Lighthouse Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 Worth the season ticket on it's own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 for what reason...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MINIBARCELONASAINT Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 "Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarlon, she said no, Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaarlon she said no" "Aren't you s'posed to be in jail, aren't you s'posed to be in jail" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 Ashamed to say that I actually didn't realise the full extent of Marlon King's crimes and convictions until today's game, what a disgusting human being. Very glad he didn't have the chance to retort by scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 He was terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 Looked a very poor player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 A complete shadow of the player that used to tear us a new one while at Watford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 he's been out injured and only got his first start on Thursday. He looked reasonably sharp, his movement was very good and he held the ball up well. He's a ****, but if he wasn't I'd still take him here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 I didn't get the 'youre supposed to be in jail' stuff. He was in jail, he's not supposed to be there as he served his sentence. Yeah he's a ***** and it's a shame a football club values money so much they'll give him another chance, but let's at least be judicially accurate! shut up **** I think you'll find what people mean is "you should be in jail" because rape is such a nasty, invasive crime that he "should be in jail" for ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 Let's be clear. He's a ****, but he was convicted for punching a woman, slightly different from rape! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 shut up **** I think you'll find what people mean is "you should be in jail" because rape is such a nasty, invasive crime that he "should be in jail" for ever! Except, "I think you'll find", he didn't rape anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exit2 Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 Except, "I think you'll find", he didn't rape anyone. you beat me to it, but the chants were funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 "She said no Marlon, she said no" and "touch of a rapist" were possibly the funniest and most witty songs from the northam in a few years, well done, i didn't think they had it in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 I didn't get the 'youre supposed to be in jail' stuff. He was in jail, he's not supposed to be there as he served his sentence. Yeah he's a ***** and it's a shame a football club values money so much they'll give him another chance, but let's at least be judicially accurate! It seems he managed to get an 18-month sentence reduced to 5 or so, perhaps that was their angle? Either way it was bloody funny, I hope other clubs' fans dish it out to him just as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 Except, "I think you'll find", he didn't rape anyone.No, but he is a registered sex offender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 Have a look at the Wiki on him,makes interesting reading(if that is the right word?!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 Ashamed to say that I actually didn't realise the full extent of Marlon King's crimes and convictions until today's game, what a disgusting human being. Very glad he didn't have the chance to retort by scoring. Yeah, what a disgusting human being..... ..... who has been judged, sent down and SERVED his time. When a man has served his time, let him be. Otherwise we are all just hypocrites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 The guy is utter utter filth. How has been granted another go at a footballing career is one thing, and that he then promptly stabbed the club that bent over backwards for him (Coventry) can only reinforce the fact that he is utterly beneath contempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 When a man has served his time, let him be. Otherwise we are all just hypocrites. Would you be comfortable letting him near a young female relative? If so, you are a better person then me and many others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 Would you be comfortable letting him near a young female relative? If so, you are a better person then me and many others. that is specious. in the extreme. A society which will judge, convict and impose sentence but give no recourse to rehabilitation and forgiveness is not a society I would care to live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 that is specious. in the extreme. A society which will judge, convict and impose sentence but give no recourse to rehabilitation and forgiveness is not a society I would care to live in. Yet we live in a society that will actively discriminate against giving people jobs if they have any criminal convictions, particular those which are violent or sexual in nature. Well, in most industries anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 Yeah, what a disgusting human being..... ..... who has been judged, sent down and SERVED his time. When a man has served his time, let him be. Otherwise we are all just hypocrites. Sure, but look at the number of crimes he's committed and over how long a period. How many chances do you get before people are allowed to have a little sing-song about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 18 September, 2011 Author Share Posted 18 September, 2011 Sure, but look at the number of crimes he's committed and over how long a period. How many chances do you get before people are allowed to have a little sing-song about it? Well on the plus side, he did plant one on Dean Windass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 Sure, but look at the number of crimes he's committed and over how long a period. How many chances do you get before people are allowed to have a little sing-song about it? sing-song, one thing. I wager that with in the red-n-white faithful at SMS this afternoon there were quite a few in our number who have done bird. Some, on more than one occasion and some, yes even amongst us, for sexual crime. My point is simple. In fact it isn't even my point. Some chappie 2,000 years back said it: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 Yeah, what a disgusting human being..... ..... who has been judged, sent down and SERVED his time. When a man has served his time, let him be. Otherwise we are all just hypocrites. "King has convictions for 14 offences, dating from 1997. He received fines, driving bans, community service sentences, a rehabilitation order and orders to pay compensation on convictions including: theft from a person and from a car, criminal damage, and attempting to obtain property by deception; fraudulent use of vehicle licence document, driving without insurance, speeding, drink driving; a wounding incident while playing amateur football, and two cases involving assault of young women rejecting his advances in the Soho area of London." I'd suggest that the odds are pretty high on the man re-offending at some point in the future; and he has enough form to be mocked for past indiscretions IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 sing-song, one thing. I wager that with in the red-n-white faithful at SMS this afternoon there were quite a few in our number who have done bird. Some, on more than one occasion and some, yes even amongst us, for sexual crime. My point is simple. In fact it isn't even my point. Some chappie 2,000 years back said it: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" People on SaintsWeb quoting Religious Preachers over a football chant? Oh dear... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 "King has convictions for 14 offences, dating from 1997. He received fines, driving bans, community service sentences, a rehabilitation order and orders to pay compensation on convictions including: theft from a person and from a car, criminal damage, and attempting to obtain property by deception; fraudulent use of vehicle licence document, driving without insurance, speeding, drink driving; a wounding incident while playing amateur football, and two cases involving assault of young women rejecting his advances in the Soho area of London." I'd suggest that the odds are pretty high on the man re-offending at some point in the future; and he has enough form to be mocked for past indiscretions IMO. And? what has that to do with the price of eggs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 People on SaintsWeb quoting Religious Preachers over a football chant? Oh dear... Am I? I did say 'sing-song is one thing'... (ps, not sure JC should be marked down as a Religious Preacher, but anyhow....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 And? what has that to do with the price of eggs? It's got nothing to do with eggs. It's got everything to do with the fact that alot of people think the man is complete scum. You say to forgive and forget, but it's a bit difficult to do that when the bloke you're talking about seemingly has no intent of changing his ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 It's got everything to do with the fact that alot of people think the man is complete scum. You say to forgive and forget, but it's a bit difficult to do that when the bloke you're talking about seemingly has no intent of changing his ways. Quite right. He is no longer popular in Coventry for a very, very good reason.... and that was before he signed for Birmingham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 (edited) I still remember when he assaulted some guy when playing for Gillingham. He's always been an animal, clearly unhinged. But whether he should or shouldn't be in jail is missing the point, IMO. That's for the courts. What depresses me is that he's playing football. I know many go purely on results, money and would sell their soul for top flight TV money, european football etc., but what does that leave you with? IMO, a shell of a club that means nothing. You have just described the SISU ridden corpse perfectly. Your point about Lee Hughes though, at least he has expressed genuine remorse over his actions... The most that could ever be expected for a crime so dreadful. If only Marlon King knew what that word 'remorse' meant. Edited 18 September, 2011 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 It's got nothing to do with eggs. It's got everything to do with the fact that alot of people think the man is complete scum. You say to forgive and forget, but it's a bit difficult to do that when the bloke you're talking about seemingly has no intent of changing his ways. A lot of people think he is complete scum? So, do these people know him? Or are they just living in 'football soap-opera world'? Do these self-styled moral vigilantes have such an amazing insight into King's mind and soul that they know that he has no intent of changing his ways? Really? Do they know him? Really? Really? How brazen to assume that because he is a footballer you can know his mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 A lot of people think he is complete scum? So, do these people know him? Or are they just living in 'football soap-opera world'? Do these self-styled moral vigilantes have such an amazing insight into King's mind and soul that they know that he has no intent of changing his ways? Really? Do they know him? Really? Really? How brazen to assume that because he is a footballer you can know his mind. I don't think you have to be Freud to realise the bloke is scum. Besides, I'm not sure of your argument that you have to actually know King to be able to make a judgement on him. I'm not sure since when that's been a pre-requisite for starting to form an opinion about someone. If you want to give him the benefit of the doubt, fine, you do that. No-one is stopping you. A lot of others, however, look at his rap sheet and see a certain picture developing of the type on individual he is. I'm not so sure what's wrong with that, if I'm honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 Yeah. I don't know Hughes obviously and I'm sure he may well be very sorry, it just seems wrong he can come back and have a good career. I suppose the prison spell did cost him his higher level career and earnings but overall he's been successful. If it was just a one off incident then I guess there's little point destroying his life as well as the one already lost really, doesn't help anything. But there's definitely a difference when we're talking about someone who is just consistently violent. I would have hoped at very least he'd lose his football career, but we have to put up with this moron earning a fortune still. Maybe I overreact as I hate the money in football anyway and seeing lazy, thick idiots of dubious talent earning megabucks is bad enough, without the violent scum joining in. I'm not sure I understand the argument that convicted footballers shouldn't be allowed back in the game. So long as they serve their sentence handed down by the courts, they are deemed to have suffered their punishment and they're entitled to a career afterwards. Yes, the game is awash with money so it doesn't sit well, but they have every right to return to their previous job role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 I'm not sure I understand the argument that convicted footballers shouldn't be allowed back in the game. So long as they serve their sentence handed down by the courts, they are deemed to have suffered their punishment and they're entitled to a career afterwards. Yes, the game is awash with money so it doesn't sit well, but they have every right to return to their previous job role. You work with or around minors, you assault someone, do you expect to pass the entry requirements afterwards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 You work with or around minors, you assault someone, do you expect to pass the entry requirements afterwards? I'm not sure I understand your analogy and how it's relevant to football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 (edited) I'm not sure I understand your analogy and how it's relevant to football. Football Clubs have academys. Minors work in them and the senior pros are encouraged to work with the youngsters in many cases. Rigorous checks are carried out to ensure that coaches, support staff and various other personel are 'suitable' to work in these environments. Yet individuals like Marlon King can bypass that due to their supposed 'value' to a club. God, the number of kids in Coventry that looked up to him..... despite his convictions and behaviour that is still a factor. It does actually sicken me. Edited 18 September, 2011 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 Never said they shouldn't be allowed. I don't think there should be any such rule, it's too black and white. I'd just love to see clubs look at a free agent like King and think, 'while he can help us on the pitch, we don't want that sort of person associated with our club'. I just feel while you've got that short term desperation for success, you're likely to lose any meaning the club has and you have to wonder what the hell it is you're supporting. I totally agree with that; from a moral standpoint I'd have hated for Saints to sign someone like Marlon King. Unfortunately most clubs do not operate like that and are prepared to put aside their morals in response for potential success on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 Football Clubs have academys. Minors work in them and the senior pros are encouraged to work with the youngsters in many cases. Rigorous checks are carried out to ensure that coaches, support staff and various other personel are 'suitable' to work in these environments. Yet individuals like Marlon King can bypass that due to their supposed 'value' to a club. God, the number of kids in Coventry that looked up to him..... despite his convictions and behaviour that is still a factor. It does actually sicken me. I really don't see how that analogy holds up. Yes, there are Academies but King is not in charge of them. He just works in the same place as them. If he was a football academy coach then I could probably understand it, as he's on the sex offenders register. But as a footballer, I really can't see how by any lawful means he could not return to his job. There's the obvious moral issue of it all, of course, but that's an entirely different thing. If a football club wants to employ him, I don't think laws should be there to stop this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 Am I? I did say 'sing-song is one thing'... (ps, not sure JC should be marked down as a Religious Preacher, but anyhow....) No, since most likely he was a Jewish fundamentalist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 I really don't see how that analogy holds up. Yes, there are Academies but King is not in charge of them. He just works in the same place as them. If he was a football academy coach then I could probably understand it, as he's on the sex offenders register. But as a footballer, I really can't see how by any lawful means he could not return to his job. There's the obvious moral issue of it all, of course, but that's an entirely different thing. If a football club wants to employ him, I don't think laws should be there to stop this. I cannot agree that it's irrelevant. I'm sorry but employment by an organisation, particularly one that is a pillar of the community like a football club is (regardless of intent, it is a massive focal point) even after the crimes he has commited and consistency of his behaviour is almost tantamount to saying, "oh, if you're talented it doesn't matter what you do, you'll be given a king's ransom anyway!" It shouldn't matter if you are a cleaner or a striker. You break the law it makes you inelligable to work in these environments. And regarding the academy coach aspect, I know for a fact that King worked with academy players in his time at Coventry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwiz Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 Marlon King has convictions for 14 offences. He received fines, driving bans, community service sentences, a rehabilitation order & orders to pay compensation on convictions including: theft from a person & from a car, criminal damage, & attempting to obtain property by deception; fraudulent use of vehicle licence document, driving without insurance, speeding, drink driving; a wounding incident while playing amateur football & two cases involving assault of young women rejecting his advances in Soho & impersonating a footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 I cannot agree that it's irrelevant. I'm sorry but employment by an organisation, particularly one that is a pillar of the community like a football club is (regardless of intent, it is a massive focal point) even after the crimes he has commited and consistency of his behaviour is almost tantamount to saying, "oh, if you're talented it doesn't matter what you do, you'll be given a king's ransom anyway!" It shouldn't matter if you are a cleaner or a striker. You break the law it makes you inelligable to work in these environments. And regarding the academy coach aspect, I know for a fact that King worked with academy players in his time at Coventry. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one; but I think a lot of the ill feeling is caused from a sense of injustice just concerning the amount of money that players earn, and how it's considered an "easy ride" of a job. If he's not allowed to work as a footballer, what jobs is he entitled to apply for? And who makes this determination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one; but I think a lot of the ill feeling is caused from a sense of injustice just concerning the amount of money that players earn, and how it's considered an "easy ride" of a job. If he's not allowed to work as a footballer, what jobs is he entitled to apply for? And who makes this determination? Well, who makes that determination for regular sex offenders/violent criminals? It is a subjective thing, granted, but their behaviour bars many less 'talented' criminals from many, many jobs. That he hasn't been barred from a position of respect (for want of a better description) makes it repulsive to me. As you say, We may have to agree to dissagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSi Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 **** me, i bet at least half of you have punched a woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 Well, who makes that determination for regular sex offenders/violent criminals? It is a subjective thing, granted, but their behaviour bars many less 'talented' criminals from many, many jobs. That he hasn't been barred from a position of respect (for want of a better description) makes it repulsive to me. As you say, We may have to agree to dissagree. I agree with the moral standpoint of it, of course I do. I just wonder if the argument is based upon the fact that footballers are seen as role models, and an ex-con is a poor role model. The idea of footballers being role models is just not a concept I agree with in the first place. Barring someone from a job just because it's high profile isn't enough justification for me. I think a lot of the argument for it is that people want the punishment to continue by him having to work in a less glamourous job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 Barring someone from a job just because it's high profile isn't enough justification for me. I think a lot of the argument for it is that people want the punishment to continue by him having to work in a less glamourous job. I would flip that by saying its a desire to see him having no divine right to more glamourous one. The talent he displays has seen doors opened for him that would never have been revealed to someone of less a gift. It is horrible innequality. Criminality means nothing if you can kick a ball effectively, but if you are a sales rep who misbehaved, you're f*cked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 I would flip that by saying its a desire to see him having no divine right to more glamourous one. The talent he displays has seen doors opened for him that would never have been revealed to someone of less a gift. It is horrible innequality. Criminality means nothing if you can kick a ball effectively, but if you are a sales rep who misbehaved, you're f*cked. Again, is this not continuing his punishment? He's served his time in prison; making him work as a cleaner or bin man just because his profession pays too well or is in public doesn't sit well with me, aside from my moral will to actually see it happen. If he wasn't a top footballer, and instead for instance played for Eastleigh, would it still be the same and cause as much public outrage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 (edited) Again, is this not continuing his punishment? He's served his time in prison; making him work as a cleaner or bin man just because his profession pays too well or is in public doesn't sit well with me, aside from my moral will to actually see it happen. If he wasn't a top footballer, and instead for instance played for Eastleigh, would it still be the same and cause as much public outrage? It's a combination of the two though. It's not about the pay, it's about the reputation and impact of him continuing in a high profile role. That he is permitted to continue as he is tells the younger generations that your beahviour doesn't matter if you are in the upper bracket of sticking a ball into a net. At a non-league club it would still be an issue for me, but granted not to the same degree. I am a fan of non-league Margate, and the thought of someone like King playing for them sickens me all the same mind. Talent seems to outweigh criminality and consequence. That is the part I have issue with. Two men commit the same offence (A sales rep and a footballer say) but only one of those has the long term destruction of career. Edited 18 September, 2011 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 It's a combination of the two though. It's not about the pay, it's about the reputation and impact of him continuing in a high profile role. That he is permitted to continue as he is tells the younger generations that your beahviour doesn't matter if you are in the upper bracket of sticking a ball into a net. At a non-league club it would still be an issue for me, but granted not to the same degree. Talent seems to outweigh criminality and consequence. That is the part I have issue with. And that's the part I have issue with; that he is not allowed to continue is his previous profession just because it's high profile and for the image it projects. As I've said, I completely agree from a moral standpoint, I'd much prefer it my club decided not to hire such individuals. But some club will, as they will consider that he has paid his price to society and is entitled to a career doing what he's best at, and as unpalatable as some may find it I think that's the right course of action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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