Jos the Boss

[Colinjb]

Funny how different opinions are from people who watch the same game.

 

Football is a game of opinions. It's why it's so wonderful.

[hypochondriac]

Football is a game of opinions. It's why it's so wonderful.

 

Obviously, but it's rare that a player divides opinion so much. Normally there is some sort of consensus about a players ability.

[Wes Tender]

Obviously, but it's rare that a player divides opinion so much. Normally there is some sort of consensus about a players ability.

 

Is it rare? We seem to have divided opinions quite often on this forum, especially with players who have only been here five minutes. Heck, we even do it with players before they have even arrived here.

 

Put me in the camp with those who say that he is improving, as one would expect with a player beginning to develop an understanding with his team mates, which does take time.

[mitch01]

Jos looked good, hopefully another astute Adkins signing.

[shurlock]

Funny how different opinions are from people who watch the same game.

 

Do they differ or are you just looking for trouble? From what I've read, with the exception of um pahars and one or two others (and they're perfectly entitled to their opinions), the vast majority of posters thought he had a decent game.

 

There's no real division - except that you ignore these posts and choose instead to respond to/endorse the one or two slightly critical ones.

 

Why? Are they just more conducive to your slanted view of the club and desire deep down to justify why you feel the club f**ked up in its transfer dealings and panic bought a Celtic reject that's invariably doomed to fail here. Because that's what it looks like when you are selective with opinions/feedback and you look a right c*ck for doing so.

[sidthesquid]

I would say he did more than alright yesterday, and happy on the ball, too, so he can play 'our' way. Looked very comfortable with Jose.

[hypochondriac]

Do they differ or are you just looking for trouble? From what I've read, with the exception of um pahars and one or two others (and they're perfectly entitled to their opinions), the vast majority of posters thought he had a decent game.

 

There's no real division - except that you ignore these posts and choose instead to respond to/endorse the one or two slightly critical ones.

 

Why? Are they just more conducive to your slanted view of the club and desire deep down to justify why you feel the club f**ked up in its transfer dealings and panic bought a Celtic reject that's invariably doomed to fail here. Because that's what it looks like when you are selective with opinions/feedback and you look a right c*ck for doing so.

 

What tosh. I presume you missed my FIRST response after today's game, but then that wouldn't fit with your agenda and you read into things what you want. There was no selective opinions or feedback. I responded to um pahars' post because I had received a text which said similar. Besides, his post wasn't overly critical but it wasn't the ringing endorsement that some were giving him. Personally I prefer this approach anyway because we aren't bigging someone up too early and if he does show improvement every game (even though it's been just two games, that does seem the case so far) then it will be more of a pleasant surprise. Your incorrect assumptions without reading all of

My responses make you look pretty foolish.

[hypochondriac]

I would say he did more than alright yesterday, and happy on the ball, too, so he can play 'our' way. Looked very comfortable with Jose.

 

That's good to hear. I think what will be most interesting is seeing what his strengths are compared to seaborne who has his own deficiencies. I wonder who will be the best fit for the team in the long term (if we do sign him).

[shurlock]

What tosh. I presume you missed my FIRST response after today's game, but then that wouldn't fit with your agenda and you read into things what you want. There was no selective opinions or feedback. I responded to um pahars' post because I had received a text which said similar. Besides, his post wasn't overly critical but it wasn't the ringing endorsement that some were giving him. Personally I prefer this approach anyway because we aren't bigging someone up too early and if he does show improvement every game (even though it's been just two games, that does seem the case so far) then it will be more of a pleasant surprise. Your incorrect assumptions without reading all of

My responses make you look pretty foolish.

 

You said its rare a player divides opinion so much - that there's no consensus about his ability. I don't see much evidence of that here after yesterday's game. That's the conclusion you have reached after asking quite legitimately how he did, no?

[hypochondriac]

You said its rare a player divides opinion so much - that there's no consensus about his ability. I don't see much evidence of that here after yesterday's game. That's the conclusion you have reached after asking quite legitimately how he did, no?

 

 

'Not enough of a performance from the Hoover to rave about' from upandaway

 

'first game i have been to this year anud thought he was our worst player not impressed at all still, its all about opinions' from redondo saint

 

'I thought he looked OK today, but anyway he played miles better than he did against forest!' from colehillsaint

 

'Still not convinced be interesting to see how he deals under pressure in an away fixture' from chip

 

'Better today. Still looks like Bambi on ice at times (but I'm willing to concede the weather probably played a part today). Still not as dominant in the air as I would like (but I think i've been spoilt be two seasons of the man moutain that is Jaidi)' from doddisalegend

 

'He looked "better, but" would be my response. The back four looked tighter, but still not infallible, but then again we had a mixed bunch playing against Forest last week. He looked better, but still not convinced he's what we needed. Lost the ball completely at one point in the second half and then eventually realised it was behind him, gave away the silly free kick they scored form and his distribution needs working on. Against that he was a bit of a lump when we needed one and got some good challenges in.' from um pahars

 

All comments which suggest an improved performance but still some overall concerns there (much like the forest game where there were some good points but also some moments of concern too.) Compare these comments to some of the others and how can you not say there is a divide of opinion? How can you say you can't see the evidence when it is right there?

[benjii]

He looked very assured again yesterday. Won plenty of headers. Good first touch. Decent passing. Decent positioning.

 

Not sure what more people expect? Ferdinand, Sammer, Beckenbauer, Moore?

[hypochondriac]

He looked very assured again yesterday. Won plenty of headers. Good first touch. Decent passing. Decent positioning.

 

Not sure what more people expect? Ferdinand, Sammer, Beckenbauer, Moore?

 

I imagine some people have different expectations to others. For me, it was just the uncertainty and nervousness at the Forest game that was a slight concern, though that can be entirely explained by the fact that he lacked fitness and it was his first game. Whilst it sounds good that he has improved since then, bambi on ice comments are a bit of a concern as is the fact that we have little backup with Seaborne out. I would hope we would get someone in on loan in case either CB get injured.

[a1ex2001]

What tosh. I presume you missed my FIRST response after today's game, but then that wouldn't fit with your agenda and you read into things what you want. There was no selective opinions or feedback. I responded to um pahars' post because I had received a text which said similar. Besides, his post wasn't overly critical but it wasn't the ringing endorsement that some were giving him. Personally I prefer this approach anyway because we aren't bigging someone up too early and if he does show improvement every game (even though it's been just two games, that does seem the case so far) then it will be more of a pleasant surprise. Your incorrect assumptions without reading all of

My responses make you look pretty foolish.

 

His general point is right though, most posters seem to have taken a balanced view point and are saying that he looks ok and has already improved from his debut, I've not really seen one 'ringing endorsement' as you put it. There are then one or two posters thatchoose to pick up on the negatives in his performance and judge based on those alone, for example someone points out that he completely lost track of where the ball was ONCE during the game like this is some terrible crime happens to everyone from time to time especially a centre half wh has hardly played in 12 months. If it happens regularly it's an issue once it's not worth comenting on.

[hypochondriac]

His general point is right though, most posters seem to have taken a balanced view point and are saying that he looks ok and has already improved from his debut, I've not really seen one 'ringing endorsement' as you put it. There are then one or two posters thatchoose to pick up on the negatives in his performance and judge based on those alone, for example someone points out that he completely lost track of where the ball was ONCE during the game like this is some terrible crime happens to everyone from time to time especially a centre half wh has hardly played in 12 months. If it happens regularly it's an issue once it's not worth comenting on.

 

So why is a posters view expressing concern about aspects of a performance any less valid than a positive one? Is it not equally possible that certain posters are picking up the positives in his performance and judging him on those alone? That's the thing about opinions, it's hard to know who is being even handed and who is being overly lenient or overly harsh. That's why I responded to Steve because generally he's been a pretty even handed chap over the years. I wasn't at the game so I bow to the greater knowledge to those who were, but to pretend that at the very least it is dividing opinion is simply untrue as I showed above.

 

Jos impressed me today. Mobile and good in the air, likes to play out from the back too.

 

It's early days but if he carries on playing like he did today I would sign him up, he and Fonte look solid.

 

That comment is a pretty ringing endorsement. Absolutely nothing wrong with that of course and that opinion is just as valid as others, but I do think that comments like that contrast with quite a few of the other opinions after yesterdays game. Fair comment?

Edited 19 September, 2011 by hypochondriac

[Toomer]

The lad just got on with his game yesterday, nothing outstanding just did the simple things correctly and had a steady game, can't ask anymore from the lad.

[shurlock]

'Not enough of a performance from the Hoover to rave about' from upandaway

 

'first game i have been to this year anud thought he was our worst player not impressed at all still, its all about opinions' from redondo saint

 

'I thought he looked OK today, but anyway he played miles better than he did against forest!' from colehillsaint

 

'Still not convinced be interesting to see how he deals under pressure in an away fixture' from chip

 

'Better today. Still looks like Bambi on ice at times (but I'm willing to concede the weather probably played a part today). Still not as dominant in the air as I would like (but I think i've been spoilt be two seasons of the man moutain that is Jaidi)' from doddisalegend

 

'He looked "better, but" would be my response. The back four looked tighter, but still not infallible, but then again we had a mixed bunch playing against Forest last week. He looked better, but still not convinced he's what we needed. Lost the ball completely at one point in the second half and then eventually realised it was behind him, gave away the silly free kick they scored form and his distribution needs working on. Against that he was a bit of a lump when we needed one and got some good challenges in.' from um pahars

 

All comments which suggest an improved performance but still some overall concerns there (much like the forest game where there were some good points but also some moments of concern too.) Compare these comments to some of the others and how can you not say there is a divide of opinion? How can you say you can't see the evidence when it is right there?

 

As you say, those comments suggest an improvement on Forest (and he wasn't the worst defender against Forest) while acknowledging that there's room to get better. Besides one or two comments, they're hardly unconditionally negative. Some of the posters think he will get better; others question less his ability than whether he's what we need from a CB (unlike some, I don't think we need another carbon copy of Jaidi but that's just my opinion).

 

If those are the extent of the concerns and there are more comments, including Solent that thought he had a decent, steady game - indeed, he got more MOTM votes than Fonte, I suggest opinion isn't particularly divided. Nobody has said he has set the world alight; and clearly its early days and the big test will be on the road. But for now he's done more than OK and I don't know what more can be expected.

 

Btw, another of our rumoured targets, Ridgewell, had a shocking game yesterday.

[saint.tom.clancy]

Thought he played well yesterday, few hiccups but nothing worth mentioning. Looked fairly solid and i'm more than comfortable with him keeping his place.

[Junior Mullet]

He played well yesterday. Put his head in where it hurts and looked solid and assured. I think he is exactly what we need in this division. The Brum defenders on the otherhand looked like Sunday League players.

 

The thing is that most teams in this division will have some good players going forward and guess what, defenders will not always come out on top but that doesnt mean they are bad.

 

Very happy with Jos so far.

 

PS. It is sad having to scroll through a whole lot of self-obsessed irrelevant bickering posts to actually see what others thought of his performance.

[saints_is_the_south]

Didn't like the look of him against Forest but he was much better yesterday, had King in his back pocket all afternoon I felt.

[Wes Tender]

If those are the extent of the concerns and there are more comments, including Solent that thought he had a decent, steady game - indeed, he got more MOTM votes than Fonte, I suggest opinion isn't particularly divided. Nobody has said he has set the world alight; and clearly its early days and the big test will be on the road. But for now he's done more than OK and I don't know what more can be expected.

 

 

Quite. Like me, you probably take issue with this statement:-

Hypochondriac: Obviously, but it's rare that a player divides opinion so much. Normally there is some sort of consensus about a players ability.

 

This forum is littered with diverse divided opinions about several players, but in the case of Jos, some had even made up their minds about him based on the opinions of forum members of his former club.

 

Additionally, like you, I question the assertion that there has not been some sort of consensus about this player's ability.

 

Perhaps the definition would be helpful to Hypo:-

 

Definition

a generally accepted opinion or decision among a group of people

The general consensus in the office is that he's useless at his job.

Could we reach a consensus on this matter? Let's take a vote.

 

Looking back over the thread, I'd say that the majority of posters had reached a general consensus in their opinion, mostly along the lines of he's getting better, or otherwise let's wait and see.

[Prince Jazzbo]

Unfortunately I think Jos is going to be the scapegoat for lack of transfer activity on deadline day.

 

I actually thought that apart from one or two minor errors and a missed timed tackle he did ok yesterday.

[West End Saint]

I was not convinced 2nd half V Forest but to be fair that was his 1st game this season he was much better yesterday I thought he had a decent game looks good on the ball & challenged well for the ball I am not saying he is the long term partner for Fonte but he will do a good job & is better than we currently have available.

 

A centre back partnership takes a bit of time he & Fonte did well yesterday & it was only his 2nd game he can play a bit not some lump it merchant I am quite happy with him for the time being I hope he turns out to be good enough to offer a long term contract we will see

[hypochondriac]

Quite. Like me, you probably take issue with this statement:-

 

 

This forum is littered with diverse divided opinions about several players, but in the case of Jos, some had even made up their minds about him based on the opinions of forum members of his former club.

 

No they didn't. It would suit you if people had made their mind up based on forum members of a previous club because then you can dismiss other people's opinions. I must have said it about seven or eight times, no one made their mind up the ability of Jos before he played for us. No one.

 

Additionally, like you, I question the assertion that there has not been some sort of consensus about this player's ability.

 

 

Perhaps the definition would be helpful to Hypo:-

 

Definition

a generally accepted opinion or decision among a group of people

The general consensus in the office is that he's useless at his job.

Could we reach a consensus on this matter? Let's take a vote.

 

Looking back over the thread, I'd say that the majority of posters had reached a general consensus in their opinion, mostly along the lines of he's getting better, or otherwise let's wait and see.

 

 

I am fully aware of what a consensus is, thanks for the patronising reply. Looking at the thread, I see some saying that he has improved but is still not of the quality we are looking for, some who think he has been solid so far and some that he is exactly what we need and that we should sign him if he continues the standard he has set so far. I can see there is a consensus that he had improved from the Forest game but otherwise I see a number of differing opinions. I don't see a 'generally accepted opinion' as to his ability and whether he is what we need so far. Obviously that is entirely understandable after just two games but I think the generally accepted opinion of the likes of Lallana and Cork is that they have been great this season? That is what I would call a consensus.

[hypochondriac]

I was not convinced 2nd half V Forest but to be fair that was his 1st game this season he was much better yesterday I thought he had a decent game looks good on the ball & challenged well for the ball I am not saying he is the long term partner for Fonte but he will do a good job & is better than we currently have available.

 

A centre back partnership takes a bit of time he & Fonte did well yesterday & it was only his 2nd game he can play a bit not some lump it merchant I am quite happy with him for the time being I hope he turns out to be good enough to offer a long term contract we will see

 

I think everyone does.

[Toadhall Saint]

Thought he did well (a couple of minor errors but hey they all do).

[Wes Tender]

I am fully aware of what a consensus is, thanks for the patronising reply. Looking at the thread, I see some saying that he has improved but is still not of the quality we are looking for, some who think he has been solid so far and some that he is exactly what we need and that we should sign him if he continues the standard he has set so far. I can see there is a consensus that he had improved from the Forest game but otherwise I see a number of differing opinions. I don't see a 'generally accepted opinion' as to his ability and whether he is what we need so far. Obviously that is entirely understandable after just two games but I think the generally accepted opinion of the likes of Lallana and Cork is that they have been great this season? That is what I would call a consensus.

 

You say that nobody had made up their mind about Jos before he began playing for us, but that is untrue. Having reread the original thread, I am reminded that there was an opinion posted that he was not better than our fourth choice CB. Another that he was a desperation buy because we had missed other targets. Now, granted that looking at who posted those comments, they can be dismissed as the ramblings of WUMs, nevertheless, they are contrary to your assertions. I noted also that you yourself were underwhelmed by the signing before he had even kicked a ball for us.

 

Regarding whether there is a consensus about Jos, I would say that there is, but if you believe otherwise, then by all means comfort yourself that you must be right. The vast majority of posts say that he is either improving or doing alright. There are only a couple that argue otherwise, but if you wish to say that there are a number of differing opinions, you will not be persuaded otherwise.

 

But I still challenge your assertion that it is rare that a player has divided opinion so much. If I had more time available, I could easily debunk that claim by listed you dozens of other players on whom opinion is divided. I'm sure that others could furnish you with extensive lists if you wish to challenge it and stand by your claim.

[Liquidshokk]

After Saturday's game I get a sense that he might be quite the opinionated type.. At half time he was hounding the ref, to discuss a decision i assume and then at the end of the game he was last to leave the field as he was at the ref again. He then seemed to be chewing crosbys ear off as they left the field and Crosby looked like he was just letting him rant but not taking it in

 

As for playing, I thought he did well and came out from the back and got rid of the danger early with fonte for backup behind. I think he would/will make a good partnership with fonte..

[hypochondriac]

You say that nobody had made up their mind about Jos before he began playing for us, but that is untrue. Having reread the original thread, I am reminded that there was an opinion posted that he was not better than our fourth choice CB.

 

So one poster then. I apologise. One poster had already made up their mind.

 

Another that he was a desperation buy because we had missed other targets.

 

Which lets be honest, it does seem a little like that.

 

Now, granted that looking at who posted those comments, they can be dismissed as the ramblings of WUMs, nevertheless, they are contrary to your assertions. I noted also that you yourself were underwhelmed by the signing before he had even kicked a ball for us.

 

I made no judgement about his ability to play for saints before he had played for us. I offered an initial reaction, the same as I and everyone else does with every single player who signs for saints.

 

Regarding whether there is a consensus about Jos, I would say that there is, but if you believe otherwise, then by all means comfort yourself that you must be right. The vast majority of posts say that he is either improving or doing alright. There are only a couple that argue otherwise, but if you wish to say that there are a number of differing opinions, you will not be persuaded otherwise.

 

Similarly, you are entitled to believe you must be right if it comforts you. I agree, many say he has improved, but that doesn't necessarily means that he is good enough, though of course we hope he is. At least six examples on this thread of posters remaining unsure if he is what we need or saying there are some weaknesses there which contrasts quite a lot with some of the other opinions on here. There is a consensus that he is improving but clearly there are a number of opinions expressed by posters on this thread since yesterday and more than just a couple. Clearly.

 

But I still challenge your assertion that it is rare that a player has divided opinion so much. If I had more time available, I could easily debunk that claim by listed you dozens of other players on whom opinion is divided. I'm sure that others could furnish you with extensive lists if you wish to challenge it and stand by your claim.

 

I think that in general players divide opinion but that with recent signings, there has been a majority of opinion one way or the other. Dividing opinion isn't necessarily a negative thing, but it suggests possibly that different fans look for different strengths in a cb.

[Wes Tender]

I think that in general players divide opinion but that with recent signings, there has been a majority of opinion one way or the other. Dividing opinion isn't necessarily a negative thing, but it suggests possibly that different fans look for different strengths in a cb.

 

So you stand by your assertion that it is rarely that opinion is so divided on a player? And now you're trying to qualify it by narrowing it down to recent signings. That wasn't what you said.

[derry]

Some people are missing the point with Hooiveld, the lad is getting to know the team so needs a little time, however he is a good footballer, that has struck up a 'partnership' with Fonte who as a result had his best and most confident game this season. Centrebacks come in pairs and this looks like a pairing that can become dominant and the bedrock we need.

 

As for the Davis short passing, he is trying his best to pass out, but it is easy to see why managers had him just kicking long. He is not a natural short passing goalkeeper because those that are, already know where they are going to pass the ball almost before it is in their hands. It is the time taken by Davis to make his mind up who to pass to, allowing the potential recipients to be closed down and then have to pass it back to him because of the pressure. Some of the passes he makes short really only drop the recipient in the mire. Eventually we will have to replace him if we are going to play out from the back, the more the opposition see of him, the tighter it will get for our back players to receive the ball, as they will plan to pressure us when Davis has the ball. He will inevitably kick it long more often.

[Minsk]

It seems to me that the majority think Jos is the boss; with a minority believing he is not up to the grade.

 

It certainly sounded like not only himself who had a decent game yesterday but Fonte also did. This was very pleasing after the previous three matches, as Fonte had made a number of mistakes in them.

 

Here's hoping Jos and Jose become our next Killer and Claus.

[hypochondriac]

Just one mistake today although unfortunately a costly one. According to the radio though he was doing well. He's impressed me so far from what I have seen and heard but maybe we saw a little glimpse of why Celtic fans didn't like him. Don't mind him being a little error prone at times if he can continue to be solid as often as possible.

[S-Clarke]

Missed the commentary of their 2nd, so have no idea what he did wrong. But it can happen to the best of players, don't think he's done much else wrong since he's been with us.

[Avenue Saint]

Just one mistake today although unfortunately a costly one. According to the radio though he was doing well. He's impressed me so far from what I have seen and heard but maybe we saw a little glimpse of why Celtic fans didn't like him. Don't mind him being a little error prone at times if he can continue to be solid as often as possible.

 

 

You sound like a Celtic type of supporter too...

[hypochondriac]

Missed the commentary of their 2nd, so have no idea what he did wrong. But it can happen to the best of players, don't think he's done much else wrong since he's been with us.

 

Apparently a bad error. Hopefully it doesn't become a habit bust as you say no big errors before that. Fingers crossed!

[hypochondriac]

You sound like a Celtic type of supporter too...

 

Oh do grow up and comment sensibly.

[um pahars]

don't think he's done much else wrong since he's been with us.

 

Got done by J-Rod on Saturday for their goal (mind you Forte also got done just after).

 

If we're allowed to be critical, we have looked dodgy at the back from exposed full backs to Jos finding his feet and Fonte struggling amidst all this. Definitely our weak spot.

[hypochondriac]

Got done by J-Rod on Saturday for their goal (mind you Forte also got done just after).

 

If we're allowed to be critical, we have looked dodgy at the back from exposed full backs to Jos finding his feet and Fonte struggling amidst all this. Definitely our weak spot.

 

Yes Fonte has been shaky and Jos has been finding his feet. It's a shame we couldn't get him in sooner so he could get used to our style of play. I think it's only Richardson who I am currently comfortable with, I think CB is our weak spot personally.

[S-Clarke]

Got done by J-Rod on Saturday for their goal (mind you Forte also got done just after).

 

If we're allowed to be critical, we have looked dodgy at the back from exposed full backs to Jos finding his feet and Fonte struggling amidst all this. Definitely our weak spot.

 

Defensively we've not been as assured as last year, but that was always going to be the case as we step up. Some of the strikers we came up against in L1 were truly shocking and didn't really pose any threat. We're now coming up against international level players and it's a totally different ball game.

 

Alot of our problems this year have been caused from full back though, because we attack and score goals as we do...we do seem to get caught down the flanks on the break.

 

Get De Ridder in the team and get a bit of recovery pace on the right and I think that'll help us.

[um pahars]

Yes Fonte has been shaky and Jos has been finding his feet. It's a shame we couldn't get him in sooner so he could get used to our style of play. I think it's only Richardson who I am currently comfortable with, I think CB is our weak spot personally.

 

More than happy to be proved wrong, but don't think getting him in sooner would have made much of a difference as I think it's competence as opposed to settling in that might be the problem.

 

And that's being said in a chat down the pub giving your opinion way as opposed to publicly criticising and undermining a player.

[um pahars]

Defensively we've not been as assured as last year, but that was always going to be the case as we step up. Some of the strikers we came up against in L1 were truly shocking and didn't really pose any threat. We're now coming up against international level players and it's a totally different ball game.

 

Alot of our problems this year have been caused from full back though, because we attack and score goals as we do...we do seem to get caught down the flanks on the break.

 

Get De Ridder in the team and get a bit of recovery pace on the right and I think that'll help us.

 

Definitely agree with that in that it's not the ability of the full backs, more that they've not been given much protection at times.

[Legod Third Coming]

He gave the ball away for the goal but not the worst misplaced pass you will see. They still had quite a bit to do and did it well. He really should have thumped it upfield there though...

[Lazlo78]

joshooiveld20 jos hooiveld

My moment of indredible stupidity costed us the game!! #unbelievablygutted

[Saint for ever]

He seems pretty honest about it on twitter http://twitter.com/#!/joshooiveld20

[Saint Garrett]

On way back, just gave the ball away. It was bound to happen at some point it's been coming since the start of the season. After that we started hoofing it a bit more which seemed to be more comfortable with.

[Legod Third Coming]

joshooiveld20 jos hooiveld

My moment of indredible stupidity costed us the game!! #unbelievablygutted

 

Costed? And they say the Dutch speak perfect English... tsk.

[cellone]

He played well yesterday. Put his head in where it hurts and looked solid and assured. I think he is exactly what we need in this division. The Brum defenders on the otherhand looked like Sunday League players.

 

The thing is that most teams in this division will have some good players going forward and guess what, defenders will not always come out on top but that doesnt mean they are bad.

 

Very happy with Jos so far.

 

PS. It is sad having to scroll through a whole lot of self-obsessed irrelevant bickering posts to actually see what others thought of his performance.

 

Starting to wonder how to define this troll/wum/something decent and interesting to post/cybercelleb/valued observation/complete twaddle type poster myself, just for the record I blame Alpine for this trend. Alps You've got alot to answer for.

[Northant Saint]

Yes Fonte has been shaky and Jos has been finding his feet. It's a shame we couldn't get him in sooner so he could get used to our style of play. I think it's only Richardson who I am currently comfortable with, I think CB is our weak spot personally.

 

Interesting you should say that, because I wasn't amazingly impressed with Richardson against Burnley. In all fairness he did put in a cracking ball into Rickie which should have been converted, and is good going forward, but in a team which likes to pass it on the deck he seems the odd one out. Fox has the ability to keep play flowing, even if it means playing it back to a centre back. Richardson seems to panic on the ball and hoof it, or misplace a pass, breaking up the passage of play.

 

Very good defensively, but to me he doesn't have the passing qualities of an assured fullback.

[vin]

He was excellent tonight apart from that one costly error... the worst thing was that he wasn't even under any pressure - just got sloppy. Apart from that look very strong and covered the channels very well, including one excellent sliding challenge in the box.

[benjii]

He generally had a better game than Fonte.

 

Lambert, Schneiderlin and Chaplow are just as much to "blame" for any defeat for failing to convert good chances.

 

Hooiveld had a much better game than Lallana and Connolly who were both carp.