Jos the Boss

[1976_Child]

Thought he had a good debut.

 

Big, strong and physical. Will get better.

[Boris Karloff]

I thought he was fine. I liked the way he always wanted the ball and not too many passes went astray. I think he will be good against the bigger forwards in this division like Miller and Carlton Cole. I'm not so sure against the likes of Maynard and Earnshaw though.

[Ashley Grute]

He wasn't anywhere near as bad as some of the over-reactors on here- and Fonte was just as at fault for the first goal

[1976_Child]

He wasn't anywhere near as bad as some of the over-reactors on here- and Fonte was just as at fault for the first goal

 

exactly. They are just nob-heads who winge at anything.

[Scummer]

I thought he played well. Good presence, nice and strong. Will also give us something extra at the other end of the pitch as well. With Richardson to come in at right back, that defence will do a good job.

[doddisalegend]

He wasn't anywhere near as bad as some of the over-reactors on here- and Fonte was just as at fault for the first goal

 

Nor as good as some are trying to make out. Certainly not better than Seborne arguably worse than Araon Martin.

[hypochondriac]

Nor as good as some are trying to make out. Certainly not better than Seborne arguably worse than Araon Martin.

 

Agree with that.

[1976_Child]

Nor as good as some are trying to make out. Certainly not better than Seborne arguably worse than Araon Martin.

 

I think it is a tad unfair to judge, convict and execute a player based on one game and after he has been training with his new team mates for only a week.

 

Chances are come January he will be worshiped in the same breath as Fonte. Who knows? give him time.

[hypochondriac]

I think it is a tad unfair to judge, convict and execute a player based on one game and after he has been training with his new team mates for only a week.

 

Chances are come January he will be worshiped in the same breath as Fonte. Who knows? give him time.

 

Nobody is, they are simply giving their opinion based on his first game, same as people offered an opinion before his game based on his previous record and his old club's fans and the same as people will offer an opinion the next time he plays and the time after that.

 

Clearly an opinion of whether HCDAJFU will hold more weight after something like ten games, but absolutely nothing wrong with offering an initial opinion and then giving subsequent opinions after that.

[doddisalegend]

Eeeek bring back Jaidi (soon) having got used to a big CB who heads the ball the way Jaidi does (ie back into the oppos half) I was shocked how awful Jos the boss was from his size I expected him to be good in the air.

 

Got caught totally flat footed for both Forest goals (though Fontes lack of a challenge and kelvin's impression of a stone statue didn't help)

 

Looks good with a ball at his feet very calm when in loads of space under no pressure. Not a great start IMO. Having said that one match in a make shift back four is to early to write him off.

 

I think it is a tad unfair to judge, convict and execute a player based on one game and after he has been training with his new team mates for only a week.

 

Chances are come January he will be worshiped in the same breath as Fonte. Who knows? give him time.

 

Totally agree I'm not writing him off as I said in my post above. On the other hand there is no point trying to make out that he was great on his debut he wasn't. Plenty of time for him to come good. On todays showing though he isn't any better than what we have (good cover?)

[Super_Saint]

Interesting to see how Eurosport rated him.

 

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/championship/2011-2012/southampton-nottingham-forest-454705.html

 

Obviously thought he had a good debut with 7.1. Fox got 5.5 and Fonte 6.4

[Super_Saint]

Oops never mind, I just realised yahoo users vote.

[Minsk]

If he is no better then Seabourne then we should play DS, hes younger and has potential to develop into a better player and be a top championship defender.

 

Please tell me you're joking; or have you been on another planet this past week?

[St Chalet]

As long as it was a better debut that Alan 'Gordon' Bennett then I for one am happy.

[vin]

Thought he had a rather mixed debut. Certainly partly at fault for the second goal. Other than that thought he looked pretty composed on the ball, strong considering he was up against Miller and quite mobile. And to be fair to him making his debut in a makeshift defence isn't the best time to judge him.

[saint-ross]

to be fair the the guy - he was awful

shame i had hoped he was the CB we were all hoping for...

he was static, showed no pace and hardly won a header all afternoon

 

Well this is not true at all, he won more than his fair share of headers. Looked no worse than any of our back 4 today imo, no worse than fonte, who wasnt at his best today either.

[doddisalegend]

Well this is not true at all, he won more than his fair share of headers. Looked no worse than any of our back 4 today imo, no worse than fonte, who wasnt at his best today either.

 

Do they count if they go behind you or straight up in the air?

[View From The Top]

This. I thought Fonte was at fault for the first goal - Miller seemed to push it too far forwards initially, thought Jose could have slid in to knab the ball but completely missed it, miller squared it and Derbyshire slotted it away

 

He was.

[Gemmel]

What a load of mongs.

 

 

Watch the goals and ask yourselves ....Where was he????????????

 

 

He was awful

[st.sj]

I thought he was quite good. Looks like a proper central defender. The goals were as much to do with the midfield, also thought Cork looked uncomfortable at right back. Dont know how any one could say he had a poor game, not correct,

[Greenridge]

Do they count if they go behind you or straight up in the air?

 

In terms of 'winning the header'? Er yes.

[View From The Top]

What a load of mongs.

 

 

Watch the goals and ask yourselves ....Where was he????????????

 

 

He was awful

 

Hammond certainly ripped into him after the 2nd goal.

[hypochondriac]

In terms of 'winning the header'? Er yes.

 

But one that went behind him dropped to a Forest player which gave them a chance to score. Isn't the same as a powerful clearing header.

[Greenridge]

But one that went behind him dropped to a Forest player which gave them a chance to score. Isn't the same as a powerful clearing header.

 

Indeed but the query was regarding winning headers and I'm fairly sure the only definition is getting your bonce on the ball ahead of the opponent and not where it ends up.

[shirleysfc]

I think that is unfair. Cork was played out of position and I don't think he was better than Fonte at all tbh. In your world that means you will dismiss my opinion because he is a 'fan favourite.' In reality, Fonte was actually decent and I thought Jos was OK but dodgy at points.

 

In my world?? You patronising ***t! Cork didn't have a good game. He's played at RB for England U21 so he was hardly playing out of his comfort zone. From where I was sitting I thought Fonte and Cork could have done better with the goals and I thought Jos looked assured on his debut, if you don't fine. Football's a game of opinions, stop being such a cvnt when peole don't agree with you.

[Gemmel]

Indeed but the query was regarding winning headers and I'm fairly sure the only definition is getting your bonce on the ball ahead of the opponent and not where it ends up.

 

 

:lol::lol:

 

This forum is going down hill

[dellboypete]

For his first game he showed promise!

 

What I liked about him was that he seemed to work well with Fonte and he looks comfortable on the ball, also has a good first touch, control and can really pass a ball well. half decent traits for a CB.

 

I don't think you can put the blame solely on him for either goal. The back four were cut open with the speed of forest down our right side (corkie looked out of position for me) and especially for the first one, him and fonte were desperately slow in getting back to cover when the forest guy cut it across (same for the second as well).

 

For me he looks a half decent signing

 

Also it didn't help have 3/4 of a new back four playing today.

[Lighthouse]

I wasn't overly impressed by him, but then I'd say he was no worse than Fonte today. Prefer Martin based on today's showing, but they did have a tough job against a pair of very capable strikers (no, not McGoldrick). Both goals looked very similar from the Northam, ball coming in from our right and their player having enough space to drive a submarine. Fonte and Jos were nowhere.

 

More concerned with Fox TBH. All those £3 booking fees and we go and spend nearly £2m on a LB who, so far, looks no better than Dickson or Harding. Odd.

[hypochondriac]

In my world?? You patronising ***t! Cork didn't have a good game. He's played at RB for England U21 so he was hardly playing out of his comfort zone. From where I was sitting I thought Fonte and Cork could have done better with the goals and I thought Jos looked assured on his debut, if you don't fine. Football's a game of opinions, stop being such a cvnt when peole don't agree with you.

 

I don't think you understood my post. You are perfectly entitled to think that, but equally others are allowed to disagree with you without being accused of their opinion being false because they are a fans favourite. Not being patronising at all, I'm actually encouraging different opinions.

[Saint Thomas]

Got to say I disagree with op - he started well, but never seemed to track runners, so didn't do anything to stop the 2 goals, and let miller and others away several times with a poor turning speed and awareness. As well as heading backwards or straight up - probably a but rusty from not playing much, very much hope he improves, but he wasn't very good today.

[Junction 9]

There is no way he deserves a chance ahead of Martin, who has done nothing wrong IMO.

[hypochondriac]

I wasn't overly impressed by him, but then I'd say he was no worse than Fonte today. Prefer Martin based on today's showing, but they did have a tough job against a pair of very capable strikers (no, not McGoldrick). Both goals looked very similar from the Northam, ball coming in from our right and their player having enough space to drive a submarine. Fonte and Jos were nowhere.

 

More concerned with Fox TBH. All those £3 booking fees and we go and spend nearly £2m on a LB who, so far, looks no better than Dickson or Harding. Odd.

 

I think that is a fair comment TBH. Our transfer acquisitions under Adkins (Cork aside) are still something of a question mark.

[sammysaint]

Please tell me you're joking; or have you been on another planet this past week?

 

Well no reports have suggested he cant come back and play football and improve.

[hypochondriac]

Well no reports have suggested he cant come back and play football and improve.

 

I think the point was that currently we can't play Seaborne...

[Minsk]

Well no reports have suggested he cant come back and play football and improve.

 

I think the point was that currently we can't play Seaborne...

 

Exactly!

 

i very much doubt Seaborne will play again in 2011.

 

Jos is here on loan until january.

 

Your original post is completely senseless.

[rednrednredandwhite]

get well soon dan

[saints_is_the_south]

Didn't rate him at all, certainly no better than Seaborne or Martin imo.

[StDunko]

I felt that he did OK today. He certainly had a better game than Fox and Cork, who both played too narrow and got caught out on numerous occasions.

 

Although I do feel sorry for Martin who has impressed me each time I've seen him play, so I wouldn't have minded seeing him start in today's game.

[Dazza82]

Lets not forget that this is probably his first game of football this season, it is definately his first competitive game, i doubt he has had much of a pre season so its hardly fair to judge him on this performance which is also against a good Forest side.

 

Lets see how he fairs after another couple of games

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Didn't rate him at all, certainly no better than Seaborne or Martin imo.

 

This. Didn't look particularly assured but was his first game I suppose. Time will tell.

[eelpie]

read somewhere he was crap and kept heading it up in the air?

 

That was Hypo who incorrectly wrote that Forest dominated the entire second half:

 

"Originally Posted by hypochondriac

Mixed feelings with this win. Fantastic smash and grab against forest who dominated the entire second half "

 

Forest were strong and dominant for half an hour in the second half but Saints clawed back the initiative, despite strong

head winds which made accurate passing difficult at times. You should know by now that Hypo 's statements are prone to

unqualified exaggeration.

Too early to judge Jos and Fox considering that three of the back four were new. Incidently I thought that their first goal

was due to Cork playing too far forward, leaving our right flank exposed. We were caught out.

[ottery st mary]

Jos is good and will get even better for us and form a good solid CB pairing with Jose

 

 

WIFM

[whelk]

Fonte hasnt been the tower of strength so much this season. Seems like lots trying to blame others as it fits in with what the crowd say

[Big Ron fan]

I thought he played very well against difficult opponents in Miller and Derbyshire, particularly in view of how little football he has had recently. In contrast, both full-backs were surprisingly awful and the source of nearly all our problems. Get Cork back into centre-midfield asap. It was my first view of Fox and he seemed to be poor defensively and offer much less going forward than Harding, who may well be someone whose reputation grows in his absence, based on today.

[S-Clarke]

Fonte hasnt been the tower of strength so much this season. Seems like lots trying to blame others as it fits in with what the crowd say

 

I do agree with that, but Fonte was always going to be tested by going a level up. Without question he is a total cut above L1, but he struggles to dominate as much at this level, which you'd have expected tbh.

[corky morris]

I did not think he played well, but that was in the context of a poor defensive performance. Thought Fonte was at fault for goal no 1 & about 4 of them for no 2. Derbyshire also had a free header & Fox got skinned a couple of times. He also lacked a bit of pace, but the guy has played just 90 minutes so to make a decision about him is a little premature.

The first 3 or 4 times I saw Trotman I thought he was excellent - he now plays for Rochdale so what do I know??

Edited 11 September, 2011 by corky morris

[Dangerous Albert]

Thought he looked nervous-but it was his debut.

[Dazza82]

Thought he looked nervous-but it was his debut.

 

He looked nervous! And we didnt boo him!

 

Come on lads im disappointed!

[Jimmy Gabriel's Halo]

Definately too early to tell very much but I came away thinking it was a bit a curate's egg type of debut. McLaren did us a huge favour by taking off Miller who was a handful for the defence all afternoon. I felt a lot more comfortable about the outcome once he'd departed and McGoldrick came on who is much more of a lightweight and was more easily dealt with. Having said that Miller and Derbyshire will cause big problems for most other defences in this league so, overall, very pleased with the outcome.

[hypochondriac]

That was Hypo who incorrectly wrote that Forest dominated the entire second half:

 

"Originally Posted by hypochondriac

Mixed feelings with this win. Fantastic smash and grab against forest who dominated the entire second half "

 

Forest were strong and dominant for half an hour in the second half but Saints clawed back the initiative, despite strong

head winds which made accurate passing difficult at times. You should know by now that Hypo 's statements are prone to

unqualified exaggeration.

Too early to judge Jos and Fox considering that three of the back four were new. Incidently I thought that their first goal

was due to Cork playing too far forward, leaving our right flank exposed. We were caught out.

 

I'm perfectly entitled to an opinion. My comments were entirely fair and I called it as I saw it. Once again some posters on here are deciding what can and cannot be posted.