Ewell Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Whatever the result today I think there can be no doubt that we are conceding too many goals. Despite the good form so far this season I hope Adkins is looking to address this situation as that is now 10 conceded in 8 matches. There will come a time when the strikers will dry up so we need to work on keeping more clean sheets. I guess Seaborne's injury may not have helped but 3 defensive changes today is a sign that there is an issue and Adkins is trying to address it. Let’s just hope he succeeds and quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 isnt it natural too concede a few more at a higher level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 havent we just been promoted..?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 In part, the midfielders don't give the full backs enough protection - both our widemen, Lallana and Guly, like to come in-field which gives the opposition plenty of space down the wings. Contributes to our fluidity going forward but makes us vulnerable defensively. Its a particular problem against conventional 4-4-2s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Conceded 5 in the last two. Scored 5 in the last two. We're scoring too many goals. Must stop now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Does it matter how many we concede as long as we score one more than them in every match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Does it matter how many we concede as long as we score one more than them in every match? Yes, it doesn't help blood pressure and sstress levels. Still, I'm sure we'll have learnt from that, including our new defenders. Think I'd prefer Cork in MF though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Despite what our endlessly forgiving fans think Im sure NA wont be happy with the goals we are conceding, but judging by his record he is pretty decent at sorting problems out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 I'm sure it'll be solved. We have played 2 pretty good attacking line ups in the last couple of games lets not forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints67 Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Apart from Fonte that was a completely new back 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Does it matter how many we concede as long as we score one more than them in every match? Surely 3 2 is a usually a better game than 1 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Apart from Fonte that was a completely new back 4. Thats true to an extent; but, with this formation/line-up, we've been gifting teams space down the flanks for a while. I didn't go today but the commentary suggested that Guly and Lallana weren't doubling up with the FBs while Forest were using the overlap v.well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Surely 3 2 is a usually a better game than 1 0 My brain says yes, but my ticker says no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 In part, the midfielders don't give the full backs enough protection - both our widemen, Lallana and Guly, like to come in-field which gives the opposition plenty of space down the wings. Spot on, that's exactly what happened today. It left Fox and Cork completely exposed and neither seemed to be able to deal with that, especially when Forest's full-backs bolstered the attack. At the same time I'm still fairly happy as long as we're able to capitalise on our own chances and take the 'score one more than you' approach. You have to give opposition teams credit as well, it's not always just because we've been defending poorly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 In part, the midfielders don't give the full backs enough protection - both our widemen, Lallana and Guly, like to come in-field which gives the opposition plenty of space down the wings. Contributes to our fluidity going forward but makes us vulnerable defensively. Its a particular problem against conventional 4-4-2s. Nut and shell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 We are conceding a few goals, but anyone who thought we'd concede the same as last season, or less, is off their rocker. We'll loose more games this year too, it's the nature of being in a higher league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 We are conceding a few goals, but anyone who thought we'd concede the same as last season, or less, is off their rocker. We'll loose more games this year too, it's the nature of being in a higher league. Talk about getting your excuses in early...... I am sure NA wont see it like that and dismiss it so easily. I think some of our tomfoolery in the transfer market over the summer is coming home to roost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Talk about getting your excuses in early...... I am sure NA wont see it like that and dismiss it so easily. I think some of our tomfoolery in the transfer market over the summer is coming home to roost. I'm not getting my excuses in early. But it looks like you're building up your ammunition ready to go full throttle when we lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 We are winning alpine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O_RLY Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Alpine you are always looking for a reaction, but lets be honest if you take 3 starters out of a regular back 4 against tough opposition its not going to be perfect is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Alpine you are always looking for a reaction, but lets be honest if you take 3 starters out of a regular back 4 against tough opposition its not going to be perfect is it? No, but that's an excuse. Apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Alpine you are always looking for a reaction, but lets be honest if you take 3 starters out of a regular back 4 against tough opposition its not going to be perfect is it? I agree. But this isnt a one match issue. There was a lead up to NA NEEDING to change 3/4 of the defence. It came to a head against Leicester in the first half. I saw issues with the defence in the Leeds game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Uwe Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Talk about getting your excuses in early...... I am sure NA wont see it like that and dismiss it so easily. I think some of our tomfoolery in the transfer market over the summer is coming home to roost. Quite. We've only won seven of our first eight games this season. I don't think you need any more proof that we have made a serious mistake over the summer to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 I agree. But this isnt a one match issue. There was a lead up to NA NEEDING to change 3/4 of the defence. It came to a head against Leicester in the first half. I saw issues with the defence in the Leeds game. We will be attacked more in this league, teams will create more chances against us, because it's a higher level. We don't have the likes of Yeovil, Wallsall, Tranmere with their ''potent'' attacks. We're up against players like Miller, Derbyshire, Zigic, Chorpa etc....a total jump in the level, anyone who didn't think we'd conceded a few more goals is expecting a little too much from this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-crinny Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Probably. but why not just enjoy the ride?!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 There was a lead up to NA NEEDING to change 3/4 of the defence. Harding, Butterfield, Richardson and Seaborne all crocked might be the reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Probably right that we are conceding too many but as long as we score more ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 In part, the midfielders don't give the full backs enough protection - both our widemen, Lallana and Guly, like to come in-field which gives the opposition plenty of space down the wings. Contributes to our fluidity going forward but makes us vulnerable defensively. Its a particular problem against conventional 4-4-2s. This is it in a nutshell. A lot of our sublime attacking play comes from Guly and Lallana being more attacking than defensive. I thought against Leeds we had the balance correct, maybe that was more to do with Leeds than ourselves though. I would prefer us to set up more defensively as I believe it is the far more practical method of achieving points. Always comparing our style to Brightons and have to admit they will bring home the points more often than not, we just expose ourselves to much. I tend to agree with Adkins that for the forwards we have, we are playing the correct system although we could be more careful of exposing the holes so often. I feel if we had a strong, pacey forward we could play an attacking game whilst being more solid defensively, but that is just conjecture. The football we are playing is superb, so I'll just wait and see where Adkins takes us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycrow Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Surely 3 2 is a usually a better game than 1 0 I'm sure if we were winning matches 1-0 instead of 3-2 people would be complaining that we're playing boring football. We're conceding more than the others in the top 6 positions. But we're also scoring more. If you want to shore up at the back, you're going to sacrifice some attacking play and not score as many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycrow Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 I agree. But this isnt a one match issue. There was a lead up to NA NEEDING to change 3/4 of the defence. It came to a head against Leicester in the first half. I saw issues with the defence in the Leeds game. So we concede 3 against the team who are favourites to win the league and lose by the odd goal. Concede 2 against the second favourites and still win by the odd goal. In the other 4 league games this season, we've only conceded 3 goals, winning all of them. All in our first year after being promoted to a higher quality division, and you think we need to change 3 of our back 4? Having a laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Did I imagine it or did KD pull his arm out of the way for the first goal as if he thought nobody was running in behind?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsmike25 Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 The same Leeds game where they had one shot on goal and then a seriously dodgy penalty? Yeah we pretty much shut Leeds out. You don't know what you're talking ababout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsmike25 Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 About even. I blame this stupid phone!* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Chappers coming on made a massive difference Hammond right? Chappers left, Lallana in the hole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 We're gonna score one more than you!!!!!!!!!! There are 2 ways to win a football match: 1. Score more goals than the opposition (ala Kevin Keegan) 2. Concede fewer goals than the opposition (ala George Graham) The first gives us exciting matches; the second, very boring ones. The style of football we play tends more towards the former (as Shurlock said). Moreover, there are some very good teams in this league with some very good forwards. It has always been clearly obvious we will concede more goals than last season. Especially so when playing teams like Leicester with the money they have spent followed by a very good Forest side where we had to change 3 of our 4 defenders due to injury. Still, it's nice to see continuity..... thanks for not disappointing us Alps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cool Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 5 wins out of 6, as Sebastian Vettel would say "Yes baby! This is what I'm talking about!" - that'll definitely do me, Schumi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 well, tbh so long as we score more than we concede I'm happy. We are never going to keep as many clean sheets in this division than league 1 anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(not THE) Kevin Moore Posted 10 September, 2011 Share Posted 10 September, 2011 Adkins knows we had defensive concerns, he signed 2 defenders... both of whom made their debuts in a makeshift back 4, missing the shield of Cork in the MF, against a team with a useful attack.... So it's likely we were looking at the solution today but not in ideal circumstances. A lot of Defenders look shakey until they've settled in, so I'll reserve judgement until I've seen them play a good few games together. Hoping to get along and see Jos in action next game so then I'll have seen him myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 11 September, 2011 Share Posted 11 September, 2011 Whatever the result today I think there can be no doubt that we are conceding too many goals. Despite the good form so far this season I hope Adkins is looking to address this situation as that is now 10 conceded in 8 matches. There will come a time when the strikers will dry up so we need to work on keeping more clean sheets. I guess Seaborne's injury may not have helped but 3 defensive changes today is a sign that there is an issue and Adkins is trying to address it. Let’s just hope he succeeds and quickly. yep, wish we more like Birmingham in 22nd place but having conceded less. This league is not about winning games, gaining points or enjoying good football but about conceding less- hang your head in shame Adkins. Talk about getting your excuses in early...... I am sure NA wont see it like that and dismiss it so easily. I think some of our tomfoolery in the transfer market over the summer is coming home to roost. Adkins needs to explain and be made to account for our poor start - his tomfoolery in the preparation for this season has lead to a disappointing start. Winning 7 out of 8 is not good enough, he can make a weak attempt at a excuse saying that defeat was away to league favorites, we were the better team for a lot of the game and we did score 2 goals, but you are right - we have come into this season unprepared and looking weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 11 September, 2011 Share Posted 11 September, 2011 Obviously, it's been a tremendous start. But, I'm not with those who say "so, what, just score one more than the oppo" If you're winning games 5-4, 7-5, 15-12 or whatever, I think you'd identify the need to tighten at the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 11 September, 2011 Author Share Posted 11 September, 2011 NickG and the rest who are having a pop. It is a concern that I am sure Adkins is addressing (especially after listening to his comments about the defence in the after match radio interview http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14773061.stm) and in no way was I having a pop at Adkins but just raising a concern and opening up a debate. Is there really any need for the childish sarcasm when people want to talk about something that perhaps you do not perceive as important? Why not open read and then close the thread without making your reactionary and childish remarks. A few of you really need to take a look at yourselves and do some growing up. This is the main reason few people want to open up threads for debate on here these days because of reactions from trolls like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 11 September, 2011 Share Posted 11 September, 2011 Adkins would be a fool not to be continually assessing, reviewing and seeking improvement all over the pitch. There is clearly room for this in defence and of course is valid topic for debate. I had concerns yesterday about the defence and am not sure about the new CB. Equally only a fool would say that our start to the season shows an unprofessional preseason (and he did say it!). Is it more likely that our forwards will dry up? Or our defence will improve (when Jaidi, Seaborne, Richardson, Harding, Butterfield return to fitness and new guy settles in?) I would love a Svenson to play alongside Fonte and am sure Adkins would too but see little to worry about so far this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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