cheviot,Richards,Withers,Askham.

Their shares are worth nothing because no-one wants to buy them and take on our 30 million debt,not now.

There are no doubt people who would buy Lowe out for 500K or

Wilde for 1.2 million but that's just the tip of the iceberg.

If you incite boycotting you will be responsible for the death of the club within a matter of weeks.

[Capel Saint]

I actually think having the club run by a plc was probably the biggest mistake made. It meant that the club couldn't get in any investment unless it produced share issues and deters any takeovers as investors would have to spend a fortune to acquire the number of shares needed to get control of the club.

 

It is slowly strangling the club into administration, in my humble opinion.

[Scummer]

If you incite boycotting you will be responsible for the death of the club within a matter of weeks.

 

Well I guess we are about to see. For most people it's not a boycott as such, just despair at what has become of the club. There can be no doubt though, attendances will continue to fall. And all the time that they do, the club will continue to do nothing about it.

[once_bitterne]

Lowe's biggest mistake was, and always will be, letting the mindless vocal minority who got on their collective high horses about Hoddle coming back after WGS left and put enough doubt in his mind that he ended up appointing the shambing Sturrock.

 

Listing WGS and Bridge and a 'Lowe Mistake' is insane. WGS left as he correctly saw he had taken the club as far as he could and wanted a new challege managing a club which was competing for league titles and playing in the CL. Unless Lowe could magic £100m+ from a hat (and bare in mind that Spurs have spent much more than this and still not cracked the top 4) this was never going to be something SFC would do.

 

Ditto for Bridge, he was a player who saw the chance to play for the Big 4 and so went. Whenever one the Big 4 in this country come in for a player they end up going there, the player's club, manager, chairman all have no say in this at all, sadly. Blaming Lowe for Bridge leaving is totally inane.

[Window Cleaner]

Well I guess we are about to see. For most people it's not a boycott as such, just despair at what has become of the club. There can be no doubt though, attendances will continue to fall. And all the time that they do, the club will continue to do nothing about it.

 

Doubt it.

Tomorrow night I suppose 14500 will turn up (including ST holders,whether they turn up or not).

The ticket receipt will be about 100K, Bristol will see about 17K, gate receipt

150K, Wolves about the same.

 

With that at least the salaries will be paid at the end of November.

If the boycotting billies have their way,they won't.

 

The club CAN do nothing about it. We don't have the money.

Edited 27 October, 2008 by Window Cleaner

[John B]

Although I thought Burley was a good choice it is tenure as manager which has caused the current situation you can blame Lowe for that.

 

However under Lowe I dont think Burley would not have caused so much havoc.

[Window Cleaner]

Lowe's biggest mistake was, and always will be, letting the mindless vocal minority who got on their collective high horses about Hoddle coming back after WGS left and put enough doubt in his mind that he ended up appointing the shambing Sturrock.

 

Listing WGS and Bridge and a 'Lowe Mistake' is insane. WGS left as he correctly saw he had taken the club as far as he could and wanted a new challege managing a club which was competing for league titles and playing in the CL. Unless Lowe could magic £100m+ from a hat (and bare in mind that Spurs have spent much more than this and still not cracked the top 4) this was never going to be something SFC would do.

 

Ditto for Bridge, he was a player who saw the chance to play for the Big 4 and so went. Whenever one the Big 4 in this country come in for a player they end up going there, the player's club, manager, chairman all have no say in this at all, sadly. Blaming Lowe for Bridge leaving is totally inane.

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Believe you me Bitterne, the whingeing willies and moaning minnies don't let

facts like that get in their way .

they are on a campaign and an agenda.

If John Mcain hired them now, why he'd be 10% ahead in the opinion polls come next Saturday.

I don't like what's happening and would like to see better things,but they are on the other side of these costs cuts and nothing will change that. Other than an investor with serious swans.

[alpine_saint]

Lowe's biggest mistake was, and always will be, letting the mindless vocal minority who got on their collective high horses about Hoddle coming back after WGS left and put enough doubt in his mind that he ended up appointing the shambing Sturrock.

 

Listing WGS and Bridge and a 'Lowe Mistake' is insane. WGS left as he correctly saw he had taken the club as far as he could and wanted a new challege managing a club which was competing for league titles and playing in the CL. Unless Lowe could magic £100m+ from a hat (and bare in mind that Spurs have spent much more than this and still not cracked the top 4) this was never going to be something SFC would do.

 

Ditto for Bridge, he was a player who saw the chance to play for the Big 4 and so went. Whenever one the Big 4 in this country come in for a player they end up going there, the player's club, manager, chairman all have no say in this at all, sadly. Blaming Lowe for Bridge leaving is totally inane.

 

Strange, I thought he left because he promised his missus and for a hip operation :rolleyes:

 

Even if it were true :

 

Whose fault is it if he had taken the club "as far as it could go" ? His or Lowe's ?

[alpine_saint]

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Believe you me Bitterne, the whingeing willies and moaning minnies don't let

facts like that get in their way .

they are on a campaign and an agenda.

If John Mcain hired them now, why he'd be 10% ahead in the opinion polls come next Saturday.

I don't like what's happening and would like to see better things,but they are on the other side of these costs cuts and nothing will change that. Other than an investor with serious swans.

 

facts my arse.

 

And yes, we are on an agenda. We want Lowe out of SFC once and for all.

[Window Cleaner]

facts my arse.

 

And yes, we are on an agenda. We want Lowe out of SFC once and for all.

 

You know what you have to do then.

Find the 3 or 4 million needed to buy them all out.

They're waiting for your call ;believe you me.

If someone, who can prove themselves of sufficient substance to assume the overdraft and the stadium loan, offers them 30p a share for their 8.4 million shares they'll bite your hand off.

If not well you'll just have to lump it for a bit longer.

 

Trouble is there aren't many people who are solvent enough to satisfy the NU and Barclays queueing up right now.

[once_bitterne]

Strange, I thought he left because he promised his missus and for a hip operation :rolleyes:

 

Even if it were true :

 

Whose fault is it if he had taken the club "as far as it could go" ? His or Lowe's ?

 

It was no one 'fault' Alps, that's the point. In this country it is now virtually impossible for a club other than Chelsea, Arsenal, Man Yoo and Liverpool to crack th top 4. So ALL other clubs Prem clubs are mid-table ones or relegation fodder.

 

As a Saints fan I had no problem with this at all. Being a mid-table Prem club, with the ocasional good cup run and sometimes beating one of the Big 4 at home was fine by me. I honestly wanted no more from club and tbh I don't think I would like it if we were taken over by a billionaire and became the next Chelsea. (and time will tell if Man City can reach the CL even WITH all their money....)

 

However from a manager's point of view he WOULD want more than this. The best WGS could do with SFC is the same as he already had done, top 10 and good cup run. Ground Hog Season over and over again. So he left, just as Alardyce left Bolton and Jewell left Wigan. And fair play to him, he has pitted his wits against the managers of Barca, Milan, etc and won league and cup trophies in the country of his birth.

 

From a personal point of view, it was terrible for SFC that he left and was the start of the decline that sees us where we laungish today but can I blame WGS for leaving and wanting to persue a new challenge? Of course not? And blaming Lowe for WGS's departure makes no sense at all. (unless you are on a mission to blame a certain person for everything up to and including the credit crunch and England losing the Ashes....

[Wes Tender]

Boycott, boycott and the club will be gone.

 

If it did not bring about the capitulation of the current board, you're right. Elsewhere though, I called this the Nuclear option and that still holds good. The impact of such action would either be what many want, the removal of Lowe and the Quisling from the board, or if they held on, the demise of the club into administration. As the main reason that Lowe and Wilde came back was to try and protect their shares, then they would realise pretty damned quick that if they did not resign, further boycotts would make the salvation of the club more difficult and their shares being worthless anyway, whereas if they stepped aside and others took over who did not alienate the fans, there would be more chance of us surviving on a shoestring budget.

 

It's not the same as the Branfoot era, the club will go to the wall before

Lowe and Wilde.

 

If no paying(non ST holders) supporters turn up tomorrow night or against Bristol city or Wolves, the salaries will probably not be paid at the end of November.Office staff, players, groundsmen, everybody.

Lowe and Wilde have already lost everything they've invested, Crouch too,

Singh,Unicol,Cheviot,Richards,Withers,Askham.

 

No they haven't. Their shares have lost value in the same way that my house has recently. But they still hold those shares as I still own my house. If the club is taken over, or if things improve by some fluke, their shares will increase in value. It would only be in the event of administration that those shares would be worthless. All the more reason for those shareholders to put pressure on Lowe and the Quisling to stand aside. Of your list, I have not the slightest sympathy for Richards and Askham who gained their shares before the reverse takeover for a pittance. Is Singh still a shareholder?

 

Their shares are worth nothing because no-one wants to buy them and take on our 30 million debt,not now.

There are no doubt people who would buy Lowe out for 500K or

Wilde for 1.2 million but that's just the tip of the iceberg.

If you incite boycotting you will be responsible for the death of the club within a matter of weeks.

 

So, it's a choice between a gamble that the nuclear option will rid the club of these charlatans for good within a couple of weeks, or else a slow lingering death because poor results at high prices are pushing us slowly towards administration anyway.

 

Administration is not a certainty following a boycott, provided that Lowe and Wilde capitulated promptly. There is even a possibility that they might do that before a boycott if they knew that the strength of feeling was so deeply against them, that they took our intent seriously and other shareholders or the bank put enough pressure on them. But if they obstinately refused to budge and we went down the pan, who would be most to blame? The fans or them?

 

Things are unlikely to improve along the way as long as the present shower are in charge which makes the choice a lot easier.

[Fan The Flames]

Would GS have left if he was allowed to buy the three players he wanted.

[alpine_saint]

Would GS have left if he was allowed to buy the three players he wanted.

 

Not a chance.

[Fan The Flames]

Not a chance.

 

I thought so.

[Window Cleaner]

So, it's a choice between a gamble that the nuclear option will rid the club of these charlatans for good within a couple of weeks, or else a slow lingering death because poor results at high prices are pushing us slowly towards administration anyway.

 

Administration is not a certainty following a boycott, provided that Lowe and Wilde capitulated promptly. There is even a possibility that they might do that before a boycott if they knew that the strength of feeling was so deeply against them, that they took our intent seriously and other shareholders or the bank put enough pressure on them. But if they obstinately refused to budge and we went down the pan, who would be most to blame? The fans or them?

 

Things are unlikely to improve along the way as long as the present shower are in charge which makes the choice a lot easier.

 

Have it your own way then Wes, the blue print does my eyesight in so I'll leave the club's future to your good self.

Singh is still a share holder yes, or he was up to a month or so ago.

So are Unicol Engineering,Cheviot Investments etc etc etc.

They're all losing money, lots of it, so I suggest you give them all a bell about your boycott system.

I don't think I'll express myself on this subject again. One day all you Crouch ,Corbett and Fulthorpe plants are really going to **** me off and I'll get banned.

Edited 27 October, 2008 by Window Cleaner

[Wes Tender]

One day all you Crouch ,Corbett and Fulthorpe plants...

 

Believe what you want, but it's totally incorrect. I've often called for all of them to go, except Fulthorpe of course. I have nothing against him as he is an unknown quantity, but would probably be associated with badly needed investment. Are you against him even before he stepped foot in the door? Tut Tut.

[Window Cleaner]

Believe what you want, but it's totally incorrect. I've often called for all of them to go, except Fulthorpe of course. I have nothing against him as he is an unknown quantity, but would probably be associated with badly needed investment. Are you against him even before he stepped foot in the door? Tut Tut.

 

Not if he's some moolah I'm not. want our situation to be sorted out as much as anyone but there are plants who make the forum a pain in the butt, which is a pity;

There are some simple minds on here that are easily railroaded into words and actions which we,as a club might, regret.

If Mr Fulthorpe has some serious wherewithal, let him step forward ,but if not let him call off his agents until he has.

The sooner the better as far as I'm concerned.

Someone is trying to drive the club into administration, I don't think it's Lowe and Wilde.They are fighting a desperate and catastrophic rearguard action to stave it off and as usual the fans are suffering.

[Dalek2003]

Im not sure what Wayne Bridge really has to do with it, but i guess you must have your reasons for including it, probably similar reasons why you have left out other options that have had an impact on our club...

 

So if i have to opt for any of your choices then id go with (A).

 

However saying all of that, for me the biggest mistake was allowing the other board members to out vote him and not allow him to give the managers job to Hoddle.

I like many others hated Hoddle for walking out on us for Spurs but, I was willing to accept him back.

 

One thing im god darn sure of is that Hoddle would have made a better job of things than the fishy C **t from down the M27.

Had that happened we would not have had to go through, Lowe being Ousted by the fans and those same fans falling for the anyone but Lowe crap and ending up with Wilde and his BullS**t and everything we have had to suffer ever since....

 

My conclusion is that a hell of a lot of people have played a part in our demise & sadly I include fans as well as Board members in that.

However as they say its the responsibility of the Chairman so Yes Lowe takes the blame, but things could have been different with hindsight.

 

Hoddle was rejected by fans because of a personal vendetta rather than footballing reasons. A minority put principle before club. This was very laudible but they were warned of the consequences. The vast majority of fans would have had Hoddle back for the good of the club, even if it had meant holding their noses.

Surprisingly, when you consider their lack of intellect, the blue noses knew what was best for their club and let 'Arry back even when he had left for their deadliest rivals !!!

Hoddle left for Spuds, and Harry left for Spuds. There is no loyalty in football and fans shouldn't take it personally. MLT was a very rare exception.

[Snowballs2]

But since Hoddle left us he has not exactly been a success at any of his subsequent jobs

[slickmick]

But since Hoddle left us he has not exactly been a success at any of his subsequent jobs

 

You can say that about a lot of managers. Lawrie wasn't a success either after he left us.

Those that were successful at other clubs and came here failed also. Redknapp, Burley to name a couple.

[Dark Munster]

I would go with getting rid of Sturrock followed by employing Wigley.

 

Spot on. Followed closely by getting rid of Nige and replacing him with Jan. Notice the similarities? In both cases man he got rid of was a competent manager (for Saints) but wasn't "Lowe's man", and so was replaced by Lowe's man (an amateur). Relegation will possibly be the final outcome in both cases.

[Snowballs2]

The worst thing Lowe ever did ?...was to come back and convince some people that he really was the angle Gabriel and had all of the ability to turn things around.

The most dreadful thing was to wait till the season tickets had been sold before getting rid of the senior players. People bought tickets thinking that we had a chance of surviving. It was the single most dishonest thing that he has done...and from a public schoolboy...honour integrity and truth are the alledged watchwords of the upper class

[sadoldgit]

Wayne Bridge, of course..

 

So Wayne Bridge would have stayed here rather than to have gone to Chelsea then?

 

Yes Alpine, of course he would. Just and Walcott and Bale were desparate to stay.

 

So then, say we had matched Chelsea's wage offer to keep him , how do you think that would have sat with every other player in the squad?

 

Strachan had money to spend on players but let's face it, he brought some dross.

 

Where is McCann for example, at Real Madrid by any chance?

[sadoldgit]

Would GS have left if he was allowed to buy the three players he wanted.

 

Those players would have cost over £10m. When has this club ever had that kind of cash to splash (and don't forget the wages too)?

[sadoldgit]

Strange, I thought he left because he promised his missus and for a hip operation :rolleyes:

 

Even if it were true :

 

Whose fault is it if he had taken the club "as far as it could go" ? His or Lowe's ?

 

Weren't all you wrist slitters telling us that Strachan was leaving us for Leeds?

 

If someone tells you that they have taken a club as far as it can go, what does that tell you about their managerial ability?

 

There are plenty of managers who will tell you they could do better if they had some cash to spend. Look at dear old Harry, the pot is empty at Portsmouth so he is off to Spurs.

 

What we need is a manager and coching staff who can take what we can afford and make it better. Remember how poor Jones was? Burley and Snodin managed to get more out of him.

 

Strachan was the manager of the same side that tore Spurs apart as was trashed by Arsenal at Highbury....or was that Lowe's fault too?

 

You keep telling us that the team was dropping like a stone under Burely last season. Go take a look at Strachan's record after Christmas. After a bright start he was going backwards (with the same players) so why aren't you slagging him off?

 

Tell me, are you happy that he left Davies and Fabrice out of the team for the final? On the few occasions we attacked Arsenal they looked frail at the back, but after the hammering at Highbury WGS bottled it and played safe. Are you happy about that? If Burely had picked that team you would have slated him.

 

Or did Lowe pick the team? LOL

[Frank's cousin]

Would GS have left if he was allowed to buy the three players he wanted.

 

Probably not.... but where was the 12 mil comming from he wanted? No onehas yet answered this in the years since WGS left, yet is always brought up now and again as if it hold the key to our fortunes.... FFS, WGS would have loved to have stayed at Saints had we the money to push on to the next step - BUT HE UNDERSTOOD WE DID NOT - WE DID NOT WANT TO BORROW MORE. He had taken us as far as he could with our budget - now if you want to suggest an alternative to raising 12 mil by borrowing from the banks, please let me know.. as I could do with some of that myself.

[Window Cleaner]

Probably not.... but where was the 12 mil comming from he wanted? No onehas yet answered this in the years since WGS left' date=' yet is always brought up now and again as if it hold the key to our fortunes.... FFS, WGS would have loved to have stayed at Saints had we the money to push on to the next step - BUT HE UNDERSTOOD WE DID NOT - WE DID NOT WANT TO BORROW MORE. He had taken us as far as he could with our budget - now if you want to suggest an alternative to raising 12 mil by borrowing from the banks, please let me know.. as I could do with some of that myself.[/quote']

 

Should have asked local rich boys Crouch and Davies shouldn't they.

Leon would have been flashing his checkbook in a nanosecond.Apparently he's always just waiting for our call.

[um pahars]

Probably not.... but where was the 12 mil comming from he wanted? No onehas yet answered this in the years since WGS left' date=' yet is always brought up now and again as if it hold the key to our fortunes.... FFS, WGS would have loved to have stayed at Saints had we the money to push on to the next step - BUT HE UNDERSTOOD WE DID NOT - WE DID NOT WANT TO BORROW MORE. He had taken us as far as he could with our budget - now if you want to suggest an alternative to raising 12 mil by borrowing from the banks, please let me know.. as I could do with some of that myself.[/quote']

 

How much did we spend in the summer after the FA Cup final, the following January transfer window (when WGS was on his way out) and then the following summer when Sturrock had the kitty (who was also on the way out)????

 

I reckon we spent something approaching £20m in those three windows spent on quality such as Smith, Crainey, Prutton, McCann, Van Damme, Jakobson, Nilsson, Yahia, Folly etc etc etc (we also bought Crouch & Phillips).

 

I have always advocated financial prudence, but can't also help but think that our transfer and wage policy was misguided with too much money spent by too many managers on too many medicore players.

 

Would there have been some mileage in being more targeted and ambitious in our signings around this period????

 

(I would have advocated a similar policy this summer, in that rather than the scattergun approach of signing 9+ players, I would have concentrated on fewer of better quality or working on a way of retaining our better players).

[slickmick]

FFS' date=' WGS would have loved to have stayed at Saints had we the money to push on to the next step - BUT HE UNDERSTOOD WE DID NOT - WE DID NOT WANT TO BORROW MORE. He had taken us as far as he could with our budget - [/quote']

 

 

This seems to have been quoted on a number of occasions. Are we now saying that any manager that gets us to mid table of the premiership will leave us, because thats as far as they can take us ?

[WestSaint]

I would say that Lowes biggest mistakes was not acting fast enough to sack Wigley when it became obvious that we were not getting results. I think he was the wrong appointment anyway but was given far too long as coach/manager.

 

Big shame Pearson was not kept on. Fans seemed united behind him and this positivity could have rubbed off on Lowes return.

 

Lowes biggest failure has been his inability as a Director to try and unite the Club. He does not try and does not think he needs to.

[bridge too far]

Lowe's biggest mistake(s)?

 

1. Not keeping the lovely NP

 

2. Being born

[Thedelldays]

lowes biggest mistake..

 

well, he did not do too badly until 2004/2005 season..

 

we had a good manager, good finances, goodp players and a new ground all in his watch.

 

then we get to the cup final and it all started to go wrong...

 

so, to say he was bad from the start is utterly stupid..yet there are so many utterly stupid, bitter saints fans I am not surprised at the comments

[Guest Hacienda]

Appointing Wigley.

 

We've been on a downward spiral ever since, which I had hoped had stopped with the appointment of NP.

 

How wrong I was. :smt088

[Torrent Of Abuse]

Calm down, its a message board, people vent their anger and theres a lot of anger to vent. Its because there are so many people still perpetrating half truths and myths on this board that people feel obliged to point out the real facts. Like it or not Lowe doesn't come out of it very well. Now if we could all accept that mistakes have be made by Lowe then maybe the constant finger pointing would stop. Just look around the message board there are loads of intelligent conversations going on.

 

"I'm fully entitled to post what I like where I like thanks - and I'm pretty sure I don't need to ask you for your permission"

 

Maybe you should print out the above and stick on your monitor before you go of on one about people posting things you don't like.

Perhaps it's you who needs to post reminders on your monitor. As it's a message board, I'm allowed to suggest people are posting c**p and they're allowed to do the same to me. What surely isn't in the spirit of a message board is suggesting others have to go find a different thread as because this one doesn't suit a particular poster's point of view.

Why the f**k should we come up with the ideas to rescue the club ? Your Messiah Lowe is paid a kings ransom to do that, and considering his share stake, he should also be well-motivated.

Jesus, Alpine, you're a lazy poster. Who the hell said I thought of Lowe as some kind of messiah? Perhaps instead of resorting to your usual fall-back position of labelling people who disagree with you as 'lowe-luvvies' and 'happy-clappy super fans' you could actually consider that people might disagree with you and dislike Rupert Lowe. I wanted Rupert Lowe out and voted against him in the EGM. I despaired when he came back, sacking yet another manager in the process. That doesn't mean I hold him solely responsible the s**t we're in now and it doesn't mean I think that getting rid of him now is a good solution. I don't think that a club which is (allegedly) quibbling over playing players due to their performance bonuses can afford to pay for the termination of two more staff contracts and appoint anyone other than Skippy and possibly Digby the Biggest Dog in the World. As last year with your crusade to rid the club of George Burley - which led to the spectacularly successful appointment of the Chuckle Brothers, you seem oblivious to the fact that things can in fact get much worse and (given that we haven't got the hint of a suggestion of a rumour of two fivers to rub together) they probably will if we spend more money we don't have on changing the non-playing staff.

 

As for why you should come up with the ideas, how about because it's supposed to be your f**king club? Whether we're talking about Chairmen, executive directors, players, managers or academy boys the club is just another employer. We are the only ones who actually give a f**k. Once Ted Bates passed away and Matty hung up his boots, it came down to just us. I can't in all good conscience suggest we throw more money away on changing things off the field when I think it is almost guaranteed to bring administration and kill my club. It would be like choosing to cure a case of herpes by blowing your nuts off with a cannon.

 

Although I disagree with him most of the time, I think Nick Illingsworth was right when he said that we should perhaps try to put aside what ill feelings we have to support the club. Without our money or support it will simply die. Not have a bad season or employ a bad manager or appoint a nasty chairman but just die. I don't see much righteousness in letting the club go out of business for a principal. I guess I can understand people giving up or finding other things to spend their money on but I find it desperately sad that we (who are the only people who actually care about the club) would think of letting it go when there is still life in it.

 

The tale of the last three years for me has been a club ripping itself apart in front of me - particularly in the board room. It seems inevitable that a club which has fought so long against itself and changed its tack so many times (often at the worst time) would flounder. I guess that's what has frustrated me most about this thread - that after spending the last 3 years watching the board fighting amongst themselves, pointing accusatory fingers at each other while our club slowly dies on its a**e - we spend the time we have left doing exactly the same thing discussing where it all went wrong and who should be blamed.

[1976_Child]

Lowe's biggest mistake? Err..... thinking that he would be welcome back at the club the second time around. If he thinks he is some kind of saviour he should f@ck off and see a shrink. Or just f@ck off and never darken our football club's doorstep again.

[Oz]

lowes biggest mistake? the w****r being born!

[Viking Warrior]

How about g

 

Stuart Gray

[John Smith]

lowes biggest mistake..

 

well, he did not do too badly until 2004/2005 season..

 

we had a good manager, good finances, goodp players and a new ground all in his watch.

 

then we get to the cup final and it all started to go wrong...

 

so, to say he was bad from the start is utterly stupid..yet there are so many utterly stupid, bitter saints fans I am not surprised at the comments

 

Now, I must point out, because this does get raised quite a lot (the FA Cup run), We have to remember that we beat Millwall (after a replay) scraped through against a very poor and recently relegated Norwich, beat an average Championship side, at home again in Wolves, (even though the OS thinks it was 0-0), I thought we beat Spurs 4-1 this season, but can't find any trace of the game. Semi Final against a very average Watford team, narrowly beating them 2-1. Then drawing according to the OS, 0-0 in the final with Arsenal.

 

Now, I know in comparison with todays team, we would be jumping for joy if we'd beaten those teams, but the reality was, we had a very ordinary side, with two very good central defenders and one of the best goalkeepers in the league. A manager who made us one of the fittest sides in the division AND still Lowe wouldn't back us with that money, the extra stadium attendance money or sky. He bought us sh*t, Strachan left, we brought in more sh*t, Sturrock was kicked out, replaced by sh*t, booted out again and employed a bigger sh*t!

 

How exactly should we celebrate a cup final when all it did was bring us in sh*t? Had our expectations risen as fans, no chance, still hoping and wishing to be in the top ten, but Lowe masacred that chance, nice dividend that year though, very handsome.

 

So, did Lowe get us to Wembley? Or was it just the luck of the draw with the home ties against mediocre opposition and a very good manager (that Lowe got in because he was cheap) and a very good fitness programe?

 

LOWE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR FA CUP FINAL APPEARANCE!

 

 

NOTHING.

 

In fact, if it was down to him, he would have drawn Man U at Man U in the first round, take the money and run!

 

Money Money Money, this all went into the shareholders pockets and a bone was thrown to the manager to spend on sh*t. Bye bye Strachan, you were a great manager for us, but you were given nothing to work with, except dross and bargain basement signings. I think we boosted the largest squad in the league the year we went down, I think I remember counting 248 first team players!

[CB Fry]

Now, I must point out, because this does get raised quite a lot (the FA Cup run), We have to remember that we beat Millwall (after a replay) scraped through against a very poor and recently relegated Norwich, beat an average Championship side, at home again in Wolves, (even though the OS thinks it was 0-0), I thought we beat Spurs 4-1 this season, but can't find any trace of the game. Semi Final against a very average Watford team, narrowly beating them 2-1. Then drawing according to the OS, 0-0 in the final with Arsenal.

 

Now, I know in comparison with todays team, we would be jumping for joy if we'd beaten those teams, but the reality was, we had a very ordinary side, with two very good central defenders and one of the best goalkeepers in the league. A manager who made us one of the fittest sides in the division AND still Lowe wouldn't back us with that money, the extra stadium attendance money or sky. He bought us sh*t, Strachan left, we brought in more sh*t, Sturrock was kicked out, replaced by sh*t, booted out again and employed a bigger sh*t!

 

How exactly should we celebrate a cup final when all it did was bring us in sh*t? Had our expectations risen as fans, no chance, still hoping and wishing to be in the top ten, but Lowe masacred that chance, nice dividend that year though, very handsome.

 

So, did Lowe get us to Wembley? Or was it just the luck of the draw with the home ties against mediocre opposition and a very good manager (that Lowe got in because he was cheap) and a very good fitness programe?

 

LOWE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR FA CUP FINAL APPEARANCE!

 

 

NOTHING.

 

In fact, if it was down to him, he would have drawn Man U at Man U in the first round, take the money and run!

 

I know you are well known on this forum for posting infantile drivel, but this is one of the finest of the genre. You've surpassed yourself.

 

What absolute tosh.

 

Your disowning of the FA Cup run purely to make some pi ss weak point against the chairman at the time runs against why anyone supports a football team.

 

FA Cup draw is random, and we had favourable draws to get to the final. No sh it, sherlock.

 

And we did in 1976 too - we played a third tier team in the fuc king semi, and won with an offside goal. So do we disown that one too?

 

You can say the chairman had "nothing to do" with it, but only if you say he had "nothing to do" with relegation either.

 

And, as anyone with half a tiny brain knows he had his hand to play in relegation (in a huge, huge way) then just the same his appointment of Strachan and the great couple of seasons following that are something Lowe had a hand in too.

 

If Gordon Strachan thinks so, who the fu ck are you to say different? I'd like to see you tell Strachan to his face his cup run was one big fuc king fluke. Make my day.

 

I pity this country's education system for turning out dross like you. Get yourself an eduction - read a bit of Kipling

 

If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster

And treat those two impostors just the same;

 

Geddit? Unless, of course you are absolving Lowe of all blame of relegation too.....which would be equally thick being that our chairman was clearly to blame for it.

Well?

 

Oh, why bother with reasoning of an infant.

 

[John Smith]

I know you are well known on this forum for posting infantile drivel, but this is one of the finest of the genre. You've surpassed yourself.

 

What absolute tosh.

 

Your disowning of the FA Cup run purely to make some pi ss weak point against the chairman at the time runs against why anyone supports a football team.

 

FA Cup draw is random, and we had favourable draws to get to the final. No sh it, sherlock.

 

And we did in 1976 too - we played a third tier team in the fuc king semi, and won with an offside goal. So do we disown that one too?

 

You can say the chairman had "nothing to do" with it, but only if you say he had "nothing to do" with relegation either.

 

And, as anyone with half a tiny brain knows he had his hand to play in relegation (in a huge, huge way) then just the same his appointment of Strachan and the great couple of seasons following that are something Lowe had a hand in too.

 

If Gordon Strachan thinks so, who the fu ck are you to say different? I'd like to see you tell Strachan to his face his cup run was one big fuc king fluke. Make my day.

 

I pity this country's education system for turning out dross like you. Get yourself an eduction - read a bit of Kipling

 

If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster

And treat those two impostors just the same;

 

Geddit? Unless, of course you are absolving Lowe of all blame of relegation too.....which would be equally thick being that our chairman was clearly to blame for it.

Well?

 

Oh, why bother with reasoning of an infant.

 

 

I don't respond to you usually CB, generally because of your slur against disabled people.

 

But you have proven that you are a one trick pony once again.

 

You have missed the point, taken your own agenda, thrown in a few insults and tried to belittle someone, just because you can't find anything better to do.

 

Well done, maybe you should raise the bar one day, but I doubt it.

 

As for posting infantile drivel, try re-reading your post, sit back, think for more than one second, let the reality bite, then crawl back under the stone from whence you came.

 

Jog on.

[CB Fry]

I don't respond to you usually CB, generally because of your slur against disabled people.

 

But you have proven that you are a one trick pony once again.

 

You have missed the point, taken your own agenda, thrown in a few insults and tried to belittle someone, just because you can't find anything better to do.

 

Well done, maybe you should raise the bar one day, but I doubt it.

 

As for posting infantile drivel, try re-reading your post, sit back, think for more than one second, let the reality bite, then crawl back under the stone from whence you came.

 

Jog on.

 

Whatever. All I know is that day in Cardiff was a delicious day and easily the best day of my football supporting life. Laughed and sung in the pubs all day, cried for abide with me, and stayed in the Millenium until they virtually had to drag us out, drinking it all in.

 

I don't need a no mark like you telling me it was some fluke or an abberration. I don't need you telling me it was all luck of the draw.

 

So are you going to answer - if our current idiot chairman had "nothing to do" with a cup final and a season from a manager he employed then surely he had "nothing to do" with our subsequent relegation from the other managers he employed. Personally I think he takes nearly all the blame for relegation.

 

You obviously think he doesn't. Right?

 

Because sorry my homophobic little friend, the only stupid agenda on display is yours.

 

I absolutely loved that cup run, only a fool with an agenda would disown our second greatest day for the sake of slagging off a posh chairman. That's an agenda.

 

Seriously, grow up.

[sadoldgit]

Jez, what on earth is the point on harping on about the negatives?

 

Everybody makes mistakes, yes, even Alpine.

 

Some are bigger than others. So what?

 

The way some people crack on you would think that our Chairman/CEO or whaetver he is is the only person in football who makes errors of judgement.

 

It happens every day at every club in the world.

 

So what is the point exactly in harping on about the c*ck ups that go on here?

 

Couldn't we just have a week when we dwell on the postives?

 

Here is a thread that you could start Alpine - what was Lowe's greatest achievement?

 

Or you might find this one easier, MLTs greatest goal?

 

Or don't you do "positive"?

 

Negativity breeds negativity, and in your case it breeds like rabbits.

[saintwarwick]

Paul Sturrock had as much chance of keeping his job as Nigel Pearson did.

 

Lowe was over ruled on appointing Hoddle so revenge was only a matter of time. Likewise he couldn't tolerate Pearson who was chosen by Leon Crouch.

 

All in your opinion of course. As someone who hates Lowe it doesn't surprise me you come up with a statement like that. Sturrock was believed to have had a dressing room unrest which led him to leave, nothing to do with Lowe and your Pearson/Crouch theory is laughable at least imo but if you can provide me with the facts then I will retract my post. I won't hold my breathe though.