Saints 3 Forest 2 - Reaction

[View From The Top]

Can't find any mention of an injury to Miller. He certainly didn't hobble off or go down the tunnel for any treatment. Just a terrible terrible decision by the wally that IMO won the game for us.

 

He was deffo rubbing his hamstring in the centre circle a few minutes before he went off and spoke to the bench. I said this to Corky Morris, who I sit with, that he was doing it a few mins before McGoldrick was called back summons from his warm up routine down in the Itchen/Chapel corner.

 

Changed the game IMHO.

[Chez]

 

Changed the game IMHO.

totally. If he wasn't injured then Schteve wants sacking.

[Special K]

The game was played at a fair old pace and both teams seemed to blow themselves out after about 70 mins. The game was screaming out for someone with pace to come on up front and Adkins duly obliged with De Ridder, whose pace lead to the free kick which Lambert converted. I thought both teams were about equal, but we suffered with an unfamiliar back 4 which is only to be expected as two are new players, however when it counted they defended ok in the goalmouth scrambles. Fox seems to naturally play far too narrow but hopefully he can lose that with coaching. Forest are a decent team with good players, and i think our players will have to steel themselves for some tough old battles to come, particularly mid winter. Both Millwall and Forest have come here and really should have beaten us, but luck has (for once) been on our side. A brilliant result from a sometimes brilliant, sometimes fragile performance. It's going to be an exciting season.

[Depressed of Shirley]

Pathetic sarcasm about something you know to be a valid point.

 

Its that sort of post that drags this site down. Knowing someone has said something valid, but knocking it anyway.

 

Your post deserves the response it got. We changed three of the back four today, won the game, and have won five out of six in the league. Your point wasn't valid, and were you there or listening to the voice of doom on Saints player?

[um pahars]

The game was played at a fair old pace and both teams seemed to blow themselves out after about 70 mins.

 

I thought the same, in that some players looked really tired towards the end. It may have been the result fo a frantci game or I may just be seeing something that isn't there???

 

The new lad (Jos) has put on that twitter that his legs gave in and he needs more fitness (understandable given his role at Celtic), but I felt others looked heavy as well. We struggled to fill the box a couple of times towards the end and going the other way we sometimes sturggled to keep up with Forest's fast breaks.

 

Up and down the Sports Centre hills methinks.

[corky morris]

Great result, poor defensive performance. Whole of back 4 not great today. They were s h i t scared of Miller who has now joined a long list of players I love to hate. His moaning, slapping the pitch, pushing Fonte into Davis & disrespect for everyone on the pitch including his own players was embarrassing!

Take the 3 points & move on.................the bus, as one whilst we are in the building!!

[DJ_TOAST]

Great win ...just watching vid back with Claridge interview at end where he say's everyone in stadium thought it was a penalty lol yeh ok...from where I was sitting everyone thought he was diving

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbKNP9kNRAY

[paris]

Slightly off topic i know but how about this song for us ...

 

[Thedelldays]

Can't find any mention of an injury to Miller. He certainly didn't hobble off or go down the tunnel for any treatment. Just a terrible terrible decision by the wally that IMO won the game for us.

on solent they confirmed he came off as he feared a hammy

[Legod Third Coming]

Our whole defence looked suspect. Easy to blame Cork but he had less cover than Pamela Anderson on Baywatch!

 

A team should defend from the front and we didn't. Guly is a lovely languid player with a super touch, but I worked harder than him trying to get the last remnants of the bottle of mustard on my hot dog.

 

And towards the end no-one could get into the box when we attacked, so bringing on De Ridder was the right call. We looked a bit tired.

 

For my money, we need to tighten up that back five - still not enough chat from Kelvin - but better still KEEP ATTACKING. I don't give a monkey's if we conceded two goals a game, so long as we score five. And we can because our passing and movement in the final third is simply breathtaking at times.

 

So feck it, let's play like Brazil of the 70s. You can score if you can get the ball off us. But chances are we'll be three up then...

[jam]

Some links from The Football LEague Show:

 

Match (as the YouTube link above - no Adkins reaction): http://www.bbc.co.uk/i/b014sqy5/?t=17m58shttp://www.bbc.co.uk/i/b014sqy5/?t=17m58s

 

Claridge on Lambert: http://www.bbc.co.uk/i/b014sqy5/?t=24m43s

 

Apologies if posted and missed..

[miserableoldgit]

Just watched the match highlights on the Football League Show and that tw*t McLaren stated that when Derbyshire went down in the box, everybody in the stadium thought "penalty".

 

Well, actually, McLaren, they didn't. Your lot might well have crossed their fingers and hoped that a penalty would have been awarded, but everybody else in the stadium thought you cheating, diving bastard, Derbyshire. The referee was a damned sight closer to you and he called it right. Cheats.

 

 

 

Naturally, you're calling this that you should have got something more from the match because your job is on the line.

TBF the lino put his flag up straight away indicating that he thought it was a dive, so it was both officials. Were they both wrong Shteve??

[mulletsaint]

What a wierd post......this is the post match thread the idea is people give their impressions on the match both good and bad.

 

Why wierd? Try reading my reaction to Hypo's reply and maybe you'll see what I am getting at. Yep there are plenty of balanced opinions of what went on at the match, most by people who were there and not just listing in or watching the live text commentary on BBC or Sky. I agree with you about what this thread is about, unfortunately there are some who feel the need to post negatively without any basis in fact. They are the same faces that have been doing so for years, one of the reasons I post so irregularly these days.

 

As I said earlier we all know where our weakest area is. Injuries and the Seabourne incident have made things worse. It seems that we tried to address the problems during the transfer window which would indicate that NA also recognises where we need to strengthen. If we fail to put things right in January or through loans and we miss out on promotion as a result we'll all be sick as parrots I agree.

 

In the meantime I'll try to look at things logically. We would be level with Brighton and unbeaten if not for a referee error in the Leicester match, not a bad start in my book. In yesterday's match we won against a team who have been struggling to get results but who will probably be in the thick of the promotion shake-up come the end of the season (sound a bit like us last season?). We did so with a patched up back line including a player who has only just joined the club and obviously wasn't Nigel's first choice for the position. We ground out a result from a tough situation, a sign of mental toughness. From the sound of it Nigel saw what the problems were during the match and made changes which got us the win.

[Legod Third Coming]

Why wierd? Try reading my reaction to Hypo's reply and maybe you'll see what I am getting at. Yep there are plenty of balanced opinions of what went on at the match, most by people who were there and not just listing in or watching the live text commentary on BBC or Sky. I agree with you about what this thread is about, unfortunately there are some who feel the need to post negatively without any basis in fact. They are the same faces that have been doing so for years, one of the reasons I post so irregularly these days.

 

As I said earlier we all know where our weakest area is. Injuries and the Seabourne incident have made things worse. It seems that we tried to address the problems during the transfer window which would indicate that NA also recognises where we need to strengthen. If we fail to put things right in January or through loans and we miss out on promotion as a result we'll all be sick as parrots I agree.

 

In the meantime I'll try to look at things logically. We would be level with Brighton and unbeaten if not for a referee error in the Leicester match, not a bad start in my book. In yesterday's match we won against a team who have been struggling to get results but who will probably be in the thick of the promotion shake-up come the end of the season (sound a bit like us last season?). We did so with a patched up back line including a player who has only just joined the club and obviously wasn't Nigel's first choice for the position. We ground out a result from a tough situation, a sign of mental toughness. From the sound of it Nigel saw what the problems were during the match and made changes which got us the win.

 

Sensible analysis. A makshift back four were undone by a lack of understanding and, to be fair, some bloody good accurate passing from the opposition (contrary to what some on here believe, there is no law in football preventing the opposition from also playing well, whoever they are).

 

Cork was left without cover and Fox was too intent on going forward rather than doing his job. But you cannot fault the effort or industriousness of our team

 

Better, you cannot fault our confidence ON THE BALL. Many teams on finding themselves 1-0 up with five minutes of injury time would not have the composure or intelligence to do what we did. We kept hold of the ball superbly - every play from back to front - and that is the mark of a good team in the making.

[Webby]

My Forest supporting friend was at the game and is always honest said we could thank the match officials for that win. I listened on the radio and understand they had a good pen shout but what other contentious issues were there?

 

Have seen the goals now, I'd say Fox was at fault for the first. He let his man drift away from and behind him so he had no idea where he was.

[VectisSaint]

Connelly 5 Started brightly and his link up play with Rickie is great, but in the cold light of day he offered little threat other than the flick on for the goal. His lack of pace and power mean we miss out. He had a great chance to score but went near post, he is usually leathal in those situations. In the second half I thought he was totally ineffective. Should have been subbed long before he was. I am a big fan, I love how he works with Ricky, but I see room for improvement in that position.

Connolly was instrumental in both the first half goals, blocked shot for RL to get the rebound and great cross to Lallana who headed on for the other. Not sure what you think was a "flick on for the goal"? To give a 5 is ridiculous imho. RL has DC to thank for 2 out of 3 yesterday, quite unusual for DC not to score himself, I guess that was why he was so irate when he was subbed.

[LostBoys]

I think this is is great - why dont you make it a separate thread with suggested words

 

Whoops forget to add the original message - put it down to Stella Artois brain separation this morning

[LostBoys]

Slightly off topic i know but how about this song for us ...

 

 

I think this is is great - why dont you make it a separate thread with suggested words

[Thedelldays]

Slightly off topic i know but how about this song for us ...

 

 

would be great...only if the whole stadium was doing it like that....

[Thedelldays]

this would be better....terrace culture is still alive and kicking

[for_heaven's_Saint]

this would be better....terrace culture is still alive and kicking

 

Lol. Think I'd have to leave if we started doing that.

[Chez]

Connolly was instrumental in both the first half goals, blocked shot for RL to get the rebound and great cross to Lallana who headed on for the other. Not sure what you think was a "flick on for the goal"? To give a 5 is ridiculous imho. RL has DC to thank for 2 out of 3 yesterday, quite unusual for DC not to score himself, I guess that was why he was so irate when he was subbed.

The game is about opinions. You could look at it that he should have scored the first, but didn't and luckily Ricky knocked it in. Is that instrumental?

 

I have obviously mixed up Lallana and Connelly's roles for the second. I thought one crossed to the other. It matters not. He certainly helped set up that goal and acknowledged it, but I judge a players performance over the whole 90 minutes not one incident even a goal. IMO he just didn't do enough and tired quickly. I looked at his impact compared to Millers and he just did not cause the sort of problems that I'd like.

 

I give 5 as its the mid mark. Not good, not bad. Just average. Its just an opinion.

[Chez]

My Forest supporting friend was at the game and is always honest said we could thank the match officials for that win. I listened on the radio and understand they had a good pen shout but what other contentious issues were there?

 

none really. There was a pen shout in the first half, but it was a perfectly timed tackle by Fox. There was one free kick given to us for a non existent foul by McGoaldrought as he challenged for a header late on, and then there was of course the pen decision right in front of them. But it was a dive, it looked like a dive, and the two officials both thought it was a dive. There may well have been contact, but he dived and made it look like a dive, so I'm not sure why they think we have the match officials to thank. We won fair and square. Its was tough on them, but that's the way it goes sometimes.

[hypochondriac]

none really. There was a pen shout in the first half, but it was a perfectly timed tackle by Fox. There was one free kick given to us for a non existent foul by McGoaldrought as he challenged for a header late on, and then there was of course the pen decision right in front of them. But it was a dive, it looked like a dive, and the two officials both thought it was a dive. There may well have been contact, but he dived and made it look like a dive, so I'm not sure why they think we have the match officials to thank. We won fair and square. Its was tough on them, but that's the way it goes sometimes.

 

Hmm I think there were a few fifty fifties that went to us rather than them. If I were a forest fan I would certainly think they were a bit hard done by with the officials.

[st.sj]

did any body else notice or was it just me. About ten minutes from the end of the first half the crowd went dead and we seemed to stop playing on the pitch. Where as we were chasing when we didnt have the ball, we just let Forest keep the ball and it seemed inevitable they would score a goal. Just seemed like the energy had gone from the supporters and the team at the same time. Wierd

[Alain Perrin]

Hmm I think there were a few fifty fifties that went to us rather than them. If I were a forest fan I would certainly think they were a bit hard done by with the officials.

 

To be honest, based on recent results, if you were a Forest fan you'd be on suicide watch.

[Saint_clark]

did any body else notice or was it just me. About ten minutes from the end of the first half the crowd went dead and we seemed to stop playing on the pitch. Where as we were chasing when we didnt have the ball, we just let Forest keep the ball and it seemed inevitable they would score a goal. Just seemed like the energy had gone from the supporters and the team at the same time. Wierd

 

Because half the crowd seem to bugger off 10 minutes before half time to ensure they get as much of the crap refreshments in as possible.

[st.sj]

Because half the crowd seem to bugger off 10 minutes before half time to ensure they get as much of the crap refreshments in as possible.

Did notice the crowd was disappearing, felt like the apathy had spread to the players.

[doddisalegend]

did any body else notice or was it just me. About ten minutes from the end of the first half the crowd went dead and we seemed to stop playing on the pitch. Where as we were chasing when we didnt have the ball, we just let Forest keep the ball and it seemed inevitable they would score a goal. Just seemed like the energy had gone from the supporters and the team at the same time. Wierd

 

About the time everyone starts pouring downstairs for a pie and pint?

[Saint_John]

The pictures on the OS show clear daylight (? 6 inches ?)between Kelvin and the derbyshire (pic No 15) (The Tv pictures from the other angle show that KD did not move his legs ).

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/Gallery/0,,10280~2447072,00.html

 

I have never seen Kelvin react like that (No 22), imo he KNEW there was no contact.

Also should the cheat have been send off (No 19 & 20) for raising his hand and slapping Kelvin around the face ?

[Chez]

Don't know if it was a penalty, but it deserved to be just for how fcking stupid it as from kelvin. He had two clear chances to clear easily and tried to be clever, it was like 2007 kelvin. Can't keep that up.

you're right. I thought Kelvin had got control of himself, but every now and then he loses his head and makes a poor poor decision.

 

What I would say though is fans need to get up to speed with the passing out from the back thing. At Leicester we passed it out no matter how little room there was. Both strikers pushed right up and wide, but we just passed out down the middle. At makes me nervous, but I much prefer it to the hit and hope we have had to watch for years and years. Every now and then we are going to get in trouble, but if Swansea can make it work we can to.

[Professor]

Just watched the match highlights on the Football League Show and that tw*t McLaren stated that when Derbyshire went down in the box, everybody in the stadium thought "penalty".

Well, actually, McLaren, they didn't. Your lot might well have crossed their fingers and hoped that a penalty would have been awarded, but everybody else in the stadium thought you cheating, diving bastard, Derbyshire. The referee was a damned sight closer to you and he called it right. Cheats.

Naturally, you're calling this that you should have got something more from the match because your job is on the line.

Blatant cheating such as Derbyshire's dive is blighting football and it needs action by refs, such as yesterday, to try to deal with it, but its a bigger crime when managers such as MaClaren stand in front of a TV camara telling lies to the watching public. He's not only condoning cheating, he's actively encouraging his players to do it. The sooner people like him are out of the game the better.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

Great win ...just watching vid back with Claridge interview at end where he say's everyone in stadium thought it was a penalty lol yeh ok...from where I was sitting everyone thought he was diving

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbKNP9kNRAY

 

Impossible to see from that footage as to how much contact there was but they way he went down looked very dubious. Even if Davis had touched would it have been enough to take BOTH legs from underneath him and lead to him collapsing to the ground? I doubt it. McClaren has one of those inane grins and a face you just want to slap.

[doddisalegend]

The pictures on the OS show clear daylight (? 6 inches ?)between Kelvin and the derbyshire (pic No 15) (The Tv pictures from the other angle show that KD did not move his legs ).

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/Gallery/0,,10280~2447072,00.html

 

I have never seen Kelvin react like that (No 22), imo he KNEW there was no contact.

Also should the cheat have been send off (No 19 & 20) for raising his hand and slapping Kelvin around the face ?

 

Have to say from the Chapel my first thought was "Kelvin you muppet". Got caught on the ball and then looked like he made a rash lunge to recover the situation. Seeing the highlights last night though changed my mind.

[doddisalegend]

you're right. I thought Kelvin had got control of himself, but every now and then he loses his head and makes a poor poor decision.

 

What I would say though is fans need to get up to speed with the passing out from the back thing. At Leicester we passed it out no matter how little room there was. Both strikers pushed right up and wide, but we just passed out down the middle. At makes me nervous, but I much prefer it to the hit and hope we have had to watch for years and years. Every now and then we are going to get in trouble, but if Swansea can make it work we can to.

 

I don't mind passing out from the back it's when the defence are flaffing around in front of goal passing acrooss the face of goal. One mistake in that area can be dangerous.

[Wes Tender]

TBF the lino put his flag up straight away indicating that he thought it was a dive, so it was both officials. Were they both wrong Shteve??

 

I'm block 42 Northam, right behind the right hand goal post and high enough up to have a really good view. Had Derbyshire gone down arse over elbow, he might have got some benefit of the doubt, as it could have looked a bit less like a dive. But most of the Northam edge closest to the incident and most of the Itchen closest will have seen it for what it was; a really blatant dive. Simulation is a good word for it, as it looked like the acting of somebody schooled in amateur dramatics. But because McClaren had the temerity to mention the incident in the post match interview as justification for Forest's loss of at least one point and the nerve to insist that "everybody" in the stadium would have thought that a penatly was justified, he has made himself look a prize pr*ck. Nothing new there then.

[Hedgehog]

With the penalty shout, the lino had his flag up and was indicating a dive.

[Wes Tender]

Hmm I think there were a few fifty fifties that went to us rather than them. If I were a forest fan I would certainly think they were a bit hard done by with the officials.

 

Really? You can always tell when our fans feel that there have been a string of decisions that have gone against us unfairly; when a decision is finally given our way, there is prolonged sarcastic cheering. Did you not hear it on at least a couple of occasions?

[Saintandy666]

Is it just me or was their number 11 rather large for a Championship footballer? Had a good set piece mind.

[Appy]

Is it just me or was their number 11 rather large for a Championship footballer? Had a good set piece mind.

 

Ha, Fat Andy Reid.

[Chez]

Is it just me or was their number 11 rather large for a Championship footballer? Had a good set piece mind.

you're talking about Andy Reid right? He turned us down many years back for Charlton, better selection of pork pies I think was the reason.

[revolution saint]

you're talking about Andy Reid right? He turned us down many years back for Charlton, better selection of pork pies I think was the reason.

 

Wasn't it Spurs he turned us down for? In any case he is a fat little fella. Jan Molby could get away with it - Reid can't though.

[SNSUN]

I think somebody tweeted on deadline day that Majewski was due to sign for us, just a rumour I suspect, but I had a feeling he'd score yesterday.

 

Good win, even if it was a bit end to end. I'd take 40 3-2 wins to us over the course of the season.

 

Oh, I glanced through the Forest vs Saints fred on their forum. Some funny stuff in there.

[Junction 9]

What was Kelvin's insistence on kicking it short all about?

[Mowgli]

did any body else notice or was it just me. About ten minutes from the end of the first half the crowd went dead and we seemed to stop playing on the pitch. Where as we were chasing when we didnt have the ball, we just let Forest keep the ball and it seemed inevitable they would score a goal. Just seemed like the energy had gone from the supporters and the team at the same time. Wierd

 

No. I noticed it too. We were all over them and won a corner that the keeper petulently through away. There was some argy bargy that caused the ref to stop play and eventually book Connolly and the keeper. This was all gamesmanship from the keeper but it worked perfectly. The momentum was lost, the players eased off and the crowd went so quiet you could have heard a pin drop in the Northam. We let them back in the game and I was just about to comment on it when BAM - they scored!!

[Chez]

What was Kelvin's insistence on kicking it short all about?

that is the plan and I have to say at Leicester it worked a treat in the second half - we kept the ball continuously it allowed us dominate.

[Chez]

Wasn't it Spurs he turned us down for? In any case he is a fat little fella. Jan Molby could get away with it - Reid can't though.

you're right, it was Spurs. Was it the relegation season?

[Appy]

you're right, it was Spurs. Was it the relegation season?

 

It was indeed.

[itchen_dan]

What was Kelvin's insistence on kicking it short all about?

 

I for one love the way that we are not one dimensional and resort to pumping the ball long HOWEVER....

 

We need to know when to pass out and when not to pass out. This was demonstrated when Kelvin and Fox decided to do a 1 - 2 resorting potentially in a penalty. It was stupidly dangerous. Also, midway through the second half I looked down to the bench and Crosby was telling Kelvin to start going long towards Lamberts chest - he seemed to completely ignore this and keep passing short.

 

It's good playing short, but only when available and necessary.

[West End Saint]

Very Good win Forest can consider themselves a little unlucky not to get a point however the same was said of us away at the Foxes we played very well in patches 1st half Guly Lallana Connolly Lambo all fantastic.

 

I really like Morgan as a player but he was not at the races at fault for the 1st goal off the pace all game we have to have Cork in centre midfield & Hammond is in the form of his life.

 

Great game of football & fantastic result Lambo was brilliant not just his goals but won all his headers his 1st touch was class