Saint 76er Posted 16 September, 2011 Share Posted 16 September, 2011 Further to the thread on Lee Barnard, does anyone have any info on the situation with Danny Butterfield? He was awol in our hour of right back need last saturday and I doubt if NA would have taken Jack Cork out of midfield unless he really had to. Sure DB could be injured, but nothing has been said, or he could be out of favour for some reason. This would be strange as he seemed a model pro last season and would have been the obvious replacement for FR. So ITK'ers, it's over to you ... PS Thread title has put me in Marvin Gaye mode. That's Gaye with an 'e' before any of you start! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 16 September, 2011 Share Posted 16 September, 2011 Personally think it's good that the club are so cagey with injury news. It doesn't bring the player back any more quickly by broadcasting it to all and sundry, plus it'll keep opposition guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 September, 2011 Share Posted 16 September, 2011 He has fallen out with Adkins. We were apparantly trying to offer him plus cash for that right back at Palace whose name i have forgotten for now. Apparantly although Butterfield wanted to go back to Palace he was not happy that he wasn't asked first and him and Adkins had a fall out over it hence he is out of favour at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disconnect Posted 16 September, 2011 Share Posted 16 September, 2011 Nathaniel Clyne. He's injured too at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 16 September, 2011 Share Posted 16 September, 2011 He has fallen out with Adkins. We were apparantly trying to offer him plus cash for that right back at Palace whose name i have forgotten for now. Apparantly although Butterfield wanted to go back to Palace he was not happy that he wasn't asked first and him and Adkins had a fall out over it hence he is out of favour at the moment. I'll be doggone. Did you hear that through the grapevine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 16 September, 2011 Share Posted 16 September, 2011 Shame if true. He's a good footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEVMAN Posted 16 September, 2011 Share Posted 16 September, 2011 Cork is back in midfied on sunday so one of our rightbacks is fit,i assume that is probably Richardson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintAndy14 Posted 16 September, 2011 Share Posted 16 September, 2011 I was wondering this too...I suppose Turkish's explanation makes sense but that would be a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 16 September, 2011 Share Posted 16 September, 2011 PS Thread title has put me in Marvin Gaye mode. That's Gaye with an 'e' before any of you start! MPG actually changed the spelling, adding the e, of his surname because of the connotations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 16 September, 2011 Share Posted 16 September, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 16 September, 2011 Share Posted 16 September, 2011 MPG actually changed the spelling, adding the e, of his surname because of the connotations. I very much doubt this is true, when did the word 'gay' come about? mid-80's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 16 September, 2011 Share Posted 16 September, 2011 Butterfield was on the Saints Player video training with the squad as was Richardson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgoose Posted 16 September, 2011 Share Posted 16 September, 2011 I thought I'd picked up from one source that he was injured.....shame if true about the possible transfer situation...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 16 September, 2011 Share Posted 16 September, 2011 I liked him better with longer hair. Gonna throw that out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 September, 2011 Share Posted 16 September, 2011 Butterfield was on the Saints Player video training with the squad as was Richardson. Well of course he is. He is still an SFC player, just out of favour. He is obviously still going to train with the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yate Saint Posted 16 September, 2011 Share Posted 16 September, 2011 I liked him better with longer hair. Gonna throw that out there. Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted 16 September, 2011 Share Posted 16 September, 2011 "Glad to be Gay" by TRB was mid 70s as I recall. Also this from Wiki would suggest "gay" was a term in use for homosexuality long before that: "Gay News was a pioneering fortnightly newspaper in the United Kingdom founded in June 1972 in a collaboration between former members of the Gay Liberation Front and members of the Campaign for Homosexual Equality (CHE)." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 17 September, 2011 Share Posted 17 September, 2011 Well of course he is. He is still an SFC player, just out of favour. He is obviously still going to train with the squad. So he's not Puncheon out of favour then? otherwise he'd be trainning with the devolopment squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 September, 2011 Share Posted 17 September, 2011 So he's not Puncheon out of favour then? otherwise he'd be trainning with the devolopment squad. From what i've heard the Puncheon situaton was different because he fell out a few times, sulked, refused to travel with the team to a game, train etc, which was why he was banished to that squad to teach him a lesson and because he was seen as a negative influence. Butterfield has been more professional than that and continued to come in everyday, support the team etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 17 September, 2011 Share Posted 17 September, 2011 "Glad to be Gay" by TRB was mid 70s as I recall. Also this from Wiki would suggest "gay" was a term in use for homosexuality long before that: "Gay News was a pioneering fortnightly newspaper in the United Kingdom founded in June 1972 in a collaboration between former members of the Gay Liberation Front and members of the Campaign for Homosexual Equality (CHE)." OK Fred ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 17 September, 2011 Share Posted 17 September, 2011 Further to the thread on Lee Barnard, does anyone have any info on the situation with Danny Butterfield? He was awol in our hour of right back need last saturday and I doubt if NA would have taken Jack Cork out of midfield unless he really had to. Sure DB could be injured, but nothing has been said, or he could be out of favour for some reason. This would be strange as he seemed a model pro last season and would have been the obvious replacement for FR. So ITK'ers, it's over to you ... Either he's out of his depth at this level, is injured or he's sulking 'cos Richardson gets the nod. Trouble is none of them are really good enough for a top side in this league and Jack is woeful at full back, we missed a big chance over the summer. Try Fox over there and keep Harding in. Absolutely we should offer at least £4million for Gunter he is absolutely fabulous, if he's good enough to mark Wooney out of a ganme he's probably good enough for Saints - what d'you think Nigel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 17 September, 2011 Share Posted 17 September, 2011 I very much doubt this is true, when did the word 'gay' come about? mid-80's? Sorry I have not replied sooner, 3 post rule and a gravely ill Mother being my priority. Gay, as a term for homosexual has been in use probably for far longer than you may think. Although, as with many 'Americanisms' we Brits tend to lag a little on the timescale before a word enters more common usage. There is, certainly, more than one reason that is known for the surname change although the one I mention is the more prevalent and is not even debunked by Snopes! http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=21684 Note how snopes quote, from another source, the use of the word gay as being in use well before the 1950s! The inevitable use of wikipedia entries neither confirms or denies any truth in the real reason. From Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin Gaye Early career (1958 - 1962) Citation 13. "Before releasing his first single in May 1961, he altered his last name to "Gaye", later stating that he added the 'e' because "it sounded more professional" and to emulate what Sam Cooke had done before releasing his first secular record following his split from the Soul Stirrers. A famous story about the name change came from author David Ritz, Gaye's confidant in later years, who said Gaye had said that he wanted to "quiet the gossip" of his last name and to distance himself from his father." Back on Snopes there is even reference made to Cary Grant using the term gay in the 1938 film Bringing Up Baby. Marvin Snr was a big, both positive and negative, influence on Marvin Jnr's life. Indeed Snr himself had his lifestyle called into question on several ocassions with allegations of 'cross-dressing' etc. Let me state at this juncture I am fully aware, having several gay friends, that a cross dresser is not necessarily homosexual and vice versa. Certainly it would appear that MPG was teased as to his surname and it would appear odd that he did not choose to change his surname to something which had no semblance at all to his birth name. Jnr lived in a certain amount of awe of Snr and another reason given for the name change is that Jnr did not want to 'embarass' his father by pursuing a career as a secular singer when his father was a preacher. http://whatsinaname-jan.blogspot.com/ "Did you know that the late rhythm and blues singer , Marvin Gaye, legally changed the spelling of his surname "Gay" to "Gaye" because he was so sensitive about its sexual connotation? It is alleged that Gay was teased as a child because of his surname and he hated it so much that it caused him to modified it, especially as his father, the Reverend Gaye, was reputed to be a crossdresser." http://kikoshouse.blogspot.com/2010/01/marvin-gaye-appreciation.html "Marvin Pentz Gay Jr. was born on April 2, 1939 to Alberta Cooper, a domestic and school teacher, and Marvin Gay Sr., a minister at the House of God church in Washington, D.C. (Marvin Jr. later changed the spelling of his last name to Gaye because he felt that it sounded more professional, although some people have said that he was sensitive to the original spelling's homosexual connotation.) " So it's rather difficult to debunk the reason I gave as an 'urban myth'. Certainly within the hallowed portals of 2648 West Grand Boulevard, and Gaye's latter life confidants, it is the common and generally accepted reason for the name change rather than an affectation. On a personal note, if I had felt so affected then my change would have been rather more drastic, removing all possible links! "Glad to be Gay" by TRB was mid 70s as I recall. Also this from Wiki would suggest "gay" was a term in use for homosexuality long before that: "Gay News was a pioneering fortnightly newspaper in the United Kingdom founded in June 1972 in a collaboration between former members of the Gay Liberation Front and members of the Campaign for Homosexual Equality (CHE)." Thanks Aardvark, just a little further information; http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=gay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted 17 September, 2011 Share Posted 17 September, 2011 OK Fred ! Oi! Freda to you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 17 September, 2011 Share Posted 17 September, 2011 Fair play ESB! After my rather intemperate outburst I too wandered over to Wiki (the source of all truth) and 'tis indeed the case that 'gay' dates from much before I realised. One moments thought would have placed TRB's Sing if you're glad to be gay squarely in the 70's. (Still didn't find over-much evidence that this was the primary reason for Marvin to change his name though!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 17 September, 2011 Share Posted 17 September, 2011 Fair play ESB! After my rather intemperate outburst I too wandered over to Wiki (the source of all truth) and 'tis indeed the case that 'gay' dates from much before I realised. One moments thought would have placed TRB's Sing if you're glad to be gay squarely in the 70's. (Still didn't find over-much evidence that this was the primary reason for Marvin to change his name though!) I think you'll find my comment about Wiki is much the same as yours although, being a long time fan of Motown there are many interesting snippets which come up and I have to say that the particular one I quoted is the more accepted reason. Logically it doesn't stand up, if I was worried that my name was close to being a derogatory term then my choice of change would have been a million miles away from it! Yours Sincerely Robin farquaharn b'stard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 17 September, 2011 Share Posted 17 September, 2011 I'm a bit confused here. Has Danny Butterfield left us for a new music career, or is Marvin Gaye coming in on loan at right back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 17 September, 2011 Share Posted 17 September, 2011 He has fallen out with Adkins. We were apparantly trying to offer him plus cash for that right back at Palace whose name i have forgotten for now. Apparantly although Butterfield wanted to go back to Palace he was not happy that he wasn't asked first and him and Adkins had a fall out over it hence he is out of favour at the moment. I would not expect you to name your source for this but give us a clue as to reliable it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 I would not expect you to name your source for this but give us a clue as to reliable it is. V reliable. They have told me about several players signing or deals falling through days before they did, why Pardew was sacked and some other juicey snippets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 V reliable. They have told me about several players signing or deals falling through days before they did, why Pardew was sacked and some other juicey snippets. That's not fair, just tell us all this stuff rather than tease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 Why would i do that? I've been called all sorts of names on here in the past and even today because i dont play the happy, clappy gimpy fan that you need to be to fit in around here. So why would i share interesting information on a forum which doesn't like me?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 Not at all, i dont care. In fact i find it quite amusing and a little bit sad that some of you take yourselves and the internet so seriously. If i cared do you not think i would have changed my internet persona to fit in around here by now?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 Pardew was sacked because of the fonte thing. Source? A current young first team player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 Why would i do that? I've been called all sorts of names on here in the past and even today because i dont play the happy, clappy gimpy fan that you need to be to fit in around here. So why would i share interesting information on a forum which doesn't like me??Personally I think you've made the whole thing up, because ultimatley you are an attention seeking little boy, there are plenty of other ITK posters on here and other sites I use, none of which have mentioned anything of the sort regarding Butterfield. I often wonder what people like you get out of anonymously making stuff up on the internet.....bizzarre !? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 Not at all, i dont care. In fact i find it quite amusing and a little bit sad that some of you take yourselves and the internet so seriously. If i cared do you not think i would have changed my internet persona to fit in around here by now?? spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 spot on.Its no surprise that you agree with him, you're another attention seeking little 'tard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 18 September, 2011 Share Posted 18 September, 2011 Pardew was sacked because of the fonte thing. Source? A current young first team player. Sorry, but i don't know what the "Fonte thing" is? Any chance of a short explanation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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