doddisalegend Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 (edited) So having finally seen Danny fox play 90mins in his favoured postion what are peoples thoughts Not as I good as I was expecting if I'm honest. In fairness to Danny his price tag meant I was expecting something special and I got pretty average. The way we play at the moment does leave the full backs rather exposed TBF. However they're we're several times when I expected the forest player coming down our left to be challenged and our LB didn't seem to be anywhere near him. His passing was a pretty wayward, specially early on, but I put that down to nerves. He didn't seem to get foward to support Adam that well either. At one point Adam was hammering forward and I looked for Fox to be overlapping him the way Harding does to see Fox heading back into our half. Not writing him off after one match, its going to take time to forge a relationship like Lallana and Harding have (they've had two season to get to know each others game) and some of his crossing/free kicks we're pretty good, including setting up Lambos third. Edited 10 September, 2011 by doddisalegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 He is exactly what Burnley fans said he was. Good going forward in an attacking sense, a terrific delivery and set piece taker - but suspect defensively, often getting caught out of position. Let Nige and co work their magic on him and I'm sure he can be a much more effective defensive full back, but on today's showing he looks more of a left midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Not a LB IMO would prefer Harding with Fox to come in at LM if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 He is very good on the ball and delivers a nice cross, he really suits our attacking game but he was caught out a few times either because he was too far forward or had little protection in front of him. We are an attacking team and will always be susceptible to getting caught out, but whilst we are scoring and playing some great footy I don't think it is overly concerning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Ok. Then again, I hate having to talk about one particular player's game out of context with the rest of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MINIBARCELONASAINT Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Harding is a lot better. Harding doesn't look like a pigeon. Harding looks better clean shaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Fox needs to work on the defensive element of his game. More worrying was Cork at RB. Both Forest goals came from (superb) crosses from their left. Cork was AWOL which meant Jose had to cover, leaving KD very exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Sorry but for me Fox was caught out far too many times and seemed poor with his passing. But i will reserve judement because its still early days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Fox needs to work on the defensive element of his game. More worrying was Cork at RB. Both Forest goals came from (superb) crosses from their left. Cork was AWOL which meant Jose had to cover, leaving KD very exposed. I thought they came from their left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Not his best game but I don't suppose he'll be like that every game. Cork at RB was more of a worry but at least we got away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 I thought they came from their left? They did, the side Cork is on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Bald_Si Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 They did, the side Cork is on. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 They did, the side Cork is on. A yes. Couple beers too many! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN MY DAY Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Have to say i was disappointed, he has to get better defensively other wise he will struggle to keep his place. I didnt like the team today but i wasnt aware till tonight that Dan, Fraser and Butterfield were all carrying knocks. A wins a win and McClaren flipping out in our technical area and Aitkin covering his laugh really did cap the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 10 September, 2011 Author Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Not his best game but I don't suppose he'll be like that every game. Cork at RB was more of a worry but at least we got away with it. Well Cork was playing out of postion so I can't fualt him to much (our midifeild looked slighty poorer without him too). I just thought Fox didn't look great in his chosen postion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Hypo = lightweight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 NA advised in his post match interview that Cork was in because Richardson was injured against Swindon. Both goals came from down his flank from balls sent behind him. I thought Fox was very good but was obviously under instruction to shuffle over as Forest continually exploited their left. One problem I saw was the lack of cover for both as Guly and Lallana seemed to drift either side or into the middle. I assume all this is NA instruction and therefore I have no problem with it. Cracking game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 10 September, 2011 Author Share Posted 10 September, 2011 NA advised in his post match interview that Cork was in because Richardson was injured against Swindon. Both goals came from down his flank from balls sent behind him. I thought Fox was very good but was obviously under instruction to shuffle over as Forest continually exploited their left. One problem I saw was the lack of cover for both as Guly and Lallana seemed to drift either side or into the middle. I assume all this is NA instruction and therefore I have no problem with it. Cracking game. Yep. Which means the full backs have to be right on the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefuriousb Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Fox needs to work on the defensive element of his game. More worrying was Cork at RB. Both Forest goals came from (superb) crosses from their left. Cork was AWOL which meant Jose had to cover, leaving KD very exposed. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 He is exactly what Burnley fans said he was. Good going forward in an attacking sense, a terrific delivery and set piece taker - but suspect defensively, often getting caught out of position. Let Nige and co work their magic on him and I'm sure he can be a much more effective defensive full back, but on today's showing he looks more of a left midfielder. Thats pretty much it ! He was often caught a long long way away from the winger he was supposed to be marking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbojones10 Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 thought he was poor, all our problems came from our wing backs being too narrow or out of postion, cork must never play rb for us again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 So having finally seen Danny fox play 90mins in his favoured postion what are peoples thoughts Not as I good as I was expecting if I'm honest. In fairness to Danny his price tag meant I was expecting something special and I got pretty average. The way we play at the moment does leave the full backs rather exposed TBF. However they're we're several times when I expected the forest player coming down our left to be challenged and our LB didn't seem to be anywhere near him. His passing was a pretty wayward, specially early on, but I put that down to nerves. He didn't seem to get foward to support Adam that well either. At one point Adam was hammering forward and I looked for Fox to be overlapping him the way Harding does to see Fox heading back into our half. Not writing him off after one match, its going to take time to forge a relationship like Lallana and Harding have (they've had two season to get to know each others game) and some of his crossing/free kicks we're pretty good, including setting up Lambos third. This! very unimaginative, **** poor passing, too many long balls and caught flat and way out of position far too often so - Derbyshire gave him the run-around and more or less was responsible for both their goals. Harding is better than this by miles. I', tempted to say another graet signing by our scouting team in the footsteps of N'Guessan, Forte, Stephens. They sure know how to pick 'em! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Good going forward in an attacking sense, a terrific delivery and set piece taker - but suspect defensively, often getting caught out of position. Sounds like Harding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 NA advised in his post match interview that Cork was in because Richardson was injured against Swindon. Both goals came from down his flank from balls sent behind him. I thought Fox was very good but was obviously under instruction to shuffle over as Forest continually exploited their left. One problem I saw was the lack of cover for both as Guly and Lallana seemed to drift either side or into the middle. I assume all this is NA instruction and therefore I have no problem with it. Cracking game. Agreed, also noticed that NA changed things when he took Guly off - Hammond went right and Chaplow left and both full backs got better cover and looked better. I think we are going to get caught out at home if we make games 2 open for 90 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 His first full league game against one of the most creative AND physical attacking line ups in the league. He did alright. I'm sure he'll do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 This! very unimaginative, **** poor passing, too many long balls and caught flat and way out of position far too often so - Derbyshire gave him the run-around and more or less was responsible for both their goals. Harding is better than this by miles. I', tempted to say another graet signing by our scouting team in the footsteps of N'Guessan, Forte, Stephens. They sure know how to pick 'em! What a surprise. Charlie Wayman comes out with a negative comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 10 September, 2011 Author Share Posted 10 September, 2011 His first full league game against one of the most creative AND physical attacking line ups in the league. He did alright. I'm sure he'll do better. Me thinks you're giving forest way to much credit......... they're two goals wouldn't have looked out of place in my sons under 11 tyro league games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Wasn't there, so take this with a pinch of salt. Sounds like a few players had difficult games today. Regardless of what Saints fans think of Fox after his first full game, he was voted the league's best left-back last year. Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Fox's technique and composure on the ball is a step up from Harding or Dickson, no question of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnboro Saint Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Fox was shocking today, no question about it! He saved himself slightly by the cracking free kick to set up Lamberts third, but having said that, he gave them far too much space down the wing (enough for a couple of buses to get through), never closed them down, let them run onto him without even putting in a challenge. I left the game today delighted with the win and feel we were lucky to be honest...but i felt we missed Harding badly. Fox needs to improve, big time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 11 September, 2011 Share Posted 11 September, 2011 Great delivery for the winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StDunko Posted 11 September, 2011 Share Posted 11 September, 2011 Fox and Cork were our weakest players. For some reason they seemed to both be playing 10 yards in from the touch line giving the forest wingers room to beat them done the outside. I hope Harding and Richardson (or Butterfield) are back for the Brum game. I want Cork back in CM too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSaint75 Posted 11 September, 2011 Share Posted 11 September, 2011 Fox is definitely more comfortable on the ball than Harding but did get caught out of position quite a lot, maybe Burnley used to play with more cover than our wingers provide, hopefully just a case of getting used to our style and set-up, it was his first full game so we shouldn't be too judgemental just yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 11 September, 2011 Share Posted 11 September, 2011 Fox and Cork were our weakest players. For some reason they seemed to both be playing 10 yards in from the touch line giving the forest wingers room to beat them done the outside. I hope Harding and Richardson (or Butterfield) are back for the Brum game. I want Cork back in CM too. You always coach full backs to show the winger the outside,giving the central players time to get back, so no probs with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 11 September, 2011 Share Posted 11 September, 2011 This! very unimaginative, **** poor passing, too many long balls and caught flat and way out of position far too often so - Derbyshire gave him the run-around and more or less was responsible for both their goals. Harding is better than this by miles. I', tempted to say another graet signing by our scouting team in the footsteps of N'Guessan, Forte, Stephens. They sure know how to pick 'em! Apart from the fact that the goals came from the right full back position where Cork was playing. Still, you've always been a stupid c***. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 11 September, 2011 Share Posted 11 September, 2011 He really did look like a left midfielder and not a left back and there was plenty of space for Forest to exploit down that flank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 11 September, 2011 Share Posted 11 September, 2011 You always coach full backs to show the winger the outside,giving the central players time to get back, so no probs with that. This is correct....Fox is a quality full back who will be a star for us this season.. Very good for the Manager to have Fox and Harding for LB and Fox can play a very good game LM as well. Neither goal was the fault of Fox and his positioning is correct and not standing alongside the wing man as some of our football experts suggest. Cork is very useful to have as cover for RB and CB but his best positions are in our centre midfield with Captain Hammond. Morgan Spiderman not at the races again......He still has a lot to learn from Cork , Hammond and Chaplow...... Would like to see De Ridder starting on the right side of mid field but again selection dilema for NA with such a good squad formed...and a couyple of injured players to come back...at least two youngsters pushing through this season and maybe a loan to come in... Very well done to our Rikeeee Lambert as usual always top notch and a legend.. Jos Hooiveld did a good job and will get better....Always thought Dan Seaborne was improving all the time and hopefully he will be back to push Jos , AM and RH for a place in the future.. Well done Saints and well done Nigel.... WIFM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 11 September, 2011 Share Posted 11 September, 2011 Out of position often and wasnt massively impressed however ridiculous for people to say prefer Harding on basis of one game. These things take time especially defensive co-ordination. Same with Jos. Idiots jumping in to judge so soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 11 September, 2011 Share Posted 11 September, 2011 He is largely as good as Harding IMO and has better distribution, but come on guys - his first start...he's been here '5 minutes' versus the rest of the squad being together for 2 seasons. Give the guy a break! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 11 September, 2011 Share Posted 11 September, 2011 You always coach full backs to show the winger the outside,giving the central players time to get back, so no probs with that. When you play an attacking game as we do, the fullbacks are always going to be exposed in some area. Just imagine the uproar if the attacker had been shown the inside, rather than the outside? This is the way Adkins has decided to play so we just have to accept the problems with the wonderful football provided. Some players were not on the boil today but that does not mean they won't do a job for us in the future as we have seen many times before. Special praise has to go to Ricky, who was our centre forward on the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splurty Posted 11 September, 2011 Share Posted 11 September, 2011 If ever the phrase "mixed bag " should apply springs to mind ,**** poor marking for goal one ie loads of time to get goal side of his man and just stood there .But he has a good left foot from set pieces ,although he should defend first .I personally feel Ryan Dickson has more about him than both Harding and fox ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 11 September, 2011 Share Posted 11 September, 2011 Neither goal was the fault of Fox and his positioning is correct and not standing alongside the wing man as some of our football experts suggest. He was at fault for the first goal (although he wasn't the only one)as the man who put it in the net was his man. I did though feel that his seeming out of position wa largely down to the system we were playing leaving him vulnerable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 11 September, 2011 Share Posted 11 September, 2011 He was at fault for the first goal (although he wasn't the only one)as the man who put it in the net was his man. I did though feel that his seeming out of position wa largely down to the system we were playing leaving him vulnerable. Indeed, easy to blame Cork for allowing the ball in, but in reality a bloke was allowed to amble into our box, pitch a tent, fill his billy can with beans, brew a cuppa, read the Sporting Life and then tap the ball in. Where our other defenders were at this time has been handed over to Poirot to investigate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 11 September, 2011 Share Posted 11 September, 2011 Thought Fox was excellent. Don't get the idea of playing Cock at right back, along with Lallana I think he's been our most influential player so far playing in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 11 September, 2011 Share Posted 11 September, 2011 Thought Fox was excellent. Don't get the idea of playing Cock at right back, along with Lallana I think he's been our most influential player so far playing in the middle. Who would you have played there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 11 September, 2011 Share Posted 11 September, 2011 Me thinks you're giving forest way to much credit......... they're two goals wouldn't have looked out of place in my sons under 11 tyro league games. I agree about their goals, but with a frontline of Derbyshire and Miller and then support from players like Reid, Greening, Majewski and Cohen, there are few sides with a more creative line up IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Man Do Posted 11 September, 2011 Share Posted 11 September, 2011 Wasn't there, so take this with a pinch of salt. Sounds like a few players had difficult games today. Regardless of what Saints fans think of Fox after his first full game, he was voted the league's best left-back last year.Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing why. Hate to be all Matt Le Rainmain but he wasn't voted the leagues best left back. Left his man both times for goals yesterday. I thought he was average going forward and didn't work well with either wide player in the same way Dan Harding does. Looks to have a decent cross on him and hopefully he can get further up the picth than wanging in balls from 30yrds out. Defensively I am hoping for a massive improvement. Played too narrowly leaving the wingers acres of space to run into. Seems to panic alot yesterday in the same way Dickson does. Can only get better really however first full game in a crap back 4 so we shall see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgoose Posted 11 September, 2011 Share Posted 11 September, 2011 Thought you may be interested in this as regards the left back position: I saw a die-hard Swindon supporter today and he came up to me and before I could say anything said "Saints were way to strong for us the other night......apart from your left back who was awful, don't know what his name was, Saints played some awesome football at times." I must admit I didn't know who was playing left back that night so had to look it up and it was Dickson. I was relieved to find it wasn't Fox based on what some of you guys have been saying on here...... I'm sure Adkins and the coaching team believe they can make him into a top player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 11 September, 2011 Author Share Posted 11 September, 2011 Thought you may be interested in this as regards the left back position: I saw a die-hard Swindon supporter today and he came up to me and before I could say anything said "Saints were way to strong for us the other night......apart from your left back who was awful, don't know what his name was, Saints played some awesome football at times." I must admit I didn't know who was playing left back that night so had to look it up and it was Dickson. I was relieved to find it wasn't Fox based on what some of you guys have been saying on here...... I'm sure Adkins and the coaching team believe they can make him into a top player. It was Harding at LB (wasn't it?) who was poor that night, though has generally been good this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 11 September, 2011 Share Posted 11 September, 2011 Part of the trouble was our set up. Fox was being dragged inside and a lot of their best play down his side came from Gunter (the lb) who impressed me pushing on with purpose into a big space. I don't know whether Lallana let him go or what it was, but hard for a fb to defend against someone running from deep (Bridge or Bale anyone?) Overall I thought he was okay and will get better. A tough start in a reshuffled back four 7/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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