Kingsland Red Posted 13 September, 2011 Share Posted 13 September, 2011 Thank you Nigel. What a fantastic year. Now onwards back to where we belong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 13 September, 2011 Share Posted 13 September, 2011 If he can reproduce his first year, this time next year, then we'll know we have a very special manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st.sj Posted 13 September, 2011 Share Posted 13 September, 2011 from the moment he came in the building he seemed to get every one on the same bus. He seems to control the controllables and he realised its all about winning a game of football, simple as that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 13 September, 2011 Share Posted 13 September, 2011 Not really, we were 14th on 4 points after three games (6 points off second with a game in hand). We were 22nd on 4 points after 6 games. Truth is we won 4-0 before Wilkins stepped in and then lost four straight games... Exactly we weren't flying by any stretch of the imagination but we had won 2 games, drawn 1 and lost 2 (one of which was a complete mugging the other against a good PL side). That Wilkins couldn't manage even 1pt out of three games (and got us knocked out of the JPT) with the players avaliable speaks volumes about his ability as a manager. I remember being at SMS against Rochdale when Wilkins took off Oxo and replaced him with Mills to a chorus of "you don't know what your doing". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustapha Fag Posted 13 September, 2011 Share Posted 13 September, 2011 That Wilkins couldn't manage even 1pt out of three games (and got us knocked out of the JPT) with the players available speaks volumes about his ability as a manager. See i wonder how much the players attitude to Pardew going affected these games Not saying Wilkins was management material but with those players we should have got something somewhere Still i still think we have done better under the positive style of Adkin than we would have under Pardew but that is unprovable, therefore im taking my seat on the bus and happy im on this journey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 13 September, 2011 Share Posted 13 September, 2011 I like the five positives plus one negative approach ( mentioned in the Beeb article ). No one minds being pulled up on one thing if you've been bigged up on five other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 13 September, 2011 Share Posted 13 September, 2011 Pardew certainly laid the foundations but since Christmas Adkins has done an amazing job. Long may it continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 13 September, 2011 Share Posted 13 September, 2011 See i wonder how much the players attitude to Pardew going affected these games Not saying Wilkins was management material but with those players we should have got something somewhere Still i still think we have done better under the positive style of Adkin than we would have under Pardew but that is unprovable, therefore im taking my seat on the bus and happy im on this journey I was upset at the time AP went but it's all worked out for the best (even for AP) I'm very happy with the way things are going under NA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted 13 September, 2011 Share Posted 13 September, 2011 Would we be doing any better with another manager? NO. Has worked out brilliantly for us, long may it continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 14 September, 2011 Share Posted 14 September, 2011 Nice to see the beeb article. Most not new although didnt know about the 5 positives 1 negative from every game. If only the forum was the same;) And not sure the significance of the blue line although nice detail. I would prefer magenta though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 14 September, 2011 Share Posted 14 September, 2011 See i wonder how much the players attitude to Pardew going affected these games Not saying Wilkins was management material but with those players we should have got something somewhere Still i still think we have done better under the positive style of Adkin than we would have under Pardew but that is unprovable, therefore im taking my seat on the bus and happy im on this journey It's a bit far fetched to imagine that the players had an issue with Pardew after our most successful season in 30 odd years isn't it? And after a 4-0 thumping... The Chairman had an issue with Pardew certainly. The players were more likely in complete shock - and Wilkins was not the man to reinstall the rudder by any stretch (I have sympathy with him)! What I would say is that last season Rickie Lambert was half the player he is again this season and I put that down to the superb pre-season Adkins must have done on his diet and fitness. To me Rickie looks half a stone lighter, tighter and sharper. So while last year I wasn't convinced Pardew wasted pre-season, this year I am!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 14 September, 2011 Share Posted 14 September, 2011 See i wonder how much the players attitude to Pardew going affected these games Not saying Wilkins was management material but with those players we should have got something somewhere Still i still think we have done better under the positive style of Adkin than we would have under Pardew but that is unprovable, therefore im taking my seat on the bus and happy im on this journey We finished the previous season winning something like ten of the last twelve and winning the cup as well. And Pardew's last game in charge was a 4-0 hammering. The fact that form collapsed on his departure is, if anything, an indication of the players clear affinity and support for Pardew. How you can spin it as proof they had a problem with him is frankly bonkers. The general "new manager effect" rule would be players fed up with old manager start winning as soon as manager departs. That clearly didn't happen with Wilkins. I really don't understand this desperation from some to belittle and write off Alan Pardew's season with us - he clearly did a fantastic job overall, and left Adkins a superb legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harwellsaint Posted 14 September, 2011 Share Posted 14 September, 2011 says it all what a top man, and if you get to meet him (met him on ground tour) he is genuinely intrested in what we think, he took time out to sit in dressing room with us and have a talk about all things saints, so again thank you , adkins is our king!!!!It is one year to the day since Nigel "came into the building" and there's been no looking back since, now seems a good time to reflect on the stats: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Games Managed = 53 Won = 37 Drawn = 7 Lost = 9 Goals For = 111 Goals Against = 45 Goal difference = +66 Goals Scored Per Game Average = 2.1 Goals Conceded Per Game Average = 0.9 Win Percentage = 70% Seasons: 2010-11 = 2nd (Promoted) 2011-12 = 2nd (Season Ongoing) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- With all the broken records along the way, including our best start for 76 years, 12 straight home wins, and only 2 defeats at St. Mary's under his leadership (one of which was against Manchester United), he has pushed the team that Pardew assembled to the next level, got out of them what Pardew could not and then added to that quality. We look fitter, faster, stronger and united and play an attractive and expansive style of football, we entertain the crowd, and we are winning games. I no longer give up if we go 2 down, I always know we can do it, when we went 1 down to Forest, and went behind at Leicester, I never once panicked or felt like giving up. What a great first year we have enjoyed under Nigel, and I hope we will be seeing many more with Nige at the helm. Thank You Nigel Adkins. (Also a huge well done to Nicola Cortese and also Les Reed, who I understand brought Adkins to Cortese's attention, having led courses Nigel was on. If Les does nothing else, I thank him for giving us Nigel and the great season we had.) And the Saints Go Marching On, On, On..... Together as One! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 14 September, 2011 Share Posted 14 September, 2011 We finished the previous season winning something like ten of the last twelve and winning the cup as well. And Pardew's last game in charge was a 4-0 hammering. The fact that form collapsed on his departure is, if anything, an indication of the players clear affinity and support for Pardew. How you can spin it as proof they had a problem with him is frankly bonkers. The general "new manager effect" rule would be players fed up with old manager start winning as soon as manager departs. That clearly didn't happen with Wilkins. I really don't understand this desperation from some to belittle and write off Alan Pardew's season with us - he clearly did a fantastic job overall, and left Adkins a superb legacy. I really don't understand this desperation to overstate the quality of Pardew's tenure here. It would've been a fantastic job if he had led us to the playoffs (bearing in mind Leeds got to the playoffs with a -17 deduction), and had managed to maintain a good relationship with Cortese (vital to keep a good relationship with the Chairman as a modern day manager). As it was, Pardew did a good job. Not spectacular, but a good, solid job of rebuilding our club. He built the foundations for Adkins, I agree with that part of your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 September, 2011 Share Posted 14 September, 2011 I really don't understand this desperation to overstate the quality of Pardew's tenure here. It would've been a fantastic job if he had led us to the playoffs (bearing in mind Leeds got to the playoffs with a -17 deduction), and had managed to maintain a good relationship with Cortese (vital to keep a good relationship with the Chairman as a modern day manager). As it was, Pardew did a good job. Not spectacular, but a good, solid job of rebuilding our club. He built the foundations for Adkins, I agree with that part of your post. Pardew did better than a good job here, it's folly to suggest otherwise. Especially so considering he had less than half a summer to completely rebuild a whole squad. Some of his achievements: After a slow start to season 2009/10, our form from October 1st to the end of the season was championship winning (we averaged 2 points per game). Subtract the ten point penalty and we would have made the playoffs. Subtract the ten point penalty and for two years of the previous five we would have gained automatic promotion (in one year we would have gone up as champions). We won our first trophy for more than 30 years. The signings he made (Fonte, Harding, Richardson, Hammond, Guly, Lambert, Connolly) still provide the spine of the current side. No-one knows just what would have happened if he had stayed, so there's no point speculating. But his achievements with us were excellent, particularly for season 2009/10 when he completely turned us around and set up a team of players that is now competing at the top of the Championship, and to deny that does a disservice to the actual job he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 14 September, 2011 Share Posted 14 September, 2011 I really don't understand this desperation to overstate the quality of Pardew's tenure here. It would've been a fantastic job if he had led us to the playoffs (bearing in mind Leeds got to the playoffs with a -17 deduction), and had managed to maintain a good relationship with Cortese (vital to keep a good relationship with the Chairman as a modern day manager). As it was, Pardew did a good job. Not spectacular, but a good, solid job of rebuilding our club. He built the foundations for Adkins, I agree with that part of your post. For someone accusing people of overstating, you're overstating Leeds points deduction which was -15. Leeds are still the only club to achieve a play off place with a deduction, and Saints came bloody close. A hell of a lot of fans on here like to bleat on about how important pre season is and Dennis Wise was well establised at Leeds before that season. Pardew had just walked in the door and had to build an entirely new team from scratch. The vast majority of that team he built is currently second place in the Championship. And hindsight is a wonderful thing - there were plenty on here in that first season fully expecting us to be scratching about fighting relegation to the fourth tier. And to your other rather lame point, I also think it is vital for a modern day chairman to keep a good relationship with his football manager. You have no idea whatsoever, no idea at all, of what made up the relationship between Cortese and Pardew, so don't bother preaching about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 14 September, 2011 Share Posted 14 September, 2011 For someone accusing people of overstating, you're overstating Leeds points deduction which was -15. Leeds are still the only club to achieve a play off place with a deduction, and Saints came bloody close. A hell of a lot of fans on here like to bleat on about how important pre season is and Dennis Wise was well establised at Leeds before that season. Pardew had just walked in the door and had to build an entirely new team from scratch. The vast majority of that team he built is currently second place in the Championship. And hindsight is a wonderful thing - there were plenty on here in that first season fully expecting us to be scratching about fighting relegation to the fourth tier. And to your other rather lame point, I also think it is vital for a modern day chairman to keep a good relationship with his football manager. You have no idea whatsoever, no idea at all, of what made up the relationship between Cortese and Pardew, so don't bother preaching about it. Neither do you but that doesn't stop you. Pardew had us 6 points away from the play off's at xmas and IMO should have got us there. -10 points or not, after getting that close, he should have made it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 14 September, 2011 Share Posted 14 September, 2011 Neither do you but that doesn't stop you. Pardew had us 6 points away from the play off's at xmas and IMO should have got us there. -10 points or not, after getting that close, he should have made it. That's a rather fatuous argument. A season is over a season. At that point we then had something like 7 games from 9 away from home to top half teams... The idea that because a manager did a great job and nearly achieved something incredible he somehow failed is bizarre in the extreme. Before Pardew arrived we were one of the worst teams in English football. How quickly people forget... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 14 September, 2011 Share Posted 14 September, 2011 That's a rather fatuous argument. A season is over a season. At that point we then had something like 7 games from 9 away from home to top half teams... The idea that because a manager did a great job and nearly achieved something incredible he somehow failed is bizarre in the extreme. Before Pardew arrived we were one of the worst teams in English football. How quickly people forget... No I havn't forgotten anything. Alot of people write off NA's achievements last year due to the fact that the squad is much better than L1 standard so should be expected. The same people credit AP with building the spine of the team (which he did) which is still in place today. So with half a season still to play, 6 points off the play off's and a squad much too good for L1, it's unfair to suggest that this wasn't more than achievable? I wonder if NA would have been afforded the same level of understanding last season had we come short......considering were we were when he came in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 14 September, 2011 Share Posted 14 September, 2011 No I havn't forgotten anything. Alot of people write off NA's achievements last year due to the fact that the squad is much better than L1 standard so should be expected. The same people credit AP with building the spine of the team (which he did) which is still in place today. So with half a season still to play, 6 points off the play off's and a squad much too good for L1, it's unfair to suggest that this wasn't more than achievable? I wonder if NA would have been afforded the same level of understanding last season had we come short......considering were we were when he came in. Pardew turned around a club on its knees and gave us a winning mentality. Adkins took over a club in a promising position and did a superb job motivating a good squad and establishing it playing excellent, attractive football. It is possible to appreciate that both managers are bloody good at what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 September, 2011 Share Posted 14 September, 2011 No I havn't forgotten anything. Alot of people write off NA's achievements last year due to the fact that the squad is much better than L1 standard so should be expected. The same people credit AP with building the spine of the team (which he did) which is still in place today. So with half a season still to play, 6 points off the play off's and a squad much too good for L1, it's unfair to suggest that this wasn't more than achievable? I wonder if NA would have been afforded the same level of understanding last season had we come short......considering were we were when he came in. Why do you portray it as a comparison between either Pardew being good or Adkins being good? A lot of people think that Pardew did an excellent job for us, by turning the club around, making some excellent signings and perhaps being unfortunate not to qualify for the playoffs. A lot of the same people also believe Adkins did a brilliant job in getting us promoted, and is doing an excellent job right now. It's possible to credit one without taking credit away from the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 14 September, 2011 Share Posted 14 September, 2011 Pardew turned around a club on its knees and gave us a winning mentality. Adkins took over a club in a promising position and did a superb job motivating a good squad and establishing it playing excellent, attractive football. It is possible to appreciate that both managers are bloody good at what they do. He had a very good budget and bought in very good players. It's hardly the same as taking the poor squad which got us relegated and turning them around is it? The likes of Lambert, Harding, Hammond, Fonte wouldn't have given a monkeys how **** we were before so it's irrelevant really. I'm not suggesting that he didn't do a good job but I stand by my opinion that having been so close to the play off's, we could and should have made it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 14 September, 2011 Share Posted 14 September, 2011 He had a very good budget and bought in very good players. It's hardly the same as taking the poor squad which got us relegated and turning them around is it? The likes of Lambert, Harding, Hammond, Fonte wouldn't have given a monkeys how **** we were before so it's irrelevant really. I'm not suggesting that he didn't do a good job but I stand by my opinion that having been so close to the play off's, we could and should have made it. You don't think a pre-season is needed then? Just like that, buy a few players in and hey presto you can win football matches. Feck me, why isn't every team top of the league in August? I shall have to go back and re-assess my 35 years of following football after that bombshell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 14 September, 2011 Share Posted 14 September, 2011 You don't think a pre-season is needed then? Just like that, buy a few players in and hey presto you can win football matches. Feck me, why isn't every team top of the league in August? I shall have to go back and re-assess my 35 years of following football after that bombshell... Lol. I was refering to where we were at xmas. I think half a season is a little better than pre-season but hey what do I know? Who am I to argue with your 35 years of football knowledge!? Silly me On the subject of pre-season, how did his next one go? remind me again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 14 September, 2011 Share Posted 14 September, 2011 Lol. I was refering to where we were at xmas. I think half a season is a little better than pre-season but hey what do I know? Who am I to argue with your 35 years of football knowledge!? Silly me On the subject of pre-season, how did his next one go? remind me again... You can read what I thought about the following pre-season above. What's clear is that you don't rate Pardew. That's fine. Don't dress it up as anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 14 September, 2011 Share Posted 14 September, 2011 You can read what I thought about the following pre-season above. What's clear is that you don't rate Pardew. That's fine. Don't dress it up as anything else. Not dressing anything up. Did a good job but a) we should have made the play off's b) didn't believe that his time with us was sustainable as he thought he was better than L1 and didn't buy into the clubs philosophy. All in my opinion if that's allowed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustapha Fag Posted 14 September, 2011 Share Posted 14 September, 2011 The fact that form collapsed on his departure is, if anything, an indication of the players clear affinity and support for Pardew. How you can spin it as proof they had a problem with him is frankly bonkers. Thank you for explaining exactly what i meant I never said they had a problem, i said maybe we lost the three games because the players were ****ed off with Pardew going, if you read the next line it probably explains that ahh never mind *It's a bit far fetched to imagine that the players had an issue with Pardew after our most successful season in 30 odd years isn't it? And after a 4-0 thumping...* never said they did, not anywhere did i say they had a problem with Pardew **** me Baz you've got one weird forum here nipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 14 September, 2011 Share Posted 14 September, 2011 Pardew did a decent job. But Adkins has done an even better one and it appears to me that he is the one who has fostered the better team spirit, unity and also the more entertaining and effective style of football. A year ago, Adkins was really more of an unknown quantity, but this year has given enough credence to make comparisons between the two managers. Would anybody swap Adkins back for Pardew now? I certainly wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 15 September, 2011 Share Posted 15 September, 2011 Not dressing anything up. Did a good job but a) we should have made the play off's b) didn't believe that his time with us was sustainable as he thought he was better than L1 and didn't buy into the clubs philosophy. All in my opinion if that's allowed? Naturally. Although you should refer to the link below. After 22 games we were 10 points off the play-offs (our deduction) - and not the 6 you imagine. If you don't think that the form (Chamionship winning from then on) is good enough from a manager, I suggest your standards will never be met... http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-one/2009-2010/table/2009-12-19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 15 September, 2011 Share Posted 15 September, 2011 Thank you for explaining exactly what i meant I never said they had a problem, i said maybe we lost the three games because the players were ****ed off with Pardew going, if you read the next line it probably explains that ahh never mind *It's a bit far fetched to imagine that the players had an issue with Pardew after our most successful season in 30 odd years isn't it? And after a 4-0 thumping...* never said they did, not anywhere did i say they had a problem with Pardew **** me Baz you've got one weird forum here nipper You're right, my bad. I quoted you but was aiming a comment elsewhere. Apols. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustapha Fag Posted 15 September, 2011 Share Posted 15 September, 2011 You're right, my bad. I quoted you but was aiming a comment elsewhere. Apols. accepted, now wheres my ticket, ive got a bus to catch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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